Friday, June 5, CHRB Meeting Agenda

[rrbauer]

Here's the link:

http://www.chrb.ca.gov/board_meeting_agendas/2009_06_jun_agenda.pdf

Some items of interest:

#7. Rebates

The next two speak to the abominable condition of the horse-racing
product in California and the desire by the industry to squeeze every
penny possible from their customers' pockets. Creating more pools with
higher takeouts and more low-price payoffs with more breakage thereby
screwing the customers every step of the way.

#8. Reduce the required field-size to conduct Trifecta wagering from six (6)
to four (4).
#9. Reduce the required field-size to conduct Superfecta wagering from eight (8) to six (6).


#10. Eliminate coupled-entries thereby creating more betting interests and rewarding more owner/trainer chicanery.

You can read the rest and if you live in California (or, for that matter, if you play California races) and wish to comment contact Mike Marten. MikeM@chrb.ca.gov

[andymays]

9:30 AM PST!

[rrbauer]

9:30 AM PST!

They released the agenda and made notifications well after close-of-business Thursday night!

Guess they're trying to avoid the pre-meeting hailstorm that they got last time.

[andymays]

They released the agenda and made notifications well after close-of-business Thursday night!

Guess they're trying to avoid the pre-meeting hailstorm that they got last time.

I don't know if I can take listening to another one. Xanax please!

[lamboguy]

I don't know if I can take listening to another one. Xanax please! they found a perfect way to kill horseracing in southern california, they put that synthetic surface on all their tracks. i got to thank them for that, because i never won on a breeders cup day in my life, so i had alot of fun just watching the races on television without betting them. i have made one bet on california races this whole year, i took the free money on ZENYATTA to show. i have no idea how much money they made on my bet that day. i do know they lost plenty losing me as a regular so. california customer though.

[rwwupl]

Here's the link:

http://www.chrb.ca.gov/board_meeting_agendas/2009_06_jun_agenda.pdf

Some items of interest:

#7. Rebates

The next two speak to the abominable condition of the horse-racing
product in California and the desire by the industry to squeeze every
penny possible from their customers' pockets. Creating more pools with
higher takeouts and more low-price payoffs with more breakage thereby
screwing the customers every step of the way.

#8. Reduce the required field-size to conduct Trifecta wagering from six (6)
to four (4).
#9. Reduce the required field-size to conduct Superfecta wagering from eight (8) to six (6).


#10. Eliminate coupled-entries thereby creating more betting interests and rewarding more owner/trainer chicanery.

You can read the rest and if you live in California (or, for that matter, if you play California races) and wish to comment contact Mike Marten. MikeM@chrb.ca.gov



The CHRB Board seem to all be graduates from the Bernie Madoff School of Finance.

We need to GROW the game by allowing more people to win ,not less.

Time for a change?

[rwwupl]

I noticed that the CHRB has posted the archive list of previous meetings on their website. I had not seen it before.

I want to note a big thanks to all who had a part in bringing this about.

I have sent a thank you to Mike Marten,Public Information Officer,CHRB

rwwupl

[DeanT]

Two agenda items that HANA has sent letters to the CHRB for. A copy of the letters can be seen below.

http://blog.horseplayersassociation.org/2009/06/hana-letters-to-chrb.html

[rwwupl]

Two agenda items that HANA has sent letters to the CHRB for. A copy of the letters can be seen below.

http://blog.horseplayersassociation.org/2009/06/hana-letters-to-chrb.html

Thanks to HANA for being active and letting the CHRB know that the customers CARE.

I hope the CHRB will do the same and act with their customers interests as a priority.

The CHRB track record does not inspire much hope for customer interests

rwwupl

[andymays]

I had to turn it off part of the way through. Too depressing. At least when Jamgotchians there we have fireworks!

[InsideThePylons-MW]

The incompetence of the CHRB board is just incredible.

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Incredible stuff going on at the meeting.

The Scientific Games representative seems to be as incompetent as the CHRB board.

or he's just speaking double talk because he knows the board has no idea about anything regarding tote specifics.
.

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Now Billy Koch is presenting an idea that makes him look as if he is trying to out-incompetent the incompetents.

This stuff is just incredible!

[so.cal.fan]

What was the outcome of the meeting?

[InsideThePylons-MW]

What was the outcome of the meeting?

reduce days at hol

allow signal to rebaters, but already are doing so...just going to make it official

don't worry about tote problems because nobody understands them...including scientific games

reduce tri's to 4 horse min fields and sup's to 6 horse min fields

cheer on Billy Koch and his new reality show + wager

[Imriledup]

There are currently THREE days where california horse race bettors are basically sitting around twiddling their thumbs. The two dark days of Mon and Tues show all the simo centers (hol park, sa, etc) shut down for the day taking no bets from anyone and they don't even open for business on weds to take belmont and whatnut. Three days of relaxing for Calif's horseplayers.

[David-LV]

reduce days at hol

allow signal to rebaters, but already are doing so...just going to make it official

don't worry about tote problems because nobody understands them...including scientific games

reduce tri's to 4 horse min fields and sup's to 6 horse min fields

cheer on Billy Koch and his new reality show + wager


Wow !!

I can't wait to bet those 4 horse tri's and dime supers on 6 horse races.

Way to go CHRB, another step on the road to complete burial of California racing.

What a joke these egg heads are.:lol: :lol:

_______
David-LV

[Indulto]

Worst meeting I ever listened to or read a transcript from. The CHRB is a disgrace.

The state should clean house there with the possible exception of Moss. Does Bo Derek ever speak at these meetings?

Since Santa Anita didn't settle with SCOTWIN, does that mean Calif. OTB players are better than on-track players? ;)

[so.cal.fan]

Gosh you guys.....this is really sad.
:( :( :(
I started going to the races almost full time in 1964 at Hollywood Park.
I met my husband of 44 years there.
While obviously I haven't cared much for HP the last several years....it's sad to think it's down to this.
I really think our Gov. of Calif. doesn't like racing and they are going to run it out of business.
I hope I'm wrong. Gosh, I hope I'm wrong.
:( :( :(

[Imriledup]

California racing


Rock. Bottom.

[Indulto]

Gosh you guys.....this is really sad.
:( :( :(
I started going to the races almost full time in 1964 at Hollywood Park.
I met my husband of 44 years there.
While obviously I haven't cared much for HP the last several years....it's sad to think it's down to this.
I really think our Gov. of Calif. doesn't like racing and they are going to run it out of business.
I hope I'm wrong. Gosh, I hope I'm wrong.
:( :( :(scf,
I agree that HOL under management prior to CDI was still a place worth saving. If not for Lava Man, we would have arrived where we are sooner. He was the only aspect of racing I ever heard discussed off the track.

The track was the only reason anyone I met who didn't live there would ever go to Inglewood. I have yet to hear someone say they would go there to pay upscale prices. That's going to take a lot more development that just the HOL parcel. What will revenues be until then?

No track that isn't supported by its own community has a future, anyway.

Arcadia et al, is different, but how is the TOC different from the CHRB? Has Drew Couto scheduled any meetings with Fred Pope yet? ;) If SA stays synthetic, it will be history as well. Aren't the same horsemen that persuaded Stronach to install synthetic (both times) members of the TOC? And now they want to run the place?:faint:

The question is: Will the eventual beneficiary of the So Cal P6 business be NYRA, CDI, or some group really forward thinking?

[so.cal.fan]

Of course we are hoping some horsemen like Marty Wygod buy the place.
Who knows?
I agree with you on the synthetic situation.

[Indulto]

I (http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/thoroughbred-owners-of-california-to-bid-on-santa-anita/) posted this link in another thread, but the following comment belongs here:

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/thoroughbred-owners-of-california-to-bid-on-santa-anita/ (http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/thoroughbred-owners-of-california-to-bid-on-santa-anita/)
THOROUGHBRED OWNERS OF CALIFORNIA TO BID ON SANTA ANITA
By Ray Paulick June 3, 2009

… COMMENTS …
Barry Irwin (http://www.valorific.com/) Says:
June 4th, 2009 at 3:34 pm (http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/thoroughbred-owners-of-california-to-bid-on-santa-anita/#comment-12922#comment-12922)

California racing can only be rescued by a group of private owners dedicated to the idea that racing is a sport and can only survive as a sport, not a host for slots or casino gambling.

If a group of investors that are dedicated to preserving racing at a high level can form a company to buy Santa Anita, obtain the dates of Hollywood Park and buy Del Mar in a deal that would simultaneously kick the State’s ass completely out of the racing game in exchange for the sale of Del Mar and a flat fee revenue stream, it will be able to move forward.

The enemy of racing is the State of California. The CHRB has done more harm to racing than Frank Stronach, and that is a mouthful.

When a State is as broke as California, any deal will be looked at seriously. Who knows, they might like the idea of losing the CHRB in exchange for a revenue stream.

[plainolebill]

Gosh you guys.....this is really sad.
:( :( :(
I started going to the races almost full time in 1964 at Hollywood Park.
I met my husband of 44 years there.
While obviously I haven't cared much for HP the last several years....it's sad to think it's down to this.
I really think our Gov. of Calif. doesn't like racing and they are going to run it out of business.
I hope I'm wrong. Gosh, I hope I'm wrong.
:( :( :(

It is sad, it's hard to believe how fouled up things are now.

[rwwupl]

From Indulto post above and Ray Paulick Report:

COMMENTS …
Barry Irwin Says:
June 4th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

California racing can only be rescued by a group of private owners dedicated to the idea that racing is a sport and can only survive as a sport, not a host for slots or casino gambling.

If a group of investors that are dedicated to preserving racing at a high level can form a company to buy Santa Anita, obtain the dates of Hollywood Park and buy Del Mar in a deal that would simultaneously kick the State’s ass completely out of the racing game in exchange for the sale of Del Mar and a flat fee revenue stream, it will be able to move forward.

The enemy of racing is the State of California. The CHRB has done more harm to racing than Frank Stronach, and that is a mouthful.

When a State is as broke as California, any deal will be looked at seriously. Who knows, they might like the idea of losing the CHRB in exchange for a revenue stream.


The truth has been spoken. Our California game is broken.

Barry Irwin :ThmbUp:

The CHRB is a rubber stamp for the interest of the State and the Race Tracks.

The CHRB completly avoids what the customers want in favor of their own,and against their sworn mission to protect the bettor.

Four horse Trifecta's and six horse supers is a license for larceny. We will have a further epidemic of the favorite or some horse designated to be off the board.

The public perceives that the betting process is tainted now, and the CHRB throws bullets into the fire.

The real job at hand for the CHRB is to do everything it can to change the perception that there is a lack of integrity in the bet process. The CHRB is out of touch with what the customers demand.

Help!!!

[Imriledup]

I vote to put Barry Irwin in charge of California racing. Hopefully he'll take the job.

[andymays]

I vote to put Barry Irwin in charge of California racing. Hopefully he'll take the job.


I 2nd the motion. Jamgotchian there too. Stein will have Jamgotchian on his radio show tomorrow.

http://www.am830klaa.com/index.htm

[Indulto]

From Indulto post above and Ray Paulick Report:COMMENTS …
Barry Irwin Says:
June 4th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

California racing can only be rescued by a group of private owners dedicated to the idea that racing is a sport and can only survive as a sport, not a host for slots or casino gambling.

If a group of investors that are dedicated to preserving racing at a high level can form a company to buy Santa Anita, obtain the dates of Hollywood Park and buy Del Mar in a deal that would simultaneously kick the State’s ass completely out of the racing game in exchange for the sale of Del Mar and a flat fee revenue stream, it will be able to move forward.

The enemy of racing is the State of California. The CHRB has done more harm to racing than Frank Stronach, and that is a mouthful.

When a State is as broke as California, any deal will be looked at seriously. Who knows, they might like the idea of losing the CHRB in exchange for a revenue stream.The truth has been spoken. Our California game is broken.

Barry Irwin :ThmbUp:

The CHRB is a rubber stamp for the interest of the State and the Race Tracks.

The CHRB completly avoids what the customers want in favor of their own,and against their sworn mission to protect the bettor.

Four horse Trifecta's and six horse supers is a license for larceny. We will have a further epidemic of the favorite or some horse designated to be off the board.

The public perceives that the betting process is tainted now, and the CHRB throws bullets into the fire.

The real job at hand for the CHRB is to do everything it can to change the perception that there is a lack of integrity in the bet process. The CHRB is out of touch with what the customers demand.

Help!!!rw,
My impression is that the CHRB is more of a rubber stamp for the TOC than the tracks and ADWs, and I doubt State Senator Yee would agree it is serving the State's interests.

One thing that was very clear yesterday is that they need a horseplayer on that board just to make sure those at the top actually discuss and understand the customer's viewpoint and at most one horseman to ensure their perspective is represented, but it should not be horsemen licensing and regulating horsemen, especially if the TOC gets control of SA. The rest of the positions should be paid appointees with staggered term limits possibly one each chosen by the State Assembly, State Senate, and State Dept. of Agriculture, but subject to removal by the Governor.

Barry Irwin is a very shrewd observer of the game. He might make and excellent national racing commissioner if he were willing to divest his owner/breeder holdings, but he is still a horseman and i would guess has his own motive(s) for his comment.