Obama acting like royalty

[Warren Henry]

This goof ran his campaign talking about all the problems we have and how he would change them. He tries to appeal to the "downtrodden" by bashing the behavior of the "well off" He rails against the business fat cats and how they behave. One of his favorite phrases seems to be "shared sacrifices".

But, at the same time, he is acting like he was appointed KING. Jetting up to NY for fine dining and a Broadway show was really bad symbolism.

IMO, this is typical lefty behavior. The pain of his policies is reserved for everyone else, but he is immune.

How long before everyone except the hardcore left realizes that they have been suckered.

[ArlJim78]

for his date night he could have popped some jiffy pop and rented some movies.
and saved the taxpayers about $70,000.

but like you say, when you're royalty you make your own rules. saving the environment and sacrificing is for suckers like you and I, not for the government class.

[mostpost]

What a surprise! As soon as I heard that Obama was taking Michelle to New York to see a play, I knew the righties here would be all over it. They would ignore the many trips GWB took to Crawford. They would forget how many times Reagan traveled to his ranch in California. Obama would be the first president in history to take a day off and relax. Did GWB pay for any of his trips to Crawford? Did Reagan fly coach to California?

Now someone is going to reply. (Whiney voice) "Why does it always come back to Bush"? (End whiney voice). Believe me I don't care if Bush flies to Crawford. I would have been just as happy if he never left. Any President needs time to relax. Many other Presidents have traveled to personal functions and it has always been on the taxpayers dime, because the President has to take his office with him.

Obama has been in office four and a half months. In that time, tell me what you have done to sacrifice. A favorite sporting event you skipped?

How much your wife enjoys an evening with Blockbuster and Jiffy Pop?

[riskman]

This administration has dealt you a bad hand. From the bottom of the deck…these charlatans have slipped you some nasty cards. Fold ’em. Get up from the table before they clean you , your children and your grandchildren out.

[Lefty]

I'ver never seen a liberal yet that practices what he preaches. Obama is no exception.

[ArlJim78]

What a surprise! As soon as I heard that Obama was taking Michelle to New York to see a play, I knew the righties here would be all over it. They would ignore the many trips GWB took to Crawford. They would forget how many times Reagan traveled to his ranch in California. Obama would be the first president in history to take a day off and relax. Did GWB pay for any of his trips to Crawford? Did Reagan fly coach to California?

Now someone is going to reply. (Whiney voice) "Why does it always come back to Bush"? (End whiney voice). Believe me I don't care if Bush flies to Crawford. I would have been just as happy if he never left. Any President needs time to relax. Many other Presidents have traveled to personal functions and it has always been on the taxpayers dime, because the President has to take his office with him.

Obama has been in office four and a half months. In that time, tell me what you have done to sacrifice. A favorite sporting event you skipped?

How much your wife enjoys an evening with Blockbuster and Jiffy Pop?
Bush and Reagan going to the ranch was for a vacation. are you saying Obama will not be taking vacations? I don't remember any presidential "date nights" under other presidents. I know he came to Chicago with Michelle for Valentines day only a few weeks after he was in office.

Obama can't have it both ways. He has been spreading around lots of climatic doom and gloom over global warming. He says we must sacrifice, turn down our thermostats, drive smaller lighter cars, pay more for gas and electricity to promote green jobs and reduce carbon emmisions because if we don't it will be catastrophic. He says he wants to cut the deficit, that we can't live on a credit card anymore.

these are HIS policies, HIS positions. so yes I'm calling him out as a hypocrite when he jets off to New York for a date. If he really feels that the polar ice caps are going to melt if we don't reduce carbon emmisions, then what kind of example is he setting? He was the one hyperventilating when the auto CEO's flew to Washington on corporate jets for a BUSINESS meeting. He shamed them into driving for the next meeting. Why didn't Obama drive to New York for his date? why does his auto-team fly out to Detroit for meetings? hmmm?

Its alway the same message from liberals. Its always others that have to ammend their lifestyles. Gore also lives extravagantly just like all the other enviro-hypocrits.

not to mention his non-stop fundraising trips, TV appearances, golfing, etc.

[wisconsin]

Remember the AF1 fly-by over NYC? Must have been scouting out the night life for the golden boy.

The media does their part by throwing this whole night out thing in our face. I'm sorry, but $70k?

[boxcar]

What a surprise! As soon as I heard that Obama was taking Michelle to New York to see a play, I knew the righties here would be all over it. They would ignore the many trips GWB took to Crawford. They would forget how many times Reagan traveled to his ranch in California. Obama would be the first president in history to take a day off and relax. Did GWB pay for any of his trips to Crawford? Did Reagan fly coach to California?

Now someone is going to reply. (Whiney voice) "Why does it always come back to Bush"? (End whiney voice). Believe me I don't care if Bush flies to Crawford. I would have been just as happy if he never left. Any President needs time to relax. Many other Presidents have traveled to personal functions and it has always been on the taxpayers dime, because the President has to take his office with him.

Obama has been in office four and a half months. In that time, tell me what you have done to sacrifice. A favorite sporting event you skipped?

How much your wife enjoys an evening with Blockbuster and Jiffy Pop?


Here's a novel idea, MP: Why shouldn't the leader of the entire Free World and this nation set the example? The better question would have been, "What has BO done to show Americans what sacrifice is really all about?"
He's just another two-bit, cheap, empty-headed hypocrite who talks the talk well (providing the sacred teleprompter is in front of him, of course, and doesn't glitch) but won't walk his own talk. God forbid!

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

I seem to remember that Mostpost is a retired postal worker which means that he has lived and is now living off the gov'mints dime. Judge all his comments by what side his bread is buttered on.

[The Judge]

the President of the United States went to New York to watch play. This is truly sad. A distance of 205 miles.

Hell bush took a MILITARY JET got a fighter pilots uniform that he only wore once and landed on a military AIR CRAFT CARRIER and took and train load of pictures, and immediately started to tell lies to the troops and to you and me. Remember "Mission Accomplished".

[jballscalls]

Obama could cure cancer and some of the guys on here would scream about something. However bush could have (and did) prevent any terrorist attacks after 9/11 and some of the guys on here would still bash him for everything under the sun.

my favorite game to play is to read who the poster is first and guess what side of the opinion they will be on. So far on reading about 60 posts today, Tom was the only one who i missed on one.

[The Judge]

Well Mrs. Lincoln aside from that "how did you like the play". After 9/11 no more attacks. Whats this the good dog law "one free bite".

Before it couldn't be stopped but after Bush got tough it could be stopped. I think we have been lucky.

[boxcar]

the President of the United States went to New York to watch play. This is truly sad. A distance of 205 miles.

Hell bush took a MILITARY JET got a fighter pilots uniform that he only wore once and landed on a military AIR CRAFT CARRIER and took and train load of pictures, and immediately started to tell lies to the troops and to you and me. Remember "Mission Accomplished".

You really don't want to see that BO is a hypocrite, do you? You'd much prefer to stumble around in your darkness. BO is the one preaching "sacrifice" to the American people. But what is good for us peons is clearly not good for the elite, is it?

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Obama could cure cancer and some of the guys on here would scream about something.

BO, without his handlers, couldn't find his rear end with both hands cuffed behind him, nor can he put two coherent sentences together without a working teleprompter. Find a cure for cancer, indeed! :bang: :bang:

Boxcar

[The Judge]

when can the President of the United States go to a play in New York?

Tell us "oh wise one" when can the elected President of the United States leave Washington D.C.? Can we get a date and time.

You know you sound pathetic in your "darkness". This whole discussion is sad the President is somehow disrespecting the people who voted him into office by attending a play in New York City.

Do you see why "you lost" because whats important to most Americans you can't see.

Don't look now but he is on his way to France. What do you have to say about that? Thats right there is already a post on that "he didn't invite the queen of England to France". See what I mean by pathetic.

[Warren Henry]

My problem with the current Pres is that he talks one way and behaves another. I don't have a problem with him going out for an occasional "date" with his wife. I just wonder when he is EVER going to stay home.

[Marshall Bennett]

My problem isn't with the $70,000 he spends on a date with Michelle , but the trillions he's spending elsewhere . If he's put a lid on that , I'd be willing to let him go on a date every night . Stay out day & night if he wants , we'd be so much the better .

[boxcar]

[QUOTE=The Judge]when can the President of the United States go to a play in New York?

Tell us "oh wise one" when can the elected President of the United States leave Washington D.C.? Can we get a date and time.?

Sure you can. It's very simple, even for simpletons. If he wants to go out and play and get a little recreation at taxpayers' expense, he should learn to keep his big yap shut about us peons being willing, ready and able to offer up our sacrifices while he does it. Got it now? (I doubt it!) :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[The Judge]

the nerve of you the President is a hypocrite, well simpleton maybe you can understand something so simple as the President of the United States doesn't need a consensus of the right wing to go to New York. Those who put him into office are glad he went. He can go anywhere in these United States anytime he wants too anytime he wants too and there is nothing you can do because you are a loser you lost. Your are on the wrong team your team didn't make the payoffs.

See how ridicules this is and how you sound. This is par for the course, by the way did he lie to the troops while he was in New York. You are a silly person

"Mission accomplished" what a lie that was.

[mostpost]

I seem to remember that Mostpost is a retired postal worker which means that he has lived and is now living off the gov'mints dime. Judge all his comments by what side his bread is buttered on.

Question: How do you know I'm a retired postal worker? Answer: Because I told you. Reason: I thought it was important that people here have a context for my remarks.

As far as "Living off the gov'mints dime", my pension is a part of my benefits package. For twenty seven years I paid into that pension. (I also worked at other jobs for almost twenty years before that.) I got paid a salary and benefits for doing a job. Of course we know that you conservatives think that nobody works except you.

[Lefty]

No, he doesn't need permission, but maybe the voters will remember. You know, the ones he said will have to make sacrifices. Maybe it's you, Judge, that is ridiculous, when you condone such actions.
And, you just can't help yourself, every conversation, you have to drag in Bush. Do you want a fact, Jusge? The Mission Accomplished sign was put up by military personell on that aircraft carrier. We had just taken Iraq. When the tertorists rushed in to try and take Iraq back, It truly made GW, prescient.
Judge, can you tell me how Obama's policies can make us all better? Do you relish the conversion to Socialism? These questions must be hard, cause you libs won't answer.

[mostpost]

See how ridicules this is and how you sound

No, he does not see that. The word "hopeless" comes to mind.

[PaceAdvantage]

the nerve of you the President is a hypocrite, well simpleton maybe you can understand something so simple as the President of the United States doesn't need a consensus of the right wing to go to New York. Those who put him into office are glad he went. He can go anywhere in these United States anytime he wants too anytime he wants too and there is nothing you can do because you are a loser you lost. Your are on the wrong team your team didn't make the payoffs.

See how ridicules this is and how you sound. This is par for the course, by the way did he lie to the troops while he was in New York. You are a silly person

"Mission accomplished" what a lie that was.When your team lost in 2000 and 2004, it didn't stop you and your ilk from constantly criticizing the WINNING team. None of us on the WINNING team exclaimed "The nerve of you!" :lol:

See how ridiculous this is and how you sound

People are indeed odd.

[The Judge]

whats good enough for the "super rich" is good enough for me. They are the socialist the poor and the middle class are the capitalist.

[The Judge]

the right criticizing Obama I am in the wrong place. Its just that going to "New York" seems a little wried to me.

He is the President of the United States not "Toby." He doesn't need "the rights" permission to go anywhere. At least get an issue with some meat on it.

[mostpost]

And, you just can't help yourself, every conversation, you have to drag in Bush. Do you want a fact, Jusge? The Mission Accomplished sign was put up by military personell on that aircraft carrier. We had just taken Iraq. When the tertorists rushed in to try and take Iraq back, It truly made GW, prescient

The sign was made by The White House. They originally said the sign was requested by the members of the ship's crew, then said it was requested by the Navy. There is a huge difference. The "Navy" is an organization which answers to the President.

Two questions about your last sentence; one, what is a tertorist? Two; since the tertorists were not in Iraq to begin with, how could they rush in to take it back?

http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/2007-10-27/

[mostpost]

When your team lost in 2000 and 2004, it didn't stop you and your ilk from constantly criticizing the WINNING team. None of us on the WINNING team exclaimed "The nerve of you!" :lol:

See how ridiculous this is and how you sound

People are indeed odd.
A list of criticisms of Barack Obama posted here.
1. He covered up the word Jesus.
2. He didn't invite the Queen of England to a party.
3. He took his wife to New York City.
4. He attended a church they don't approve of.
5. He is not an American.

A list of criticisms of George W. Bush.
1. He ignored warnings of a terrorist attack on our soil which turned out to be the destruction of the World Trade Center.
2. He diverted our forces from a legitimate mission to punish those responsible in Afghanistan, to a personal vedetta war in Iraq.
3. He failed to give our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan the tools and support to achieve their goals.
4. He waged war on our Constitution through illegal detention, Illegal wiretapping, and illegal surveillance.
5. He "fiddled while Rome burned" in dealing with the national disaster in New Orleans.

There; five against five, you tell me which are the more important.

[ArlJim78]

A list of criticisms of Barack Obama posted here.
1. He covered up the word Jesus.
2. He didn't invite the Queen of England to a party.
3. He took his wife to New York City.
4. He attended a church they don't approve of.
5. He is not an American.

A list of criticisms of George W. Bush.
1. He ignored warnings of a terrorist attack on our soil which turned out to be the destruction of the World Trade Center.
2. He diverted our forces from a legitimate mission to punish those responsible in Afghanistan, to a personal vedetta war in Iraq.
3. He failed to give our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan the tools and support to achieve their goals.
4. He waged war on our Constitution through illegal detention, Illegal wiretapping, and illegal surveillance.
5. He "fiddled while Rome burned" in dealing with the national disaster in New Orleans.

There; five against five, you tell me which are the more important.
thats a very dishonest portrayal of the issues that have been brought up by the right, and I'm pretty sure you know it is. those are not the biggest issues that have been brought up by the Right.

[Lefty]

so mosty, you never made a typo? I'm working on a keyboard with most of the letters rubbed off. When will you defend Obama's policies? Tell me how spending all this money and taking over private companies and taxing people on their healthcare will help. I don't give a flip who made the sign, that's just what I heard. If it's wrong, doesn't matter. We took Iraq, Terrorists, rushed in to take it back. Bush was right and you can't stand it. So now you must defend obama and his moronic policies, if you can.

[Lefty]

judge, without class envy i do blve the left would be mostly speechless. So people who work hard, take risks, create jobs and pay the bulk of the taxes, are socialists?
Wow. I can't use the words i'm thinking right now. Tos, ya know...

[mostpost]

thats a very dishonest portrayal of the issues that have been brought up by the right, and I'm pretty sure you know it is. those are not the biggest issues that have been brought up by the Right.

The point I was making was that many of the issues Bush was criticized for were substantive.

Ok here are some more criticisms of Obama posted here by the Right.
1.He promised to get us out of Iraq and we are still there. (Ignoring the fact that he has only been in office four months and you don't just pack up an army over the weekend.)
2. He is "Socialising" the economy by taking over the auto industry. ( In reality, the government was forced, very reluctantly, to take a temporary stake in General Motors. Had it failed to do so the consequences would have been disastrous in terms of lost jobs and lost revenue to the government.
3. He is spending us into bankruptcy. (Again ignoring the fact that the economy was in a tailspin begun in the years of the Bush Presidency. It was necessary to spend money on projects to get people working again. Projects which were necessary, like roads, bridges and schools. Projects that would have long term positive effect on the economy, like wind and solar power, or health care. These are the things, along with just wages, that stimulate an economy. Tax cuts, especially for the rich, DO NOT END RECESSIONS

[Lefty]

musty, i mean mosty, you kinda left out he has been criticized for having terrorists and racist preachers as close friends. You left out his close ties to Acorn, an organization that is being investigated in 14 states. You left out the big srimulus pkg, and most of it doesn't kick in for a couple yrs but we just had to have it right away!. You left out that we criticized him for taking over private companies, giving unions ownership in private companies and telling them where they can hold business meetings, that they haft to get rid of their private jets and who can be or not be a CEO. Also you left out he has been criticized for promising socialized healthcare and to help pay for it he will tax out private healthcare as income. You didn't criticize him for floating a trial balloon on the VAT tax. Lots of substance to criticize him on.

Now Bush. You forgot to mention he kept your libera ass safe for 7 yrs and nobody who isn't a terrorist or isn't associated with terrorists can claim they had any rights violated. And terrorists don't have rights.
You just plumb forgot a lot of things. OR did you? And there's prob typos in this, so sue me.

[Lefty]

JFK, cut taxes. It worked. Reagan cut taxes. It worked. GW cut taxes it worked. It always works, but liberals just can't stand it. They holler class envy, and when I say I pd less taxes under Bush than Clinton, and I'm far from rich they dismiss it with such anger. So puhleese, don't tell me only the rich get tax breaks and that tax cutsadon't end reccessions. My name's not Peggy and i'm not taken in by liberal lies.

[ArlJim78]

times are tough...


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[mostpost]

musty, i mean mosty, you kinda left out he has been criticized for having terrorists and racist preachers as close friends. You left out his close ties to Acorn, an organization that is being investigated in 14 states. You left out the big srimulus pkg, and most of it doesn't kick in for a couple yrs but we just had to have it right away!. You left out that we criticized him for taking over private companies, giving unions ownership in private companies and telling them where they can hold business meetings, that they haft to get rid of their private jets and who can be or not be a CEO. Also you left out he has been criticized for promising socialized healthcare and to help pay for it he will tax out private healthcare as income. You didn't criticize him for floating a trial balloon on the VAT tax. Lots of substance to criticize him on.

Now Bush. You forgot to mention he kept your libera ass safe for 7 yrs and nobody who isn't a terrorist or isn't associated with terrorists can claim they had any rights violated. And terrorists don't have rights.
You just plumb forgot a lot of things. OR did you? And there's prob typos in this, so sue me.

See my post #31 which was probably posted at about the time you were writing yours above. And by the way it was John McCain who wanted to tax healthcare as income.

[boxcar]

The point I was making was that many of the issues Bush was criticized for were substantive.

Ok here are some more criticisms of Obama posted here by the Right.
1.He promised to get us out of Iraq and we are still there. (Ignoring the fact that he has only been in office four months and you don't just pack up an army over the weekend.)
2. He is "Socialising" the economy by taking over the auto industry. ( In reality, the government was forced, very reluctantly, to take a temporary stake in General Motors. Had it failed to do so the consequences would have been disastrous in terms of lost jobs and lost revenue to the government.
3. He is spending us into bankruptcy. (Again ignoring the fact that the economy was in a tailspin begun in the years of the Bush Presidency. It was necessary to spend money on projects to get people working again. Projects which were necessary, like roads, bridges and schools. Projects that would have long term positive effect on the economy, like wind and solar power, or health care. These are the things, along with just wages, that stimulate an economy. Tax cuts, especially for the rich, DO NOT END RECESSIONS

You would have done better to have stated: A nation cannot be made to prosper with unbridled spending and taxation.

And your crap about GM is laughable. This was the company that was too big to fail, remember? Remember what Moron Pelosi said about bankruptcy "not being an option"? What happened, eh? Isn't filing chapter 11 "failing"?
Here's a prediction. Now that the feds have their death grip on the auto industry, they will NEVER LET GO!!!!! GM will never become UNnationalized! You can take this statement to the bank.

And the trillions spent to build roads, bridges, etc.. -- are you mad!? Those programs, if they ever come to past, won't happen for YEARS, so what is that plan going to do for the economy now!? How is that going to help the little guy NOW!? How far is that 13 extra bucks per week in everyone's paycheck going to stimulate the economy? That kind of obscene amount of money is really going to increase everyone's disposable income really significantly, isn't it? :bang:

Has anyone ever told you that you make a lousy apologist for this empty-headed, Marxist loser we have in the WH?

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

The point I was making was that many of the issues Bush was criticized for were substantive.

Ok here are some more criticisms of Obama posted here by the Right.
1.He promised to get us out of Iraq and we are still there. (Ignoring the fact that he has only been in office four months and you don't just pack up an army over the weekend.)
This should be a criticism from the left, if they were honest. the right points this out because of the hypocrisy.

2. He is "Socialising" the economy by taking over the auto industry. ( In reality, the government was forced, very reluctantly, to take a temporary stake in General Motors. Had it failed to do so the consequences would have been disastrous in terms of lost jobs and lost revenue to the government.

Not true at all, it would have been painful but the company would have had a chance. Now its become another zombie company destined to fail. He wasn't forced to take a temporary stake in GM. That was his choice to protect the UAW. this is only one part of his move towards socialism. There is nothing temporary about our stake in GM.

3. He is spending us into bankruptcy. (Again ignoring the fact that the economy was in a tailspin begun in the years of the Bush Presidency. It was necessary to spend money on projects to get people working again. Projects which were necessary, like roads, bridges and schools. Projects that would have long term positive effect on the economy, like wind and solar power, or health care. These are the things, along with just wages, that stimulate an economy. Tax cuts, especially for the rich, DO NOT END RECESSIONS

No, but they work better than tax increases on everyone.
Yes there is a big problem and he has made it worse. the stimulus has done nothing positive, in fact not much of it has been spent this year. Have you seen any evidence of anyone going back to work because of the stimulus? It has actually cost us jobs because it has touched off some protectionism. Wind and solar are not going to save the economy or be a source of many new jobs. Healthcare is another costly debacle. He says it will save us money but no one in their right mind believes that. Some tax cuts might be helpful, like capital gains, but you're right, we really can't afford them now. What we do need to do is cut spending and save. When you take in less money, you need to cut, not grow your spending to ridiculous levels.


see above.

[newtothegame]

the right criticizing Obama I am in the wrong place. Its just that going to "New York" seems a little wried to me.

He is the President of the United States not "Toby." He doesn't need "the rights" permission to go anywhere. At least get an issue with some meat on it.


"A" typical lib.....now we bring race into the conversation...geeze...who would of known???:bang:

[mostpost]

JFK, cut taxes. It worked. Reagan cut taxes. It worked. GW cut taxes it worked. It always works, but liberals just can't stand it. They holler class envy, and when I say I pd less taxes under Bush than Clinton, and I'm far from rich they dismiss it with such anger. So puhleese, don't tell me only the rich get tax breaks and that tax cutsadon't end reccessions. My name's not Peggy and i'm not taken in by liberal lies.

In order to see if tax cuts actually do end recessions I made the following table. Furst, I went to wikipedia and found a list of U.S. recessions. Then I looked up the top marginal tax rates for the years before during and after those events.

[mostpost]

So sorry that turned out really bad formatwise :blush: :blush:

To explain the numbers in each box, the first number is the year, the number in parentheses is the top marginal tax rate for that year, and the last number (the number not in parentheses) is the income level at which that rate begins.

Things to notice: only in 1945-46, and the early 80's did the end of a recession coincide with a tax cut. You might also say the same about the Bush years recession, but that recovery was very shallow and short lived.

Notice also that the tax rate went up steadily from the end of the great depression and yet there was a steady recovery (with the exception of 37-38 through the end of WWII.

Also, Clinton raised taxes, which led to the boom of the 90's.

Maybe it's not about taxes, but the policies of the government. I was going to say the intelligence of the president but......

[dav4463]

The people that voted for him are fascinated by celebrities. He is only doing what a celebrity should do. The downtrodden who idolize celebrities will be watching his every move and wishing they could be like him. They love the fact that he "cares" about them and they love following him and other celebrities to add some color to their mundane lives.

[Pace Cap'n]

In order to see if tax cuts actually do end recessions I made the following table. Furst, I went to wikipedia and found a list of U.S. recessions. Then I looked up the top marginal tax rates for the years before during and after those events.

What was secund?

[wisconsin]

The people that voted for him are fascinated by celebrities. He is only doing what a celebrity should do. The downtrodden who idolize celebrities will be watching his every move and wishing they could be like him. They love the fact that he "cares" about them and they love following him and other celebrities to add some color to their mundane lives.

There is the NBC special tonight where he is followed around. This is just like the fascination everyone had with Princess Di. It's wayyyyyyyyyy over the top for a President of the United States.

[Tom]

This is NBC's way of not having to cover real news.

I'm watching "I'm a Celebrity, Get me out of here!" :D

[Tom]

What was secund?

I just got that........:lol:

[mostpost]

What was secund?

I just got that........ :lol:

I'm a product of "No Child Left Behind ;)

Give me a break, guys, it took me two hours to figure out how to include that chart. And you see how well I did at that. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Lefty]

mosty, Yep John M"Cain did put out the idea of taxing healthcare BUT he was going to give a credit back.(I forget how much, and just a leetle sumpin you forgot to mention)) Now the dims and Obama who pooh poohed the idea, will do the same thing if they get their healthcare through. Only without the credit. By doing this, just about all of us with private healthcare will be forced into the public plan because we won't be able to afford the taxes.
My wife has been and is right now, undergoing a battery of tests. Wonder how long she would have to wait under a govt plan?

[mostpost]

mosty, Yep John M"Cain did put out the idea of taxing healthcare BUT he was going to give a credit back.(I forget how much, and just a leetle sumpin you forgot to mention)) Now the dims and Obama who pooh poohed the idea, will do the same thing if they get their healthcare through. Only without the credit. By doing this, just about all of us with private healthcare will be forced into the public plan because we won't be able to afford the taxes.
My wife has been and is right now, undergoing a battery of tests. Wonder how long she would have to wait under a govt plan?
I sincerely hope that Mrs. Lefty turns out to be 100% OK :) :)

[boxcar]

mosty, Yep John M"Cain did put out the idea of taxing healthcare BUT he was going to give a credit back.(I forget how much, and just a leetle sumpin you forgot to mention)) Now the dims and Obama who pooh poohed the idea, will do the same thing if they get their healthcare through. Only without the credit. By doing this, just about all of us with private healthcare will be forced into the public plan because we won't be able to afford the taxes.
My wife has been and is right now, undergoing a battery of tests. Wonder how long she would have to wait under a govt plan?

Things will get so bad here, that Americans will travel to Canada to get "timely" care.

Btw, I have asked several health care professionals I know, either professionally or personally, and not one of them have been supportive of nationalizing the industry. Not one! They believe it should remain in the private sector. Wonder why? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Lefty]

Thanks, MostPost. I hope so too.

[Tom]

Me too, Lefty.....best wishes.:ThmbUp:

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I think McCain was talking a $5,000 credit.

[Lefty]

Thanks, Tom. But guys, gals, I don't want this thread to turn into one about my wife. I was just pondering that under the Obama Healthcare plan, how long she would have to wait for the battery of tests, she's undergoing.
Yes, Tom, that jogs the old memory. $5,000. It was a terrible idea when Mcain broached it and it will be a terriblerrrrrrrr idea when Obama implements it, without the five grand tax credit.

[NJ Stinks]

The people that voted for him are fascinated by celebrities. He is only doing what a celebrity should do. The downtrodden who idolize celebrities will be watching his every move and wishing they could be like him. They love the fact that he "cares" about them and they love following him and other celebrities to add some color to their mundane lives.

If you believe the above, you are in total denial. Good luck with that, Dave.

[NJ Stinks]

I sincerely hope that Mrs. Lefty turns out to be 100% OK :) :)

Me too, Lefty. :ThmbUp:

[Lefty]

Thanks, stinks. She is home from today's tests and more to follow next 2 days. Now upward and onward. Any thoughts about how long the waiting period would be for these tests under a national healthcare plan?

[46zilzal]

Guess who owns most of the medical labs: consortia of physicians who do the old "ETKTM" (every test known to man) as often as they can of the $$$$$$$

[Lefty]

zilly, that wasn't the q, was it. My wife has had a battery of tests, all kinds. how long is the wait? That was the q.

[Tom]

If you believe the above, you are in total denial. Good luck with that, Dave.

I would tend to agree that most Obama supporters are not too bright. No offense, but most I have seen are not remotely int ouch with any issues.

[JustRalph]

NBC is Obama's mouthpiece.

He is screaming about going green for them

They make all the "Green" products that Obama is pushing.

You know..........General Electric.........

[Lefty]

They will be doing thousands of spots pushing ObamaCare. They'te gettin a nice slice of that pie, too.

[boxcar]

Guess who owns most of the medical labs: consortia of physicians who do the old "ETKTM" (every test known to man) as often as they can of the $$$$$$$

Only three of those I asked were doctors. The others were nurses of various grades, physicians' aides and even one medical office manager. This little, informal survey was unanimous. Not one wanted the industry nationalized.

Boxcar
P.S. So, I see that since it's all about $$$$, scientists who are dependent upon by grants for their livelihood, should have their integrity and motives questioned big time too, right?

[Greyfox]

Guess who owns most of the medical labs: consortia of physicians who do the old "ETKTM" (every test known to man) as often as they can of the $$$$$$$

An element of truth, in that a consortia of physicians may own some labs, in some jurisdictions is factual. To imply that the majority of physicians order
tests that are not necessary due profiteering from labs is just plain Blarney and 46Zil you know that.

In this age of law suits, most physicians order more tests than they should,
if only to cover their asses. In that respect, we can blame the system, the costs of malpractice insurance, ambulance chasing lawyers, law suits, and a greedy public.

Best wishes Lefty to you and yours. At one time or another, we'll all be in a similar position.

[The Judge]

anymore most states have slapped limits on how much you can get in malpractice claims against doctors. In California its $250,000 this is peanuts. Cut off the wrong leg its $250,000 die its $250,000. If their are 10 surviving relatives its $250,000 divided by 10 or $25,000 each.

So if doctors are still being taken to the cleaners by insurance companies its not because of greedy lawyers but because of greedy insurance companies. Same with no-fault insurance. When that went into effect did your insurance bill go down it should have. Is it down now? Smoke and mirrors once again.

[Lefty]

judge, zilly, the question is: How long will my wife have to wait for all these tests she is undergoing immediately, if we have a National Healthcare plan? You guys just answer every question but the one asked.

[46zilzal]

An element of truth, in that a consortia of physicians may own some labs, in some jurisdictions is factual. To imply that the majority of physicians order
tests that are not necessary due profiteering from labs is just plain Blarney and 46Zil you know that.


Which one of us was in the business for over 30 years? Which one is just commenting?

[Greyfox]

Which one of us was in the business for over 30 years? Which one is just commenting?
You don't have a clue what I've done for the last 30 years so let's not take that as force of argument.

In the meanwhile, this thread is supposed to be about King Obama.

[Tom]

Which one of us was in the business for over 30 years? Which one is just commenting?

We take your word for it? :D

[Greyfox]

The fallaciousness of Zil46's argument is that he empowers others on other threads. In effect, by his logic, when something about tasering comes up, he's never been a cop so his opinion is only comment. Similarly, in arguments about military his logic would have him stand down to members of this board who've done active duty in the armed services. He's caught himself in his own spiderweb here.

In the meanwhile, in Egypt Obama is being heralded as the second coming of King Tut.

[JustRalph]

The fallaciousness of Zil46's argument is that he empowers others on other threads. In effect, by his logic, when something about tasering comes up, he's never been a cop so his opinion is only comment. Similarly, in arguments about military his logic would have him stand down to members of this board who've done active duty in the armed services. He's caught himself in his own spiderweb here.

In the meanwhile, in Egypt Obama is being heralded as the second coming of King Tut.

Great post!! Spot on!!!

I would postulate that a wise short wide white guy who has had the richness of his experiences would reach
a better conclusion than an American Refugee who lives in Canada............

[Warren Henry]

Great post!! Spot on!!!

I would postulate that a wise short wide white guy who has had the richness of his experiences would reach
a better conclusion than an American Refugee who lives in Canada............

Is this a generalization, or do you have a specific wise short wide white guy in mind? :lol: :lol:

[boxcar]

Great post!! Spot on!!!

I would postulate that a wise short wide white guy who has had the richness of his experiences would reach
a better conclusion than an American Refugee who lives in Canada............

I second the motion! 46er indeed shot himself in both feet! He's loves playing the role of "expert" in fields in which he has zero experience and we're supposed to take his uninformed opinion as the gospel truth, but then turns around and glibly dismisses the opinions of those who also aren't in the position to offer expert opinions, but even worse...the opinions of those that are grounded in first hand knowledge and experience. And of course, we're castigated immediately if we do that to him with respect to the medical field. :bang: :bang:

Nice going, 46er. Smooth move, Mr. ExLax :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Tom]

Man, GF, you are gooooooood!

:lol:

[riskman]

Thanks, stinks. She is home from today's tests and more to follow next 2 days. Now upward and onward. Any thoughts about how long the waiting period would be for these tests under a national healthcare plan?

If you and your wife are covered under Medicare , you are insured under a National Healthcare Plan.

[The Judge]

The started off about "Obama acting as royalty" but it drifted into health care thats what post do; most of the time the original topic is close to running or has run its course so PA lets it go. If it changes too early thats a different story. I am not commenting on your post I am commenting on post #62 by Greyfox and only about lawyer causing the price of health care going up.

Now seeing as how you asked me a question I will answer as best I can. I don't know but it could be faster under nationalize health care could not. Doctors in the movie SICKO seemed satisfied with the speed their patients were receiving care and one even commented that with the resources that the United States could bring to bare on a national health care system it would be better then what they had. These were doctors in France, Canada, Cuba, England if things were so bad under "national health care" wouldn't the countries just change back.

Here is the list of industrialize countries with national health care.
http://alessonaday.wordpress.com/2007/06/19/sicko-list-of-commie-pinko-countries-with-universal-health-care-socialized-medicine/I found this critique of SICKO by CNN on Moore's home page its a good one and even though it contradicts some of the points Moore made theyare minor and so it may be that under a national plan care would be faster.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article.php?id=10017they
Good Luck

[cj's dad]

Which one of us was in the business for over 30 years? Which one is just commenting?

Seems that Zilly has been in a lot of places in the last 30 years:



We should be honored to have such a diverse talent and intellect on board, to wit:

the following are quotes from ZZ's posts in May of this year:

Businessman -
"Hell when I was in business I couldn't believe the things my accountant told me about ways to sneak around the laws and ONLY if you were in business for yourself".

Cameraman/Photographer -
"By actual count, I sent out over 350 and it took hunting at a Canadian Federal Government site (all of our racing is under the auspices of a federal agency the CPMA Canadian Parimutuel Agency) to find my job as a cameraman, photo finish photographer".

Traffic Engineer -
"INCREASE rail availability to all urban areas on PASSENGER dedicated lines (not sharing with freight).
Segregate big trucks from cars: do not allow them to mix at all on different roads altogether".

Employment Counselor -
Review your skills. If there are some that are viable in today's market, promote yourself. If not, go back to school and get some which could be.
Simple as that.
I changed careers at 59

Truck Driver -
Independent truckers have been hit hard on fuel and costs of their rigs. The world of truckers is unique and right out there if you cared to look for it. Drove for Allied and United Van lines for nine years during college/grad/professional school.

Boxer -
I have been, by actual count, in four fights and they were all one or two punch affairs as a dumb youth about the time I was a defensive tackle before orthopedic problems and common sense made me quit football. I never came out once on the short end of the stick

Grammerian -
safe
safer
safest
MORE safe? Ridiculous

Historian -
If one reviews the history of mankind, you will realize that these were representative of the fertile godesses of their times. Their deity representations were all female representing the fertility...

Nuclear Physicist -
yes access to many of the German physics journals of the day no doubt. NO source of fuel, no production, no reactor etc etc

Medicine -
I went through two years of residency interviews

I used to scrub in on multiple ETOPS (Elective Termination
of Pregnancy)

In reality, a fetus is not anything more than a parasite until it can function on it's own, so it is hardly a life

[Greyfox]

Seems that Zilly has been in a lot of places in the last 30 years:



We should be honored to have such a diverse talent and intellect on board, to wit:

the following are quotes from ZZ's posts in May of this year:

Businessman -
"Hell when I was in business I couldn't believe the things my accountant told me about ways to sneak around the laws and ONLY if you were in business for yourself".

Cameraman/Photographer -
"By actual count, I sent out over 350 and it took hunting at a Canadian Federal Government site (all of our racing is under the auspices of a federal agency the CPMA Canadian Parimutuel Agency) to find my job as a cameraman, photo finish photographer".

Traffic Engineer -
"INCREASE rail availability to all urban areas on PASSENGER dedicated lines (not sharing with freight).
Segregate big trucks from cars: do not allow them to mix at all on different roads altogether".

Employment Counselor -
Review your skills. If there are some that are viable in today's market, promote yourself. If not, go back to school and get some which could be.
Simple as that.
I changed careers at 59

Truck Driver -
Independent truckers have been hit hard on fuel and costs of their rigs. The world of truckers is unique and right out there if you cared to look for it. Drove for Allied and United Van lines for nine years during college/grad/professional school.

Boxer -
I have been, by actual count, in four fights and they were all one or two punch affairs as a dumb youth about the time I was a defensive tackle before orthopedic problems and common sense made me quit football. I never came out once on the short end of the stick

Grammerian -
safe
safer
safest
MORE safe? Ridiculous

Historian -
If one reviews the history of mankind, you will realize that these were representative of the fertile godesses of their times. Their deity representations were all female representing the fertility...

Nuclear Physicist -
yes access to many of the German physics journals of the day no doubt. NO source of fuel, no production, no reactor etc etc

Medicine -
I went through two years of residency interviews

I used to scrub in on multiple ETOPS (Elective Termination
of Pregnancy)

In reality, a fetus is not anything more than a parasite until it can function on it's own, so it is hardly a life

Oh my Gawd, and that was only May.
Why does Major Amos Hoople, for those of us old enough to remember, come to mind?

http://bp3.blogger.com/_7zKtDPMZ7xw/RnWclRdvAjI/AAAAAAAAAHU/RkR9pN3_As8/s400/hoople.jpg.

It wouldn't be shocking if he comes up with something "electrifying" elsewhere on the board. ;)

[dav4463]

If you believe the above, you are in total denial. Good luck with that, Dave.

How can you not see that? It's true. I mean, the guy is called a "rock star" on NBC. He goes on Leno. He's like American Idol. He brought "Camelot" back to the White House.

I ask people who voted for him what they like about him. It's always the same thing. He's cool. He's young. He's hip. He's not a stuffy old white guy. When he gives a speech, people like Oprah are out there crying like they just went to a concert, had a religious experience or went to a Tony Robbins convention or something. He's a star. He's not a president. He just knows how to mesmerize a crowd.

America is infatuated by stars and celebrities and now those same people are infatuated by Obama....not because they agree with his policies, but because he is a celebrity.

[Lefty]

People are not enamored of his policies, they just like HIM. I don't see how anyone can justify or like his policies.

[Secretariat]

While we've replaced blood inheritance (with the exception of the Bush's), essentially these guys have most of the benefits of royalty. We've come a long way from voluntary political service to service for huge corporate payoffs, if not in office, directly out of it.

[Tom]

You talking about the tit for tat Obama and the UAW have going on?
UAW management is a big business that paid for Obama and got a great deal on him.