Moderates: Buyers Remorse?

[JustRalph]

http://www.newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx?ID=48f3586e-3fb3-45b3-9baf-683e7fa77573

OBAMA: BUYER’S REMORSE
Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:33 PM

Admittedly, I was one of the moderate conservatives who was wooed by Obama during his PR campaign to become the country's next president. Sadly, even though I was still unsure of my vote until the week before the election, I know better now. I truly had no idea he would turn out to be the radical tax and spend liberal he's revealed. Since the beginning of his presidency, Obama seems more interested in making policies and decisions that grab headlines than those in the best interests of the country. The announcement of his whopping $3 trillion budget, trailing the $800 billion bank bailout, was shocking and yet the media seemed to rally around him. The president wants to do everything at one time, national healthcare, economy, taxes (wealth redistribution), clean energy, infrastructure, education and more. He acts very king-like, expecting Congress to endorse everything he floats their way, but his high octane PR strategy--loaded with smiles and good oratory may be fading.

Mr. Obama spends money like its coming out of his own piggy bank and expects Congress to rubber stamp his agenda at every turn, which they have been doing except when it came to the closing of Guantanamo Bay prison. This is when the pie in the sky headline grabbing Obama style of governing met reality. Mr. Obama asked Congress for $80 million to build a new prison (it's just more money to pile on the ginormous debt) but they paused, scratched their heads and couldn't just go along with this brazen request without more details from King Obama. Even more hilarious was when the administration said it would just relocate these terrorists to state prisons but governors stopped that bad idea --- "not in my back yard." Even FBI Director Mueller nixed the idea as highly risky because terrorists could easily plot attacks on the US from within prison, recruiting other terrorists, organizing, fundraising etc.

more from the idiot at the link

[ArlJim78]

at least this person finally got it and has the guts to admit it.
many of the "moderate conservatives" are still in denial.
still mesmorized by that cool confidence. they're either dopes or cowards.

[Tom]

The repubs are going nowhere until they shake off the fools like Powell, Arnold, the RNC token....stop all this talk about a big tent and go back to principals. Mimicking the dems will be their death. If people want to vote to for leftist socialist, they will go to the pros, not the copycats.

Frankly, we need three parties, IMHO, so that no one can ever dominate. We saw how unsuccessful that was when it was the repubs, and we are reliving the failure with dems. We need more voices so that alliances can be formed over key issues, not party concerns.

[JustRalph]

Rush hears from another idiot.........

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052809/content/01125111.guest.html

I don't get to listen to Rush much but I check his website from time to time.

This caller just happens to fall into this thread............

You Were Warned: Obama Election Didn't Erase Race/Class Warfare
May 28, 2009
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RUSH: Apple Valley, California. Hi Chuck, great to have you on the EIB Network.

CALLER: Yes, hi Rush, I just wanted to call. You're probably not happy about this, but I voted for Obama and largely based on the race issue. I thought that he might be somebody that would help deal with the elephant in the room. If we don't get this race thing under control at some point, this country is gone. So I voted for him on the race issue thinking that he would help bring us back in. I thought his speech with Reverend Wright was excellent: Reverend Wright I understand where he came from, from his point in time. They were an oppressed minority and I thought that Obama would be helpful in bringing this country together. But after his meeting with Lula especially, and I saw, you know, he was beside himself, he was practically orgasmic with, you know, his happiness that Lula said that the problems in the world were white people with blue eyes, and it just opened my eyes to really what a community organizer is. I mean, he was not in community trying to bring businesses and whatever. He was signing signatures, trying to get more government into the community. And I see him more on the Latin level of taking over -

RUSH: Let me ask you a question out there, Chuck.

CALLER: Yes.

RUSH: Would you describe yourself as a regular listener to this program?

CALLER: Well, I'm a semi-regular listener. I don't get to listen to you all the time, but I agree with 95% of what you say.

RUSH: How long have you been listening?

CALLER: Years. I don't know. You've been on the air 15 years, maybe?

RUSH: Twenty.

CALLER: Twenty years. So I've been a longtime listener.

RUSH: So you were listening throughout all of last year now and then?

CALLER: Yes.

RUSH: I said -- you must have missed it -- this is what I want to ask you about. Well, no. Several occasions I had people who were very hopeful, as you expressed you were hopeful, that the election of the first African-American president would end or really crimp racial strife in the country. People asked me if I thought this and I said no. It's going to exacerbate it. It is going to make it worse. We are going to have more race related problems in this country than we have ever had. Did you hear that and not believe me?

CALLER: Well, I did hear that. I took it into consideration. But I also had the possibility of McCain getting in as president, and all he's done is trash Republicans his whole life, so I didn't feel we were gaining much. It might just be a slower --

RUSH: No, no. I understand that, but I mean you were hoping, this is a pretty big reason to vote for Obama. You were hoping --

CALLER: Yes.

RUSH: -- that the elephant in the room that's dividing this country along racial lines would be obliterated. That's the primary reason for voting for him, at least as you said.

CALLER: Correct.

RUSH: You heard me say that that would not happen. You must have doubted me.

CALLER: Rush, I don't usually doubt you and --

RUSH: I'm not admonishing you.

CALLER: -- I took that into consideration.

RUSH: But when you heard me -- this is a learning experience for me, okay? When you heard me say that, what was your reaction?

CALLER: Well, I went more on what Obama said. I loved the speech that he gave, the Reverend Wright speech. I loved that. Because if we don't get this under control, if we don't get -- you know, the way the Democrats have taken this country, divided it according to identity politics --

RUSH: See, this is fascinating, because from his perspective, he was not lying when he said we've got to get this under control. But what you didn't know was that from his perspective, Jeremiah Wright is right, that this country is racist and the way to get this country fixed is to return the nation's wealth to its rightful owners via high taxes, redistribution, nationalization of industries.

CALLER: Exactly.

RUSH: And he has brought an anger to the White House about this. You can hear it, if you listen carefully in all of the interviews he's done, particularly early on in Chicago in the late nineties and the early parts of this century. So, yeah, you listen to him, you thought he was telling the truth, got this racial problem -- but his problem, the racial problem in his mind is white supremacy.

CALLER: Absolutely. I agree with you. I see it. I see it now.

RUSH: Well, I'm glad you seen it now. In the future, don't doubt me.

more at the link

[Quagmire]

The repubs are going nowhere until they shake off the fools like Powell, Arnold, the RNC token....stop all this talk about a big tent and go back to principals. Mimicking the dems will be their death. If people want to vote to for leftist socialist, they will go to the pros, not the copycats.

Frankly, we need three parties, IMHO, so that no one can ever dominate. We saw how unsuccessful that was when it was the repubs, and we are reliving the failure with dems. We need more voices so that alliances can be formed over key issues, not party concerns.

We need more than that. Unfortunately the MSM only gives airtime to the big 2, that needs to change.

[Overlay]

Frankly, we need three parties, IMHO, so that no one can ever dominate. We saw how unsuccessful that was when it was the repubs, and we are reliving the failure with dems. We need more voices so that alliances can be formed over key issues, not party concerns.

Tom, I share your frustration with the gridlock that can often characterize the two-party system, but I don't see how it would be any easier for multiple smaller parties to come together over issues than it currently is for each of the two major parties we now have. To me, a multi-major party system is a formula for non-accountability and weak government. Would we really trade places with any major country that has a multi-party system? I think the two-party system has done far more for overall progress in this country than a multi-party system could or would have (now or in the future). To me, the two-party system is similar to Churchill's quote about democracy being the worst form of government, except for all the others that have ever been tried.

[Tom]

But right now, we only have one party.
The dems and the dem wannabes. :bang:

[jballscalls]

But right now, we only have one party.
The dems and the dem wannabes. :bang:

its true, the only republicans i seem to even know are here on this board LOL

[HUSKER55]

iT would be easier to get away from political parties and go to a unicameral. That would force everyone to deal with the issues and not the party. That won't happen because the crooks hide behide the party lines and none of them are going to do that. It would probably be easier to get a third party going.


JMHO

[Hank]

The repubs are going nowhere until they shake off the fools like Powell , Arnold, the RNC token....stop all this talk about a big tent and go back to principals. Mimicking the dems will be their death. If people want to vote to for leftist socialist, they will go to the pros, not the copycats.

Frankly, we need three parties, IMHO, so that no one can ever dominate. We saw how unsuccessful that was when it was the repubs, and we are reliving the failure with dems. We need more voices so that alliances can be formed over key issues, not party concerns.

Way to go Tommy boy, you've got it all figured out. I nominate Tommy Boy NEW RNC Chair.:ThmbUp:

[Warren Henry]

The Republican party needs to return to a more libertarian stance - smaller government, individuals in charge of their own lives, less taxes, etc.

We don't need to try to be inclusive, we just need to do a better job of showing people how the above principles will enhance their lives.

Part of the reason that the Repubs lose is that we always feel that we need to defend ourselves against the lies of the other party. Of course, MSM makes their charges seem important and masks our message, but we need to stay on message - advance our philosophies and forget about bashing the other guys or defending against their bogus claims.

In just a few short months, we will be able to use the line the other guys used so effectively -- are you really better off now than you were a short while ago? BHO cannot deliver prosperity to the masses as he promised by destroying the more prosperous. Even giving corporations to the unions will not bring prosperity to the workers because no one will know how to run those companies profitably. Thus the ownership position will become virtually worthless.

Look at any purely socialist/communist country -- are the masses doing pretty well? I think not. That is why everyone wants to come here (with the possible exception of 46Z).

[Tom]

Way to go Tommy boy, you've got it all figured out. I nominate
Tommy Boy NEW RNC Chair.:ThmbUp:

You are an illegal alien in Off Topics.

[jballscalls]

Warren,

in the title of your post you say we need to fix the parties we have, but only talk about the republican party. what do you think the democrats need to do to improve/fix their party??

[boxcar]

You are an illegal alien in Off Topics.

I wonder if we could successfully lobby PA to deport him? :jump:

Boxcar

[Lefty]

arljim, "moderate conservative" is an oxymoron.
What we need is less moderates in the republican party and more conservatives. If they don't have a staunch conservative running in 2012, it might be bad news again.

[boxcar]

arljim, "moderate conservative" is an oxymoron.
What we need is less moderates in the republican party and more conservatives. If they don't have a staunch conservative running in 2012, it might be bad news again.

No "might" about it. It would be very bad news for this country. It would accelerate this nation's downward descent -- no matter who would be elected.

Boxcar

[Warren Henry]

Warren,

in the title of your post you say we need to fix the parties we have, but only talk about the republican party. what do you think the democrats need to do to improve/fix their party??

At the risk of sounding like our most recent Democrat President, it depends on what you mean by fix.

If fix means make more effective at winning elections, I would say that they pretty well have it under control. The practices of class warfare, victimization, racism, etc seem to be working well presently. If the Republicans don't fix their party/message, the Democrats can probably continue on their present path.

If fix means reforming for the good of the country, then I have a lot of ideas. :)

[Tom]

We should rename ourselves Humpty Dumpty because no one will ever put this country back together again. It is dead. Too many American are fat, lazy, morons. More than half. The lib education system has dumbed us down to the bottom. The American spirit has been all but wiped out. Too few have it any more, and there are too many anchors for those who still have to carry them anymore. A new, smaller union is our only hope. The 50 state ( or 57, if you are a lib) version has expired.

[jballscalls]

At the risk of sounding like our most recent Democrat President, it depends on what you mean by fix.

If fix means make more effective at winning elections, I would say that they pretty well have it under control. The practices of class warfare, victimization, racism, etc seem to be working well presently. If the Republicans don't fix their party/message, the Democrats can probably continue on their present path.

If fix means reforming for the good of the country, then I have a lot of ideas. :)

i take it your not a fan of the democratic party LOL

[jballscalls]

We should rename ourselves Humpty Dumpty because no one will ever put this country back together again. It is dead. Too many American are fat, lazy, morons. More than half. The lib education system has dumbed us down to the bottom. The American spirit has been all but wiped out. Too few have it any more, and there are too many anchors for those who still have to carry them anymore. A new, smaller union is our only hope. The 50 state ( or 57, if you are a lib) version has expired.

many of us are proud to be fat, lazy, morons!

[Warren Henry]

i take it your not a fan of the democratic party LOL

Actually, I have voted for quite a few Democrats. However, the current crop leaves much to be desired.

Unfortunately, I am not too proud of the current crop of Republicans either.

Damn few statesmen around these days. Mostly just pocket liners and egomaniacs that think that the only reason that socialism hasn't succeded in the past is that they weren't the ones implementing it. This applies to BOTH parties. A tax and spend Republican does more harm than a tax and spend Democrat in my opinion.

Does that clear things up for you? :lol:

[Tom]

many of us are proud to be fat, lazy, morons!

Yes....I know, :D

[jballscalls]

Yes....I know, :D

:lol: :ThmbUp: i needed the laugh Tom, thanks a bunch!

[riskman]

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Terrorism Report includes unclassified lists of those viewed as potential threats and terrorists which includes opponents of abortion, groups opposed to illegal immigration, third-party political supporters, supporters of the Second Amendment, those stockpiling food, water, and ammunition, constitutionalists, veterans, critics of the United Nations and One World Government, and anyone fitting the "Right-Wing Extremist" profile.
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/extremismreport.pdf

Have you noticed DHS’s report does not mention Maoists, Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists, Trotskyites, or National Socialists as a terror threat. Our government shows no fear of socialism/fascism. It only fears those who would hold it accountable to the Constitution and rule of law.

"Left-Wing Extremists" are conspicuous in their absence from any terrorist warning lists. Could that be because they are currently in elected offices or otherwise employed by the state? :)

[JustRalph]

arljim, "moderate conservative" is an oxymoron.


Same thing I thought the first time I heard the term..........

[boxcar]

Yes....I know, :D

That's JB!? JB, you need a makeover like yesterday. :lol:

Boxcar

[Track Collector]

In just a few short months, we will be able to use the line the other guys used so effectively -- are you really better off now than you were a short while ago?

Many who voted for Obama will not be able to tell the difference.

Healing will only occur when enough people recognize the dangers of the present administration, and what their "true" motives are. I hope and pray that this will occur before we reach a point of no return.

Those who want socialism deserve socialism, unfortunately, everyone rides the same bus. :mad: