Test for Obama (North Korean Nuclear Variety)

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30921379/

North Korea has made an unconfirmed claim that it conducted an underground nuclear test Monday (25 May)(Asian time). Seismic and other data is still being analyzed in order to verify it.

[ArlJim78]

If it was a nuke test, it seems far-fetched to me that it could be done at a depth of six miles. Is that even possible?

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30921379/

Whatever the depth of the test was, an update to the story indicates as follows:

"Russia, which shares a short border with North Korea, confirmed its facilities detected a nuclear test in northeastern North Korea, the ITAR-Tass news agency said, citing an unnamed Russian Defense Ministry official.

"In Washington, a U.S. counter-proliferation official said there was reason to believe North Korea had conducted a nuclear test. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter."

[JustRalph]

Amazing............ Iran sends ships to sea in International waters .......Iamadinnerjacket tells the west to shove it ............

http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE54O25V20090525


then this....................


If you can't read this for what it is...............you are fooling yourself........

[JustRalph]

This was written 30 days after he went into office...........it is worth reading again...............

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/19/AR2009021902579_pf.html

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Obama's Supine Diplomacy
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, February 20, 2009; A23

The Biden prophecy has come to pass. Our wacky veep, momentarily inspired, predicted in October that "it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama." Biden probably had in mind an eve-of-the-apocalypse drama like the Cuban missile crisis. Instead, Obama's challenges have come in smaller bites. Some are deliberate threats to U.S. interests, others mere probes to ascertain whether the new president has any spine.

Preliminary X-rays are not very encouraging.

Consider the long list of brazen Russian provocations:

(a) Pressuring Kyrgyzstan to shut down the U.S. air base in Manas, an absolutely crucial NATO conduit into Afghanistan.

(b) Announcing the formation of a "rapid reaction force" with six former Soviet republics, a regional Russian-led strike force meant to reassert Russian hegemony in the Muslim belt north of Afghanistan.

(c) Planning to establish a Black Sea naval base in Georgia's breakaway province of Abkhazia, conquered by Moscow last summer.

(d) Declaring its intention to deploy offensive Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad if Poland and the Czech Republic go ahead with plans to station an American (anti-Iranian) missile defense system.

President Bush's response to the Kaliningrad deployment -- the threat was issued the day after Obama's election -- was firm. He refused to back down because giving in to Russian threats would leave Poles and Czechs exposed and show the world that, contrary to post-Cold War assumptions, the United States could not be trusted to protect Eastern Europe from Russian bullying.

The Obama response? "Biden Signals U.S. Is Open to Russia Missile Deal," as the New York Times headlined Biden's Feb. 7 Munich speech to a major international gathering. This followed strong messages from the Obama transition team even before the inauguration that Obama was not committed to the missile shield. And just to make sure everyone understood that the Bush policy no longer held, Biden said in Munich that the United States wanted to "press the reset button" on NATO-Russian relations.

more at the link

[Tom]

Obviously, an apology is in order.
Barry........

[JustRalph]

If it was a nuke test, it seems far-fetched to me that it could be done at a depth of six miles. Is that even possible?


I think it was real............

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8066861.stm

As seismologists reported an event with the power of a 4.5 quake, US President Barack Obama said North Korea's action threatened "international peace".

China and Russia also condemned the test, but called for a return to talks.
A number of external agencies confirmed an explosion, probably associated with a nuclear test, had taken place.

[ArlJim78]

I think it was real............

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8066861.stm

As seismologists reported an event with the power of a 4.5 quake, US President Barack Obama said North Korea's action threatened "international peace".

China and Russia also condemned the test, but called for a return to talks.
A number of external agencies confirmed an explosion, probably associated with a nuclear test, had taken place.
oh it's no doubt real. Its just the very first wire story mentioned six miles deep which I think is not possible for a nuke test. As it turns out that info was wrong.

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The Obama response? "Biden Signals U.S. Is Open to Russia Missile Deal," as the New York Times headlined Biden's Feb. 7 Munich speech to a major international gathering. This followed strong messages from the Obama transition team even before the inauguration that Obama was not committed to the missile shield. And just to make sure everyone understood that the Bush policy no longer held, Biden said in Munich that the United States wanted to "press the reset button" on NATO-Russian relations.

How appropriate that the speech was delivered in Munich. (Did the text of the speech also include the phrase "peace in our time"?)

[dutchboy]

http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/did-north-korea-just-test-a-nuke/

[PaceAdvantage]

Man, can you feel the peace? I knew the world would be a better place once we voted out Bush/Cheney and voted in Obama/Biden.

I mean, didn't they tell us the whole world would fall in love with America again once ol' Barry came to town?

And now this?

Perhaps the news of Obama's election victory has yet to reach Iran, North Korea, and Russia?

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Man, can you feel the peace? I knew the world would be a better place once we voted out Bush/Cheney and voted in Obama/Biden.

Everybody join hands and sing together now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGDrV_2ehI

[cj's dad]

As a citizen of this country (unlike ZZ46) I just feel so warm and safe with BO as the CIC. I just know he will do the right thing. hey, maybe he can shoot a few hoops or walk his dog while N.Korea plans their next slap in the face to this American phony.

[46zilzal]

As a citizen of this country (unlike ZZ46) I just feel so warm and safe with BO as the CIC. I just know he will do the right thing. hey, maybe he can shoot a few hoops or walk his dog while N.Korea plans their next slap in the face to this American phony.
WRONG again. Propaganda need be checked before it is used to promote an agenda

Born in the South but was lucky enough to escape that dungeon.

[Tom]

You mean the dungeon was lucky. :D

Dungeon is a harsh term,
but it is a handy pigeon hole answer to all things.

[fast4522]

I feel you deserted this country to be a good socialist as a very young man.

[Lefty]

zilly, Chuck Schumer said, not too long ago, "That the time for traditional values and strong foreign policy is over"

[Marshall Bennett]

He probably feels the same way about Canada , the only alternative though if he stays on the continent , is the Arctic Circle or Greenland .

[ArlJim78]

Don't give up on Canada yet. Check out this (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/let-america-be-america-again/) article by Canadian essayist David Solway. He nails it with a good summary of the disturbing and damaging aspects of this president. Here's a sample;
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"But the truth is something far humbler and yet no less unnerving. It’s not easy to draw a bead on a cynical shape-shifter like Obama, but the effort must be made. Whatever his mysterious origins may be — numinous, demonic, interstellar, Hawaiian, Kenyan — the fact remains that he is bad news for the future health and prosperity of the United States, which seems to be subsiding into the economic and political abyss."

"To paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr., I have a nightmare. I sense that the political and electoral temper of America has been “revolutionized” and that millions of young, poorly educated but successfully indoctrinated Americans may bring their country to its knees. I suspect their efforts will be abetted by the approximately 40% of Americans who do not pay taxes, living off the rapidly melting fat of the land. And I’m afraid the situation will get worse before it starts to get even worser — at least for the next several years."

read the rest at the link. Its worth it.

[Lefty]

Great post, arljim, nice to know everybody in Canada hasn't been taken in.

[46zilzal]

Pajamas media, now there is a news outlet that is NOT KNOWN ANYWHERE!

[Tom]

Parent company is Vivid Video.

[rastajenk]

The headline in my paper this morning is "UN Rips N Korea for Blast."


Oooooohhhh, that'll scare them.

[cj's dad]

Not to fear, BHO is sending Hilary to ask the Chinese to ask the NK's to play nice. I guess the point is that we wouldn't want the Nk's showing the rest of the world what we here already know, that BHO is a coward.

The headline in my paper this morning is "UN Rips N Korea for Blast."


Oooooohhhh, that'll scare them.

[JustRalph]

I miss the heady days of American Firepower


There should have been cruise missiles flying across North Korea five minutes after that damn test and the launch facilities where those missiles went off should have been rubble by now.

[The Judge]

If North Korea has an A-bomb why is it the United States job to do anything different then the other countries on the planet? South Korea is right next door what are they doing? Japan ,Australia,China,England. Why the United States?


No matter what surely you don't think the United States should take military action.

[Marshall Bennett]

I miss the heady days of American Firepower


There should have been cruise missiles flying across North Korea five minutes after that damn test and the launch facilities where those missiles went off should have been rubble by now.
Careful ... careful , liberals will accuse you of everything from being a war monger to condoning torture . Anything more than a " timeout " would be considered extreme .

[Lefty]

Judge, we shouldn't do a damned thing. We should just attend to our knitting and wait for a big city like CA to be nuked. Then Obama can get us back to work on that missile shield.

[Greyfox]

Obviously, an apology is in order.
Barry........

:ThmbUp: :lol: :lol:

[The Judge]

what big city is that?

Is that the best you guys can do? Let me help you out "there is nothing that can be done". All you can do is talk crazy and that doesn't fed the bull dog. You can't attack North Korea you can only talk or sanctions, thats it.

Who's got the bomb, who doesn't is a better question. U.S ,Russia, Great Britain,France, India,Pakistan,South Africa(disassembled),Isreal,Iran,North Korea. So now who are you going to stop again and why?

If Knitting is going on I want a sweater.

[Lefty]

My brain and fingers got disconnected, judge. Big State, not big city. Madelyne Albright, no less agrees with you. She once said we should't be the only Suoer Power. Clinton agrees too, as he gave N Korea the means to achieve nuclear power. Who are we to stand in the way of every crazy dictator to have nukes. Obama will just say please don't hurt us, and all will be well.

[JustRalph]

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As usual Krauthammer has an interesting theory

[boxcar]

zilly, Chuck Schumer said, not too long ago, "That the time for traditional values and strong foreign policy is over"

See that: Ol' Chucky boy is strongly in favor of a weak foreign policy. And that's what we're getting. So...let's all sit back and enjoy the upcoming fireworks display, shall we?

Boxcar

[boxcar]

If North Korea has an A-bomb why is it the United States job to do anything different then the other countries on the planet? South Korea is right next door what are they doing? Japan ,Australia,China,England. Why the United States?


No matter what surely you don't think the United States should take military action.

Because the U.S.A. used to be the only bright beacon of Freedom shining its light into a dark world that for the most part is trending toward dictatorships, socialism and totalitarianism. But have no fear, Judge, that's all in the past while this freedom-hating, capitalism-bashing, terrorist-sympathizing Marxist is in the WH.

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

what big city is that?

Is that the best you guys can do? Let me help you out "there is nothing that can be done". All you can do is talk crazy and that doesn't fed the bull dog. You can't attack North Korea you can only talk or sanctions, thats it.

Who's got the bomb, who doesn't is a better question. U.S ,Russia, Great Britain,France, India,Pakistan,South Africa(disassembled),Isreal,Iran,North Korea. So now who are you going to stop again and why?

If Knitting is going on I want a sweater."There is nothing that can be done."

Wow. We are indeed in serious trouble.

Good thing that attitude wasn't in vogue during the 1940s. Or the 1770s for that matter.

Is this the kind of thinking an Obama presidency inspires?

[46zilzal]

Because the U.S.A. used to be the only bright beacon of Freedom shining its light into a dark world that for the most part is trending toward dictatorships, socialism and totalitarianism. But have no fear, Judge, that's all in the past while this freedom-hating, capitalism-bashing, terrorist-sympathizing Marxist is in the WH.

Boxcar
But Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, Canada, France, Australia, New Zealand, England, Ireland, etc. have NO freedoms at all

[rastajenk]

Not no freedoms. Just not nearly as many freedoms.

[Greyfox]

"There is nothing that can be done."

Wow. We are indeed in serious trouble.

Good thing that attitude wasn't in vogue during the 1940s. Or the 1770s for that matter.

Is this the kind of thinking an Obama presidency inspires?

That maybe the type of thinking the Obama Presidency has inspired.
Your own response PA to the poster though didn't quite answer, what should be done?

[boxcar]

But Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, Canada, France, Australia, New Zealand, England, Ireland, etc. have NO freedoms at all

Just remember: You made this absolute[ly] [ridiculous] statement. I didn't, nor did I imply such a stupid thing. What part of "some" freedoms, don't you understand? :bang:

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

Your own response PA to the poster though didn't quite answer, what should be done? The answer is way above my pay grade Mr. Fox.

[boxcar]

That maybe the type of thinking the Obama Presidency has inspired.
Your own response PA to the poster though didn't quite answer, what should be done?

Why that's easy Mr. Fox: That austere but prestigeful world body known as the U.N. (Useless Numbskulls for those of you who may have forgotten) needs to bring NK to task. Very simple solution really...but, alas, one that will prove to be equally ineffective. But hey...the stern rhetoric of the Security Council will easily convince the naive and foolish choir and even convert many of the unconverted to become flower children.

Boxcar

[Tom]

The Axis of Evil.

Seems Mr.Bush was pretty much on target.
He took care of one of them......

[The Judge]

to the question "What should be done" only has 1 response so far send a missile and blow-up the nuke site. That idea didn't get any seconds.

Actually while I said nothing could be done I gave two exceptions "talk and sanctions". Both I assume will be tried soon enough.

[Tom]

With Obama as CNC, our options are severely limited.

I agree, blast the launching pad, but you would be a fool to follow Obama on anything military.

Price we pay for electing this jerk - 4 years of not being the big guns anymore. with Obama in the WH, we are going to have to know our role and keep our mouth shut. Until we put a REAL leader back in the Oval ofice.

[ArlJim78]

to the question "What should be done" only has 1 response so far send a missile and blow-up the nuke site. That idea didn't get any seconds.

Actually while I said nothing could be done I gave two exceptions "talk and sanctions". Both I assume will be tried soon enough.
If I were calling the shots, I'd forget the UN, forget the six party talks. those are dead ends and everyone knows it.

What must happen ultimately is regime change. Ideally China will step up and work with us to bring it about with minimal violence. Its time for real action and consequences. No that doesn't mean we starting bombing, but it means there has to be a new posture, an immediate new approach that sends a clear message. There are a number of things that could be done to put pressure on from our side, but what we do depends on two things 1) the resolve of our leaders (which is at this time a joke), and 2) is China committed to the resolving this or not (I'm doubtful that they are).

What I'm afraid will happen is we'll continue to use the UN for leadership. however they're still working on their memo for the condemnation of the nuclear test last week. Meanwhile Norko has launched several more missiles, restarted their reactor, and basically said they are ready for a state of war withdrawing from the armistice that ended the last war. the UN is toothless and worthless. But at this point so are the words of Obama who makes one empty threat after another. He apparently doesn't realize that this gives a green light to every dictator around.

[jballscalls]

If I were calling the shots, I'd forget the UN, forget the six party talks. those are dead ends and everyone knows it.

What must happen ultimately is regime change. Ideally China will step up and work with us to bring it about with minimal violence. Its time for real action and consequences. No that doesn't mean we starting bombing, but it means there has to be a new posture, an immediate new approach that sends a clear message. There are a number of things that could be done to put pressure on from our side, but what we do depends on two things 1) the resolve of our leaders (which is at this time a joke), and 2) is China committed to the resolving this or not (I'm doubtful that they are).

What I'm afraid will happen is we'll continue to use the UN for leadership. however they're still working on their memo for the condemnation of the nuclear test last week. Meanwhile Norko has launched several more missiles, restarted their reactor, and basically said they are ready for a state of war withdrawing from the armistice that ended the last war. the UN is toothless and worthless. But at this point so are the words of Obama who makes one empty threat after another. He apparently doesn't realize that this gives a green light to every dictator around.

good response Jim:ThmbUp:

[The Judge]

the U.N is useless and China won't do whats necessary. O.K now what? It seems to me that leaves "nothing."

I will say I am not so sure about China it seems as if to me they have the most to lose of anyone by not acting. If real sanctions are put in place China might have to feed NKora which would hold back China's progress.

[The Judge]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090527/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear. You might get a war yet< Korea,Iran,Pakistan. I don't know.

[Greyfox]

the U.N is useless and China won't do whats necessary. O.K now what? It seems to me that leaves "nothing."

I will say I am not so sure about China it seems as if to me they have the most to lose of anyone by not acting. If real sanctions are put in place China might have to feed NKora which would hold back China's progress.

China's silence regarding North Korea tells me that they aren't worried in the least about this rogue state. Indeed, I wonder if China wouldn't subtley encourage them to continue to push Obama's buttons.

[boxcar]

China's silence regarding North Korea tells me that they aren't worried in the least about this rogue state. Indeed, I wonder if China wouldn't subtley encourage them to continue to push Obama's buttons.

NK is China's puppet on a string. Besides, you really think tiny NK would want to mess with Goliath?

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

China's silence regarding North Korea tells me that they aren't worried in the least about this rogue state. Indeed, I wonder if China wouldn't subtley encourage them to continue to push Obama's buttons.

you can kill 5000 chinese troops a day for 2 years before they have to worry about anything.....why should they worry?

Yep, Hillary told em........

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton warned that Pyongyang faced unspecified consequences because of its "provocative and belligerent" acts.

I think this is the exact same thing she told Bill after MonicaGate