Does this make America "more safe?"

[PaceAdvantage]

I keep hearing how Bush and his "cowboy" foreign policy has made the US less safe...spawned more terrorists...yada yada yada....

But then I read something like this, and I just shake my freakin' head at the absurdity of it all:

Amid queries, CIA worries about future
Seeking approval for other 'direct' tactics
For example, the "attention grasp," described as "grasping the individual with both hands, one hand on either side of the collar," is one of the 13 techniques employed in the past by the CIA and is listed in the Justice Department's May 10, 2005, memo. It is barred under the Field Manual. Unlike harsher techniques on the list, such as nudity, dietary control, sleep deprivation and waterboarding, CIA officials say they want the authority to use the attention grasp without going back to Washington for approval.Now, under Obama, we can't even touch these guys with both hands on either side of the collar without first getting Presidential approval. Are you kidding me?

Wake up America. Before you get woken up...again...too late to do anything about it...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30819117

[Tom]

This is what the lefties have been whining about as "torture?" :lol::lol::lol:

What a bunch of wimpies!
I guess a smack upside the head is out, too?

Torture.......yeah, right.

[Greyfox]

Geez. Can you imagine next season's 24 when Jack Bauer has to follow that manual? :lol: The producers would have to replace Keifer Sutherland with a Michael Moore type in the lead role. LOL

[Lefty]

Let me get this straight, Obama and fellow dims are against hand grasping but the Rendition prgm is okay? Gawd...

[46zilzal]

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MORE safe? ridiculous

[Lefty]

zilly, Rush is playing a part of an Obama speech. Obama said, 'oil has wrecked havoc on the planet. Will you criticize him for mispronouncing words, like you did with Bush. It should be "wreaked" havoc, not wrecked. What a dunce, and that's by your standards, zilly

[riskman]

From the linked article:

"However," it adds, "unofficial studies indicate that in these operations, the direct approach has been dramatically less successful."

In other words the manual says it is not effective. By the way, the "revised" manual was written in 2006.

[46zilzal]

zilly, Rush is playing a part of an Obama speech. Obama said, 'oil has wrecked havoc on the planet. Will you criticize him for mispronouncing words, like you did with Bush. It should be "wreaked" havoc, not wrecked. What a dunce, and that's by your standards, zilly
BOTH are correct in that instance

[Lefty]

Not hardly. It's wreaked not wrecked. zilly you are a socialist hypocrite. You will never criticize the socialist pres, no matter what he does. Admit it.

[Tom]

Try to address the message, zilly - everyone here go the meaning.
What is ridiculous is your non-reply.
It wrapped havoc on this thread.

[Tom]

From the linked article:

"However," it adds, "unofficial studies indicate that in these operations, the direct approach has been dramatically less successful."

In other words the manual says it is not effective. By the way, the "revised" manual was written in 2006.

I prefer to give the professionals the option of making that call on a case by case basis as opposed to an unofficial study. This is a life and death operation, not some silly lib game. You would tie the hands of those who know what they are doing to make yourself feel less guilty?

[riskman]

I prefer to give the professionals the option of making that call on a case by case basis as opposed to an unofficial study. This is a life and death operation, not some silly lib game. You would tie the hands of those who know what they are doing to make yourself feel less guilty?

"attention grasp," described as "grasping the individual with both hands, one hand on either side of the collar," is one of the 13 techniques employed in the past by the CIA and is listed in the Justice Department's May 10, 2005, memo. It is barred under the Field Manual.

Tom -Who wrote the "revised" Field Manual? The original manual used in past wars was the "standard" and in most instances was satisfactory. After 911 the Bush Admin. decided to rewrite the rules. This should never have been done. The original manual gave a lot of latitude on what guidelines were acceptable. By "revising" the Field Manual and being more specific --they opened a can of worms IMO. They wound up tying their own hands.

[cj's dad]

Try to address the message, zilly - everyone here go the meaning.
What is ridiculous is your non-reply.
It wrapped havoc on this thread.

Tom, try to stay calm; after all ,you are addressing a cameraman at a 3rd rate race track. And, he possesses a graduate degree - or so he says !

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[sammy the sage]

We are being GUTTED from the INSIDE OUT by the BANKER'S...yet all we can WHINE about is a how one political party vs another treat's a FEW .... :bang:

[PaceAdvantage]

We are being GUTTED from the INSIDE OUT by the BANKER'S...yet all we can WHINE about is a how one political party vs another treat's a FEW .... :bang:It's a big message board. Plenty of bandwidth to talk about lots of stuff...

Any particular reason you chose to try and take this thread off topic?

[PaceAdvantage]

safe
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MORE safe? ridiculousIs this guy for real? He's taking ME to task on grammar and English? The guy who once typed "Eintstein?"

Thanks for the laugh my ex-American friend. I knew there was a reason I let you back in the door.