don't sleep on Papa clem

[toussaud]

this horse is getting better and better and better. He had a legit excuse in Louisiana in the slop and is probably one of the gamest horses in the field. Has a ton of heart if you watch his races. In the Beverly Lewis I think if He actually would have saw POTN coming up I don't think he gets by him. He worked hard to put away IWR and he did so, but POTN was out of his vision range and passed him at the wire.

very underrated horse and very game.

[Bettowin]

I don't think he finishes in the top 5 but I have been wrong before. If his last race were 1 1/4 Summer Bird beats him by more than 2 lengths.

[toussaud]

I don't think he finishes in the top 5 but I have been wrong before. If his last race were 1 1/4 Summer Bird beats him by more than 2 lengths.

I dont' think he hits the exacta but like his trainer says, It hink they have a very good shot of hitting the board.

[cj]

I dont' think he hits the exacta but like his trainer says, It hink they have a very good shot of hitting the board.

So you think he is going to run exactly 3rd?

[toetoe]

Third or fourth, I believe that means. :) .



P.S. Maybe even fifth, in this day of the High-as-a-kite Five.

[toussaud]

yes third or forth. I think he is the most underrated horse in the field and like I said, I don't think POTN gets past him if he had actually SAW him. I think there are a few horses that are just flat out better than him, but I think has enough run to pick up a check and get on the board.

[toetoe]

All seriousness aside, I would love to see Summer Bird getting into the field. The only thing wrong with his AD run was wideness and Toetoe's jinxifyin' favor. Who knows ? Maybe with a better trip, given his tern of foot, he woulda flew by 'em all. :confused: . Get it ? Bird ... tern ... flew ? ;) .

[Bettowin]

All seriousness aside, I would love to see Summer Bird getting into the field. The only thing wrong with his AD run was wideness and Toetoe's jinxifyin' favor. Who knows ? Maybe with a better trip, given his tern of foot, he woulda flew by 'em all. :confused: . Get it ? Bird ... tern ... flew ? ;) .



I thought he got in when Giant Oak dropped out.

[Watcher]

I thought he got in when Giant Oak dropped out.
I'm seeing him at 20th spot right now.

# Horse Trainer Earnings
1 Regal Ransom Saeed bin Suroor $1,250,000
2 Pioneerof the Nile Bob Baffert $1,193,250
3 Square Eddie Doug O'Neill $804,981
4 I Want Revenge Jeff Mullins $774,000
5 Papa Clem Gary Stute $760,000
6 Desert Party Saeed bin Suroor $641,667
7 Quality Road James Jerkens $600,000
8 General Quarters Thomas McCarthy $595,645
9 Friesan Fire Larry Jones $570,465
10 Musket Man Derek Ryan $485,000
11 Hold Me Back Bill Mott $438,000
12 West Side Bernie Kelly Breen $385,160
13 Chocolate Candy Jerry Hollendorfer $370,000
14 Win Willy Mac Robertson $230,000
15 Advice Todd Pletcher $206,845
16 Dunkirk Todd Pletcher $150,000
17 Mine That Bird Bennie Woolley $138,705
18 Flying Private D. Wayne Lukas $124,000
19 Mr. Hot Stuff Eoin Harty $114,000
20 Summer Bird Tim Ice $100,000
21 Join in the Dance Todd Pletcher $90,000
22 Take the Points Todd Pletcher $85,000
23 Atomic Rain Kelly Breen $77,500
24 Just a Coincidence Nick Zito $75,000
25 His Greatness Marco Salazar $53,750

[Burls]

The other plus for Papa Clem - as far as I'm concerned, at least - is that Bejarano signed up to ride him. Bejarano has a way of squeezing a little bit extra out of a horse in the big races, especially at the close, as the Arkansas Derby illustrates. That was a classic Bejarano finish.

[Bettowin]

The other plus for Papa Clem - as far as I'm concerned, at least - is that Bejarano signed up to ride him. Bejarano has a way of squeezing a little bit extra out of a horse in the big races, especially at the close, as the Arkansas Derby illustrates. That was a classic Bejarano finish.


Who was Bejarano's other choice? Papa Clem was the only horse he has ridden in the preps that is making the Derby.

[Burls]

Who was Bejarano's other choice? Papa Clem was the only horse he has ridden in the preps that is making the Derby.Sorry, I'm too lazy to look it up right now, but I think Bejarano has ridden Square Eddie before.

[LemonSoupKid]

Yes, he was on Square Eddie.

I didn't find the Arkansas Derby to be that impressive.

Obviously, anything can happen with maturing 3 year olds, but Papa Clem I don't think is anywhere near the top 4 horses, which means he'll be 4th or 5th in the Derby, at best.

[toussaud]

as far as dery prep's i'd put the arkansas derby behind the florida derby and MABYE the santa anita derby. it wasn't that great but it was better than most of the derby prep's out there.

[LemonSoupKid]

I love Bejarano. I love getting great prices with him. I'm not convinced, at this point, and when I run my final analysis I'll consider him.

I'd like to see how he works too, so my correspondents will have their eyes out. I do like the name and Bejarano, but I don't bet on those as much --- every jockey and trainer is out to get this one.:eek:

[Burls]

For this year, my favorite is Quality Road, but he's definitely going to be chalk.
We'll just have to wait and see until post-time, but I think Papa Clem might offer some good value for the exotics.

[toussaud]

For this year, my favorite is Quality Road, but he's definitely going to be chalk.
We'll just have to wait and see until post-time, but I think Papa Clem might offer some good value for the exotics.
the good thing about the derby is that in the derby, I am more than willing to take chalk. I'll take 4 to 1 on quality road all day long.