Iran.......is the clock ticking?

[JustRalph]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece

From The Times
April 18, 2009
Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites

The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government.

Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack.

Two nationwide civil defence drills will help to prepare the public for the retaliation that Israel could face.

“Israel wants to know that if its forces were given the green light they could strike at Iran in a matter of days, even hours. They are making preparations on every level for this eventuality. The message to Iran is that the threat is not just words,” one senior defence official told The Times.

Officials believe that Israel could be required to hit more than a dozen targets, including moving convoys. The sites include Natanz, where thousands of centrifuges produce enriched uranium; Esfahan, where 250 tonnes of gas is stored in tunnels; and Arak, where a heavy water reactor produces plutonium.

The distance from Israel to at least one of the sites is more than 870 miles, a distance that the Israeli force practised covering in a training exercise last year that involved F15 and F16 jets, helicopters and refuelling tankers.

The possible Israeli strike on Iran has drawn comparisons to its attack on the Osirak nuclear facility near Baghdad in 1981. That strike, which destroyed the facility in under 100 seconds, was completed without Israeli losses and checked Iraqi ambitions for a nuclear weapons programme

[BlueShoe]

Have been predicting this course of action since last summer,before the election.Israel simply cannot just sit quietly and wait for Iran to strike first with nuclear weapons.With the hawkish Netanyahu as head of state,this could happen at any time.If and when it does,look for the Muslim world to go absolutely bonkers,and retaliate against any ally of israel,as well as israel itself.Israel seems determined to go it alone if they have to,and is not counting on US aid and support from the Administration of President Obama.

[boxcar]

An Israeli raid could very well drive the entire world on the brink of nuclear destruction. The $64. question is how Iran's allies would respond, e.g. Russia and China. And the even bigger question is how this Mulslim-lovin' president here in the U.S. would respond.

If the bible is any indication of how this might play out, my prediction is that global war would not break out yet. Other players on this world stage would have to be properly positioned, playing their roles before the end comes.

Having said all this, I fully understand and would support Israel's preemptive strike(s), given Iran's officially stated position towards Israel.

Boxcar

[fast4522]

There is little question in my mind if it would happen, just the when. It is a sure bet it would not be a limited strike. They have different laws than we do, they can also target "Iminadinnerjacket" simultaneously, get a lock on him and crush him and the whole program. About a third of exported oil would be shut down which equals a full out war at the very minimum, unlike the case with Sadam.

[JustRalph]

Delusional...........say it again.........Delusional..........

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/18/iran.ahmadinejad/index.html

Iranian leader: No one dares threaten us

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- The Iranian president on Saturday hailed the nation as "one of the strongest in the region" during a celebration to mark Army Day, according to the semi-official Mehr News Agency.

"Today our nation is one of the strongest in the region and a great part of the world," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said, according to Mehr. "And no country dares to threaten it."

more at link

[Steve 'StatMan']

Yeah, and if they hadn't been threatening Israel, as well as the US and many of their own neighbors for a few decades, esp. Amaneedadayjob, and maybe, just maybe if they hadn't put themselves in a position to be a nuclear threatm, and instead just been a quiet strength the region had respected (execpt Sadam in Iraq), maybe they would be getting threats back. And maybe, just maybe if Obama and H.Clinton weren't trying to make nice & friendly, maybe Israel would feel less likely to get sold out while Iran reaches the point of catastrophic unstopability with their nuclear setup (either arms ready, or too much active capacity that can't be taken out without a widespread nuclear disaster - I'd hate to be living in the countries that are minimally 500 miles downwind of Iran. Of course, I personally wouldn't want to live in Israel, Iran, Iraq, heck, all of the Middle East for that matter.

[fast4522]

Threatening equals stupidity, level the stupidity and no one dares to make the same mistake.

[Light]

This is nothing new. Israel has been talking of bombing Iran for the last 5 years. Zionist bluff. I cant see how they would do it now when Obama is trying to open up a dialogue with Iran. They had their chance with Bush and still couldn't do it.If they do,they'd lose more than they gain. Terrorism against Israel would triple. Nuclear Pakistan would be tipped towards radicalization against the west. Iraq and Afghanistan would go down the toilet. Gas prices would spike. The worlds economies would tank even further and anti semitism would rise like wildfire. A totally retarded move.

[Tom]

But justifiable.
Too bad we have a miserable little coward in the WH so Israel cannot count on us anymore.

Greatest military machine in history and Bozo the Clown at it's helm.
Sad.

[Light]

What has Iran done to Israel besides their second in command saying one comment,one time, they didnt like.And he has no authority over the military. Khomeni does. The entire world has to risk possible nuclear holocaust cause of one comment taken out of context from a guy whose name most cant spell or pronounce?

[Tom]

We should have taken Iran out years ago.

The little POS that no one can pronounce was one who held US citizens hostage.

Good a reason to go to war I can think of.

[BlueShoe]

Sorry Light,but you have given us excuses not reasons;the usual hand wringing that we get from the Left;be nice to the poor little bad guys and they will be nice to us.Not buying it,this guy is serious.Israel has had a dovish government the last few years.Now Big Ben is running things.Just what other choices are there?Try diplomacy with the madman?It hasnt worked,he just sneers at us.Hope that moderate Iranians will remove him in a coup?How long should we wait,and what chance is there that it will ever happen?Or should we just wait and grit our teeth and hope that he does not start dropping nukes in everyones laps?Israel should strike,and strike with full US support.

[JustRalph]

What has Iran done to Israel besides their second in command saying one comment,one time, they didnt like.And he has no authority over the military. Khomeni does. The entire world has to risk possible nuclear holocaust cause of one comment taken out of context from a guy whose name most cant spell or pronounce?


maybe those threats to blow them off the map............ might have them a little worried

[ezrabrooks]

What has Iran done to Israel besides their second in command saying one comment,one time, they didnt like.And he has no authority over the military. Khomeni does. The entire world has to risk possible nuclear holocaust cause of one comment taken out of context from a guy whose name most cant spell or pronounce?

You forgot the fact that they don't even recognize the right of Israel to exist. That could be a problem..

Ez

[Steve 'StatMan']

Gotta be more than just a comment taken out of context, one time. None of the leaders in Iran or Israel are that stupid or reckless.

Has Iran been linked to supporting Hezbolla and other groups in the attacks from Lebanon and in the Palestinian Regions?

[Light]

Saddam never harmed any Americans or Israeli's directly and neither has Iran. Its all conjecture,bias and accusations. Nobody has proof of Iran doing anything. All the BS about Saddam was the same story. A madman with nukes.Give me a break. How old are you guys to believe this? It was all lies and excuses for invading and everyone knows that now. Same for Iran.

You think Iran is intelligent enough to create a nuke but too dumb not to know that they will be dead from the radiation fallout should they use one on Israel. That their food and drinking water will be contaminated. That their cancer rate will engulf them.That closer neighbors like Lebanon Jordan and Syria will not allow it cause they will all be condemned to radiation poisoning. Where is your common sense? You guys need to realize that Iran's leaders are having words put into their mouths by those who want to conquer the region. Hardly a credible source.

[BlueShoe]

The Iranians have been supplying the insurgents in Iraq with weapons,munitions,and training used to kill Americans and untold numbers of Iraquis since the war started.The ironic thing is that most Iranians are not that anti America and israel.If somehow they could rid themselves of their mad leaders and fanatic religious clerics they might actually follow a more peachful path.Too bad the world cant wait and take a chance of that happening.

[fast4522]

So we get to play the what if here on this BBS as they are playing it out in several governments. Its not a question of if, but when. Public opinion means nothing, what will be will be. If you read the bible it says the end of days will come when two leaders make a agreement, can you find leaders who agree on things? What I believe is if its you or me, I guess I am going to work Monday and your not. This logic is a sure bet, much better than betting on a horse.

[boxcar]

What has Iran done to Israel besides their second in command saying one comment,one time, they didnt like.And he has no authority over the military. Khomeni does. The entire world has to risk possible nuclear holocaust cause of one comment taken out of context from a guy whose name most cant spell or pronounce?

A few things, Light: First, Iran's official state policy calls for the destruction of Israel. And this has been stated often -- not just once as you claim.

Secondly, what makes you think for a nanosecond that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't speak for Khomeni? What makes you think that Ahmadinejad is merely expressing his own wishes or personal desires?

And finally, why don't you provide that context for us, which you claim no one understands? In fact, once you do, I'll pass it on to the U.N. who officially condemned Iran after Ahmadinejad's remarks. Evidently, the U.N. misconstrued his remarks, too.

Below are four links -- all of which soundly refute your simple-minded, biased and bigoted claims. The last one is particularly interesting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/03/AR2006080300629.html

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000400.htm

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

http://www.geocities.com/ahlulbayt14/khom-quds.html

Boxcar

[hcap]

If the bible is any indication of how this might play out, my prediction is that global war would not break out yet.

BoxcarThe bible is not an indication of anything in terms of coming historical events.

[hcap]

Pro-active diplomacy......

http://www.alternet.org/audits/136297/behind_the_scenes%2C_u.s._tempts_iran_with_global_ nuclear_fuel_bank_deal/

"According to the Wall Street Journal, the Obama administration is "carefully considering" the setting up of an international uranium fuel bank in Kazakhstan, which could form the exit strategy for the historic US-Iran standoff. That is why the visit by the Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad to Astana, Kazakhstan, on Monday assumes exceptional importance."

[boxcar]

The bible is not an indication of anything in terms of coming historical events.

Sure, 'cap, whatever you say. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

Saddam never harmed any Americans or Israeli's directly and neither has Iran.

I can't believe you would make this statement? Just because he didn't do it directly, it doesn't count?

How about the people who were killed by the Suicide Bombers that Saddam was paying for ? The ones where their families got the cash from Saddam?

The fact that you would even go to this length and use the term "directly" portrays the weakness of your argument. Amazing rationalization you make.

[boxcar]

I can't believe you would make this statement? Just because he didn't do it directly, it doesn't count?

How about the people who were killed by the Suicide Bombers that Saddam was paying for ? The ones where their families got the cash from Saddam?

The fact that you would even go to this length and use the term "directly" portrays the weakness of your argument. Amazing rationalization you make.

To Light's twisted and perverted way of thinking, it's perfectly alright to be an accomplice to murders before the fact. It's okay for a crime lord to pay underlings to murder because the head honcho wasn't directly involved, i..e he didn't pull the trigger himself. His rationalization isn't nearly amazing as it is absurd. :bang: :bang:

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

You think Iran is intelligent enough to create a nuke but too dumb not to know that they will be dead from the radiation fallout should they use one on Israel. That their food and drinking water will be contaminated. That their cancer rate will engulf them.That closer neighbors like Lebanon Jordan and Syria will not allow it cause they will all be condemned to radiation poisoning. Where is your common sense?A culture of death, like Iran has always been since 1979, doesn't fear such things...you of all people should know this...

On another note, I suppose THIS is the test Biden was talking about during the campaign. Not that silly pirate horseshit.

[hcap]

The bible is not an indication of anything in terms of coming historical events.

Sure, 'cap, whatever you say. :rolleyes:

BoxcarProve it. Please no "bible code" nonsense.
BTW, you never proved any of the your preposterous bible sez' the earth and universe are around 6000 years old either.
Just a reminder