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misscashalot
04-03-2009, 04:47 PM
Don't get me wrong. I think Dominguez is a great rider. I see him split horses against all reason, or just slip thru on the rail and carry a horse when others would have given up...but, is it my imagination. or isn't he the worst at breaking from the gate? I've seen him too many times being left at the break, and in New York, this is death.

aaron
04-03-2009, 05:11 PM
I don't see it. There was a race yesterday he outbroke cc lopez who was on the other speed.

Dahoss9698
04-03-2009, 05:38 PM
I don't see it. There was a race yesterday he outbroke cc lopez who was on the other speed.

No big surprise there.

Mineshaft
04-03-2009, 05:51 PM
I dont like the way he winds up his stick to whip. Too much wasted action if you ask me.

slew101
04-04-2009, 08:56 PM
Pretty bad ride in Race 8 on the chalk at Aqueduct on Saturday.

I thought he stopped doing the whip windup after the Scrappy T incident.

onefast99
04-04-2009, 08:59 PM
Don't get me wrong. I think Dominguez is a great rider. I see him split horses against all reason, or just slip thru on the rail and carry a horse when others would have given up...but, is it my imagination. or isn't he the worst at breaking from the gate? I've seen him too many times being left at the break, and in New York, this is death.
He is able to ride from both the frontend and coming off the pace. One dimensional jocks dont win like he does. He also can tell you a lot of things about your horse once the race is over that most jocks cant. Very smart rider!

slew101
04-04-2009, 09:02 PM
But don't you think he gets into too much trouble, especially on the turf? He always seems to crowd up horses butts. Rarely goes around, even when he has plenty of time and horse.

He is able to ride from both the frontend and coming off the pace. One dimensional jocks dont win like he does. He also can tell you a lot of things about your horse once the race is over that most jocks cant. Very smart rider!

onefast99
04-04-2009, 09:08 PM
But don't you think he gets into too much trouble, especially on the turf? He always seems to crowd up horses butts. Rarely goes around, even when he has plenty of time and horse.
He hasnt been on the turf since November so we will see in a few weeks when they are back on it. He also was in Delaware last summer and I believe they shut the turf course down early due to the condition of it. He will get plenty of chances on the NY sod this spring and summer. Was there a race in particular that he had an issue in?

slew101
04-04-2009, 09:15 PM
He's ridden full-time at Saratoga two of the last three summers, so I saw a lot of him. Yes, one bad ride when I had some cash on him, but it was just something I noticed in his style. He seems to love coming between horses most times. I realize that's the way to win on turf, but sometimes he seems to do it too much, which gets him in trouble.

onefast99
04-04-2009, 09:20 PM
He's ridden full-time at Saratoga two of the last three summers, so I saw a lot of him. Yes, one bad ride when I had some cash on him, but it was just something I noticed in his style. He seems to love coming between horses most times. I realize that's the way to win on turf, but sometimes he seems to do it too much, which gets him in trouble.
I bet him last year he was on one of Contessas horses an entry with Hill they went off at 4/1 Hill went to the front and never looked back. Had Hill not been part of the entry he would of been 15/1.

asH
04-05-2009, 04:59 PM
Don't get me wrong. I think Dominguez is a great rider. I see him split horses against all reason, or just slip thru on the rail and carry a horse when others would have given up...but, is it my imagination. or isn't he the worst at breaking from the gate? I've seen him too many times being left at the break, and in New York, this is death.

its your imagination that you see Dominguez as a great jock

to avoid any nonsense back and forward childish arguments - I'll just say that he will begin to show his true colors and disapear into the back ground as the jockey colony begins to upgrade in talent - you can hold me to that.

Dahoss9698
04-05-2009, 05:07 PM
its your imagination that you see Dominguez as a great jock

to avoid any nonsense back and forward childish arguments - I'll just say that he will begin to show his true colors and disapear into the back ground as the jockey colony begins to upgrade in talent - you can hold me to that.

He's not great, but he absolutely will be competitive in New York full time. Last year at Saratoga he was 5th in wins and 4th in purses won. That's as competitive a meet as there is anywhere and he hardly disappeared into the background.

asH
04-05-2009, 06:32 PM
Garcia Alan195 39 17 28 .20
Velazquez J R 217 36 33 31 .17
Prado E S 216 32 47 23 .15
Coa E M 201 30 23 25. 15
Dominguez R A 209 27 28 21 .13
Velasquez C 210 24 34 27 .11
Leparoux J 152 19 14 16 .13
Maragh R 168 19 19 24 .11
Desormeaux K J 134 16 17 22 .12
Castellano J J 166 16 28 27 .10
Albarado R J126 15 12 22 .12

but he was 1 of 5 with over 200 mounts..so isnt that like last

misscashalot
04-05-2009, 06:35 PM
Garcia Alan195391728.20Velazquez J R217363331.17Prado E S216324723.15Coa E M201302325.15Dominguez R A209272821.13Velasquez C210243427.11Leparoux J152191416.13Maragh R168191924.11Desormeaux K J134161722.12Castellano J J166162827.10Albarado R J126151222.12Bridgmohan S X100131211.13Hill C12512914.10Luzzi M J1129108.08Migliore Rbut he was 1 of 5 with over 200 mounts..so isnt that like last

Ya really got a thing against Ramon, dont ya?

Dahoss9698
04-05-2009, 06:35 PM
This isn't going well for you.

asH
04-05-2009, 06:41 PM
That’s how I analyzed him, I have no time to let feelings get in the way

I get paid when i'm right, simple as that

the little guy
06-14-2009, 09:40 PM
its your imagination that you see Dominguez as a great jock

to avoid any nonsense back and forward childish arguments - I'll just say that he will begin to show his true colors and disapear into the back ground as the jockey colony begins to upgrade in talent - you can hold me to that.


OK, I will hold you to that.

He is dominating at Belmont.

aaron
06-15-2009, 08:14 AM
I'm a big Dominguez fan. His ride in the stakes race Saturday when he beat the 3 horse 1/5 entry was flawless. Dominguez will be a top rider for a long time,no matter who is in the jockey colony. At this point in NY,I can't think of anyone riding better.

46zilzal
06-15-2009, 09:51 AM
Haven't seem too many who give a horse several lengths improvement as often as this guy does. Laffit used to do the same.

Valuist
06-15-2009, 09:47 PM
He may not always make the right decisions, but he is as natural a rider as there is. And I don't buy into the nonsense that he's wasting action when he winds up.

Bobzilla
06-16-2009, 08:20 AM
Currently I cannot think of any other rider in New York who I feel more confident in backing than Ramon. Likewise I cannot think of any other rider in New York who breaks my heart more when I'm backing a horse he isn't riding. My impression is that he goes into every race better prepared than his competitors. I think he anticipates better, reacts better, and judges the pace better. He has very good instincts and is probably, comparatively speaking, more cerebral than many of the other riders. I know Ramon has a reputation as not getting into the races quickly but that simply has not been my observation. When he needs to get out of the gate quick, or if he thinks he can surprise the others with an unforeseen early advantage that isn't immeadiately apparent by viewing the horse's tendancies on paper, he can do that as well, just as well as those with reputations as good gate riders. At this time I'll take Coa, Dominguez, and maybe even Maragh, over Prado, C. Velasquez and J. Velazquez with all other variables being equal. Johnny has had a great career and I admire him very much, but I can't think of any other rider who currently frustrates me more on turf with his insistance on parking horses out into that dreaded 3-wide 4-wide outside stalking position, a position that unless the horse is much the best will often result in flatness in the final 16th.