N. Korea to fire missile 4-4-09

[cj's dad]

Any predictions as to the likely response of the international community ?

[ArlJim78]

here's my question. Why isn't China more concerned about this? They are well within stiking range of this missle, shouldn't they be more concerned? You've got a guy that's purported to be a power crazed madman making warheads and launching missles right in their backyard. their reaction seems rather non-chalant if you ask me.

the way I look at it, everything that Kim Jong "mentally" Il does has the tacit approval of China. If they didn't approve they could shut him down in a heart-beat.

[boxcar]

here's my question. Why isn't China more concerned about this? They are well within stiking range of this missle, shouldn't they be more concerned? You've got a guy that's purported to be a power crazed madman making warheads and launching missles right in their backyard. their reaction seems rather non-chalant if you ask me.

the way I look at it, everything that Kim Jong "mentally" Il does has the tacit approval of China. If they didn't approve they could shut him down in a heart-beat.

NK isn't China's enemy. If anything, China is NK quiet enabler. My prediction: NK will conduct its test while the world community stands idly b-- gazing, perhaps skyward.

Boxcar

[newtothegame]

based on past "reactions" from the world, I would assume the response will be NOTHING. Hell, Obama might even invite Kim (NK leader) for dinner. After all, he wants America to be viewed as a leader in friendship :bang:

[PaceAdvantage]

Obama will probably bow symbolically in the general direction of N. Korea, then start reading from a teleprompter, admitting that this missile launch is all AMERICA'S FAULT!

[Dick Schmidt]

I don't think a missile launch is a big deal. We do it all the time. Far more important is where it lands.



Dick

”And St. Attila raised the hand grenade up on high saying: "Oh Lord, bless this thy Holy hand grenade, that with it I may blowest thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

[DJofSD]

Ah yes, Dick reminds me of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Hand_Grenade_of_Antioch)

The U.S. will do nothing of substance about the launch. Hillary will seek a meeting and be denied.

[The Judge]

explain to me why other countries can have atomic bombs, missiles, death rays, satellites, and all manner of distrutive devises but North Korea should not have a missile? What I am asking is not why you think they shouldn't have a missile but what reason would you give them as to why they shouldn't have one, is it the same "reason". You don't think they should have a missile because they are "bad" well they see you as "bad" and themselves as "good".

The United States can have all manners of dooms day devices but the countries that we don't like can't have any. Well doesn't that seem a little odd to you. Why should your enemy listen to you. My enemy has a bomb I want one too seems perfectly logical to me. Why shouldn't everyone join in the fun!

If you thought the West was not your friend and they had a bomb wouldn't you want a "little bomb" of your own and if you already have a little bomb wouldn't you want a bigger bomb if your enemy had a bigger bomb? It's call escalation been going on since the first cave man threw a rock in combat.

[DJofSD]

Lets just say their priorities are messed up and therefore they are not to be trusted. A large percentage of the NK population is starving. But yet the government seems hell-bent to spend the necessary monies to deploy advance technology as a part of a military build up.

Why should we trust NK using just this very limited set of circumstances?

[Lefty]

Hey, Judge, you and Madelaine Albright sound alike. She once said, the U,S. shouldn't be the only Super Power.
We should always deny our enemies destructive weapons. Don't you think they'd do the same to us, if they could?
Who do you think is more likely to start WW111 if they could?
U.S.
N. Korea
Iran
Russia

[The Judge]

I am not worried about WW111 its all these small one inbetween that the good ol USA seems to always get involved in that worry me. As too who will start WW111 who knows anyone or anything can start it. We are involved in two now and seem to be looking for number 3.

From you list the USA would be as likely as anyother. Ask someone in another country who they think is likely to start WW111 I don 't think you be surprised if the USA was mentioned as often as any of the others.

[boxcar]

explain to me why other countries can have atomic bombs, missiles, death rays, satellites, and all manner of distrutive devises but North Korea should not have a missile? What I am asking is not why you think they shouldn't have a missile but what reason would you give them as to why they shouldn't have one, is it the same "reason". You don't think they should have a missile because they are "bad" well they see you as "bad" and themselves as "good".

The United States can have all manners of dooms day devices but the countries that we don't like can't have any. Well doesn't that seem a little odd to you. Why should your enemy listen to you. My enemy has a bomb I want one too seems perfectly logical to me. Why shouldn't everyone join in the fun!

If you thought the West was not your friend and they had a bomb wouldn't you want a "little bomb" of your own and if you already have a little bomb wouldn't you want a bigger bomb if your enemy had a bigger bomb? It's call escalation been going on since the first cave man threw a rock in combat.

Here's a very condensed answer: As hard as this is to believe, there are still a few people and governments in the world who recognize the existence of Good and Evil. (A good example of this is when Reagan called the USSR an "evil empire" or when Bush called terrorists-sponsoring states the "Axis of Evil", which, incidentally, included North Korea.) Of course, dictatorships, monarchies, terrorists states, most socialist democracies and totalitarians would object to any other country labeling another as "evil" because they would quickly point to the name-caller's own "sins". But while the good ol' US of A is anything but a righteous nation, I think it could be argued (at another time on another thread, perhaps) that essentially many in this nation still subscribe to moral values that are fundamentally good, such as a freedom, equality, opportunity, etc. And this is far more than could be said for most of the types of governments listed above.

The battle between Good (forces) and Evil (forces) is as old as Man. (The first "war" took place when Cain slew Abel.) And this battle will rage until the end. The reason now there's so much angst and anxiety in the world is because Man's war machines are so technologically advanced that, with only one push of a button, millions on earth could be destroyed. It's inconceivable to think what would happen if those buttons were pushed multiple times from various sides.

If anyone has the uneasy feeling that the entire world is sitting on a large, lit powder keg, then I'd say there's hope for you. At least you're awake. Your eyes are open. But for untold others, who scoff and are in denial, they will essentially say what the apostle Peter said they would in the end times "...everything continues as it always has been..." -- a favorite view of the cyclical theorists.

Boxcar

[Tom]

Judge - simple answer - Kim Dun Il is an insane dictator with zero respect of human life. Yet you want to equate him with all other world leaders. You would have loved Paris in 1943.

[Marshall Bennett]

North Korea's launching of missles appears to be more of a nuisance than an actual threat . They want to be viewed as a nation of power , right up there with the big boys . They're tired of being viewed as what they really are , a pest . They need to spanked like a small child playing with matches . They need to be disciplined before they accidentally burn something down . That's the real threat . I beleive Obama's form of punishment would be nothing more than a " time out " . More should be done .

[DJofSD]

Well, as I recall, there was an effort made by a total of 7 countries to rein in NK. Of coarse, this happened during the prior administration, so, it does not count.

[JustRalph]

bill clinton cut a deal with them

they can't have a nuke?

[HUSKER55]

NO BALLS NO BABY

and michell's is bigger

[ArlJim78]

fire in the hole!

the rocket has been launched.

[cj's dad]

The U.N security council will meet today and ask the PRK not to do it again.
Tsk-Tsk !! Shame - Bad Bad No dooie no more

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[The Judge]

they shot off a missile what would you now do to NKorea to stop them from doing it again and what would you do for them firing this missile?

[Marshall Bennett]

Who's to say this missle doesn't contain a warhead ? Does anyone know where its headed ? How about the next one they launch ? I still say they're playing with matches and need to be dealt with accordingly . I don't trust N. Korea and particularly the brains ( or lack of ) in charge of assembling and launching these missles .

[Tom]

The U.N security council will meet today and ask the PRK not to do it again.
Tsk-Tsk !! Shame - Bad Bad No dooie no more

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Today, Bummy goes to school.
Russia and China are going to take him there.

He is going to learn that on the world stage, talk is cheap.

He is going to learn that the real powers in the world look at him as a fool and a gift.

He is going to learn that wowing the Brits and the French will get you headlines, but the real powers are not impressed.

He is going to learn that his whole foreign policy is a total joke.

He is going to learn that his BS is wasted abroad - it only work on mindless libs and dems with socialist agendas.

Many here will still be too thick to understand.

[newtothegame]

they shot off a missile what would you now do to NKorea to stop them from doing it again and what would you do for them firing this missile?

Well, North korea has proven time and time again that the UN sanctions hold no weight. As long as the north has china and russia with veto power, the UN is worthless in regards to holding any type of formidable front against the North.
Now can we agree on something? Can we agree that this missile "test" was NOT to put a satellite into space for "peaceful" purposes?
This was nothing more then a "test" for them to see where their long range ballistic program is. If they truly wanted a satellite in space, why not just have the russians or chinese put it there???
Now to the basic premiss of your questions,....what to do?
I say let them attempt to test another and I would NOT be opposed to it being taken out right on the pad where it sits. The North koreans have time and time again shown that they will sell technology around the world to whomever. Be it missile, nuclear, whatever they have, they have shown they will sell it to whoever.
Question is, do you want the possibility of terrorist having all of that technology?? I for one don't!!

[Greyfox]

they shot off a missile what would you now do to NKorea to stop them from doing it again and what would you do for them firing this missile?

Too late to do anything now.
Newt said:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/20903.html

"Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich told “Fox News Sunday” that he would have disabled the long-range missile before North Korea launched it, saying too many people “do not appreciate the scale of the threat that is evolving on the planet.”

“One morning, just like 9/11, there’s going to be a disaster,” Gingrich said. “I have yet to see the United Nations do anything effective with either Iran or North Korea.”

Reacting to President Barack Obama’s speech in Prague, Gingrich called the plan for a Global Summit on Nuclear Security a “wonderful fantasy idea,” saying Russia and other nations can’t be trusted.

“What are they going to promise, and why would we believe them?” Gingrich said. “It’s very dangerous to have a fantasy foreign policy, and it can get you in enormous trouble.”

[Greyfox]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_nkorea_missile
South Korea and the U.S. military disputed North Korea's claim of a successful launch into space, saying the rocket fell into the ocean in stages.

[Greyfox]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/20901.html

PRAGUE – Just hours after North Korea launched a long-range rocket, President Barack Obama called for "a world without nuclear weapons" and said the United States has a “moral responsibility ” to lead the way, as the only nation ever to use them.

[Rookies]

Well, is the Newter's answer (disable it) the reply from the conservative side ? Is that it ??

North Korea can't do shit. It's a starving nation, forced into servitude by an autocrat and tryant. BUT, their older brother is China. Are you on side with letting THEM know your intentions OR is it going to be the Cuban Missle Crisis of 62 over again.

Very easy to say nothing is being done properly in response. Very difficult to calculate the correct one with rogue, protected nations.

[ArlJim78]

Newt is right. Obama is dangerously naive. he makes Jimmy Carter's foreign policy seem coherent and muscular.

in his speech he said something like "our nations must stand together shoulder to shoulder so North Korea will get the message".

yeah and we'll all be riding on flying unicorns too.

[Tom]

All the libs whined and cried back in 2001 about not connecting the dots.
We have more dots today that a kid with measles. Israel already took out an Iran-back nuke facility in Syria, now they are helping NK.

Ther is only one super-power left in the world today, one not afraid to stand up up to the islamic-menace. Just how much can we ask Israel to do?

[Quagmire]

Who's to say this missle doesn't contain a warhead ? Does anyone know where its headed ? How about the next one they launch ? I still say they're playing with matches and need to be dealt with accordingly . I don't trust N. Korea and particularly the brains ( or lack of ) in charge of assembling and launching these missles .


Satellites. But you could always duct tape your windows if you are frightened.

[Tom]

Good advice.
Remember those morons who failed with explosive trucks to bring down WTC, and then got nailed trying to get their deposit on the truck back?

Real clowns, who could they ever hurt?

[Marshall Bennett]

Satellites. But you could always duct tape your windows if you are frightened.
They say satellite , how much do you trust them ?

[Quagmire]

They say satellite , how much do you trust them ?


They are military satellites monitored by our military. I trust them alot. Don't you?

[cj's dad]

They are military satellites monitored by our military. I trust them alot. Don't you?

i trust our government a lot more than the government of the PRK where their people are eating "grass" for meals and where there are few cars on the road and the economy is f---ing zero,. Yeah, you want to trust them, go ahead.

As much as i despise some of our Congressional members, I will take what we have here in the USA vs. anyone- anyone else in the world.

BTW- flights leave daily for NK. Tourism packages are reasonably priced there!

[Quagmire]

i trust our government a lot more than the government of the PRK where their people are eating "grass" for meals and where there are few cars on the road and the economy is f---ing zero,. Yeah, you want to trust them, go ahead.

As much as i despise some of our Congressional members, I will take what we have here in the USA vs. anyone- anyone else in the world.

BTW- flights leave daily for NK. Tourism packages are reasonably priced there!


Where in my post did I say that I trust the Koreans. I said I trusted our (American) satellites and our military (American) that monitors them.

[Lefty]

While N. Korea is testing missiles and iran is pursuing Nukes Obama is cutting defense spending and that includes the missile defense prgm. Right now our abilty to stop a missile headed our way, is hit or miss, more a matter of luck than anything. Obama is cutting that prgm. what a genius...
He says N korea has broken ther rules and it's time for action. well, he's the pres, where's the action?
Wanna bet he just spews rhetoric and no action?

[Tom]

They all might have hated Bush ( I doubt it) but they sure as hell are laughing at this clown.
difference between Bush and Obama - you can hate someone and respect them. You can't respect someone you are laughing at. Obama is a bigger fool on the world's stage than Carter was.

[Greyfox]

The "Foo" bird

In ancient times there was a community known as the Goodnu's. As all communities did in these times the Goodnu's lived right on the river bank for trading, transportation and sustenance. Water was almighty and worshipped as a God. One day there was a tremendous hurricane far out in the ocean. It's ferocity blew a large flock of "Foo" birds way off course sending them inland many hundreds of miles and in the vicinity of the Goodnu's community. The Goodnu people had never seen a "Foo" bird and were quite curious as to it's sudden and obviously evil presence. The "Foo" bird, as we all know, is a very ugly, evil-looking bird. This caused the Goodnu people to become very uneasy believing they did something wrong to God and that this bird should be avoided. One day a "Foo" bird flew overhead and screeched: "Foo, Foo" and shit on a Goodnu's head. The man ran screaming into the river believing the Holy powers of the river would cleanse him of this evil turd and its consequences. As soon as the man washed this unholy turd from his ear canal he suddenly keeled over and died. The Goodnu's were now convinced of the "Foo" bird's evilness. The next day a woman was outside and heard: "Foo, Foo". Before she could react the "Foo" bird dropped a bomb landing a syrupy turd across her face. Shocked and panicked she ran into the river furiously washing her face of this sloppy stew. The village watched in horror as this woman also died once cleansed of the runny turd. The very next day a village wiseman heard those famous words: "Foo, Foo". He like others had witnessed the terrible deaths of two of his villages' people in the last two days. He too was struck right in the forehead by the "Foo" birds accurately guided turd missile. His first reaction was confusion and he sprinted towards the river. However, he stopped short and thought of his obvious demise should he cleanse the turd wafer from his forehead. He did not cleanse the poo pile from his forehead and lived. So the wiseman went to the other people of the village, gathered them around and stated to them: "There is an obvious lesson here my good people. The moral of this story is: 'If the Foo shits, wear it.'".