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boxcar
04-02-2009, 09:40 AM
Catching Wild Pigs
A chemistry professor in a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc.. While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time.
One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.
And remember one more thing: "A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."
Thomas Jefferson
Boxcar
P.S. For those of you who don't see what is happening in America, just say, oink, oink and go about eating your corn.
The Judge
04-02-2009, 10:14 AM
the point being I wonder why this Communist fighter is here rather then in his own country fighting Communism did he win ? I also wonder why he didn't mention the so-called Patriots Act as losing freedom a little at a time.
I am always a little sceptical of people from other countries where all hell is broken lose and they are in the United States giving advice.
ezrabrooks
04-02-2009, 10:27 AM
the point being I wonder why this Communist fighter is here rather then in his own country fighting Communism did he win ? I also wonder why he didn't mention the so-called Patriots Act as losing freedom a little at a time.
I am always a little sceptical of people from other countries where all hell is broken lose and they are in the United States giving advice.
You must have ducked...as that story couldn't have gone that far over your head.
Ez
HUSKER55
04-02-2009, 10:46 AM
why fight your own battles when the us will do it for you?
Notice we fight for everybody except ourselves?
Story is dead on target.
The Judge
04-02-2009, 10:59 AM
nothing on this board has gone ove my head what is posted on this board in off topcs isn't rocket science its all too easy to understand its, hate Obama, hate Democrats, hate the poor, hate anyone or anything that disagrees with the right wing point of view. What's to duck is this post or any of the others.
Some guy from is here from another country saying this country is becoming like the country he just left. Seems a well adjusted lad ask about a shoulder and he tells you a yarn about wild pigs and communism and pitch battles.
"I got a bullet in my shoulder fighting communism" sure and my limp is from an old football injury. A college chemistry class, wild pigs, communism , and a heroic bullet wound all in the same story maybe you should try ducking every now and then ezrabrooks.
Maybe he is just short! ;)
but as most revolutionary types, he really didn't say anything.
a guy could have no head and that won't even go over his shoulder.
You see , the issue is that the "pen" has already been constructed many many years ago. The "pen" in the last several years has just had some holes patched and maybe a little razor wire added on top when the pigs were asleep from gorging on their easy corn provided by the old pig hunter who is now too lazy and fat to care if the pen is kept up or not.
So, let's just open the gate of the "pen" and let the pigs forage on their own, they can do it , right , they ARE WILD pigs??
There are a few pigs that did not go into the pen , but ate the corn that was dropped outside the pen and they thought since they were not in the pen that they were still wild pigs. ????
At this point the revolutionary is now right at the gate of the pen sucking on the same corn as the pigs and really had done or said nothing to help the pigs get back to their former way of foraging, so what is the revolutionary NOW in our tale?
boxcar
04-02-2009, 12:23 PM
but as most revolutionary types, he really didn't say anything.
a guy could have no head and that won't even go over his shoulder.
You see , the issue is that the "pen" has already been constructed many many years ago. The "pen" in the last several years has just had some holes patched and maybe a little razor wire added on top when the pigs were asleep from gorging on their easy corn provided by the old pig hunter who is now too lazy and fat to care if the pen is kept up or not.
So, let's just open the gate of the "pen" and let the pigs forage on their own, they can do it , right , they ARE WILD pigs??
There are a few pigs that did not go into the pen , but ate the corn that was dropped outside the pen and they thought since they were not in the pen that they were still wild pigs. ????
At this point the revolutionary is now right at the gate of the pen sucking on the same corn as the pigs and really had done or said nothing to help the pigs get back to their former way of foraging, so what is the revolutionary NOW in our tale?
In your little "tale", I find no wild pigs who weren't fooled by the corn whether it was in or outside the pen. Does this glaring omission mean that you are a fool being fooled by the state's corn?
Boxcar
NJ Stinks
04-02-2009, 12:50 PM
Oink oink. :sleeping:
In your little "tale", I find no wild pigs who weren't fooled by the corn whether it was in or outside the pen. Does this glaring omission mean that you are a fool being fooled by the state's corn?
Boxcar
box , if the pen fits YOU must be in it.
:lol:
boxcar
04-02-2009, 01:21 PM
Oink oink. :sleeping:
We know all too well, NJS, that you're asleep even when it appears you're awake. Enjoy your dreams of biting into fresh, succulent, sweet yellow corn; for when you wake up, your nightmares will just begin. ("They did not understand until...")
Boxcar
boxcar
04-02-2009, 01:23 PM
box , if the pen fits YOU must be in it.
:lol:
You answered my question.
Boxcar
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/apr/06/00014/
Jimmy Carter’s “Crisis of Confidence” speech, delivered from the Oval Office on July 15, 1979, has long been a symbol of Democratic defeat—and defeatism. Republican politicians from presidents on down have used it to tar Democrats as the party of “malaise,” a word that Carter himself never uttered in the address.
Rarely has a speech so backfired. Yet what if the text, obscured by recriminations, turns out to be one of the most conservative presidential statements of the last 30 years?
Could Russell Kirk or Richard Weaver have said it any better if they were debating Ayn Rand? Carter defined freedom as self-sufficiency rather than the right to take resources from other nations for our own well-being. He even gave a nod to the populist “drill here, drill now” contingent who felt the country had enough resources already to be energy independent: “We will protect our environment. But when this nation critically needs a refinery or a pipeline we will build it. …We have more oil in our shale alone than several Saudi Arabias. We have more coal than any nation on earth
Self-sufficiency, discipline, sacrifice, conservation, independence, the striving for meaning and purpose beyond material wealth. All of these characteristics were once associated with conservatism, and they were all part of a speech given by a man who was naval officer, farmer and large landowner, small businessman, Sunday school teacher, and Southerner. Does this not sound the background of a conservative
Mr. Conservative himself, Barry Goldwater, said much the same thing when he accepted the Republican nomination in 1964: “There is a virtual despair among the many that look beyond material success for the inner meaning of their lives.” But just as Goldwater’s words were of no help in the year of Lyndon Johnson’s landslide, Carter’s words did not prevent his defeat in 1980
After what happened to Carter, no American politician today is brave enough to ask for limits. Bush I said that our way of life is non-negotiable. Bush II told Americans to go shopping after 9/11. President Obama says Americans “will not apologize for our way of life.” President Carter is remembered as a weak man—yet no politician now (outside of perhaps Ron Paul) has the guts to make a similarly bold speech during our current economic crisis.
I would add it's a shame what has been done to the people of this country and what used to be meant by "An American patriot".
:(
You answered my question.
Boxcar
keep reading after the stone is removed ....
BlueShoe
04-02-2009, 01:34 PM
As a postscript to the lead post,in virtually all of todays US universities the student would have been attacked and villified by the professor.The far left prof would have delivered a lecture about the evils of Capitalism,and insisting that the Communists that shot the young man were "freedom fighters acting on the will of the people,freeing them from their oppressors,the exploiters of the masses".He would then go on,telling the class that they should feel deep gratitude for the fences surrounding them for their "secure protection",and that they should eat the corn,knowing that their all caring government loved them.
As a postscript to the lead post,in virtually all of todays US universities the student would have been attacked and villified by the professor.The far left prof would have delivered a lecture about the evils of Capitalism,and insisting that the Communists that shot the young man were "freedom fighters acting on the will of the people,freeing them from their oppressors,the exploiters of the masses".He would then go on,telling the class that they should feel deep gratitude for the fences surrounding them for their "secure protection",and that they should eat the corn,knowing that their all caring government loved them.
just some red corn fed to another of the pigs in the pen.
BlueShoe
04-02-2009, 01:42 PM
In every American institute of higher learning you will find tenured educators with ideology and agendas exactly as I described.There are thousands of them all over the nation.
In every American institute of higher learning you will find tenured educators with ideology and agendas exactly as I described.There are thousands of them all over the nation.
soooooooooo??
just some red corn fed to another of the pigs in the pen
dav4463
04-02-2009, 03:46 PM
The Patriot Act is not a loss of our freedom. It is a necessary tool to combat terrorism.
We don't have complete freedom. Nobody should. The police watch what you do on the highway. Police watch neighborhoods.
Companys do background checks on employees.
Sex offenders are watched constantly.
Sure, it's a small loss of freedom, but it has to be done to protect us. It's not the same thing as implementing socialist policies.
dav4463
04-02-2009, 04:00 PM
Companys.....or companies? oops!
Speaking of wild pigs: I once stopped on a lonely country road to take a much needed bathroom break at about 2 am and while I stood out in the middle of nowhere.....I heard a snorting sound and looked up and saw a herd of wild pigs headed my way! Needless to say, I learned that you can turn it off immediately when you have to turn it off! I will find a convenience store from now on!
cj's dad
04-02-2009, 04:34 PM
Companys.....or companies? oops!
Speaking of wild pigs: I once stopped on a lonely country road to take a much needed bathroom break at about 2 am and while I stood out in the middle of nowhere.....I heard a snorting sound and looked up and saw a herd of wild pigs headed my way! Needless to say, I learned that you can turn it off immediately when you have to turn it off! I will find a convenience store from now on!
Must have been in Arkansas !?!
boxcar
04-02-2009, 09:06 PM
keep reading after the stone is removed ....
I already have your number. You can easily be summed up with just a one liner. After that, there's nothing more to know about you.
Boxcar
ezrabrooks
04-02-2009, 09:15 PM
Must have been in Arkansas !?!
I am betting he was within 50-60 miles from Dallas-Fort Worth.. They are becoming a real nuisance in the rural areas..
Ez
Marshall Bennett
04-02-2009, 09:19 PM
I am betting he was within 50-60 miles from Dallas-Fort Worth.. They are becoming a real nuisance in the rural areas..
Ez
Van Zandt County east of Dallas is over-run with them . A friend of mine lives near Terrell and walks 5 miles every morning ... with a shotgun .
dav4463
04-03-2009, 01:22 AM
I am betting he was within 50-60 miles from Dallas-Fort Worth.. They are becoming a real nuisance in the rural areas..
Ez
Good call! I was between Jacksboro and Graham headed towards Denton! Highway 67 at 2 am is not a good place to be! One time a little further up the road I saw a man in a jumpsuit with a lot of hair and a full beard. When he saw my headlights; he jumped a barbed wire fence and ran off into the pasture! I was thinking werewolves might really exist that night! I used to drive that way late at night coming back from my parents house. I don't drive there late at night much anymore!
ezrabrooks
04-03-2009, 07:53 AM
Good call! I was between Jacksboro and Graham headed towards Denton! Highway 67 at 2 am is not a good place to be! One time a little further up the road I saw a man in a jumpsuit with a lot of hair and a full beard. When he saw my headlights; he jumped a barbed wire fence and ran off into the pasture! I was thinking werewolves might really exist that night! I used to drive that way late at night coming back from my parents house. I don't drive there late at night much anymore!
Back to the analogy of the original pig story, the guy in the jump suit was probably the Government, moving under cover of darkness to round up all of the pigs who were to independent to get caught by the free corn under fence.
Graham to Jacksboro, know that route well.
Ez
boxcar
04-03-2009, 10:14 PM
And while on the subject of luring pigs en masse into pens with "free" handouts ("corn" for those of you dull of mind) -- did anyone catch the late segment of the Rush's show today? I caught part of it on my radio while driving and apparently Larry King had a famous magician on as guest (his name escapes me) who happens to be a Libertarian. Anyhoo....Larry is spewing his usual statist drivel and this libertarian wasn't having anything of it. He did a very good job of defending Individualism and Individual Liberties. But Larry's retort went along these lines (paraphrasing from memory) "If someone doesn't do the thinking for the masses, who will?".
In other words, King's defense for Collectivism was summed up in the above question! To King's mind, it was a rhetorical question because the only answer is that the Masses are Asses. Individuals aren't adequately equipped or capable of making decisions -- not even relatively unimportant ones. The State, therefore, must do the thinking for The People, i.e. the masses.
When I heard King's remarks, I remembered BO's feelings about the Constitution. When he made his remarks, he not only lamented the government's limited powers imposed by the Founding Fathers, but went on to say that the document should have granted more power to the state by declaring what government "MUST DO for the people".
I would say that BO and King and two little peas in a pod. But since King is outside government, doesn't this mean that he's part of the masses, too? He's just one of us little people. Not capable of thinking for himself -- which also renders his ideology or philosophy questionable at best. His statement is, in fact, self-defeating because as someone incapable of making decisions (including what's best and what isn't), his opinion is meaningless! He's not equipped to decide such things (especially something as important as this!). The State must do it for him! But, of course, King being a blind sheeple can't see his mental blunder -- probably because he has deceived himself into believing that, as one of the elite, he's better than "the masses".
Boxcar
PaceAdvantage
04-04-2009, 03:15 AM
nothing on this board has gone ove my head what is posted on this board in off topcs isn't rocket science its all too easy to understand its, hate Obama, hate Democrats, hate the poor, hate anyone or anything that disagrees with the right wing point of view. What's to duck is this post or any of the others.I'm curious. What was your view of the board from 2001-2009? It couldn't have possibly been "hate Obama, hate Democrats, hate the poor, hate anyone or anything that disagrees with the right wing point of view."
My guess is it must have been "hate Bush, hate Republicans, hate the rich, hate anyone or anything that disagrees with the left wing point of view." Because that's all I was reading here during that time.
But I don't recall any such rant from you...odd....
witchdoctor
04-04-2009, 09:46 AM
Obama stopped by Arkansas on the way back to DC. The govenor gave the President 2 baby razorbacks. As he got off Marine one, a marine said to him "Nice piglets sir." The President said "These are Arkansas razorbacks. I got them for Hillary and Pelosi."
The soldier said "Nice trade sir."
The Judge
04-04-2009, 10:43 AM
is there a way to do a count. If so I would bet that there has been more anti -Obama posts then Bush, if not more at least close. We are talking 8 years vs. less then 100 days.
boxcar
04-04-2009, 11:21 AM
is there a way to do a count. If so I would bet that there has been more anti -Obama posts then Bush, if not more at least close. We are talking 8 years vs. less then 100 days.
And we're also talking about a much bigger supply of BO-provided fodder.
Boxcar
is there a way to do a count. If so I would bet that there has been more anti -Obama posts then Bush, if not more at least close. We are talking 8 years vs. less then 100 days.
And if there are......so what?
is there a way to do a count. If so I would bet that there has been more anti -Obama posts then Bush, if not more at least close. We are talking 8 years vs. less then 100 days.About right( :rolleyes: ). But they don't see past their blatant hypocrisy.
Apropos this thread, "Some Pigs are More Equal Than Others."
The right wing blowhards that can't get enough of their own silly echo chamber.
boxcar
04-05-2009, 12:47 PM
About right( :rolleyes: ). But they don't see past their blatant hypocrisy.
Apropos this thread, "Some Pigs are More Equal Than Others."
The right wing blowhards that can't get enough of their own silly echo chamber.
Let me spell it out for you 'cap -- and for Judge, as well, assuming either one of you can comprehend what I'm saying. "100 days" of BO = more fodder (a/k/a "ammunition" for the mentally challenged) than 8 years of Bush. Even your comrade Light concedes that BO is taking a lot of heat from left wing radicals. Therefore, not all "Pigs are More Equal Than Others", and rightfully so, because some pigs are worthy of more criticism -- just like some convicted criminal pigs are worthy of harsher penalties than others due to the extent or severity of the crimes.
The only hypocrisy here is that which exists in your delusional mind.
Have a good one,
Boxcar
The Judge
04-05-2009, 02:16 PM
I know you will not be able to comprehen what is being said. You simply make things up and try to pass it off as a fact. 100 days of Obama =more fodder than 8 years of Bush you must be joking.
9-11 ,Bush; lying to start a war that took thousands of innocent American lives, Bush; economic collapse, Bush. Of course I could go on but whats the point you and your gang of 7 simply blame it all on Obama, the Democracts, Clinton, Carter, Pelosi, the left or liberals anyway.
Obama has become an obession with the right on this Board and of course just like the Republican Party not one suggestion as to what to do about any of the problems facing the country. Well I do remember 1 no bail out. With Bush the left always had a plan for him that would have done this country and the world the most good. The plan was for Bush to STOP just don't do anything, he wouldln't listen.
See you over on the North Korea Missile launch thread where you right wingers can tell us what you would do to NKorea for putting up a missile. In the real world the answer is nothing but you can beat on your chest and say I would shoot it down, drop a bomb on it in the launching pad, and all sorts of manly things. At the end you can say "Obama", then move on.
boxcar
04-05-2009, 03:45 PM
I know you will not be able to comprehen what is being said. You simply make things up and try to pass it off as a fact. 100 days of Obama =more fodder than 8 years of Bush you must be joking.
9-11 ,Bush; lying to start a war that took thousands of innocent American lives, Bush
You have zero room to talk about anyone making things up and passing it off as fact because coming right out of the chute, it has never been PROVED that Bush intentionally lied to the American people. This is merely the radical left's assumption. Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Show us the proof.
Obama has become an obession with the right on this Board and of course just like the Republican Party not one suggestion as to what to do about any of the problems facing the country. Well I do remember 1 no bail out. With Bush the left always had a plan for him that would have done this country and the world the most good. The plan was for Bush to STOP just don't do anything, he wouldln't listen.
Wrong again! I, as well as others, have repeated stated that the best course of action for these failed companies is to make use of the bankruptcy laws. And Bush should shoulder a big part of the blame, as you have implied above. But what does this mean? BO gets a free ride for signing on to a bad plan? :bang: :bang:
And as far as the "stimulus package" goes that supposedly designed to jump start the economy, I have stated that if BO was really interested in helping taxpayers (as opposed to non-taxpayers), all he had to do was suspend the income tax for a year. But instead, we're supposed to buy into the BS that the $13. or so a week (that will wind up being taxable!!!) that many of us will be receiving in our paychecks is supposed to do the trick. BO would be the most laughable clown that has ever disgraced the Oval office, if I didn't think that he wants to deliberately tank the economy even further, so that he can declare that we're in a state of more urgent crises, which would provide him with more opportunities to not waste any good crisis that would serve to advance his Marxist agenda.
See you over on the North Korea Missile launch thread where you right wingers can tell us what you would do to NKorea for putting up a missile. In the real world the answer is nothing but you can beat on your chest and say I would shoot it down, drop a bomb on it in the launching pad, and all sorts of manly things. At the end you can say "Obama", then move on.
The solution was easy: We (as in "unilaterally"!) should have shoved a cruise missile down the throat of the launch pad or silo to teach that pot-belly, poor-excuse-for-a-human-being a lesson. End of story.
Anything else on which you're not clear?
Boxcar
Obama has become an obession with the right on this Board and of course just like the Republican Party not one suggestion as to what to do about any of the problems facing the country. Well I do remember 1 no bail out. With Bush the left always had a plan for him that would have done this country and the world the most good. The plan was for Bush to STOP just don't do anything, he wouldln't listen.
Hilarious! I don't even know how to respond to anything this devoid of thought! :lol::lol::lol:
boxcar
04-05-2009, 05:10 PM
Hilarious! I don't even know how to respond to anything this devoid of thought! :lol::lol::lol:
You're soooo right, Tom. I wonder what the left's grand "plan" for Bush was. :rolleyes:
Boxcar
The Judge
04-05-2009, 08:22 PM
and what might that be, giving money to the capitalist banks and auto industry so they can remain in business, saving them from bankruptcy/or receivership. Some Marxist he is.
As for as knocking out the NKorean missile as it sits on the launching pad, do you think that might cause NKorea to attack SKorea? Do you think SKorea might that would be a bad idea? What about China what do you think their response would be? Where is the Republican plan as to what to do? Do they think striking their missile is a good idea?
Lets see bomb Iran, bomb Iraq, bomb Pakistan,bomb Palestine, bomb NKorea, thats quite a plan you guys have. Is it new?
Prove Bush lied, now what is this an attempt on your part to rewrite history. There were Weapons of Mass Distruction which was the excuse spoon fed to the public for starting the war. If its not a lie where are the weapons.
boxcar
04-05-2009, 08:53 PM
and what might that be, giving money to the capitalist banks and auto industry so they can remain in business, saving them from bankruptcy/or receivership. Some Marxist he is.
In totalitarian states, guess who runs the businesses? Look up the term "fascism" as it relates to economies to see what it means. Let me help you out:
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
You are so naive, it's beyond describing the depths of your ignorance and blindness. You think that the government is doing all these bailouts for altruistic or even some virtuous reasons? :bang: :bang: Let me give you a clue: It's all about the POWER. About CONTROL. About government takeover of the private sector piece by piece.
I have never yet heard BO say one positive thing about Capitalism. Quite to the contrary. He constantly tells us that Capitalism is the culprit to all our domestic woes. And you don't think that BO and the rest of his Marxist thugs in D.C. don't believe for moment that the State has all the answers? That the State can turn everything around? That the State must be put in charge, lest the forces of the free markets in Capitalism run amok and run this country into the ground?
As for as knocking out the NKorean missile as it sits on the launching pad, do you think that might cause NKorea to attack SKorea? Do you think SKorea might that would be a bad idea? What about China what do you think their response would be? Where is the Republican plan as to what to do? Do they think striking their missile is a good idea?
First off, since we're essentially the big boys on SK's block protecting them -- providing them with security -- then we should get to call the shots. If SK doesn't like the way we protect them or like our foreign policy, we can get out and let them fend for themselves. I don't have a problem with that. SK needs us far more than we need them.
Secondly, I don't think that two-bit dictator is going to risk a war. And I don't think China, at this point in time, is going to get involved because they're into to us for tooooo much money and they like the bucks they get in trading with us. I don't see China wanting to give that up or risk losing money over an ego-maniacal low-life Kim Jong-il who doesn't have two dimes to rub together.
Boxcar
Warren Henry
04-05-2009, 09:11 PM
You can't prove that Bush deliberately lied because he probably didn't.
He did want to change the regime in Iraq because he felt that would usher in stability in that region. Was that misguided? Perhaps. While even I would argue that the US probably shouldn't do this kind of thing, history might ultimately prove the validity of his belief.
Did Bush ask his intelligence folks to provide evidence of WMD? Perhaps. Did the intelligence folks get a little over zealous in proving the presence of WMD? Perhaps. Were people misled (maybe even Bush)? Perhaps.
But, did Bush deliberately lie about the presence of WMD with full knowledge that there was none present? Not likely.
If Bush had known that there were no weapons of mass destruction, he could have easily had some planted to cover his butt.
Ranting and raving and frothing at the mouth doesn't PROVE anything.
Why is there so little logical thinking on the left.
Marshall Bennett
04-05-2009, 09:16 PM
You can't prove that Bush deliberately lied because he probably didn't.
He did want to change the regime in Iraq because he felt that would usher in stability in that region. Was that misguided? Perhaps. While even I would argue that the US probably shouldn't do this kind of thing, history might ultimately prove the validity of his belief.
Did Bush ask his intelligence folks to provide evidence of WMD? Perhaps. Did the intelligence folks get a little over zealous in proving the presence of WMD? Perhaps. Were people misled (maybe even Bush)? Perhaps.
But, did Bush deliberately lie about the presence of WMD with full knowledge that there was none present? Not likely.
If Bush had known that there were no weapons of mass destruction, he could have easily had some planted to cover his butt.
Ranting and raving and frothing at the mouth doesn't PROVE anything.
Why is there so little logical thinking on the left.
Well Done . :ThmbUp:
You can't prove that Bush deliberately lied because he probably didn't.
He did want to change the regime in Iraq because he felt that would usher in stability in that region. Was that misguided? Perhaps. While even I would argue that the US probably shouldn't do this kind of thing, history might ultimately prove the validity of his belief.
Did Bush ask his intelligence folks to provide evidence of WMD? Perhaps. Did the intelligence folks get a little over zealous in proving the presence of WMD? Perhaps. Were people misled (maybe even Bush)? Perhaps.
But, did Bush deliberately lie about the presence of WMD with full knowledge that there was none present? Not likely.
If Bush had known that there were no weapons of mass destruction, he could have easily had some planted to cover his butt.
Ranting and raving and frothing at the mouth doesn't PROVE anything.
Why is there so little logical thinking on the left.
Well Done . :ThmbUp:
Delusional bullticky. :ThmbDown:
boxcar
04-05-2009, 11:03 PM
Delusional bullticky. :ThmbDown:
Why are so you negative all time? :lol: :lol:
Boxcar
PaceAdvantage
04-05-2009, 11:39 PM
is there a way to do a count. If so I would bet that there has been more anti -Obama posts then Bush, if not more at least close. We are talking 8 years vs. less then 100 days.Yes, you're correct. In less than 100 days, there have been more anti-Obama posts than anti-Bush posts over the last eight years.
Please wager more in the pari-mutuel pools kind sir!
NJ Stinks
04-06-2009, 12:48 AM
Why is there so little logical thinking on the left.
Warren Henry, you are going to love this place.
boxcar
04-06-2009, 07:51 AM
Warren Henry, you are going to love this place.
Just like you do, NJS. ;)
Boxcar
The Judge
04-06-2009, 09:58 AM
Bush didn't lie, giving money to banks ,the engine of capitalism ,with no strings attached (you remember you right wingers were making this a point of contention not too long ago ) makes you a marxist/fascist "Alice" would be recognize this place right off the bat.
The Judge
04-06-2009, 10:03 AM
Bush didn't lie, giving money to banks ,the engine of capitalism ,with no strings attached (you remember you right wingers were making this a point of contention not too long ago ) makes you a marxist/fascist "Alice" would be recognize this place right off the bat.
Obama the fascist wanted the banks to lend out the money to losen credit instead the banks horded the money and want a new batch to lend out (so they say) yet Obama the facist does nothing. Who running what and who is running whom!
Warren Henry
04-06-2009, 11:29 AM
Obama the fascist wanted the banks to lend out the money to losen credit instead the banks horded the money and want a new batch to lend out (so they say) yet Obama the facist does nothing. Who running what and who is running whom!
"the banks" as you refer to them (especially AIG), booked some bad debts. They basically sold guarantees that the sliced and diced mortgage loans wouldn't fail. When they failed, they owed the bettors on the other side. The reason that none of the money got loaned was that it went to pay off the other institutions or speculators who bet the other side of the proposition. As gamblers/bettors, we should understand this concept.
The Judge
04-06-2009, 05:28 PM
What difference would that make to a Marxist/Fascist. If a fascist wanted the money loaned out then how does a bank stand-up against such a person. You see that is proof that he is not such a person.
A Marxist/ Fascist wouldn't give a bank money to stay in business would he? It was a perfect opportunity to put the banks into receivership instead he gives them no strings attached money. The right wingers wanted receivership why did he give them money to stay out of receivership. As a Marxist/ Fascist all he had to do was accommodate the right wing the set-up was perfect. What flavor of Marxist/Fascist is it that passes on such an opportunity?
lsbets
04-06-2009, 05:38 PM
Judge, you normally make very little sense, now you are making none at all. I think there might be a thought in your posts somewhere, but I can't seem to understand your attempts at English.
boxcar
04-06-2009, 06:40 PM
Judge, you normally make very little sense, now you are making none at all. I think there might be a thought in your posts somewhere, but I can't seem to understand your attempts at English.
He probably graduated with honors at Dumb Down U. Now wonder at all, he's a statist; for he needs all the help he can get.
Boxcar
The Judge
04-06-2009, 08:50 PM
because you disagree you seem to be able to make thru every post that you agree with on this board no matter how poorly constructed.
step 1. Boxcar called the President a Marxist/Fascist in spite of the fact that he bailed out the capitalist banks. Explain that and then we can move on.
boxcar
04-06-2009, 09:05 PM
because you disagree you seem to be able to make thru every post that you agree with on this board no matter how poorly constructed.
step 1. Boxcar called the President a Marxist/Fascist in spite of the fact that he bailed out the capitalist banks. Explain that and then we can move on.
Look up the term "fascism" as this applies to economies. I'd do it for you, but you need to learn how to be resourceful and self-reliant. In short -- you need to extricate yourself from the muck and mire of statism.
Boxcar
BlueShoe
04-06-2009, 09:48 PM
"Boxcar called the President a Marxist/Facist in spite of the fact that he bailed out the capitalist banks.Explain that and then we can move on". Answer:
"The best way to destroy the Capitalist system is to debauch the currency".
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
The Judge
04-06-2009, 10:05 PM
fascism can't explain why a Marxist/Fascist President would help a capitalist bank out of its mess by giving it money. All he had to do was nothing and the banks would have gone into receivership.
Blueshoe
Debauched currency? If sound currency was all that was holding up this country, we would have been underwater when we left the gold standard.
boxcar
04-06-2009, 10:11 PM
fascism can't explain why a Marxist/Fascist President would help a capitalist bank out of its mess by giving it money. All he had to do was nothing and the banks would have gone into receivership.
Blueshoe
Debauched currency? If sound currency was all that was holding up this country, we would have been underwater when we left the gold standard.
You get a big fat F on both answers. You were either too lazy or too uncomfortable to learn what facism is, weren't you? Stay stuck in the muck and mire because this is where your comfort zone is.
Boxcar
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