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alhattab
04-01-2009, 08:12 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news?slug=ap-churchill-nightracing&prov=ap&type=lgns

Night racing will eventually become "normal". Most people work during the day. Moving racing to nights or late afternoons on weekdays will help drive interest from the most of us that either do or wish to work during normal business hours. Baseball figured this out 30 or 40 years ago and that sport seems to have done ok while racing has languished. Hard to fathom any customer-oriented reason why racing hasn't similarly embraced holding its events later in the day. In my view the major tracks starting cards at 4 or 5 pm is a certified no-brainer. Sure you may have the Philly Parks, the Portland Meadows or the Presque Isles of the world sticking to the early afternoon slots, or even the shorter meets like Keeneland or Saratoga doing same, but generally speaking the major meets ought to have post times that actually allow normal people to participate in the live event.

JustRalph
04-01-2009, 11:31 PM
with a 6p post in June.........there won't be much "Night racing" going on.......

hell, it's light until 9:15 or later

vikingrob
04-02-2009, 12:09 AM
The timing of this (including news media) and the fact that there is nothing in the news content on CD's website leads me to think this might be a perfectly-executed April Fool's hoax.

andicap
04-02-2009, 06:59 AM
The timing of this (including news media) and the fact that there is nothing in the news content on CD's website leads me to think this might be a perfectly-executed April Fool's hoax.

As a former PR person I can tell you no company/group would post a notice on their site until it had final approval to do so. Sounds to me like the AP writer picked up a local report and called Asher at CD.

Will it work? I'm not sure. Did Hollywood Park or Bay Meadows see any upside to their Friday night racing? How has Turfway's Friday night handle improved?
Are any of these people becoming long-term fans? Is there any industry research to suggest that any of these nighttime experiments have brought in new fans to the game?

If it's helped Turfway, it's worth a try of course. Nothing to lose.

andicap
04-02-2009, 07:00 AM
with a 6p post in June.........there won't be much "Night racing" going on.......

hell, it's light until 9:15 or later

I realize you're kind of kidding but..

story notes last race will be at 11 p.m. for 11-race card. And it doesn't have to be dark to be considered nighttime.

Doc
04-02-2009, 11:14 AM
I hate night racing. Gimme a day soaking up the sun at a track like Monmouth Park, a program in one hand and a brewski in the other ... besides, I usually hit the sack about 10 p.m. :sleeping:

SMOO
04-02-2009, 01:05 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/rah/news?slug=ap-churchill-nightracing&prov=ap&type=lgns

Night racing will eventually become "normal". Most people work during the day. Moving racing to nights or late afternoons on weekdays will help drive interest from the most of us that either do or wish to work during normal business hours. Baseball figured this out 30 or 40 years ago and that sport seems to have done ok while racing has languished. Hard to fathom any customer-oriented reason why racing hasn't similarly embraced holding its events later in the day. In my view the major tracks starting cards at 4 or 5 pm is a certified no-brainer. Sure you may have the Philly Parks, the Portland Meadows or the Presque Isles of the world sticking to the early afternoon slots, or even the shorter meets like Keeneland or Saratoga doing same, but generally speaking the major meets ought to have post times that actually allow normal people to participate in the live event.

:ThmbUp:

It really is stupid to race when most people are at work. I would keep day racing for weekends & holidays only.

ENT222
04-02-2009, 02:37 PM
night racing is the best, sure miss friday nights at the rock, seriously bring that back even if its the harness at night, turf racing should atleast brought back in some manner

JustRalph
04-02-2009, 06:33 PM
I realize you're kind of kidding but..


:ThmbUp:

onefast99
04-02-2009, 06:41 PM
I hate night racing. Gimme a day soaking up the sun at a track like Monmouth Park, a program in one hand and a brewski in the other ... besides, I usually hit the sack about 10 p.m. :sleeping:
Monmouth needs a Friday 3pm start or later!

swami13
04-02-2009, 11:20 PM
:ThmbUp:

It really is stupid to race when most people are at work. I would keep day racing for weekends & holidays only.


I've thought this for years, they bitch about not being able to compete with the casinos and then run a lot of their product in the early afternoon of a work day. :bang:
I always thought a 200 or 300 CST post time would be best to capture the late afternoon getting off of work crowd.

NJ Stinks
04-03-2009, 01:52 AM
Just wanted to point out that Garden State, Atlantic City Racecourse, and the Meadowlands all ran at night. GS is gone, AC just about gone, and NJ is thinking about running only harness at Med.

andicap
04-03-2009, 06:14 AM
I used to see a lot of people at the Yonkers Raceway slot machines during the day.
Besides night racing is no panacea. People do other stuff at night: Watch TV, go to dinner, movies, etc. Plus they have to work the next day, many get up very early. You've got to deal with your kids, etc Even handicappers get tired at night and don't want to do anything cerebral -- they just want to vedge out (We have to remember most people are not like us)

Let me tell you something: When I lived in the States I played the daytime races. Now I worked at home so I'm not typical I admit. BUT, when i moved to the U.K, I thought, "Great. I can play the races at night since there's a five-hour time difference."

WRONG.

I can't do anything until about 3-3:30 ET because there's
a) picking up my daughter at her afterschool
b) starting dinner
c) eating dinner
d) family time
e) helping put my daughter to bed.

So that allows only the last few East Coast races -- and since I'm not able to follow the early races I don't really know what's been going on at the tracks.
Or the West Coast races. Short fields at GG, not much better at SA and a parade of chalk at Turf Paradise.

Besides by 9 p.m. I'm dog tired and not really able to focus all that much on handicapping.

So things are not always what they seem.

arno
04-03-2009, 08:58 AM
Del Mar similar to Monmouth is a summer track near the ocean.

Del Mar figures take the family to the beach in the morning and the family can still make the early double as post time is 2 O' Clock.

Monmouth keeps first race post at 1 O' Clock to cater to their 75 yr old clientele who want to bet the first at Philly at 12:25.

Maybe Monmouth should make 1st race 230 every day and cater to the non geritol type.

I guarantee their handle would rise their last few races when their competion would be just Del Mar as Saratoga's card would be finished.

Speed Figure
04-03-2009, 12:05 PM
I can't see why Saratoga would not try a night racing card!

Fingal
04-03-2009, 01:12 PM
Why not ? This idea is being geared toward the new race goer, not the established one. They already have that person, they're trying to get the new one. No night racing ? That'd be like Churchill on Ky. Derby Day with their 100,000+ crowds saying "Sorry, only "true longtime race fans " can be here. Your money is no good ". This may bring in new people, it may not. They may come back, they may not. But, they are going to be there on that day. And it plants a seed that may grow.

Quagmire
04-03-2009, 01:21 PM
If they ran the Derby during primetime I bet it would get decent ratings.

toussaud
04-03-2009, 02:03 PM
I used to see a lot of people at the Yonkers Raceway slot machines during the day.
Besides night racing is no panacea. People do other stuff at night: Watch TV, go to dinner, movies, etc. Plus they have to work the next day, many get up very early. You've got to deal with your kids, etc Even handicappers get tired at night and don't want to do anything cerebral -- they just want to vedge out (We have to remember most people are not like us)

Let me tell you something: When I lived in the States I played the daytime races. Now I worked at home so I'm not typical I admit. BUT, when i moved to the U.K, I thought, "Great. I can play the races at night since there's a five-hour time difference."

WRONG.

I can't do anything until about 3-3:30 ET because there's
a) picking up my daughter at her afterschool
b) starting dinner
c) eating dinner
d) family time
e) helping put my daughter to bed.

So that allows only the last few East Coast races -- and since I'm not able to follow the early races I don't really know what's been going on at the tracks.
Or the West Coast races. Short fields at GG, not much better at SA and a parade of chalk at Turf Paradise.

Besides by 9 p.m. I'm dog tired and not really able to focus all that much on handicapping.

So things are not always what they seem.


and by now, you can't bet anyway becuase it's 11am on a friday. your problem is not that you can't bet at night, your problem is that you are too busy to handicap a race period.

but there are pepole out there who dont' have those obligationa (like myself) that find having to get up at the wee hours of the morning, hit the gym, and then have to try to squeeze work and horse racing around each other if I want to catch a good race in the weekday.