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highnote
03-28-2009, 05:59 PM
The letter below is from Cary Fotias urging horseplayers to support HANA's call for targeted wagering at Will Rogers Downs on Tuesday, March 28th, 2009. The specific race to be targeted will be decided upon as soon as entries are drawn. Keep checking back at the HANA site. We'll try to post it here, too.

PS
PA -- this might not belong here. So move if necessary. It seemed like it is a general racing discussion topic, though. Thx.

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Hi Everybody --



HANA (Horseplayer’s Association of North America) is a grass roots player’s organization that desires broad changes in the game we love. As a member of the HANA Advisory Board, I encourage all of you to join if you haven’t already. Membership is free and the more members we have, the louder our collective voice will be. There is a link to the HANA homepage on the Equiform homepage.



As an independent entity, HANA is beholden to no one except its members. Players are the economic engine that drives the game, but our concerns are rarely addressed and almost never acted upon. This must change for racing to have any hope of prospering in the future.



Mike Mayo and Ross Gallo of HANA have come up with a clever way to show track management how bettors acting in unison can significantly impact handle. By supporting tracks that heed our call for change, we strengthen them while weakening those that don’t listen to us.



This initiative will take time and a much larger player base if we are to have an effect at big-handle tracks. But if industry leaders and short-sighted politicians can’t see the benefit in listening to their best customers, we must deliver an economic jolt that rocks their pocketbooks. Only then, will we see ACTION.



It’s easy to throw in the towel and just watch the game slowly wither away. To be honest, I’ve felt like that myself sometimes. I was a member of the NTRA Players Panel. We made over 60 recommendations at the 2004 Handicapping Expo, and nothing of major import has been remedied. In 2007, I worked with Ron Geary of Ellis Park to institute a 4% takeout on the Pick-4. Handle on the wager increased significantly (one Saturday, it was the third highest handle P-4 in the country behind DMR and SAR) but not nearly as much as it should have.



Of this, I am sure - Nothing substantive will change unless players themselves take dramatic and radical action. As long as we perpetuate the industry myth that we don’t really care, that myth becomes a reality. If we had mustered the support to put $200,000 a day into the Ellis Pick-4 (I bet $400-600 a day myself), we would have delivered a very strong message regarding takeout rates.



One thing that bothered me during the Ellis experiment was people saying they didn’t like the quality of races in some of the 4% P-4s. Some said they would rather play Saratoga with a 25% take. Come on guys and gals! Have you ever heard of taking one for the home team? At 4%, how bad could it hurt? Isn’t demonstrating to the industry the long-term benefits of lower take-out rates more important than the field quality of a particular Pick-4?

Click on the link below to see Mayo and Gallo’s idea and how you can participate.





http://blog.horseplayersassociation.org/2009/03/guest-post-united-we-stand.html



Who cares about the quality of the field at Will Rogers Downs, or anywhere else for that matter? Get in the pools and mix it up for the cause.



I repeat – Nothing will change without concerted action. Until you realize we are at war and become a revolutionary, you will perpetuate the myth. Please go to the HANA homepage at http://horseplayersassociation.org/ and sign up NOW.







Declaration of Horseplayer Independence



When in the course of racing events, it becomes necessary for horseplayers to dissolve the financial bands which have connected them to insensitive racetrack owners and short-sighted state legislatures, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the rightful station to which they are entitled, they should declare the causes which impel them to action.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all horseplayers are endowed with certain unalienable rights, that among these are market-driven takeout rates, sterner drug policies, the integrity of the wagering pools and the embracing of new technologies that could make it easy to bet on any race, anywhere, at anytime.


Cary Fotias

HANA Advisory Board

InsideThePylons-MW
03-28-2009, 06:20 PM
In 2007, I worked with Ron Geary of Ellis Park to institute a 4% takeout on the Pick-4. Handle on the wager increased significantly (one Saturday, it was the third highest handle P-4 in the country behind DMR and SAR) but not nearly as much as it should have.



Of this, I am sure - Nothing substantive will change unless players themselves take dramatic and radical action. As long as we perpetuate the industry myth that we don’t really care, that myth becomes a reality. If we had mustered the support to put $200,000 a day into the Ellis Pick-4 (I bet $400-600 a day myself), we would have delivered a very strong message regarding takeout rates.

Does Cary realize that a bunch of outlets did not allow betting on the Ellis P-4?

I couldn't bet it through a pari-mutuel outlet and I wanted to. It's almost as if he's blaming the horseplayers for it's failure instead of the real culprits.

Great way to motivate the troops....wrongfully blame the troops for the Ellis P-4 demise.

DanG
03-28-2009, 06:29 PM
Thanks for posting that John.

highnote
03-28-2009, 06:36 PM
Thanks for posting that John.


My pleasure. Fotias' passion for the game is obvious. He is the Thomas Paine of horseplayers. :ThmbUp:

PaceAdvantage
03-28-2009, 07:02 PM
It's good to see that folks are once again talking "buycott" and targeting minor league tracks for maximum impact. Remember when we did this two years ago?

www.paceadvantage.com/PressRelease_Aug2607_ALB.htm (http://www.paceadvantage.com/PressRelease_Aug2607_ALB.htm)

Indulto
03-28-2009, 07:29 PM
Something like the Ellis Park P4 would have been an excellent target because of the potential payoff at a place the industry was watching. Was Ellis and its P4 playable by ontrack betters elsewhere as well as through ADWs?.

I don't plan on opening an on-line account until I hear more about California's allegedly changing rebate policy, but pouring money into a single race at a small-pool venue I've never heard of sounds questionable +since a mass of misinformed money might be too tempting a target for mischief by the locals with advance notice.

Good luck to those who can participate. I do like the idea of a full field of non-maidens. Do they have dime supers? Is there any bet more attractive to small bankroll bettors?

I would like to see this procott program targeting major tracks like KEE (#1) and HAW (#8) who are proving themselves to be player-friendly and/or HANA-supportive. Perhaps either or both would card a competitive overnight hcp or alw race (the HANA Handle enHancement Handicap? ;)) and promote it to their and HANA's mutual benefit.

highnote
03-28-2009, 07:42 PM
It's good to see that folks are once again talking "buycott" and targeting minor league tracks for maximum impact. Remember when we did this two years ago?

www.paceadvantage.com/PressRelease_Aug2607_ALB.htm (http://www.paceadvantage.com/PressRelease_Aug2607_ALB.htm)


It looks like it was successful last time at ALB. It should be better this time. HANA and others have made a concerted effort to get the word out to as many horseplayers as possible.

I like your press release. Hopefully, this buycott will also help open up the signals to many more outlets.

It looks like Will Rogers Downs has good distribution.

NJ Stinks
03-28-2009, 09:47 PM
I played that Ellis Pick 4 every chance I got. My problem was DRF excluded Ellis most days Ellis ran from DRF's eastern edition. I asked DRF to put Ellis PP's in every day Ellis ran to help the Pick 4 handle since they claim to be on the side of horseplayers. But they never did.

Tuffmug
03-28-2009, 11:41 PM
Betting some crappy races en masse in Lower Bum**** does not show our power! We must adversely affect the handle of the high takeout tracks and let them know we are doing so directly and specifically.

njcurveball
03-28-2009, 11:46 PM
I would like to help, but NJ does not carry WRD.

Good luck guys! :ThmbUp:

Jim

miesque
03-29-2009, 12:58 AM
I just wanted to make a few comments which I hope will provide some additional clarity. First and foremost, while its always important to keep the big picture in mind, the required initial steps which provide the necessary foundation to achieve such goals tend to be more basic. To use an example, there is a noted progression between learning how to walk and running in the Boston Marathon. Second, track availability unfortunately continues to be an issue that should be a non-issue and as such is prone to impacting this sort of endeavor in some capacity regardless of which way you zig or zag and is an excellent illustration of the level of dysfunction present throughout in the industry. Lastly, I encourage those of you who maybe are skeptical of participating because of past events to realize that there are some material differences, including underlying organizational structure and the breadth and scope of participation.

Thank you very much for your comments and continued support.

highnote
03-29-2009, 02:26 AM
I just wanted to make a few comments which I hope will provide some additional clarity. First and foremost, while its always important to keep the big picture in mind, the required initial steps which provide the necessary foundation to achieve such goals tend to be more basic. To use an example, there is a noted progression between learning how to walk and running in the Boston Marathon. Second, track availability unfortunately continues to be an issue that should be a non-issue and as such is prone to impacting this sort of endeavor in some capacity regardless of which way you zig or zag and is an excellent illustration of the level of dysfunction present throughout in the industry. Lastly, I encourage those of you who maybe are skeptical of participating because of past events to realize that there are some material differences, including underlying organizational structure and the breadth and scope of participation.

Thank you very much for your comments and continued support.


Very well said.

Please note, I wrote the wrong date in the post that started this thread -- it wasn't even close. :blush: Doesn't anybody read the fine print? :bang:

The correct date is WEDNESDAY, APRIL 1st, 2009. :ThmbUp:

Cangamble
03-29-2009, 10:41 AM
Very well said.

Please note, I wrote the wrong date in the post that started this thread -- it wasn't even close. :blush: Doesn't anybody read the fine print? :bang:

The correct date is WEDNESDAY, APRIL 1st, 2009. :ThmbUp:
Isn't it Tuesday March 31st?

miesque
03-29-2009, 11:40 AM
The correct date is Tuesday, March 31.

highnote
03-29-2009, 01:54 PM
To error is human. To forgive is divine.

The correct date (as written in the first post of this thread and given by Miesque and CG) is Tuesday, March 31st, 2009.

And as kids like to say -- Last one in the pool is a rotten egg!