Do I Want President Obama To Succeed?

[Steve 'StatMan']

Part of 3 - This one asks if you want him to succeed. The others will ask, separted by choice, if you think he actually will.

I goofed, meant to have a middle - don't care one way or the other. Then again, if you really don't care either way, it is probably not worth having a voting option, or then voting for anybody in the general elections for that matter.

[dav4463]

I want him to succeed if he changes his policies of moving towards socialism, but that won't happen.

[Tom]

Success for Obummer means failure for the country.
Of course I want this snake-oil salesman to fail.
So far, he is proving himself nowhere near up to the task of running this country.



I told ya so. :D

[HUSKER55]

As I said way back when, before the election, if Obama gets elected all we have to do is sit back and watch his administration implode.

Anyone here think they would not have gotten a better deal with Sarah?

Obama forced another plant to shutdown production to 2 shifts and there are more cuts coming. Another has cancelled expansion and yes you guessed it. One company shut its' doors and is moving to Mexico.

Obama thinks if he lets you keep your home you won't care. Homes do not generate income. Those that can afford a new home have one and those that can't don't and the would be wanna be in the middle is going to screw all of us. In the end, those people will lose and so will everyone else.

Obama is in denial. America is going socialistic and communistic and not one shot will ever be fired to save her.

Don't have to do anything except sit back and watch. The only way to stop this train wreck is for the peole to unite and destroy the bridge.

But I think that time has passed.

[JustRalph]

you can't raise taxes much more........and businesses are running out of the country as we speak

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/us_companies_pay_the_highest_t.html

I used to say that electing Obama would paint a glorius picture of what is wrong with the Liberal way of doing things...........but I never thought he would be moving so quickly............towards half ass socialism.

He is going to prove me right..........and faster than I thought. In two years he will be roasted like those chicken fingers named after him

[Secretariat]

Amazing, that some would rather he not succeed. Even with GW I wanted him to win quickly in Iraq and get the hell out of there. A bit mind boggling to "want" to see failure that takes the country down with it. The Limpballs dittohead effect I guess. :bang: :bang: :bang:

[boxcar]

Sec wrote: Amazing, that some would rather he not succeed. Even with GW I wanted him to win quickly in Iraq and get the hell out of there. A bit mind boggling to "want" to see failure that takes the country down with it.

Let me tell you what I find "amazing": It is truly mind-boggling that you don't know which entity made this country what is -- The People or the State. Apparently, in your mind you can't make the distinction between the two. You think that as the State goes, so go The People? Foolish man! The People are far more resilient and self-sufficient. This is precisely why our founding fathers placed strict limitations on government -- they knew that The People are much better equipped to preserve freedom than any freakin' government. And ONLY The People can generate wealth and prosperity. The government can never do these things. In short, Sec...the State is very dispensable! And just because the State's policies fail, it does not follow logically that The People will fail too. Learn and understand the difference for once in your life -- before you go to you grave.

Moreover, you want BO to succeed even if he takes us down the path of Socialism? It matters not to you? You want him to succeed at any cost? Even if it cost The People our individual liberties? You are such coward. Sheeple like you deserve what you get.

Boxcar

[NJ Stinks]

Anyone here think they would not have gotten a better deal with Sarah?



Since you asked - me.

[Steve 'StatMan']

Amazing, that some would rather he not succeed. Even with GW I wanted him to win quickly in Iraq and get the hell out of there. A bit mind boggling to "want" to see failure that takes the country down with it. The Limpballs dittohead effect I guess. :bang: :bang: :bang:

Ah! Thanks Sec! You've come across the reason I have the separate polls, Do You Want Him To Succeed, and then, separated by that choice, Do You Think He Will Succeed? I wanted to give people a chance to separate that out, so we can get a better guage of the feelings. I'd mentioned in other posts in other threads, it's too easy to say they want Obama (or Bush, etc.) to fail when other factors and things like Iraq, the Economy, where we as a nation need success.

[Tom]

Does lying count in a poll?
Sec posted he wanted McCain to win so he could take the country down.
I find it amazing he has the balls to post that crap here after that.

Duplicity Alert.

[Secretariat]

Does lying count in a poll?
Sec posted he wanted McCain to win so he could take the country down.
I find it amazing he has the balls to post that crap here after that.

Duplicity Alert.

Actually, Tom I was for McCain because prior to the Palin choice for VP because I foresaw this economic disaster looming and felt whoever was elected would be inheriting a disaster that would take years to fully recover from. Not that I wanted mcCain to win so he could bring the country down. The country was already brought down by the economic policies (or non-policies) of GW. I felt if Obama was elected he'd be blamed for the lack of economic oversight of the Bush adminstration, and actually I think he still will be. so get the facts right. I did not want McCain to win to bring the country down, but simply to strengthen the democratic party longterm from 2012 onwards.

[ddog]

i assume those voting for no are actually rooting for a terror attack since admin policies according to them have in the past kept those from occurring.

interesting what some here will root for in order to regain power.

[Marshall Bennett]

i assume those voting for no are actually rooting for a terror attack since admin policies according to them have in the past kept those from occurring.

interesting what some here will root for in order to regain power.
I doubt anyone is rooting for a terror attack . Thats dumb . I'll admit I admire many of your post , this isn't one of them .

[ddog]

well, then they are neutral to the thought?? maybe rooting is over the top?

but, if you are voting for failure of the admin and thus their policy and i am no fan of same then how do you sidestep the tag?

I can't get around it, they seem joined at the hip?


help me out???

I thought Bush did fail on some fronts although the terror front was not one of them , YET. I did not vote/root for the admin to fail even though the policies he used to fight the terror stuff were misguided imo.

I did say and still believe there are worse things that could hapen than a terror attack but that's drift and not in play here.

[ddog]

yah know, maybe PA could start a poll on this

Do you believe that after the former vp remarks about the admin policies bringing terror attacks closer to the country that

a. that will embolden terror groups to redouble their efforts since we have admitted weakness
b. that the country would not rally round this prez if a terror attack similar or larger than 911 occurs since the former vp has just pointed to the policy changes as a possible cause.
c. the former vp has bad circulation and it may be catching up to him and he should stay in the undisclosed location of his choice as he isn't helping.
d. in a "time of war" "with troops overseas" that he should have the good sense to "no comment" and not admit to weakness on any front given his vast knowledge and credibility.

[ArlJim78]

option E: Cheney is a patriot for speaking the truth.

[ddog]

well then back in the day, the others who had a different truth in the bush days should be granted the same benefit?

right?

yeah, thought so.

the terror loving mewo-cons of pa, oh how the mighty have fallen.

:eek:

[PaceAdvantage]

well then back in the day, the others who had a different truth in the bush days should be granted the same benefit?

right?

yeah, thought so.Of course they should. No disagreement here. And I don't believe I've ever said otherwise.

How many times have I stated recently that those critics of the Bush admin were doing their patriotic duty, providing their criticisms and dissent. Current opponents to the politics of Obama are now doing the same and should be lauded as patriots.

[ddog]

yeah, but what about the failure hope and the poll question???

;)

[PaceAdvantage]

I personally don't want to see any American President fail. Not even our current one. But that's just me.

It's also tough to hope for success when you disagree with many if not all of his policies.

[highnote]

I haven't seen much change in the Obama administration compared to the Bush administration in the things that matter to me.

I still have to pay for my own health insurance insurance.

My taxes haven't changed since I don't rely on dividend and interest income and I don't fall into the income category that Obama wants to raise taxes on.

The Bush administration started bailing out companies with large losses -- the Obama administration has continued the policy of "Privitizing the profits and socializing the losses."

We still have troops in Iraq and Afganistan.

Where are the policy changes? Seems like the same policies the Bush admin had.

If you were happy with Bush and wanted him to succeed with these policies, then why would you want to see Obama fail with the same ones?

[Tom]

I think it now beyond debate -
Obama has already failed.
There is no way any of his moronic ideas will ever work.
He is off by 2 trillion on his deficit projections, he has no bullets left to fire later on and the economy has only responded negatively toe everything the dems have done.

The morons in congress have now spend a full week extracting vengence over 1/10th of 1 percent, a figure far below the pork they voted for, OBama did basketball brackets and went on the Tonight show ( remember the big to do hcap and Michael Moore made when Bush played golf????)

Meanwhile Dodd is caught lying again, goof-ball at Treasury is lying through his teeth.......

The government is completely lost and out of control.

Dems in action....couldn't even last 100 days.

[slewis]

I haven't seen much change in the Obama administration compared to the Bush administration in the things that matter to me.

I still have to pay for my own health insurance insurance.

My taxes haven't changed since I don't rely on dividend and interest income and I don't fall into the income category that Obama wants to raise taxes on.

The Bush administration started bailing out companies with large losses -- the Obama administration has continued the policy of "Privitizing the profits and socializing the losses."

We still have troops in Iraq and Afganistan.

Where are the policy changes? Seems like the same policies the Bush admin had.

If you were happy with Bush and wanted him to succeed with these policies, then why would you want to see Obama fail with the same ones?

Maybe soon Americans will wise up as to really controls this country.
But the guys who are controling it better be careful, this happened in Venezuela and look who won the election. There are a lot more poor then wealthy in the USA and if the wealthy keep hacking up the middle and lower class, it could happen here too.
A vote is a vote... (Unless you rig the election) which is a story for another thread):jump:

[highnote]

But the guys who are controling it better be careful, this happened in Venezuela and look who won the election. There are a lot more poor then wealthy in the USA and if the wealthy keep hacking up the middle and lower class, it could happen here too.

Also Bolivia.

[ddog]

good points.

i think that those that ridicule the New Deal of FDR don't understand the two things he did do even if you don't believe he cured the depression directly via his policy.


1. he likely saved a form of capitalism in this country
2. he set the stage at the worker and infrastructure level to make it possible to ramp up into WWII via the New Deal works projects.

the whole of the war effort was a massive gvt works project.
those now that disdain gvt as a way out should explain that success.

they act as if the war effort was a private enterprise success.

laughable only new age numbskulls could believe it.

[Lefty]

slewis, the so called poor in this country have tv sets, computers and cars.
As for the wealthy, every ten years there are more wealthy than the previous ten. Where do they come from? From the middle class of course.
This is truly the land of oportunity and will be again when we get the socialists out of power in next elections.

[Marshall Bennett]

slewis, the so called poor in this country have tv sets, computers and cars.
As for the wealthy, every ten years there are more wealthy than the previous ten. Where do they come from? From the middle class of course.
This is truly the land of oportunity and will be again when we get the socialists out of power in next elections.
:ThmbUp: ... Well Done

[boxcar]

slewis, the so called poor in this country have tv sets, computers and cars.
As for the wealthy, every ten years there are more wealthy than the previous ten. Where do they come from? From the middle class of course.
This is truly the land of oportunity and will be again when we get the socialists out of power in next elections.

Right on, Lefty! What is amazing is that so many of the class envy types are fixated on a misconception that all the "wealthy" in this nation were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. They just got lucky and were born into money. They're no better than lucky lotto winners. But the fact is: This country isn't called the Land of Opportunity for nothing. Millions upon millions upon millions of people over these last 200+ years MADE their wealth -- they EARNED their wealth, which means they extricated themselves from the lower economic classes. They engineered their own escapes from lives of mediocrity. This nation is filled with such success stories. It's a shame that the class envy folks can't appreciate these stories, but instead want to punish these self-made, successful people by getting the government to levy oppressive taxes on them to satisfy some stupid, idiotic, unrealistic utopian vision they have of the entire world realizing Equal Outcomes, regardless of Unequal Efforts.

Boxcar

[Tom]

So when is the bailout for those of us who worked and played by the rules all along an carried all the anchors, but lost 50%of our IRAs or 401Ks?

When is a bailout for PEOPLE?

And Sec whined about corporate welfare.


FUBO.

[Lefty]

boxy, i hafta admit, you said it better than I.