Where is "Why all the hate" thread

[DJofSD]

Mike, did the "Why all the hate?" thread get deleted?

[BlueShoe]

Had the same question last night.Was making a post on that thread and when the submit reply was hit got a page stating that my post did not register.The topic must have been deleted just before my reply was submitted.Did not see any really offensive or inflammatory posts up until that time,just the usual harsh criticism that we have seen for quite some time on other threads.

[Marshall Bennett]

The topic has been addressed time and time again in other threads . If you voted before reading subsequent post , you'd discover your vote was public after the fact . I'm glad its gone . It had " bad shit " written all over it .

[DJofSD]

Well, there is another thread that has vanished into thin air.

Must either be a new moderator or Mike is reeeaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyy upset about somethin' or other.

[Rookies]

Or the "hate" was on the wrong side of the spectrum :D !

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't like political polls that are not anonymous...and considering there was a poll choice in that poll that could have been taken in more than one way (with one of those ways being quite scandalous), I thought it best to remove the poll.

If the original pollster would like to repost the poll, only this time making it anonymous, that would be cool with me.

[PaceAdvantage]

Or the "hate" was on the wrong side of the spectrum :D !Yeah, that's the ticket. I go around all the time deleting stuff on off-topic that doesn't conform to my own political outlook.

If that were the case, off-topic would certainly not be the size that it is today.

[Dannyboy]

[QUOTE]I don't like political polls that are not anonymous...and considering there was a poll choice in that poll that could have been taken in more than one way (with one of those ways being quite scandalous),

You don't like political polls that are not anonymous?

I don't like meat loaf.



I thought it best to remove the poll.


You removed that poll? You personally removed that poll?



Could have been taken in more ways than one?

If someone selected ,Because he was black, what multiple inferences would you take?

[Tom]

Go start your own board, pay for it yourself, and you can ban all the meatloaf you want to.

[Dannyboy]

Go start your own board, pay for it yourself, and you can ban all the meatloaf you want to.

I believe I met you five or six years ago at Saratoga. At one time there was a picture on here of you and I at a picnic table there. I'm Sully the Irish guy from Boston. Your the big heavy guy right? Why do you talk to people like your the terminator when you would have trouble fending of a teenage girl? You were not this odd when I met you, you were quiet and well mannered as I recall.

[ddog]

one has to go with Pa on this one.

i didn't see the poll and don't care to , but there has to be a sheriff.

can't imagine how a repost of the poll would hurt?

if people want to comment on the poll they certainly will.

[Tom]

I believe I met you five or six years ago at Saratoga. At one time there was a picture on here of you and I at a picnic table there. I'm Sully the Irish guy from Boston. Your the big heavy guy right? Why do you talk to people like your the terminator when you would have trouble fending of a teenage girl? You were not this odd when I met you, you were quiet and well mannered as I recall.

I remember you, Sully.
Terminator? You obviously missed the joke -


You don't like political polls that are not anonymous?
I don't like meat loaf.

Get it?

[Tom]

Oh, and I don't know about a teenage girl, but I chased Grits outta there last year! ;)

[PaceAdvantage]

[QUOTE=PaceAdvantage]

You don't like political polls that are not anonymous?

I don't like meat loaf.


You removed that poll? You personally removed that poll?



Could have been taken in more ways than one?

If someone selected ,Because he was black, what multiple inferences would you take?Welcome back Danny. We sure missed you around here. Try and work on that post count. Are you filling in for Mikey?

[Grits]

You did no such thing. You were an absolute gentleman. All of you guys were.

Oh, and I don't know about a teenage girl, but I chased Grits outta there last year! ;)

[Dannyboy]

[QUOTE=Dannyboy]Welcome back Danny. We sure missed you around here. Try and work on that post count. Are you filling in for Mikey?

I'm only filling in for Mike in so far as he tells me what a terrible place this has become and out of curiosity I take a look. The temperament, personality and sense of community that existed when I first came here is no where to be found. The camaraderie I shared in at Saratoga is not evident either.

This happens everywhere so it does not surprise me. Any private club I ever belonged to, over time, is hijacked by the less desirable. You've got a handful of guys here who drive the train everyday and they've turned this place very nasty with your support and to a large degree partipicating endorsement.

It is not accurate that you take down political polls that are public. Its a bold face lie if you want the truth. I have voted in many public political polls. McCain's selection of a female VP was public. The 2008 Pace Advantage Presidential poll was public. There have been numerous public political polls. There have been a few religious polls that were public as well such as , what creator do you believe in.

This poll was taken down so as to protect the charade that most men here are decent and fair.

The question was Why all the hate for Obama, and the first answer was because he was black. I saw the two members names that voted for that. As I went to vote my browser stuck and the poll was gone. I immediately looked to see if you were here and you were not logged in as the administrator. That is why I'm confused how you took down the poll? Do you have invisible remote access with monitoring? Because the poll was only up about 15 minutes, and you were not here?

You also did not post an explanation or respond to the question of where the poll went until the next day. Based on the one lie, I'm afraid I don't believe you that you took the poll down. I suspect it was removed by one of your moderators who is among the omnipresent hijackers I mentioned.

This place is wired for lunacy. Posts are taken down, posts are edited.

I was reading the thread about making every ticket a winner. This marketing strategy has been used at lotteries, casinos, carnivals and every other place where games of chance are played. Your population went on a socialism rant. You left up those ridiculous rants and then took down a post , linked to your TOS and stated "no political posts in racing forums'...

Calling a marketing angle socialism is not political talk? Its stupid, as in that person is not intelligent. You left those posts up? You allowed that moronic talk to go on and on, where they started to defend mount fees because trainers hire grooms. Therefore that's not socialism but in your mind that was 'horse talk".

No chance I'm going to get a response to the point you made about multiple inferences?

The questions was;

1. Why all the hate towards Obama?

The two members answer was;

2. Because he is black.


There are not many ways to interpret that as far as I can see. Any chance you can let your members know what you meant when you said that answer can be taken many ways? Any chance you want to explain to whats left of your decent members why you lied about public polls and taking this one down?

[DJofSD]

The question was Why all the hate for Obama, and the first answer was because he was black. I saw the two members names that voted for that.

And that is a good illustration of why the liberals are characterized as looking at the glass as half empty.

If you focus on the negatives, don't be surprised if that's what becomes dominate in your thinking. When you're a hammer the entire world looks like a nail.

[Dannyboy]

And that is a good illustration of why the liberals are characterized as looking at the glass as half empty.

If you focus on the negatives, don't be surprised if that's what becomes dominate in your thinking. When you're a hammer the entire world looks like a nail.


Why Liberals? Wtf is wrong with men like you? I drive a bus for a living. A public bus through inner city neighborhoods. The only place I ever hear or see the world liberal is on TV and on Paceadvantage.

Your drunk on words.

[DJofSD]

Why Liberals? Wtf is wrong with men like you? I drive a bus for a living. A public bus through inner city neighborhoods. The only place I ever hear or see the world liberal is on TV and on Paceadvantage.

Your drunk on words.
WTF does being a bus driver have anything to do with anything? If you are what you do then what will you be when you're retired?

The original poll had numerous items of which one was about race. You assume that if race was selected then there's prejudice.

But yet b/c there's the whiff of prejudice the entire poll is found to be faulty. Other people had other reasons for not voting for the president but yet we'll never be able to get beyond the race and prejudice issue to discuss those other reasons.

If you do not hear the word liberal except here and on TV, you need to get out more. Maybe even strike up a conversation with some one of a different political stripe.

[boxcar]

Why Liberals? Wtf is wrong with men like you? I drive a bus for living. A public bus through inner city neighborhoods. The only place I ever hear or see the world liberal is on TV and on Paceadvantage.

Your drunk on words. (emphasis mine)

Ah...kinda like misused words, you mean? Probably don't see those kinds of grammatical errors on signs or billboards on your bus route either, right?

And there's nothing wrong with what DJ said. Liberals, generally, tend to get virtually everything backwards. It's symptomatic of the disease. ;)

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Race played a huge factor in the outcome of this last election. (I'm sure just about everyone recalled the poll that was taken shortly before the election that broke down the err..."demographics" of the pro and anti BO people? I believe a very large segment of the population voted for BO solely on the basis of his skin color. Very many wanted to witness an historical event. They simply wanted to see the first black man ever elected president of the U.S. A really nice shallow reason for simpletons to vote a guy into office.

Then we have the white, bleeding heart libs who also wanted to put some salve on their collective conscience just in case some relative of theirs was a slave owner at one time or another. (These are the types who would also believe that reparations for blacks are in order.)

As a person who owns much HOPE, we can only hope that after BO screws up this country royally (which he will!) that these kinds of shallow thinkers will have a CHANGE of heart in the next election and actually discover that there's an awful lot more to a person than mere skin color.

Boxcar

[DJofSD]

Then we have the white, bleeding heart libs who also wanted to put some salve on their collective conscience just in case some relative of theirs was a slave owner at one time or another. (These are the types who would also believe that reparations for blacks are in order.)

So, I guess the sins of the father are visited upon the son.

[Dahoss9698]

Race played a huge factor in the outcome of this last election. (I'm sure just about everyone recalled the poll that was taken shortly before the election that broke down the err..."demographics" of the pro and anti BO people? I believe a very large segment of the population voted for BO solely on the basis of his skin color. Very many wanted to witness an historical event. They simply wanted to see the first black man ever elected president of the U.S. A really nice shallow reason for simpletons to vote a guy into office.

Then we have the white, bleeding heart libs who also wanted to put some salve on their collective conscience just in case some relative of theirs was a slave owner at one time or another. (These are the types who would also believe that reparations for blacks are in order.)

As a person who owns much HOPE, we can only hope that after BO screws up this country royally (which he will!) that these kinds of shallow thinkers will have a CHANGE of heart in the next election and actually discover that there's an awful lot more to a person than mere skin color.

Boxcar

I have to say, you've become my new favorite poster here. So misinformed and clueless, yet so sure about the nonsense you continually spew. I do have a question, oh wise one. Since you think most voted for Obama based on color, would it be fair to say those that didn't vote for him based it on color also?

Because, as a person who owns much HOPE, we can only hope that after Obama turns this country around in the right direction (which he will!) that these kinds of shallow thinkers will have a CHANGE of heart in the next election and actually discover that there's an awful lot more to a person than mere skin color.

Dahoss

[prospector]

I do have a question, oh wise one. Since you think most voted for Obama based on color, would it be fair to say those that didn't vote for him based it on color also?
Dahoss
ah, no...
the ones who voted against him are able to think for themselves...:jump:

[boxcar]

ah, no...
the ones who voted against him are able to think for themselves...:jump:

Thank you, prospector. I would only add that not only can we think for ourselves but beyond our noses, as well. And most conservatives can think a heck of lot straighter on their bad days than any lib could on his best day.
Take DaHoss' foolish question as an example"

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
I do have a question, oh wise one. Since you think most voted for Obama based on color, would it be fair to say those that didn't vote for him based it on color also?
Dahoss

DaHoss, it would not be fair to assume that at all because it doesn't necessarily follow logically. While it could be the case, the way conservatives voted could just as easily be attributed to what BO represents -- for what he stand for -- for his platform. (You remember his mindless platform, right -- Hopey and Changey?) Most conservatives used our minds and voted against BO on the basis of critical analysis, whereas the vast majority of libs voted for BO on the basis of raw emotion -- giving little or no thought to the issues -- to his platform -- to what this lying radical leftist represents. And that poll that I alluded to would certainly seem to bear these conclusions out. (And, btw, that poll and thread can be found on this forum.)

Thanks for demonstrating for us that you libs really do have a tough time connecting the dots. The major reason for this is because you (and so many others) are probably out of practice. You do most of your thinking with your feelings. Your feelings are what drive most of your political decisions. (Ask 'cap about all this because he's a big fan of "empathy-based" politics. :rolleyes: )

As I've often stated: When you think liberal, think visceral.

Boxcar

[Marshall Bennett]

would it be fair to say those that didn't vote for him based it on color also?



Dahoss
I'm sure there were those that didn't vote for him for that reason , as there were those that voted for him for exactly that reason . It was however the " white " vote that insured him a victory , and that is thanks in large part to the MSM , Obama's largest supporter .

[Dannyboy]

WTF does being a bus driver have anything to do with anything? If you are what you do then what will you be when you're retired?

The original poll had numerous items of which one was about race. You assume that if race was selected then there's prejudice.

But yet b/c there's the whiff of prejudice the entire poll is found to be faulty. Other people had other reasons for not voting for the president but yet we'll never be able to get beyond the race and prejudice issue to discuss those other reasons.

If you do not hear the word liberal except here and on TV, you need to get out more. Maybe even strike up a conversation with some one of a different political stripe.

Regular blue collar people do not wear their politics as you wear yours. What your presenting is unsightly. I consider myself a regular everyday person. I drive a bus, I know people who have been on my routes for many years. I talk to hundreds of everyday people every week. No one wears thier politics in the way you do, or these other guys. Most people would find you odd. I hear thousands of conversations and I think the ones I read here are the most bizarre. A consolation prize is socialism?

My point has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with why the poll was taken down. The reason given does not jive with the facts. The person who claims took it down was not present when he says he took it down. At least not present in the way he normally is. So that was my point, why the lies?

The question was not why did you VOTE for Barak Obama or why you did not. The question was why all the hate on the board that is being directed at Obama. And two people answered that they hate him because he is black.

That 'because he is black" answer was preceded by ( I hope not this one!) by the man that started the thread. So the people that voted hate because he is black were not naive or being political. This is not political.

I don't see anything even moderately positive about hating someone based on skin, ethnicity or gender. If you do I almost want to ask you to explain that to me. But I'd rather you did not.


You see the members that rushed in behind my post? They, including you, wear your politics in a very scurvy and ugly way.

Regular people, bus drivers and people that take buses don't carry on the way you do. Regardless of their views of the world, only on the Internet do people get bizarre about politics like they do here.

Here is my answer. Pace Advantage used to be a nice friendly place but it seems full of liars, haters, and people who defend liars and haters.

[ArlJim78]

DannyBoy, I'm a product manager, i don't take a bus but sometimes I take the metra train when i go downtown.

based on that, could you do me a favor and let me know what political postions I should take and how I should behave on the internet? most importantly please let me know if I am a racist and if i am one of the regular people you speak about.

much appreciated, i wouldn't want to embarass other product managers by stating bizarre political opinions on the internet that don't coincide with my job status.

[Tom]

Not having seen the poll, that I remember, could it be that the two people who voted black did so because THEY they thought OTHER people hated him for that reason?

This is why I generally ignore polls - you have to assume the results match the questions asked. Many time, they do not.

If the question was why do YOU hate OBama, maybe you are correct. But asking why so much hate.....could be either way.

[Dahoss9698]

ah, no...
the ones who voted against him are able to think for themselves...:jump:

No offense, but you've made at least 1 "questionable" comment on race here in the past. I'm not really sure you are the person that should be answering.

[Dahoss9698]

Thank you, prospector. I would only add that not only can we think for ourselves but beyond our noses, as well. And most conservatives can think a heck of lot straighter on their bad days than any lib could on his best day.
Take DaHoss' foolish question as an example"

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
I do have a question, oh wise one. Since you think most voted for Obama based on color, would it be fair to say those that didn't vote for him based it on color also?
Dahoss

DaHoss, it would not be fair to assume that at all because it doesn't necessarily follow logically. While it could be the case, the way conservatives voted could just as easily be attributed to what BO represents -- for what he stand for -- for his platform. (You remember his mindless platform, right -- Hopey and Changey?) Most conservatives used our minds and voted against BO on the basis of critical analysis, whereas the vast majority of libs voted for BO on the basis of raw emotion -- giving little or no thought to the issues -- to his platform -- to what this lying radical leftist represents. And that poll that I alluded to would certainly seem to bear these conclusions out. (And, btw, that poll and thread can be found on this forum.)

Thanks for demonstrating for us that you libs really do have a tough time connecting the dots. The major reason for this is because you (and so many others) are probably out of practice. You do most of your thinking with your feelings. Your feelings are what drive most of your political decisions. (Ask 'cap about all this because he's a big fan of "empathy-based" politics. :rolleyes: )

As I've often stated: When you think liberal, think visceral.

Boxcar

So let me get this straight...My theory doesn't necessarily follow logically, because according to you "the way conservatives voted could just as easily be attributed to what BO represents -- for what he stand for -- for his platform".

But, you are completely closed minded to the possibility that people that voted for Obama voted for him based on the same thing and not solely based on race. Then, on top of that you presume to know why people that did vote for Obama voted for him. How does that work? What proof of this do you have? (Besides your own hysteria and fear)

The emotion stuff is funny too. Take a read at the posts in this section of the board. Read the tone and what the people are saying. Then tell me who is more emotional in these threads, conservatives or liberals. It's not even close.

[boxcar]

So let me get this straight...My theory doesn't necessarily follow logically, because according to you "the way conservatives voted could just as easily be attributed to what BO represents -- for what he stand for -- for his platform".

But, you are completely closed minded to the possibility that people that voted for Obama voted for him based on the same thing and not solely based on race. Then, on top of that you presume to know why people that did vote for Obama voted for him. How does that work? What proof of this do you have? (Besides your own hysteria and fear)

The emotion stuff is funny too. Take a read at the posts in this section of the board. Read the tone and what the people are saying. Then tell me who is more emotional in these threads, conservatives or liberals. It's not even close.

You must have been asleep during the campaign and missed out on all the messiah hysteria, eh? I mean...there were people crying and weeping and wailing and essentially that this was "the moment" (that a black person be elected) -- that this was a very great moment in history, yada, yada, yada. Do you think for a moment that if a whites were running and a white got elected that even a small fraction of this emotional nonsense would have ensued?

And sir, what you fail to understand is that conservatives can at once be passionate and intellectual. Yes, we're passionate because we hold to a certain set of core values -- certain principles -- that we believe are universal, immutable; therefore, we will vigorously, tirelessly and passionately defend our beliefs in our values. But don't confuse passion for raw, unbridled, unprincipled, touch-feely, empathy-driven emotion. Big mistake.

Boxcar

[Dahoss9698]

You must have been asleep during the campaign and missed out on all the messiah hysteria, eh? I mean...there were people crying and weeping and wailing and essentially that this was "the moment" (that a black person be elected) -- that this was a very great moment in history, yada, yada, yada. Do you think for a moment that if a whites were running and a white got elected that even a small fraction of this emotional nonsense would have ensued?

And sir, what you fail to understand is that conservatives can at once be passionate and intellectual. Yes, we're passionate because we hold to a certain set of core values -- certain principles -- that we believe are universal, immutable; therefore, we will vigorously, tirelessly and passionately defend our beliefs in our values. But don't confuse passion for raw, unbridled, unprincipled, touch-feely, empathy-driven emotion. Big mistake.

Boxcar

No I saw the stuff you are talking about. Obviously the messiah stuff was silly. But, I'm not going to belittle the people that cried seeing a black man elected. I imagine some of those people crying grew up not believing in their lifetime they would see a black president. I mean it wasn't that long ago that in parts of this country, we had seperate bathrooms and water fountains. As much as some would like to pretend this stuff never happened, it did. And whether you want to admit it or not.....it was a huge moment in history. Just like when we eventually have a female, gay, etc president.

And you sir fail to understand that a liberal can at once be passionate and intellectual. The fact that you don't even think this possible speaks volumes about you, not others.

[Tom]

Since January 20th, a LOT of people are crying.

[boxcar]

No I saw the stuff you are talking about. Obviously the messiah stuff was silly. But, I'm not going to belittle the people that cried seeing a black man elected. I imagine some of those people crying grew up not believing in their lifetime they would see a black president. I mean it wasn't that long ago that in parts of this country, we had seperate bathrooms and water fountains. As much as some would like to pretend this stuff never happened, it did. And whether you want to admit it or not.....it was a huge moment in history. Just like when we eventually have a female, gay, etc president.

And you sir fail to understand that a liberal can at once be passionate and intellectual. The fact that you don't even think this possible speaks volumes about you, not others.

Err...you can refrain from putting words in my mouth. Go back and read my posts. I never said anything about the impossibility with libs. I said "most" libs. And I stand by that. Yes, libs can be "passionate" -- they can have "zeal" for their ideology -- but it's an ideology that is intellectually indefensible. This doesn't imply either that all libs are a bunch of stupid morons -- only that when they attempt to defend their beliefs, they do so in intellectually dishonest ways -- kinda like what you just did by stuffing your words into my mouth.

Boxcar

[prospector]

No offense, but you've made at least 1 "questionable" comment on race here in the past. I'm not really sure you are the person that should be answering.
no offense taken...
what may be "questionable" to you is clear to others..
and what makes you an authority on what is "questionable"
of course, no offense..

[Dahoss9698]

Err...you can refrain from putting words in my mouth. Go back and read my posts. I never said anything about the impossibility with libs. I said "most" libs. And I stand by that. Yes, libs can be "passionate" -- they can have "zeal" for their ideology -- but it's an ideology that is intellectually indefensible. This doesn't imply either that all libs are a bunch of stupid morons -- only that when they attempt to defend their beliefs, they do so in intellectually dishonest ways -- kinda like what you just did by stuffing your words into my mouth.

Boxcar

Boy that's a deflection if I've ever seen one. I don't need to put words in your mouth. You do all the work for me.

[boxcar]

Boy that's a deflection if I've ever seen one. I don't need to put words in your mouth. You do all the work for me.

You should do your overworked and underpaid imagination a huge favor by stuffing it inside a trunk for the next few years. At the end of those three R's, it will surely thank you.

Boxcar

[Dahoss9698]

no offense taken...
what may be "questionable" to you is clear to others..
and what makes you an authority on what is "questionable"
of course, no offense..

I was trying to be nice with the questionable stuff. You've made racist remarks in the past.

[Dahoss9698]

You should do your overworked and underpaid imagination a huge favor by stuffing it inside a trunk for the next few years. At the end of those three R's, it will surely thank you.

Boxcar

You still haven't addressed any of my points. Typical deflection.

[Steve 'StatMan']

There were lots of reasons that poll was flawed. It was also dangerous for board harmony, since it was not a private[B][I] poll - most polls are private, I belive private is the default. We we all expect private polls. So others may have been taken by an upsetting surprise. I'm sad that there were 2 people of the at least 14 or more that chose, from being only allowed one reason of 7 incomplete reasons, choose the black issue. I don't hate them for doing so, although I am not black. As a realist, though, I supposed I should be mildly relieved that only 2 did.

You want sew hatred among people, as someone a question and then tell a lot of people what that person answered. That makes a lot of hatred, stabs backs in the corporate world (whether the attributed comment is true or false). Public identication in a poll is bad. I wouldn't put a public poll up regarding who people voted for president, and I doubt most of us would either, that is a private issue, should be kept private, and if you say so, up to you to take the consequences, but again, one is normally assuming privacy in the polling.

But a good as well as honest poll to be held and not to cause further hatred and discent would have been private, and allowed multiple options - I could easily think of 3 or 4 more options. Of the 7 or so options, only the one was race related. There easily could be 12 or more, and all non-race related.

There could also be a poll, also private, for those that support President Obams plans and agendas, as to why. And, this may end up including people in both polls, as one is free to agree and disagree with Obama, Bush, or any politicians actions - it will happen. I doubt one will rarely get more than 80% agreement max on anything among the public opinion.

[boxcar]

You still haven't addressed any of my points. Typical deflection.

I didn't know you made any - they must have been microscopic in size. But if you can find them, run them by me again, will ya?

Boxcar

[Steve 'StatMan']

I'm only filling in for Mike in so far as he tells me what a terrible place this has become and out of curiosity I take a look. The temperament, personality and sense of community that existed when I first came here is no where to be found. The camaraderie I shared in at Saratoga is not evident either.

This happens everywhere so it does not surprise me. Any private club I ever belonged to, over time, is hijacked by the less desirable. You've got a handful of guys here who drive the train everyday and they've turned this place very nasty with your support and to a large degree partipicating endorsement.

It is not accurate that you take down political polls that are public. Its a bold face lie if you want the truth. I have voted in many public political polls. McCain's selection of a female VP was public. The 2008 Pace Advantage Presidential poll was public. There have been numerous public political polls. There have been a few religious polls that were public as well such as , what creator do you believe in.

This poll was taken down so as to protect the charade that most men here are decent and fair.

The question was Why all the hate for Obama, and the first answer was because he was black. I saw the two members names that voted for that. As I went to vote my browser stuck and the poll was gone. I immediately looked to see if you were here and you were not logged in as the administrator. That is why I'm confused how you took down the poll? Do you have invisible remote access with monitoring? Because the poll was only up about 15 minutes, and you were not here?

You also did not post an explanation or respond to the question of where the poll went until the next day. Based on the one lie, I'm afraid I don't believe you that you took the poll down. I suspect it was removed by one of your moderators who is among the omnipresent hijackers I mentioned.

This place is wired for lunacy. Posts are taken down, posts are edited.

I was reading the thread about making every ticket a winner. This marketing strategy has been used at lotteries, casinos, carnivals and every other place where games of chance are played. Your population went on a socialism rant. You left up those ridiculous rants and then took down a post , linked to your TOS and stated "no political posts in racing forums'...

Calling a marketing angle socialism is not political talk? Its stupid, as in that person is not intelligent. You left those posts up? You allowed that moronic talk to go on and on, where they started to defend mount fees because trainers hire grooms. Therefore that's not socialism but in your mind that was 'horse talk".

No chance I'm going to get a response to the point you made about multiple inferences?

The questions was;

1. Why all the hate towards Obama?

The two members answer was;

2. Because he is black.


There are not many ways to interpret that as far as I can see. Any chance you can let your members know what you meant when you said that answer can be taken many ways? Any chance you want to explain to whats left of your decent members why you lied about public polls and taking this one down?

From a post within the first page of this thread:

I don't like political polls that are not anonymous...and considering there was a poll choice in that poll that could have been taken in more than one way (with one of those ways being quite scandalous), I thought it best to remove the poll.

If the original pollster would like to repost the poll, only this time making it anonymous, that would be cool with me.

I recall the original poster of the thread, and I seriously doubt if he wanted to cause a bunch of disharmony, etc. and seeing the trouble from his original post, I can understand why he may have wanted to repeat the poll, only to have it a Private Poll instead. I'm sure he meant no harm.

I also mean no harm. But if it will help, and since I had some thoughts, perhaps I should start a new poll in the manner I described in my post a few posts up from here. I will solicit possible items for both sides, and I want suggestions from both sides, and I do not want any arguments or embelishments from either side. If these or other items cause problems, let me know. I might include other options from the previous poll, I do not endorse or embrase any particular ones and definitely not one that made a non-private poll even more controversial. But if it will help get things on the table, if all our usual posting, bickering, and arguing hasn't, and even if it will get a handle on some other issues, maybe it is helpful. So, I'm putting my crash helmut on, and will make an attempt.

[DJofSD]

Regular blue collar people do not wear their politics as you wear yours. What your presenting is unsightly. I consider myself a regular everyday person. I drive a bus, I know people who have been on my routes for many years. I talk to hundreds of everyday people every week. No one wears thier politics in the way you do, or these other guys. Most people would find you odd. I hear thousands of conversations and I think the ones I read here are the most bizarre. A consolation prize is socialism?

My point has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with why the poll was taken down. The reason given does not jive with the facts. The person who claims took it down was not present when he says he took it down. At least not present in the way he normally is. So that was my point, why the lies?

The question was not why did you VOTE for Barak Obama or why you did not. The question was why all the hate on the board that is being directed at Obama. And two people answered that they hate him because he is black.

That 'because he is black" answer was preceded by ( I hope not this one!) by the man that started the thread. So the people that voted hate because he is black were not naive or being political. This is not political.

I don't see anything even moderately positive about hating someone based on skin, ethnicity or gender. If you do I almost want to ask you to explain that to me. But I'd rather you did not.


You see the members that rushed in behind my post? They, including you, wear your politics in a very scurvy and ugly way.

Regular people, bus drivers and people that take buses don't carry on the way you do. Regardless of their views of the world, only on the Internet do people get bizarre about politics like they do here.

Here is my answer. Pace Advantage used to be a nice friendly place but it seems full of liars, haters, and people who defend liars and haters.
You don't like the way I wear my politics? Blue collar people don't wear their politics in the same way I do mine? I'm not sure I understand your meaning.

Is it you don't care to discuss politics? You don't like the frankness or just do not care for the point of view?

Political discourse is a right and a privledge. One that many people fought and died for. If you find the topic or the manner in which it is proffered offensive, that is not my concern. I would like to think that I and the others that apparently cause you discomfort would be part of the give and take that the founding fathers of this country engaged in on a regular basis.

If you find me odd, that's your choice. I consider it a complement. I would have been more happy if you had said I had a strange sense of fun. And since there seems to be a need to reveal our professions, I perform technical support of operating systems. And besides the obscure reference to one of my favorite movies with the sense of fun comment, I'll tell you one of the things I do as a part of my job is perform disaster recovery tests, and, last December was involved in a data center recovery that was about as close to an actual disaster that you can get without actually declaring one. And, yes, it was fun.

You've made a couple of comments about the poll being taken down and have outright stated that Mike was not telling the truth when he responded to my query which was the beginning of this thread. Do you understand that Mike is the administrator of this message board and just because you can't see obvious evidence of his activities on the system does not mean he's lying?

While it is true that some people obviously do hold a certain amount of hate for BO himself, however, what I see mostly is challenges to and questioning of his motives, means and policies. As BO is an elected politician, we have every right to question and challenge this administration. If we don't like the policies it does not mean we don't like the individual. I, for one, would like to share a beer with the president.

So, in closing, this scurvy conservative just wants to let you know I have friends and coworkers that I engage in political discussions all the time. And I'd estimate that half of them are democrats and some very liberal. We respect each other and keep our discussions to the politics and leave out the ad hominem attacks. You might consider it bizarre but perhaps you should try speakers corner in London sometime.

[Dahoss9698]

I didn't know you made any - they must have been microscopic in size. But if you can find them, run them by me again, will ya?

Boxcar

No point really. You're not interested in an exchange of ideas. It's all about grandstanding your warped and close minded agenda. But, to not see this past election for what it was historically is sad.

[prospector]

I was trying to be nice with the questionable stuff. You've made racist remarks in the past.
i think that remark speaks volumes about you..
no offense, of course..:)

[boxcar]

No point really.

Exactly. Pointless, as expected.

You're not interested in an exchange of ideas. It's all about grandstanding your warped and close minded agenda. But, to not see this past election for what it was historically is sad.

Let me tell you what I think is even sadder: That anyone would even notice that Obama is black! That is sad. MLK's vision for American society was colorblindness. His vision was that all races would unite -- that black and white would integrate. That black, white, brown yellow -- whatever skin colors -- have this one thing in common -- they're all part of the human race.
Do you understand what I'm saying? The human race. ONE RACE! Skin color is superficial. It's simply God's way of putting a "tent" over the human body, and these tents or coverings come in all different sizes and colors and shades of colors. And these tents do not speak to what the human being is really like on the inside. The tent doesn't reveal a person's soul -- his heart -- his mind. It doesn't tell us and can't tell us who that person is.

When you make a statement as you have about this past election being an historical event, that tells me immediately that you are not colorblind. In fact, it tells me the exact opposite -- that YOU are color-sensitive. That color somehow made Obama's election different -- it gave his election a different quality, didn't it?

And your remark goes a very long way in supporting my earlier statements on this thread to the effect that a very large percentage of people who voted FOR Obama did so on the solely on the basis of his skin color [b]because they wanted to see history being made![b].

So, you tell me, sir, who is "more racist"? You who are color-sensitive and see this election as being historical solely on the basis of a person's skin color or me who paid no attention to Obama's skin color but voted the way I did on the basis of my perception of his core values -- his beliefs -- his world view -- his political leanings, etc. You tell me who is stuck in the past and which one of us is truly "progressive" by refusing to live in the past and dwell on this nation's past sins, and instead moving on to the future?

You see, I can articulate my points; and I hope you have learned something!

Boxcar

[ddog]

boxcar

Skin color is God's tent??
Genetics , look it up.

what a hoot.

when those of a different skin color were lynched (in my lifetime by the way) was the tent somehow not part of the selection process?

when the "tent" is STILL the basis for hate and vicious put-downs from some and in places in this country more than some then God's tent doesn't matter?

really?

When you claim, it appears , that the past election wasn't a historical event because(?) some noticed the man's race , well that seems a typically dismissive comment that makes a shambles of all your high-minded rhetoric.

In short, to claim that the person's ideas/policies are what MUST drive voting , well those are NOT conservative values at work.
That's you wishing to impose, if not why rail about it, on those other voters.

That's bunk. One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

People are free to vote for anyone they want , they can vote based on the name of the candidates dog or the "want to have a beer with" or "want to have in my home" argument.

You would not seriously contend that the "elitist" arguments tossed around in previous elections were not at root a play to those attitudes.


So, yes, when a country that had legalized slavery and MUCH worse for decades and still have many in it that advocate worse actions TODAY, then to , celebrate the fact that the country could elect a halfrican-american to the prez is not unreasoning thought.

If you had grand-parents or other family members, that were DAMAGED at the least by the shamefull actions of some in this country in the RECENT past then I really can't hold it against those damaged and others who felt , yes, even happy, that this was proof the country for the most part could select one of that "tent" for the office.


Of course, they expect too much to flow from the event.
As you would I am sure agree some hope even if misplaced is better than no hope.
From the "no hope" crowd flow actions you would not like to see.

People notice the "tents" , the tents are the RESULT of more than just throwing on a cover.
People are WIRED to notice the tents.

Where the colorblind deal comes from is just a mystery to me.

That's not for this world as you so often say yourself.
It's an outgrowth of utopian conservative thought that is bunk.

Why deny that fact when you so readily accept all the other "imperfections" of fallen man?

Strange, you seem willfully blind in this area.


Oh, and on MLK, you extend his views to places he was not going at the end.

LIke many of the MLK forced adopters you accept the peace and love part , but if you think the good Rev Wright was tough , well let's just say MLK was a softer glove but the fist was in there.

You seem to have the whitewashed view of history , but then the winners always shape the facts of history , eh!

[toetoe]

Danny,

If you submit that PA was ashamed of the "because he's black" answers, okay; let's get an answer. Your larger point is seemingly that haters are aboard. Don't you want the truth ? Do we agree that a hater that does not reveal his hate is much scarier than an honest one ?

[boxcar]

boxcar

Skin color is God's tent??
Genetics , look it up.

You have problems with metaphors? Little too deep for you?

when those of a different skin color were lynched (in my lifetime by the way) was the tent somehow not part of the selection process?

If you want to live in the past and you want to see and judge people by the color of their skin and you want to make perpetual victims out of black people, then all I can say is that you are one very sick puppy -- quite possibly a latent racist to boot, burdened with guilt! Maybe it's time for you to come out of your closet to get some help!

Boxcar

[Dahoss9698]

i think that remark speaks volumes about you..
no offense, of course..:)

Huh? Bringing up that you have made racist remarks in the past speaks volumes about me? What about you making the remarks? What does it say about you?

[JustRalph]

Huh? Bringing up that you have made racist remarks in the past speaks volumes about me? What about you making the remarks? What does it say about you?

What was the remark? Did I miss something?

[Dahoss9698]

Exactly. Pointless, as expected.



Let me tell you what I think is even sadder: That anyone would even notice that Obama is black! That is sad. MLK's vision for American society was colorblindness. His vision was that all races would unite -- that black and white would integrate. That black, white, brown yellow -- whatever skin colors -- have this one thing in common -- they're all part of the human race.
Do you understand what I'm saying? The human race. ONE RACE! Skin color is superficial. It's simply God's way of putting a "tent" over the human body, and these tents or coverings come in all different sizes and colors and shades of colors. And these tents do not speak to what the human being is really like on the inside. The tent doesn't reveal a person's soul -- his heart -- his mind. It doesn't tell us and can't tell us who that person is.

When you make a statement as you have about this past election being an historical event, that tells me immediately that you are not colorblind. In fact, it tells me the exact opposite -- that YOU are color-sensitive. That color somehow made Obama's election different -- it gave his election a different quality, didn't it?

And your remark goes a very long way in supporting my earlier statements on this thread to the effect that a very large percentage of people who voted FOR Obama did so on the solely on the basis of his skin color [b]because they wanted to see history being made![b].

So, you tell me, sir, who is "more racist"? You who are color-sensitive and see this election as being historical solely on the basis of a person's skin color or me who paid no attention to Obama's skin color but voted the way I did on the basis of my perception of his core values -- his beliefs -- his world view -- his political leanings, etc. You tell me who is stuck in the past and which one of us is truly "progressive" by refusing to live in the past and dwell on this nation's past sins, and instead moving on to the future?

You see, I can articulate my points; and I hope you have learned something!

Boxcar

LOL....there is so much wrong and so much hypocrisy within your post I don't even know where to begin. Here's what I learned. You love reading your own words. You think you're real smart and are super religious (shocking). You think it's sad that people would even notice that Obama is black. Kind of hard not to, isn't it? Now, the fact you see nothing historical about his winning, tells me that you have some major issues with race yourself. Like most people that hate do, you hide behind religion.

YOU want to "be progressive" and move on. Well, that's good for YOU, but I imagine that the people that were the victims of this nation's sins might not be so quick. Who the hell are you to decide how long people can "dwell" on being opressed? If a family member of yours was hung, would you like someone telling you to stop living in the past? Of course not.

And again, it's important historically because it shows how far we have come as a nation. I for one am proud. 40 years ago, Obama couldn't eat at the same restaurant as me in parts of this country. Now he's the president. How stuck in the past do you have to be to not grasp what that means?

Now, just because people realized Obama was black, it doesn't mean they voted for him solely on that. I know you have that stuck in your little brain, but let it out. It'll be okay. It's you that needs to move on. You need to stop living in the past. The election is over. Whether you want to deal with it or not, Obama won. More people in this country thought he would do a better job than McCain.

Sure, some people voted for him based on race. Just as some voted against him based on race. However, most voted based on his platform and if you could see past his skin color, you would be able to come to terms with that.

You see, I can see through your B.S. It's not very hard. I know you haven't learned anything, because you are too close minded to.

[Dahoss9698]

What was the remark? Did I miss something?

From a thread you started...

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=594310#post594310

punched and kicked a young woman...what a punk!
"a dark-skinned black man, 6 feet 4 inches tall, 200 pounds" no suprise there

Should be interesting to see how you guys spin this one, as the person that said it hasn't exactly denied making racist remarks. He just tried to spin it around on me, no surprise there.

[boxcar]

LOL....there is so much wrong and so much hypocrisy within your post I don't even know where to begin. Here's what I learned. You love reading your own words. You think you're real smart and are super religious (shocking). You think it's sad that people would even notice that Obama is black. Kind of hard not to, isn't it? Now, the fact you see nothing historical about his winning, tells me that you have some major issues with race yourself. Like most people that hate do, you hide behind religion.

I'm the hypocrite because I refuse to classify, grade or rank people by the color of their skin? During the campaign it was the Left who was obsessed with race. Anyone who dared disagree with or question BO on any issue or policy was inevitably labeled a "racist".

Oh, yes...I noticed he was black, but so what!? This, sir, was my point. Let's take a hypothetical for a moment. Let's say Alan Keyes ran and got himself elected president. I would celebrate with much joy (and perhaps even weep) but not because of his skin color, but because of what he is -- what he stands for -- what he represents. His skin color would pale by comparison to these substantive qualities.

YOU want to "be progressive" and move on. Well, that's good for YOU, but I imagine that the people that were the victims of this nation's sins might not be so quick. Who the hell are you to decide how long people can "dwell" on being opressed? If a family member of yours was hung, would you like someone telling you to stop living in the past? Of course not.

Psychologically healthy people go through the four or five stages of grief, move on with their life -- with respect to all kinds of tragedies. But when false guilt-laden people like yourself and the government keeps dredging things up and do everything possible to prohibit people from working through the natural grief process in a reasonable period of time, then I do question the motives of those who want to perpetuate the psychological state of victimization. It's not normal. It's not natural. It's one thing to remember the past. But it's quite another to live there! Something, sir, you don't understand, apparently.

And again, it's important historically because it shows how far we have come as a nation. I for one am proud. 40 years ago, Obama couldn't eat at the same restaurant as me in parts of this country. Now he's the president. How stuck in the past do you have to be to not grasp what that means?

Do you listen to yourself? You're the one who dwells in the past, you projection artist! I didn't need an Obama election to tell me how far we've come. But you do! And here's what's sadder with folks like you: In your mind, we still haven't come far enough as a nation. There are still people out there being victimized by discrimination. Ten black people could get elected to high office and you would still harp on how "40 years ago..." :bang: But so what? There will always be people out there doing all kinds of bad things to other people -- because that's our nature -- sadly. Why don't you take up the cause of victims of thefts? Or victims of cheats? Or victims of unfair actions, etc., etc., etc.?

Now, just because people realized Obama was black, it doesn't mean they voted for him solely on that. I know you have that stuck in your little brain, but let it out. It'll be okay.

I think I have already. :rolleyes:

Sure, some people voted for him based on race.

More than some. There are an awful lot of white libs out there who are ridden with false guilt. It weighs down on them day in and day out. Also, a very large number of blacks voted for him on the sole basis of his skin color. And awful lot of people wanted to see history being made. Yeah...more than this: They had the golden opportunity to be part of that history part of that history -- to make history happen. Why? Because they, like you, are stuck in the past. They can't extricate themselves from it! And the white libs needed to put some salve on their searing consciences. Sadly, they needed an emotional reprieve from the crushing burden of their false guilt.


You see, I can see through your B.S. It's not very hard. I know you haven't learned anything, because you are too close minded to.

You, sir, are as blind as a bat and will see nothing until you until you lift the veil of color that causes your blindness. Until you come to understand that we humans are all part of one race -- the human race.

Boxcar

[Dahoss9698]

You should change your name from boxcar to soapbox. It's the same rhetoric over and over, except with each succesive post you top the last in terms of egomania.

You can try and dictate how someone should feel. Have fun with that. I imagine people cried about Obama winning for the very same reason you will if Alan Keyes gets elected (which coincidently might be the funniest thing anyone has ever written on the internet, congrats!!), because the guy they had campaigned for, for years had finally won. I also imagine people cried for the reasons I have discussed earlier.

I understand the stages of grief, that's not what we're talking about here. But, again what gives YOU the right to decide how people can deal with stuff that didn't affect you. No on was harping on the dispicable sins of our country in the past. No one was living in the past. All people were doing was remembering and reflecting on how far we have come. That is absolutely natural and 100% normal and healthy. What is unhealthy is acting like it didn't happen.

I feel no guilt and I'm not taking up any causes. But it seems ridiculous to me that you need to make excuses for why someone voted for Obama. It couldn't be his platform....what he stood for. Only conservatives vote like that :rolleyes: . Liberals voted for the black guy because we're so guilt ridden. Gimme a break. People voted for Obama because we believed in him. His skin color had nothing to do with it. But, at the same time we could reflect and understand what a moment it was historically. Historically in that it was a first. Like the first woman president, gay president, etc. Why is that so hard to understand?

What's your next trick? Telling people that celebrate Jackie Robinson to stop living in the past? Let's stop talking about Rosa Parks because it's been enough time. Get over yourself already.

[prospector]

From a thread you started...

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=594310#post594310



Should be interesting to see how you guys spin this one, as the person that said it hasn't exactly denied making racist remarks. He just tried to spin it around on me, no surprise there.
i called him a punk..
she's the one who said he was black and 6 ft 4
and i later posted she was a fraud...
the no suprise was in reference to being a punk..but, you read it your way..

[boxcar]

You can try and dictate how someone should feel. Have fun with that. I imagine people cried about Obama winning for the very same reason you will if Alan Keyes gets elected (which coincidently might be the funniest thing anyone has ever written on the internet, congrats!!), because the guy they had campaigned for, for years had finally won. I also imagine people cried for the reasons I have discussed earlier.

I understand the stages of grief, that's not what we're talking about here. But, again what gives YOU the right to decide how people can deal with stuff that didn't affect you.

From first hand observations and experience in dealing with grieving people. But if you're not talking about "grief" -- then what kind of "stuff" are you talking about? Victimization type stuff? Self-pity type stuff? Woe-is-poor-lil'-ol'-me-type stuff? What?

No on was harping on the dispicable sins of our country in the past. No one was living in the past. All people were doing was remembering and reflecting on how far we have come. That is absolutely natural and 100% normal and healthy. What is unhealthy is acting like it didn't happen.

No, the healthy thing would have been recognizing all this progress long before his election! That, sir, is natural, normal and healthy! If it took this election, may I suggest, sir, that you and your ilk are a wee bit slow on the uptake? :bang:

I feel no guilt and I'm not taking up any causes. But it seems ridiculous to me that you need to make excuses for why someone voted for Obama. It couldn't be his platform....what he stood for.

What he stood for!? Shirley U. Jest. Why don't you tackle that for us? I would love to learn what his Hopey and Changey platform was/is all about, since none of his speeches contained any substantive material. But man...did they have style. :lol:

Only conservatives vote like that :rolleyes: . Liberals voted for the black guy because we're so guilt ridden. Gimme a break. People voted for Obama because we believed in him.

Well please, sir...don't hold back. Enlighten me by articulating that belief. I can barely wait for that. I could use a good, deep belly laugh. So, fire away.

What's your next trick? Telling people that celebrate Jackie Robinson to stop living in the past? Let's stop talking about Rosa Parks because it's been enough time. Get over yourself already.

Hey...whatever floats your boat. If celebrating skin color makes you feel all good inside and sends that tingly sensation down your leg, go for it. Far be it for me to put a damper on such monumentally important moments.

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm only filling in for Mike in so far as he tells me what a terrible place this has become and out of curiosity I take a look. The temperament, personality and sense of community that existed when I first came here is no where to be found. The camaraderie I shared in at Saratoga is not evident either.You mean the camaraderie that filled the air when Mike got in people's faces, knocked over tables and pretty much embarrassed us all? That kind of camaraderie? Yeah, I remember it fondly.... :rolleyes:

It is not accurate that you take down political polls that are public.That's not what I said. I said I don't LIKE political polls that are public, especially one's that have the kinds of choice this one had.

As I went to vote my browser stuck and the poll was gone. I immediately looked to see if you were here and you were not logged in as the administrator. That is why I'm confused how you took down the poll? Do you have invisible remote access with monitoring? Because the poll was only up about 15 minutes, and you were not here?You best check your browser settings. Perhaps your cache needs to be flushed. Whenever I am on the site, my name will definitely appear in the "logged in" section. And I am definitely the one who took down that poll.

You also did not post an explanation or respond to the question of where the poll went until the next day. Based on the one lie, I'm afraid I don't believe you that you took the poll down. I suspect it was removed by one of your moderators who is among the omnipresent hijackers I mentioned.What one lie? Oh, forget it...I won't lose any sleep over whether or not you believe me...

Posts are taken down, posts are edited.Yeah, that's why they call it a MODERATED BOARD. Things get taken down. Things get edited. It's been that way for 10 years.

Your population went on a socialism rant. You left up those ridiculous rants and then took down a post , linked to your TOS and stated "no political posts in racing forums'...

Calling a marketing angle socialism is not political talk? Its stupid, as in that person is not intelligent. You left those posts up? You allowed that moronic talk to go on and on, where they started to defend mount fees because trainers hire grooms. Therefore that's not socialism but in your mind that was 'horse talk".I took down that particular post because the poster started talking about Obama (in a negative light I might add). That's why it was taken down. I suppose since you REALLY know me, I probably should have just left the post up...after all, it was NEGATIVE OBAMA SPEAK, and you know me Dannyboy, now don't you?

No chance I'm going to get a response to the point you made about multiple inferences?

The questions was;

1. Why all the hate towards Obama?

The two members answer was;

2. Because he is black.


There are not many ways to interpret that as far as I can see. Any chance you can let your members know what you meant when you said that answer can be taken many ways?Read Tom's answer to you regarding this question. As usual, he nails it...and very simply too I might add.

If you missed it, allow me to duplicate it here:

Tom Says:
Not having seen the poll, that I remember, could it be that the two people who voted black did so because THEY they thought OTHER people hated him for that reason?

This is why I generally ignore polls - you have to assume the results match the questions asked. Many time, they do not.

If the question was why do YOU hate OBama, maybe you are correct. But asking why so much hate.....could be either way.Maybe there aren't MANY ways to interpret that poll option, but there are at least two, and one of them isn't pretty, thus it should not have been allowed to stay up, in my opinion.

[Dannyboy]

[QUOTE]You mean the camaraderie that filled the air when Mike got in people's faces, knocked over tables and pretty much embarrassed us all? That kind of camaraderie? Yeah, I remember it fondly.... :rolleyes:


You were at a race track with a bunch of guys, with booze flowing and someone yelled and a table was tipped over? Oh my , those barbarians!

You were embarrassed? That's awfully lady like of you. How much time have you spent at Aqueduct. They have a whole section just for folks like Mike. Suffolk does to. He's gotten me bounced from Suffolk once or twice, and me him.

You met him, know him through your board, I'd bet if you got in a pickle and he was on your short list he'd get your first dime. Though this is at least the second time I've seen you highlight his demons so perhaps not.

DutchBoy was the first member to vote that he hated Barack Obama because he was black. Why don't you ask him why he did and then we'll all know the true reason.

If you took the poll down then you know who was the second member that voted he hated Barack Obama because he was black. Why don't you ask him In the open as well? This way we'll know two things, why he did, and that you in fact know who voted and you took down the poll.

You don't "like" public political polls?, but now that is not the reason you took it down. You took it down because the answer: Because he is black would have shown this place for what it is. Its backwards racist redneck ignorant board with a shifty moderator.

[DJofSD]

DutchBoy was the first member to vote that he hated Barack Obama because he was black. Why don't you ask him why he did and then we'll all know the true reason.
Have you considered he might have done it just to stir the pot? You know, pick it just to see what happens?

[PaceAdvantage]

You were at a race track with a bunch of guys, with booze flowing and someone yelled and a table was tipped over? Oh my , those barbarians!

You were embarrassed? That's awfully lady like of you. How much time have you spent at Aqueduct. They have a whole section just for folks like Mike. Suffolk does to. He's gotten me bounced from Suffolk once or twice, and me him.

You met him, know him through your board, I'd bet if you got in a pickle and he was on your short list he'd get your first dime. Though this is at least the second time I've seen you highlight his demons so perhaps not.You come here to my place, take a shot at me in public (when you could have written all of this in private) and now you're upset I take a shot back at you and Mike? Oh, I am so sorry Mr. Prince Dannyboy. I didn't realize you were so sensitive and can't handle a little back and forth. I'll be sure to be gentle things up in the future. And you call me Ms.? :lol:

And yes, I know Mike is a very stand up guy, which is why it always causes me great angst to post anything negative about him, even though he and his friends have no problem whatsover coming here and taking a shit on my lawn whenever they please.

If Mike wasn't such a stand up guy, he would have been kicked off this board a long time ago for constant abuse of the rules. But, I give him every single benefit of the doubt because like you, I know there are many sides of every person.

PS. I spent years at Aqueduct, on a DAILY basis....thank you very much. And, I also spent YEARS at Suffolk when I was up there too (1987-1991)...again...thank you very much.

DutchBoy was the first member to vote that he hated Barack Obama because he was black. Why don't you ask him why he did and then we'll all know the true reason.Look, Mr. "I want to cause trouble where none exists because Mike told me to."

We've already established that the poll question asked "WHY ALL THE HATE FOR OBAMA?" Also, please note ONCE AGAIN that the poll does not ask "WHY DO YOU HATE?"

Since we've now established this fact (AGAIN), we can also establish that whomever answered that poll question before it was deleted could have been BLACK and could have been answering this question quite honestly and respectably. He also might have been a white person who was answering not out of racist beliefs, but out of honesty, agreeing with our hypothetical black man. OR, he could have been a white racist who mistook the original question and thought he was being asked "WHY DO YOU hate OBAMA." Do you get it now?

Again, do you get it now? I hope so, Mr. "I'm going to invent some sort of conspiracy where none exists because Mr. Daily KOS Mike told me to."

I love how you tried to turn it around with all these nasty implications of racism and whatever petty bullshit you and Mike want to keep throwing around here, simply because Mike converted to whatever psuedo-religion the DailyKos and the Democratic Party is peddling these days. Nice try, but you don't even qualify for any parting gifts.

I've answered all your questions with relative respect (at least as little as you offered me) and honesty. I now request that if you want to further this conversation, you do so via private message, as I think the horse here has been beaten to death.

[PaceAdvantage]

Bottom line:

Dannyboy's myopic view of the situation provides the perfect example as to why this poll was removed.

[cj's dad]

Bottom line:

Dannyboy's myopic view of the situation provides the perfect example as to why this poll was removed.

Please remove this one- talk about a pissing contest.

[PaceAdvantage]

PS. Happy St. Patrick's Day to Dannyboy and Suff!

[DJofSD]

PS. Happy St. Patrick's Day to Dannyboy and Suff!Same here.

[Dannyboy]

Look, Mr. "I want to cause trouble where none exists because Mike told me to."

Maybe there aren't MANY ways to interpret that poll option, but there are at least two, and one of them isn't pretty, thus it should not have been allowed to stay up, in my opinion.


I did not start this topic, and I did not comment on this topic until I saw a level of BS that drew me into the conversation. I was late to the topic if you look back at its beginnings.

To suggest I'm a trouble maker is somewhat typical of these sort of exchanges. When black people attempted to go to schools with white people the Paceadvantages used to say "they're just trouble makers"... they have schools of their own to go to, they are just starting trouble where there is no trouble. That's true, that's what this thread reminds me off.

I have no particular need to call out people that don't like black people, or white people, or Chinese people or french people. Its your desire to turn the conversation that way, that's because you can then say its about race and about starting trouble when there is no trouble.

I don't care if anyone dislikes black people or not. Not my business.

I raised the point about deleting a thread because it had a poll answer that would have reflected poorly on a lot people here. Initially you implied that public political polls were unacceptable to you. When challenged you said that you only expressed "dislike' for public polls, and the real reason it was taken done was that the poll answer could be taken incorrectly and was unfairly loaded so it was best to take it down.

That would mean that you don't mind if I re-post the poll with anonymous voting? I plan on doing that.

No one told me to cause trouble here. I see this place the same way others do. Its a protected group of people who feel comfortable controlling the environment and making the rules as they move along. Its pretty clear to me. You say I'm causing trouble? To me its obvious that your protecting and encouraging some pretty ridiculous human beings who are using your message board to spread their insanity around.

I would say the best way to resolve this would be to ban or significantly suspend the posting rights for one of the following members..

1. CJsdad
2. Tom
3. Boxcar
4. JustRalph
5. Dutchboy

Doing so will send the proper message to your membership that insanity will not be tolerated at PaceAdvantage.


happy saint paddies to your and yours

[ddog]

You have problems with metaphors? Little too deep for you?



If you want to live in the past and you want to see and judge people by the color of their skin and you want to make perpetual victims out of black people, then all I can say is that you are one very sick puppy -- quite possibly a latent racist to boot, burdened with guilt! Maybe it's time for you to come out of your closet to get some help!

Boxcar



boxy,


metaphor, you are a joke. there is no problem with a metaphor , but the whole line you were trying to run makes no sense to some one who doesn't devoutly wish to deny anything from the RECENT past could influence someones thinking on current events.

That's the first I have heard of that, but it is the only way those of your ilk can make any sense of it, you practice selective amnesia so as to maintain your fantasy world of blind stupidity.


you are weak. almost everything you qoute is based in the past and your enlightened christ like behaviour.

Well, unless you is HIM, then you are looking back to the past.



You are just a dime store race hustler.

You and Rev Al would make a good team.

[PaceAdvantage]

I can't believe I wasted time answering ALL of your points and allegations, line by line, and this is the best response you have for me in return?

Your intent is to single out folks, name names, have people banned...

But the truth is, off-topic is functioning EXACTLY as it has since George W. Bush took office in 2001. There are folks on the right, and folks on the left. When GWB was in power, the folks on the left would post criticisms gallore, and the folks on the right would react.

NOW, when the Dems are in power, the right is posting the criticisms and the left is reacting. All of a sudden, Mikey D. and Dannyboy don't like it here anymore.

If you want to repost the poll with anonymous choices, be my guest, but please....

...only repost the poll if you acknowledge that someone choosing the "because he is black" option certainly does not mean the person who chooses this option is a racist and a member of the KKK. If you continue to come to this conclusion, I can only reason that you have absolutely no understanding of the question being asked.


I did not start this topic, and I did not comment on this topic until I saw a level of BS that drew me into the conversation. I was late to the topic if you look back at its beginnings.

To suggest I'm a trouble maker is somewhat typical of these sort of exchanges. When black people attempted to go to schools with white people the Paceadvantages used to say "they're just trouble makers"... they have schools of their own to go to, they are just starting trouble where there is no trouble. That's true, that's what this thread reminds me off.

I have no particular need to call out people that don't like black people, or white people, or Chinese people or french people. Its your desire to turn the conversation that way, that's because you can then say its about race and about starting trouble when there is no trouble.

I don't care if anyone dislikes black people or not. Not my business.

I raised the point about deleting a thread because it had a poll answer that would have reflected poorly on a lot people here. Initially you implied that public political polls were unacceptable to you. When challenged you said that you only expressed "dislike' for public polls, and the real reason it was taken done was that the poll answer could be taken incorrectly and was unfairly loaded so it was best to take it down.

That would mean that you don't mind if I re-post the poll with anonymous voting? I plan on doing that.

No one told me to cause trouble here. I see this place the same way others do. Its a protected group of people who feel comfortable controlling the environment and making the rules as they move along. Its pretty clear to me. You say I'm causing trouble? To me its obvious that your protecting and encouraging some pretty ridiculous human beings who are using your message board to spread their insanity around.

I would say the best way to resolve this would be to ban or significantly suspend the posting rights for one of the following members..

1. CJsdad
2. Tom
3. Boxcar
4. JustRalph
5. Dutchboy

Doing so will send the proper message to your membership that insanity will not be tolerated at PaceAdvantage.


happy saint paddies to your and yours

[Tom]

Doing so will send the proper message to your membership that insanity will not be tolerated at PaceAdvantage.

Or just ban Boston zip codes! :lol:
Happy St Pat's Day to YOU!
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[PaceAdvantage]

Dannyboy...don't bother reposting the poll...allow me....

[boxcar]

boxy,


metaphor, you are a joke. there is no problem with a metaphor , but the whole line you were trying to run makes no sense to some one who doesn't devoutly wish to deny anything from the RECENT past could influence someones thinking on current events.

That's the first I have heard of that, but it is the only way those of your ilk can make any sense of it, you practice selective amnesia so as to maintain your fantasy world of blind stupidity.


you are weak. almost everything you qoute is based in the past and your enlightened christ like behaviour.

Well, unless you is HIM, then you are looking back to the past.



You are just a dime store race hustler.

You and Rev Al would make a good team.

Better get back on your meds ASAP 'cause your incoherent ramblings only serve to reinforce what an empty suit you are.

Boxcar
P.S. "looking back to the past" isn't the same as living in it either. But I'm not surprised you can't understand the difference. :rolleyes:

[Rookies]

i called him a punk..
she's the one who said he was black and 6 ft 4
and i later posted she was a fraud...
the no suprise was in reference to being a punk..but, you read it your way..

Prospector

I don't go looking to play the "Racism under every corner" card, but I ABSOLUTELY drew the same conclusion as the other poster at the time and commented later on about it. Given your explanation, I understand what you are saying, but it's the laying out of your words (even if it was that lunatics' own description) that can allow anyone to easily draw that conclusion.

I would have avoided the ref to the specific race, as a 6-4 man laying a beating on a small woman is more than enough to draw a punk reference.

[Steve 'StatMan']

I'm surprised the whole thread got reposted, esp. where Dannyboy named names. The whole objection was that it wasn't a private poll, so that the problem was names were publicized.

But now I think I know all I want to know about Dannyboy. And gee, thanks Suff for putting him up to these things.

[DJofSD]

Mike, thanks for the re incarnation.

[Greyfox]

I would say the best way to resolve this would be to ban or significantly suspend the posting rights for one of the following members..

1. CJsdad
2. Tom
3. Boxcar
4. JustRalph
5. Dutchboy

Doing so will send the proper message to your membership that insanity will not be tolerated at PaceAdvantage.





Hey, great suggestion to remove the most interesting chatters here.
Why not? If there's anything I hate, it's hate.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm surprised the whole thread got reposted, esp. where Dannyboy named names.You know what, it doesn't matter. Anyone answering "Because he is black" could mean anything. It could mean the respondent thinks off-topic is full of racists, thus the answer. It could mean the respondent thinks America is full of racists, thus the answer. It could mean the respondent himself IS a racist and misunderstood the question, thinking "Why DO YOU(I) hate?" instead of "Why all the hate?"

As you can see, it's all just a lot of hot air about nothing.

[cj's dad]

I made Dannyboy's list :jump: :jump: :jump:

[Tom]

We should plan a reunion!
How about at Suffolk Downs? :lol:

[prospector]

Prospector

I don't go looking to play the "Racism under every corner" card, but I ABSOLUTELY drew the same conclusion as the other poster at the time and commented later on about it. Given your explanation, I understand what you are saying, but it's the laying out of your words (even if it was that lunatics' own description) that can allow anyone to easily draw that conclusion.

I would have avoided the ref to the specific race, as a 6-4 man laying a beating on a small woman is more than enough to draw a punk reference.
point taken..

[cj's dad]

We should plan a reunion!
How about at Suffolk Downs? :lol:

Great idea Tom; maybe we could invite Sir Splash (Teddy) and back door Barney to join us.

[GaryG]

Hey Suff......you don't have enough to do. You should try playing the horses, it might get your mind off how much you hate the members of this board.

[Bubba X]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy

I would say the best way to resolve this would be to ban or significantly suspend the posting rights for one of the following members..

1. CJsdad
2. Tom
3. Boxcar
4. JustRalph
5. Dutchboy

Doing so will send the proper message to your membership that insanity will not be tolerated at PaceAdvantage.







Those are some of my favorite posters. Who really cares if they share my views or are, perhaps, insane?

It ain't all that. I take faith, family and finances seriously. Everything else is just for laughs.

[boxcar]

I made Dannyboy's list :jump: :jump: :jump:

I'm very disappointed in Dannyboy 'cause I wasn't at the top of his list. I suppose I have to work a little harder. :D

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

I'm very disappointed in Dannyboy 'cause I wasn't at the top of his list. I suppose I have to work a little harder. :D

Boxcar

And I have a lot less posts than you (-3000) and Tom (-30,000)

Damn, I'm good. :jump: :lol: :D

[boxcar]

And I have a lot less posts than you (-3000) and Tom (-30,000)

Damn, I'm good. :jump: :lol: :D

And Tom is listed before me even though he doesn't spell nearly as swell as I do.
Go figure! I just don't get no respect. :bang: :bang:

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

And Tom is listed before me even though he doesn't spell nearly as swell as I do.
Go figure! I just don't get no respect. :bang: :bang:

Boxcar

Yeah, but you're trying !!:lol:

And BTW- who the heck is "Dutchboy"??

[pktruckdriver]

I don't like political polls that are not anonymous...and considering there was a poll choice in that poll that could have been taken in more than one way (with one of those ways being quite scandalous), I thought it best to remove the poll.

If the original pollster would like to repost the poll, only this time making it anonymous, that would be cool with me.



Sorry I never saw this thread, I apologize for the mess I caused here, annoymous, would'a been fine, I messed up when I did it, was tired and did not know I was making public.

I am sorry.


You have a great board here, keep it up


Patrick