A Little Video Reminder...... making the rounds

[JustRalph]

S6DmjBneGBc

this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal

[ArlJim78]

:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

The gipper must be spinning in his grave about now. how disappointed he would have been to know that America would take a headlong plunge into the cesspool that is socialism, barely 25 years after the Reagan revolution.

[cj's dad]

You don't realize how much you miss him, until you read and remember some of the stuff he said and stood for:





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"Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose."
- Ronald Reagan







"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan







"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan





"Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan








"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress."< /I>- Ronald Reagan







"The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination." - Ronald Reagan








"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other." - Ronald Reagan







"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program." - Ronald Reagan



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"I've laid down the law, though, to everyone, from now on anything that happens: no matter what time it is, wake me, even if it's in the middle of a Cabinet meeting." - Ronald Reagan







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"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan






"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." - Ronald Reagan







"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. - Ronald Reagan







"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

[Lefty]

Thanks, CJ's dad. In these days of govt gone wild, I needed that.

[boxcar]

Great stuff. Thanks for posting it.

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

how refreshing, like music to my ears. he was the best

[cj's dad]

How there is no response from our friends on the <<<<

Could it be that there is no answer to common sense ?????


Great stuff. Thanks for posting it.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

How there is no response from our friends on the <<<<

Could it be that there is no answer to common sense ?????

Having common sense implies being in touch with reality -- but Reality and the Left have always been total strangers.

Boxcar

[DJofSD]

"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."

Substitute for the word government either "A liberal" or "The Obama administration".

[Rookies]

"Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan

Nor was it because America rushed to get off its ass to assist the Allies in the first two critical ones ! While the rest of the world fought tyranny, America was MIA for a combined 6 of 12 years !

[DJofSD]

"Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan

Nor was it because America rushed to get off its ass to assist the Allies in the first two critical ones ! While the rest of the world fought tyranny, America was MIA for a combined 6 of 12 years !
So, what exactly are you trying to say, that b/c the US was not leading the charge the eventual victories are tainted? Or, are you more impressed by those that started the conflicts rather than by those that finished them?

[jballscalls]

How there is no response from our friends on the <<<<

Could it be that there is no answer to common sense ?????

Its funner to watch your guys' drool over Ronnie than to chime in and agree with his statements.

[hcap]

Well, you guys are getting closer to a real republican candidate in '012.
You just gotta resurrect Ronnie.

He's gotta a better chance than any other "live" repug.
Vote Zombie.
http://www.zombiepresidents.com/ZReagButt.gif

http://www.kirktoons.com/june_2004/images/06_01_04_Remembering_Reagan.jpg

[PaceAdvantage]

Man these guys are getting cocky. Win one election and all of a sudden...

Need I remind you that the Republicans once held the White House and the Congress. Wasn't that long ago either...

Tides can change rapidly in this world. Are you sure you want to continue down this path? What happens when you eventually start losing control? Should we beat you over the head in every single thread?

I thought this place was dominated by right-wing wacko conservatives!?!?! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[hcap]

I thought this place was dominated by right-wing wacko conservatives!?!?! :lol: :lol: :lol:We have had this discussion before. If you can't see how far this board has shifted "right wacko", you gotta remove those extremely red-colored blinkers.

[PaceAdvantage]

We have had this discussion before. If you can't see how far this board has shifted "right wacko", With you still on board, this would be impossible.

[Tom]

Actually, after only a month in office, we are already seeing a trend of people getting fed up with Barry. Even left-leaning media has begun to question him and we had over 400 "tea parties" this weekend. That is pretty soon for a messiah! :lol:

[Marshall Bennett]

Well, you guys are getting closer to a real republican candidate in '012.
You just gotta resurrect Ronnie.

He's gotta a better chance than any other "live" repug.
Vote Zombie.
http://www.zombiepresidents.com/ZReagButt.gif


Hcap , you've reached an all time low with this post . Does your brain contain even a milligram of moral fiber ?

[LottaKash]

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan


Now, conincidently, isn't that what has really happened to us, and why we are in the mess that we are in now ?.....

God "Blesses" nations that do his will, "his way".....and "curses" nations who would do it "man's" way .......This is biblical.

This nation is so full of leaders and businessmen that just don't get that anymore.....

We are no longer "blessed" and it is showing.....

best,

[DJofSD]

Well, you guys are getting closer to a real republican candidate in '012.
You just gotta resurrect Ronnie.

He's gotta a better chance than any other "live" repug.
Vote Zombie.
http://www.zombiepresidents.com/ZReagButt.gif

http://www.kirktoons.com/june_2004/images/06_01_04_Remembering_Reagan.jpg
hcap, what you fail to understand is the difference between the man and the ideals he represents and how he governed the country.

Go ahead, denigrate the person. That will just show your lack of respect for other people. But like William Wallace in "Braveheart", you can kill our champion but you will never take away our freedoms.

[boxcar]

With you still on board, this would be impossible.

I guess 'cap defines "right wacko" as anyone who believes in the pursuit life, liberty and happiness -- in other words, all freedom-loving Americans. Not surprised, coming from him.

Boxcar

[jballscalls]

I guess 'cap defines "right wacko" as anyone who believes in the pursuit life, liberty and happiness -- in other words, all freedom-loving Americans. Not surprised, coming from him.

Boxcar

who doesnt believe in those pursuits?? i'm sure h'cap does as well as every "right wacko" on this site do.

[jballscalls]

With you still on board, this would be impossible.

83 against 4 LOL fair and balanced!

[cj's dad]

of Ronald Reagan is him being sworn in as the hostages are crossing the bridge from North to South Korea.

Do you think that just maybe the Iranians expected a slightly different approach from RR than that big PUSSY jimmy carter.

[hcap]

83 against 4 LOL fair and balanced!Thank you. This is about correct. The proper ratio of righties to lefties. :lol:

Except Tom should be counted twice. As well as cjs' "Dad".
Ralph probably five times. Certainly on one of his good days he starts more silly threads than any "lib" who is not too disgusted to post.

[hcap]

I guess 'cap defines "right wacko" as anyone who believes in the pursuit life, liberty and happiness -- in other words, all freedom-loving Americans. Not surprised, coming from him.

BoxcarLove it or leave it, eh? Were you around in the fifties shilling for Gunner Joe? Actually you qualify as a perfect example of a "right wacko".
As well as the rest of the other 25 PA high-fivers. :lol:

[lsbets]

Hcap is a classic example of the liberal disease. He needs to be a victim, and even when he is not being "victimized" he will create situations in his mind to perpetuate his victimhood. When not angrily lashing out at all of the sane people who do not live in Hcap land, everyone of his posts has been a poor me, I get picked on so much whine.

[hcap]

Well, you guys are getting closer to a real republican candidate in '012.
You just gotta resurrect Ronnie.

He's gotta a better chance than any other "live" repug.
Vote Zombie.
http://www.zombiepresidents.com/ZReagButt.gif

Hcap , you've reached an all time low with this post . Does your brain contain even a milligram of moral fiber ?

I have answered this explicitly. Off topic is 90% right wing wackos. Most of the lame postings are anti-lib/anti-Obama/anti-dem. And many much crueler than suggesting you guys resurrect Ronnie Raygun. Time for youse guys to grow up and stop the whining. What goes around comes around

[hcap]

Hcap is a classic example of the liberal disease. He needs to be a victim, and even when he is not being "victimized" he will create situations in his mind to perpetuate his victimhood. When not angrily lashing out at all of the sane people who do not live in Hcap land, everyone of his posts has been a poor me, I get picked on so much whine.You are losing it Javert.
Nothing wrong with denigrating a so-called God on the right and poking fun with the lack of relevancy of the repugs, and lack of any new ideas, or interesting and thoughtful presidential 2012 candidates.

Of course you guys can always run Rush. The new leader of the repugs.
On second thought however Zombie Ronnie is still a better choice.

Damn, talk about victims?

The entire crew of righties here are crying like 7 year old scared little girls.

[ArlJim78]

i like jokes as much as anyone else, and i think we should all be able to have a laugh at ourselves.

with that said, the Zombie Ronnie thing just isn't funny. well maybe if you're in third grade you might get a chuckle.

would a Zombie Kennedy or Zombie Roosevelt depiction be funny? imo it wouldn't.

[Lefty]

hcap, i've concluded that the reason libs are always calling for tolerence in others is that they haven't any of their own. You continually support my conclusion.

[Tom]

hcap, I think most of us are not crying, we are laughing at you and Sec...ever the losers. :lol:

[JustRalph]

Reagan fans can find comfort in this graphic 1984 Election map

Things can get back to this really fast



http://redstateleader.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/presidential-map-1984.png

[hcap]

i like jokes as much as anyone else, and i think we should all be able to have a laugh at ourselves.

with that said, the Zombie Ronnie thing just isn't funny. well maybe if you're in third grade you might get a chuckle.

would a Zombie Kennedy or Zombie Roosevelt depiction be funny? imo it wouldn't.Humor is in th eye of the beholder. 75% of your posts denigrate Obama or libs or Dems. Grow up

Tom hcap, I think most of us are not crying, we are laughing at you and Sec...ever the losers.You gentleman lost the election big time, and are the pitiful 22 percenters here still flapping your gums about how reality did not turn out according to childish fantasies.
hcap, i've concluded that the reason libs are always calling for tolerence in others is that they haven't any of their own. You continually support my conclusion.Lefty tell that to all the other PA off-topic circle jerkers who are united in diising any lib, Certainly Obama has been the main target here. And you object to me suggesting youse guys would stand a better chance with a resurrected Ronnie than any other repug?.

Puh-lease

All the wailing and gnashing of teeth here is just pitiful. Just pitiful.

[hcap]

Reagan fans can find comfort in this graphic 1984 Election map

Things can get back to this really fast

http://redstateleader.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/presidential-map-1984.png
1984???????
Hey why not 1884, and if you stretch it a bit 1784.
Maybe youse guys can enlist Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd.
You will need some weapons grade plutonium tho'.

No problemo for guys that want to bomb all the Mid East. And all Muslim woman and children.

[ArlJim78]

Humor is in th eye of the beholder. 75% of your posts denigrate Obama or libs or Dems. Grow up

maybe you should grow up if you can't handle someone taking issue with something you've posted.

I bash the POLICIES and motives of Obama, libs dems.

Making fun of a person for no other reason than they are dead is really lame.
A person with any kind of maturity or honestly would understand the difference.

[hcap]

I have no problem with others taking issue.
My point is that Regean is the best you have now.

Tell me who is better?

And if you think off-topic ain't a cesspool of righties going after Obama-personally-you are in Lala land. Tom alone has called him a "traitor" about 2 dozen times. Public figures are fair game. There are personal attacks all the freakin time.
I bash the POLICIES and motives of Obama, libs dems. OK Jimmy.....


Hope And Change status check;

you can't believe anything the president says because its all a lie.

you can't believe anything the vice president says because he's out of his mind.

...you've just given two great examples why Biden is brainless

So posting Ronnie as a zombie is worse than the above. Or Tom and others calling Obama a traitor? As I said grow up. What goes around comes around.

[Tom]

You gentleman lost the election big time, and are the pitiful 22 percenters here still flapping your gums about how reality did not turn out according to childish fantasies.

Where do you see that???
I see lot of posts still mocking you out, rightfully so, and lot of posts exposing Husein for what he is....but I see no posts whining about losing the election, much unlike the last two. If anything, some of us are having a grand old time just following the low standards of posting you lefties set here since 2000. Just enjoying our turn! :lol::lol:

[boxcar]

So posting Ronnie as a zombie is worse than the above. Or Tom and others calling Obama a traitor? As I said grow up. What goes around comes around.

I never called him a "traitor" -- at least not yet. But I do believe he's a die-hard commie. Does that count? :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[hcap]

Yes. Zombies can be patriotic. Zombies still can be repugs and Zombies can be citizens.

Communists can not. Therefore calling someone a Zombie is less an insult.
Unless you call 'em a Communist Zombie :rolleyes:

BTW, do you think calling Obama a traitor seriously is less of an infraction than a joke about Reagan and Zombies?

Take it up with Tom

[ddog]

Reagan fans can find comfort in this graphic 1984 Election map

Things can get back to this really fast



http://redstateleader.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/presidential-map-1984.png


i would LOVE to take that action.

you can't even realize how far off you are.

unless you mean better red than dead.

that's got a shot.

:lol:

[JustRalph]

Hcap, you only won by 5% and yet you act like it was 50%............

you are becoming a little much.............

[DJofSD]

Ya, I'd agree, 5" is nothing to brad about.

[boxcar]

Yes. Zombies can be patriotic. Zombies still can be repugs and Zombies can be citizens.

Communists can not. Therefore calling someone a Zombie is less an insult.
Unless you call 'em a Communist Zombie :rolleyes:

BTW, do you think calling Obama a traitor seriously is less of an infraction than a joke about Reagan and Zombies?

Take it up with Tom

Nah...I'll take it up with you since you asked. Reagan was as Pro-American as you can get. A true patriot. Not a perfect human being, but still a true American because he held to and firmly believed in the founding ideals and principles of this nation.

BO, on the other hand is as Anti-American as you can get -- as are most libs in congress today. They hate the Constitution. They hate Capitalism. They hate America because this country is what's wrong with the world. If only America would get in lockstep with the "progressive" nations in the world, the entire world would be a far better place in which to live. Capitalism is to our domestic woes what Individual Liberties are to the rest of the world that is filled with communists, socialists and dictators. (This is precisely why we have never heard BO speak positive about the U.S. -- nor will we ever!) BO and his horde of evil socialists are Pro-Welfare state, Pro-Big Government, Pro-Taxation, Pro-Globalism and Pro-Terrorists; and, therefore, by definition are and, indeed, must be Anti-Individual Liberties -- Anti-Free Choice -- Anti-Free Speech, Anti-Nationalism. They also hate God and therefore are also Anti-Christs. Other than these few things, there's nothing really wrong with being a pinko commie fascist, pretending to be a patriot, draped in the American flag while simultaneously holding American office. However, "traitors" hardly seems a strong enough term to describe such despicable and detestable poor excuses for human beings. Such scum would sicken any respectable sewer, which would surely vomit such vermin out!

Hope I have answered your question satisfactorily.

Boxcar

[ArlJim78]

OK Jimmy.....

So posting Ronnie as a zombie is worse than the above. Or Tom and others calling Obama a traitor? As I said grow up. What goes around comes around.
I made a wise-crack about Biden being brainless, because of his position on paying taxes as I recall.

how on earth does that compare to making a wise crack about Reagan simply because he's dead?

don't bother answering. I'll return now to simply laughing at your posts rather than responding.

[Lefty]

Conservatives mostly attack policies and libs mostly attack personally. Learn the difference, hcap. With the Reagan stuff, you go to far.

[hcap]

don't bother answering. I'll return now to simply laughing at your posts rather than responding.You have yet to respond Jimmy.
"Laugh and the whole world laughs at you."
you can't believe anything the president says because its all a lie.

you can't believe anything the vice president says because he's out of his mind.
It's not personal. It's business Sonny

[Tom]

I am flattered that I am now your standard, hcap.
Definitely a step up for you. :D

But I am not joking - this POS is a traitor. He IS more dangerous than Osama and has done more damage to our economy than Osama. He is an embarrassment to America. He is garbages and a proven liar.

There.
Happy now?

But hcap, I choose to attack living people, who can defend themselves.
Whats next for you, little old ladies, children? Surely, the dead is not as low as you can go?

Pathetic.

[hcap]

So calling a current president a traitor is cool. Whereas referring to a dead one as zombie is not?

Are you still seeking advice from your pet rock?
Or simply smoking 'em after peeling 'em?

[Marshall Bennett]

What hcap doesn't understand is that Obama should have taken a lesson from Reagan in turning the economy around . Instead he's set his own agenda , totally against all principles of economics , and sent this country straight down the river . I truely thought he'd do better , at least use reason . Instead , I beleive he's bordering insanity . Never has a president so short into his presidency appeared so " DUMB " . Future generations will look back at this idiot and wonder ... where the hell did he ever come from ?

[hcap]

What hcap doesn't understand is that Obama should have taken a lesson from Reagan in turning the economy around . Instead he's set his own agenda , totally against all principles of economics , and sent this country straight down the river . I truely thought he'd do better , at least use reason . Instead , I beleive he's bordering insanity . Never has a president so short into his presidency appeared so " DUMB " . Future generations will look back at this idiot and wonder ... where the hell did he ever come from ?Where indeed? One lesson from FDR is worth 10 from Ronnie Raygun.

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/363/Depression_GDP_output_1.gif

Unemployment (% labor force)
Year Lebergott Darby[61]
1933 24.9 20.6
1934 21.7 16.0
1935 20.1 14.2
1936 16.9 9.9
1937 14.3 9.1
1938 19.0 12.5
1939 17.2 11.3
1940 14.6 9.5
1941 9.9 8.0
1942 4.7 4.7
1943 1.9 1.9
1944 1.2 1.2
1945 1.9 1.9

[Tom]

Surely you can't be naive enough to believe that will work now, can you? :lol::lol::lol:

[hcap]

Don't let the facts influence your ideology Tom.

Fantasies from righty LaLaLand are so much like smoking hashish.
Drift away while taking another toke is so much easier than mental clarity.
Just avoid the munchies. :lol:

[hcap]

Job Creation by President.
Obama inherits the worst.

This why a major change in thinking is needed.
FDR and the Great Depression is a workable model-if the repugs do not play obstacle course.

Blues are dems. Pinks are repugs.
OK he is no longer George W. Churchill.
Now he is H. Hoover Bush

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/363/job_creation.jpg

[witchdoctor]

Where indeed? One lesson from FDR is worth 10 from Ronnie Raygun.

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/363/Depression_GDP_output_1.gif

Unemployment (% labor force)
Year Lebergott Darby[61]
1933 24.9 20.6
1934 21.7 16.0
1935 20.1 14.2
1936 16.9 9.9
1937 14.3 9.1
1938 19.0 12.5
1939 17.2 11.3
1940 14.6 9.5
1941 9.9 8.0
1942 4.7 4.7
1943 1.9 1.9
1944 1.2 1.2
1945 1.9 1.9


Looking at this chart, it looks like the answer to this mess is start WW III.

[hcap]

Looking at this chart, it looks like the answer to this mess is start WW III.
Are you affiliated with a good optician?

WW II started in '41 :lol:

[Lefty]

hcap, you seem upset that civilians on this forum have inferred Obama is a traitor. How about office holders and former office holders calling a Pres a traitor and saying our soldiers were purposely killing civilians? Nasty stuff, eh what?

[hcap]

hcap, you seem upset that civilians on this forum have inferred Obama is a traitor.I don't give a sh*t what most idiots say here.

But when youse guys faint away at my comments, at the same time guilty of personal attacks on the new administration, it is a bit ironic. A bunch of little whining cry-babies who can't take it

[rastajenk]

WW II started in '41 :lol:

I can't tell if you're being serious, sarcastic, or just plain stupid.

[Tom]

Can I vote? :D

[rastajenk]

Early and often. ;)

[hcap]

The :lol: was directed at witchdoctor. Who misread the chart I posted
I can't tell if you are stupid.

I can however appraise the Orang who just decided to post his usual crap

[rastajenk]

So, you do think WWII started in 1941?

[hcap]

For the US it did.
Pearl Harbor.

Pick a year that makes YOU happy.

[The Judge]

why did the Bush father and Son team fail to follow his example the only Reagan policy they follow was deregulation and what good for the CEO is good for the country. Now you want Obama to follow the Reagan madness deregulation theres nothing left to deregulate.

The stock market is reflecting deregulation policies of the Republican Party it may have worked but people (CEO'S)act funny when they get aroung alot of unguarded money. They can't help but put large chuncks of said unguarded money in their pockets then small chuncks of said money in those close to themselves pocket so they keep their mouths shut.

[Tom]

Gee, 43 tried to increase regulations...stopped by the dems.
McCain, too.

Hmmmm.

[Marshall Bennett]

Where indeed? One lesson from FDR is worth 10 from Ronnie Raygun.

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/363/Depression_GDP_output_1.gif

Unemployment (% labor force)
Year Lebergott Darby[61]
1933 24.9 20.6
1934 21.7 16.0
1935 20.1 14.2
1936 16.9 9.9
1937 14.3 9.1
1938 19.0 12.5
1939 17.2 11.3
1940 14.6 9.5
1941 9.9 8.0
1942 4.7 4.7
1943 1.9 1.9
1944 1.2 1.2
1945 1.9 1.9
Hcap , do you even think for a moment that there may be a difference in the economic ingredients of the 30's and 40's and that of today . Primarily the credit issues , the founding failure in the current crisis , was not nearly the factor beneath the government level of the 30's / 40's . Comparing FDR's " New Deal " to Obama's plan is like comparing apples to oranges . At best , Obama's plan may bring some momentary releif , what he fails to understand is eventually inflation will wipe out any long term benefits . Its basically a band-aid solution with multi-trillion dollar debt attached to it .

[jballscalls]

Hcap , do you even think for a moment that there may be a difference in the economic ingredients of the 30's and 40's and that of today . Primarily the credit issues , the founding failure in the current crisis , was not nearly the factor beneath the government level of the 30's / 40's . Comparing FDR's " New Deal " to Obama's plan is like comparing apples to oranges . At best , Obama's plan may bring some momentary releif , what he fails to understand is eventually inflation will wipe out any long term benefits . Its basically a band-aid solution with multi-trillion dollar debt attached to it .

very strong post, completely agree!

[Tom]

Back then, not that many people owned socks.
Today, most do.

We had a strong and growing manufacturing base, not so today.
We had not sold out the nation with NAFTA and CAFTA, unlike today.
We were not saddled with extreme expenses of taking care of Mexico's rejects, unlike today.
We were not a welfare state, keeping about half our people supported while they contribute nothing.

Didn't work then, won't work now.
But thanks for playing.

[Marshall Bennett]

Large corporation's net worth was taken at face value . Today its measured in estimates that vary widely , more often than not in figures tossed around through credit data rather than real assets ... much like Obama is doing .

[witchdoctor]

Are you affiliated with a good optician?

WW II started in '41 :lol:

We entered WWII in 1941. Tell Poland and France that the war didn't start until 1941. The unemployment rate started to fall in 1939 (some of this was related to supplying the Allies(Great Britian))but it took us getting into the war to get the unemployment rate to single digits.

[JustRalph]

here is a graphic for you

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4218&stc=1


Explain that one juxtaposed against your other graphs

[lsbets]

here is a graphic for you

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4218&stc=1


Explain that one juxtaposed against your other graphs

He likes his better - they suit the view in lala land.

[NJ Stinks]

Here is what I found in Collier's Encylopedia about the Depression. This is a not a paste but a summary by me.
___________________________________________

The Depression was caused by the same set of problems we have today. Stock market prices and real estate values were unrealistic and unsustainable. Expansion of credit to people who could not afford what they were buying was another big problem. At first everybody thought it wouldn't last long because prior recessions didn't. But another big problem was new technology had eliminated more jobs than it created in factories just like computers have done today. And Europe was suffering just like we were back in the Depression.
__________________________________________________ _________________

Looks like credit really was a problem back then. So was loss of jobs in the manufacturing sector. And both were big factors leading us into the Depression.

I actually try to post opinions based on facts. I'd like to know where Marshall and Tom discovered credit and loss of jobs in the manufacturing base were not factors that led to the Depression?

Just saying it doesn't make it so. Pick an icon.

[Marshall Bennett]

Here is what I found in Collier's Encylopedia about the Depression. This is a not a paste but a summary by me.
___________________________________________

The Depression was caused by the same set of problems we have today. Stock market prices and real estate values were unrealistic and unsustainable. Expansion of credit to people who could not afford what they were buying was another big problem. At first everybody thought it wouldn't last long because prior recessions didn't. But another big problem was new technology had eliminated more jobs than it created in factories just like computers have done today. And Europe was suffering just like we were back in the Depression.
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Looks like credit really was a problem back then. So was loss of jobs in the manufacturing sector. And both were big factors leading us into the Depression.

I actually try to post opinions based on facts. I'd like to know where Marshall and Tom discovered credit and loss of jobs in the manufacturing base were not factors that led to the Depression?

Just saying it doesn't make it so. Pick an icon.
I never said credit wasn't at all a factor , and never mentioned loss of jobs in the manufacturing base not being a factor . What I am saying is that credit is the factor in this crisis , and the number one factor . I've never heard that the depression was the result of a credit meltdown because it wasn't . This current situation is . I don't think I need to produce a list of facts to you to support this . Its well known .

[DJofSD]

Credit being extended to people to purchase houses they truely could not afford is one part of the problem. The other part of the problem is the highly levered positions various financial institutions took and with very little money in reserve to back the insurance in the form of CDS and CDO they wrote.

The lack of credit is a result of all those banks taking in as much money as they can to cover their bad assests. They have to do that or go bankrupt.

[NJ Stinks]

Hcap , do you even think for a moment that there may be a difference in the economic ingredients of the 30's and 40's and that of today . Primarily the credit issues , the founding failure in the current crisis , was not nearly the factor beneath the government level of the 30's / 40's . Comparing FDR's " New Deal " to Obama's plan is like comparing apples to oranges . At best , Obama's plan may bring some momentary releif , what he fails to understand is eventually inflation will wipe out any long term benefits . Its basically a band-aid solution with multi-trillion dollar debt attached to it .

very strong post, completely agree!

Back then, not that many people owned socks.
Today, most do.

We had a strong and growing manufacturing base, not so today.
We had not sold out the nation with NAFTA and CAFTA, unlike today.
We were not saddled with extreme expenses of taking care of Mexico's rejects, unlike today.
We were not a welfare state, keeping about half our people supported while they contribute nothing.

Didn't work then, won't work now.
But thanks for playing.

All three of the above posts indicate Obama is facing a different set of factors in this recession vs. factors that contributed to the Great Depression. Therefore, Obama is "comparing apples to oranges" when he attempts to deal with the today's recession. Thus, his approach is doomed to fail.

As I stated in Post #74, the various causes of the Great Depression couldn't be more similar to the factors that created today's recession. So Obama following FDR's lead is not unreasonable. I don't know if it will work but it's a reasonable approach. Maybe not the right approach - it's too early to tell - but definitely is a reasonable approach especially if you are comparing factors that caused the Great Depression with the factors that caused today's recession.

[chickenhead]

I think to summarize, everyone got over leveraged. Individuals, Banks, and the Gov't. We hit the trifecta.

There is no solution but pain. It's all just about whether to smear it out over a long period or take the dose available now all at once (there are more doses later, either way). But we haven't obviously finished finding what the smeared out dose is all about yet.

It's a true blue reckoning.

[hcap]

here is a graphic for you

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4218&stc=1


Explain that one juxtaposed against your other graphs

March 1933. Roosevelt takes office


Unemployment. Basically your figs graphed.

http://william-king.www.drexel.edu/top/prin/txt/probs/unemdpr.GIF



http://eh.net/graphics/encyclopedia/Steindl.GD.Recovery_files/image001.gif


http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/363/Depression_GDP_output_1.gif

[Lefty]

hcap, now do the chart where the stock mkt has dropped 25% since Obama took office, then add in his statement where he says he doesn't pay much attention to day to day gyrations.
Then do a map where our pres can possibly find a CLUE!

[boxcar]

hcap, now do the chart where the stock mkt has dropped 25% since Obama took office, then add in his statement where he says he doesn't pay much attention to day to day gyrations.
Then do a map where our pres can possibly find a CLUE!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Boxcar

[Tom]

Bwaaaaccccckkkkk OBama says the market is alike a poll.
Well, he is steeper than Bush at the moment! :lol:

[hcap]

hcap, now do the chart where the stock mkt has dropped 25% since Obama took office, then add in his statement where he says he doesn't pay much attention to day to day gyrations.
Then do a map where our pres can possibly find a CLUE!
Roosevelt took the oath of office March of 1933.
It took months before the market started to rebound. Yet you gentlemen now after destroying the economy over the last 8 years expect Obama to quickly turn things around. Look at the S&P for July and Oct. of '33

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/31/business/1101-biz-CHARTS-C1.gif


http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/29/adam_cohen_on_nothing_to_fear

"But there was an understanding on the part of FDR and the people who supported him that there was something fundamentally wrong with capitalism. Capitalism was not working. And in the 1932 election, that was really the big issue. Herbert Hoover believed in the old system, believed that capitalism had to just work its way through, and everything would be fine. FDR was saying, no, there’s something wrong, and we need to fix the system.

And in that Hundred Days that followed that address that we just saw, there were major changes made to the system, things that we’re actually still talking about now and fighting over, like the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated out investment banking from savings banks; the Truth and Securities Act, the first real regulation of the sale of securities; and Home Owners’ Loan Corporation, the Farm Credit Administration, which actually took care of people who were having problems with their mortgages. It was a very different approach to government."

[ArlJim78]

well if he was counting on his 401K then he sure would be paying attention to the market, which has given him a vote of no confidence for months.


i have to laugh, his emergency $800 billion had to be passed in order to stave off a catastrophe, and yet the market continues to react negatively as if nothing happened.

first president I can remember that acted so flippant about the market. doesn't he realize that people have to get rich in order to fund his utopian society.

[hcap]

Remember the market dropped initially during bushs' watch. Much more than it has under Obamas'

It may be that Obama will NOT be able to turn things around. Just like bush wasn't able to.

But after only 1 month it is somewhat premature.

[chickenhead]

it pretty much sums it up:

[Lefty]

hcap, Bush did turn it around. The market hit new highs during Bush. I don't believe the mkt dropped 25% during Bush's first month.
And Bush never said he didn't pay attention to it and certainly never insulted investors by calling it a poll. A poll? Indeed?

[chickenhead]

Buffet for 30 years has called the short term market a poll, and claims to ignore it. Did he insult himself?

[Marshall Bennett]

Obama made a suggestion yesterday that Americans sould consider investing in the current market ( long term ) and help get the ball rolling . I would imagine he's aiming this suggestion at American millionaires because the last place your avg. Joe is going to spend money is in the market , especially being his retirement has been axed by that same market , probably is on the verge of losing his job , and has bills and debt up to his neck . He should be more specific when suggesting how we spend what little we have left , unless he simply thinks we're all fools and idiots .

[ddog]

I never said credit wasn't at all a factor , and never mentioned loss of jobs in the manufacturing base not being a factor . What I am saying is that credit is the factor in this crisis , and the number one factor . I've never heard that the depression was the result of a credit meltdown because it wasn't . This current situation is . I don't think I need to produce a list of facts to you to support this . Its well known .


the runup and thus the crash of the markets back then was even more about credit or leverage than now.

What is different now is the spread of leverage across so wide a swath of the economies.

Thus now the debt stuff is worse than then as more and more was built on the leveraged smokescreen now.

Gs has 87trillion of derivitives , made around 5B on them last year of course to some extent using our backstopping to keep them going.

That's just one firm.

bastard and criminal that they are.

sorry.

[ddog]

Obama made a suggestion yesterday that Americans sould consider investing in the current market ( long term ) and help get the ball rolling . I would imagine he's aiming this suggestion at American millionaires because the last place your avg. Joe is going to spend money is in the market , especially being his retirement has been axed by that same market , probably is on the verge of losing his job , and has bills and debt up to his neck . He should be more specific when suggesting how we spend what little we have left , unless he simply thinks we're all fools and idiots .


i expect we get a rally here or in the early summer.

it will be the last of the dead cats and then look out as later in the year it will be clear to all that this thing is toast.

[JustRalph]

This market needs a Bambalance!!!