diamond isle

[lamboguy]

feb. 11 gulfstream race 4 post position 11 diamond isle, trainer rick dutrow, rider edgar prado.

they had this horse in this race knowing this was a bad horse to begin with.

they turned edgar prado into a camakazie pilot today. if you watch the race you will see that prado cleared the lead from the outside post and could have been on the golden rail today. he stayed on the outside because he knew he was on a bad horse. he knew if the horse was going to go down he would be able to jump off. he was in the race to get claimed and take in sucker money.

well mission was accomplished, the horse went off at .80 and got claimed by robert dibonna.

u watched that horse when he returned from the race, he looked like he had a bow to me.

if this was japan, everyone involved would be called in. not in glorious gulfstream, i guess its business as usual.

i am not really blaming dutrow or prado, although the fact that prado was on the horse made it look like the horse was a good thing. i am blaming the system for not doing their job. why don't the stewards call these people in. why should the guy that claimed the get stuck with it? how come the state vet allowed that horse to run?

the public that bets on this horse got cheated out of their money. the people in the know did not plunk down their money on this fine specimen.

this happens every single day at most racetracks.

[ryesteve]

how come the state vet allowed that horse to run?

the public that bets on this horse got cheated out of their money. the people in the know did not plunk down their money on this fine specimen.
I agree that I'd like to hear the vet's perspective on this, since keeping horses like this in the barn is supposed to be his job... but anyone looking at the PPs would've been "in the know". Horses seldom drop 60% in claiming price off a good race for any other reason than physical problems. Do I like this stuff? Of course not... but it's not like the public was blindsided here.

[lamboguy]

horseracing is a great game, but you have to look at this objectively. casino's are alway's on the watch for someone in their system trying to find an angle to cheat someone out of their money. they have no reason to cheat you because the odds are alway's in their favor. you can complain that you might not win in the casino, but you can't complain about getting cheated out of your money. gaming commision's and hotel's spend bunches of money to make sure the game is on the level.

where is horseracing on this?

drugs, bad horses, late wagers, kickbacks in sales. selective enforcement of rules. that's what horseracing brings to the table.

now i ask you if you are a gambler and need action, are you going down to the racetrack or are you going to the casino?

[BIG HIT]

Point well taken best i have herd on casino behalf vs horseracing.As a horse player despite skulldougery if i could win all honest up and up race's every day think i would live happy ever after.And casino say it all about luck horse raeing say's knowledge make winner with little luck..
So player has to choice #1 they cheated him or two and this is the big one they pick WRONG horse and people generaly don't like saying there wrong.But you make good point

[lamboguy]

to play casino games takes no brains at all. there is no system that beats them outside of counting cards or pad rolling the crap tables, watching for bias on roulette and some guys claim they have systems to beat video poker. but if you can win the casino gets rid of you real fast.

in horseracing you must use your brain, you must be able to function unlike a slot machine. anyone that walks into a casino and thinks they can take the money out of the desert is a complete dope. they didn't build big buildings in the middle of a desert for anyone to take the money out of there.

[jotb]

feb. 11 gulfstream race 4 post position 11 diamond isle, trainer rick dutrow, rider edgar prado.

they had this horse in this race knowing this was a bad horse to begin with.

they turned edgar prado into a camakazie pilot today. if you watch the race you will see that prado cleared the lead from the outside post and could have been on the golden rail today. he stayed on the outside because he knew he was on a bad horse. he knew if the horse was going to go down he would be able to jump off. he was in the race to get claimed and take in sucker money.

well mission was accomplished, the horse went off at .80 and got claimed by robert dibonna.

u watched that horse when he returned from the race, he looked like he had a bow to me.

if this was japan, everyone involved would be called in. not in glorious gulfstream, i guess its business as usual.

i am not really blaming dutrow or prado, although the fact that prado was on the horse made it look like the horse was a good thing. i am blaming the system for not doing their job. why don't the stewards call these people in. why should the guy that claimed the get stuck with it? how come the state vet allowed that horse to run?

the public that bets on this horse got cheated out of their money. the people in the know did not plunk down their money on this fine specimen.

this happens every single day at most racetracks.

I'm not convinced that the rail was golden, nor do I think Diamond Isle could of made the lead. You are complaining about the system for not doing their job. First off, who twisted Bobby Dibona's arm to claim this horse? Secondly, Dutrow ran the horse where he could win. Diamond Isle's only win in 2008 was for 20k. You have to think what the horse is worth at this point in time. Just because he ran for 40k and finished 3rd, makes him really worth 40k. Dutrow tried to protect him in Jan when he ran in the starter race, which was for horses that ran for less than 25k. He couldn't win in that race (2nd). That's the reason why Bobby Dibona claimed this horse. The starter was won by Cuba, a horse trained by Dibona. Cuba is in today's 5th race at GP. Maybe, Bobby Dibona thinks he made a great claim, considering where he spotted Cuba today. JMHO Lambo

Joe

[lamboguy]

i am not blaming dutrow at all. i like dutrow alot. he is playing the game within the rules of the system. i am trying to say the system is wrong. from a claiming aspect and a betting aspect. we are just trying to come up with diferent ways to make the game more plauseable for new faces to walk in the door. when a better sees bad horses on a track time and time again, i think they will shy away from the sport. in japan they have taken more stringent measures to keep the standard of the game strong. in this country they have turned their heads and looked the other way.

putting a guy like edgar prado on diamond isle yesterday legitamises that horses chances. to me it stinks to high hell. maybe you don't see it the same way i do, and maybe others see it the same way.

[fiveouttasix]

In today's 3rd at GP Dutrow dops Masterwork from 35c to 10c...but the jockey is Mario Madrid. He will probably win with this one.

[lamboguy]

In today's 3rd at GP Dutrow dops Masterwork from 35c to 10c...but the jockey is Mario Madrid. He will probably win with this one.

no kidding!!

[NY BRED]

to play casino games takes no brains at all. there is no system that beats them outside of counting cards or pad rolling the crap table
in horseracing you must use your brain, you must be able to function unlike a slot machine. anyone that walks into a casino and thinks they can take the money out of the desert is a complete dope. they didn't build big buildings in the middle of a desert for anyone to take the money out of there.

years ago I was at Harrahs in AC getting killed at craps.I made my wife go
with me to the mechanical horse game, and told her I had a vision
of the 3-4 equinella coming in a 50-1.We waited for those odds to appear,
and sure enoughm about 10 minutes later, the 3-4 shows up at odds of
80 (at)-1. :jump:

We dumped in 200 coins, and bam, we hit, so we had the "perfect storm"


Moal of story: none, except I still left AC as a loser:bang:

[Relwob Owner]

feb. 11 gulfstream race 4 post position 11 diamond isle, trainer rick dutrow, rider edgar prado.

they had this horse in this race knowing this was a bad horse to begin with.

they turned edgar prado into a camakazie pilot today. if you watch the race you will see that prado cleared the lead from the outside post and could have been on the golden rail today. he stayed on the outside because he knew he was on a bad horse. he knew if the horse was going to go down he would be able to jump off. he was in the race to get claimed and take in sucker money.

well mission was accomplished, the horse went off at .80 and got claimed by robert dibonna.

u watched that horse when he returned from the race, he looked like he had a bow to me.

if this was japan, everyone involved would be called in. not in glorious gulfstream, i guess its business as usual.

i am not really blaming dutrow or prado, although the fact that prado was on the horse made it look like the horse was a good thing. i am blaming the system for not doing their job. why don't the stewards call these people in. why should the guy that claimed the get stuck with it? how come the state vet allowed that horse to run?

the public that bets on this horse got cheated out of their money. the people in the know did not plunk down their money on this fine specimen.

this happens every single day at most racetracks.


For a guy who constantly defends trainers and owners who do this and most recently, Michael Gill, I cant see why you are so up in arms about this. also, how can you not blame Dutrow in this instance if you think it is wrong?????

[lamboguy]

For a guy who constantly defends trainers and owners who do this and most recently, Michael Gill, I cant see why you are so up in arms about this. also, how can you not blame Dutrow in this instance if you think it is wrong?????

these guys are only doing what the system allows them to do. if you want me to say i aprove, well i don't.

recently i had a horse that ran, he won by 10 lengths and getting better and better. he came back from the race with a blown up ankle. the heat would not come down for 2 weeks. i got an x-ray on the ankle and found a chip in it that was moving around. instead of giving that horse every drug under the sun to try to get a race for him, i blistered him, got him sound and gave him to a girl that rides horses without the papers so she could never race him again. incidentally as far as i know michael gill is the same way with unsound horses as myself.

my beef about that race is that what dutrow did was perfectly legal, maybe not moral.

[Relwob Owner]

these guys are only doing what the system allows them to do. if you want me to say i aprove, well i don't.

recently i had a horse that ran, he won by 10 lengths and getting better and better. he came back from the race with a blown up ankle. the heat would not come down for 2 weeks. i got an x-ray on the ankle and found a chip in it that was moving around. instead of giving that horse every drug under the sun to try to get a race for him, i blistered him, got him sound and gave him to a girl that rides horses without the papers so she could never race him again. incidentally as far as i know michael gill is the same way with unsound horses as myself.

my beef about that race is that what dutrow did was perfectly legal, maybe not moral.


I agreed with much of your post until you said that Gill is the same way as you......uh, no.....anyone looking at what he did with Mighty Beau in November when he was dropped from 16K to 4K after stopping badly and at 4, broke down in the stretch and had to be put down----please, please take your Gill blinders off