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JustRalph
02-09-2009, 07:37 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/id/183663

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COVER STORY: BUSINESS
We Are All Socialists Now

In many ways our economy already resembles a European one. As boomers age and spending grows, we will become even more French.

The interview was nearly over. on the Fox News Channel last Wednesday evening, Sean Hannity was coming to the end of a segment with Indiana Congressman Mike Pence, the chair of the House Republican Conference and a vociferous foe of President Obama's nearly $1 trillion stimulus bill. How, Pence had asked rhetorically, was $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts going to put people back to work in Indiana? How would $20 million for "fish passage barriers" (a provision to pay for the removal of barriers in rivers and streams so that fish could migrate freely) help create jobs? Hannity could not have agreed more. "It is … the European Socialist Act of 2009," the host said, signing off. "We're counting on you to stop it. Thank you, congressman."

There it was, just before the commercial: the S word, a favorite among conservatives since John McCain began using it during the presidential campaign. (Remember Joe the Plumber? Sadly, so do we.) But it seems strangely beside the point. The U.S. government has already—under a conservative Republican administration—effectively nationalized the banking and mortgage industries. That seems a stronger sign of socialism than $50 million for art. Whether we want to admit it or not—and many, especially Congressman Pence and Hannity, do not—the America of 2009 is moving toward a modern European state.

We remain a center-right nation in many ways—particularly culturally, and our instinct, once the crisis passes, will be to try to revert to a more free-market style of capitalism—but it was, again, under a conservative GOP administration that we enacted the largest expansion of the welfare state in 30 years: prescription drugs for the elderly. People on the right and the left want government to invest in alternative energies in order to break our addiction to foreign oil. And it is unlikely that even the reddest of states will decline federal money for infrastructural improvements.

more at the link

BUD
02-09-2009, 07:56 AM
:lol: I don't wanna be anymore français----They are terrible shots--there ALWAYS drunk:sleeping:

jballscalls
02-09-2009, 10:02 AM
I've never been to Europe, so this will be like a vacation of sorts

BlueShoe
02-09-2009, 11:34 AM
Assuming Obama serves two terms.In 2017 which country will the United States most be like?
(A) Sweden
(B) France
(C)Soviet Union

Tom
02-09-2009, 11:50 AM
Iraq.

ArlJim78
02-09-2009, 11:52 AM
We've moved beyond France now. I read somewhere recently that there was some Obama-mania going on in France, and some of the common-folk were requesting their government implement a huge Obama-style stimulus package.

The finance minister bascially said "things are bad but we're not crazy".
What does it say when your socialist tendencies are found alarming by the French?

ArlJim78
02-09-2009, 11:54 AM
Assuming Obama serves two terms.In 2017 which country will the United States most be like?
(A) Sweden
(B) France
(C)Soviet Union

(D) Venezuela

BlueShoe
02-09-2009, 12:49 PM
Iraq or Venezuela?Or option (C),above?Before I submit to life in a society like that,I am going to burn a little powder.In fact,will burn as much powder as I can.Do not think that it cannot happen here,it can.We are not experiencing Democratic "change",we are experiencing a Bolshevik revolution.

BUD
02-09-2009, 01:24 PM
I least in a small bit I will no longer be active duty-----So I wont have to round you rebels up in your homes as you and your family sleeps----AFTER --we already confiscated your weapons----Those close to Boston or NYC are sayin---Weapons?----Hey honey this clown thinks people in America can actually get Gun Permits:lol:


Don't worry the Insurance Company shall kill me legally first:D

I have a letter from the hospital---Asking the simple questions for my health care---Mainly for The Ins Co-----I used some detective work-----When Asked who my Primary care doc is-----I found out the do nothing women on my cases name-----I put her info down-------

Holy Shhtt you thought I started WW3-----I guess I shouldn't of put her home address and her cell phone number---down on the paper work----teach those A Holes---


Hey Comrade----

ddog
02-09-2009, 01:51 PM
no matter if he stays 1 term or 2 , slamdunk time


MEXICO.

1/4 of the country already is.
big headstart there.

Marshall Bennett
02-09-2009, 02:05 PM
no matter if he stays 1 term or 2 , slamdunk time


MEXICO.

1/4 of the country already is.
big headstart there.
Think you may be on to something . :)

BlueShoe
02-09-2009, 02:53 PM
Actually,because of the economy and the collapse of the construction and service industry,some illegals have left and gone back home.Thats the good news.The bad news is that those that are out of work but staying here are turning to crime to support themselves.The other bad news is that when a job does become available,it is the illegal that gets hired at a cut rate wage,not the unemployed US citizen.If and when the economy does pick up,again,the illegal will get the job preference,and once again those that left will return.

Bubba X
02-09-2009, 03:26 PM
it's a cousin to the PerchReally? We don't have perch where I live.

ddog
02-09-2009, 05:24 PM
Actually,because of the economy and the collapse of the construction and service industry,some illegals have left and gone back home.Thats the good news.The bad news is that those that are out of work but staying here are turning to crime to support themselves.The other bad news is that when a job does become available,it is the illegal that gets hired at a cut rate wage,not the unemployed US citizen.If and when the economy does pick up,again,the illegal will get the job preference,and once again those that left will return.


Blue

Yeah I thought that as well, but I am now seeing it a little clearer.
The breadwinner may go back or not , the "family" no way, they are here and on the teat, it's no brainer, once their kids get into school we are on the hook.

no delay possible, fast track is in fact greased.

Also, the wage scale for the bottom 50% in this country is toast and is not coming back, employers will go underground to stay afloat, that means illegals and hope they don't get caught.

riskman
02-09-2009, 07:18 PM
Albert Einstein: “Never expect the people who caused a problem to solve it.”
These suits that are putting together this stimulus plan are the very same people who didn't notice that anything was wrong in the financial sector in the first place. Turbo Tax Geithner our new savior appointed by the Messiah was right there at the New York Fed, making deals with the banksters and other fraudsters in the financial sector , dining with the heavyweights of the financial industry,agreeing to the biggest piece of crap scheme in history ---was put over on investors and the public.
I am sure all this corruption---err, I mean stimulus is well-meant. Who doesn't want to try a fix for a Depression--oops ! recession. But this sham is not the answer. Because it doesn't solve the real problem – the debt. It moves the debt from the private sector to the public sector; overall, debt actually increases.

Some estimate there is $6 trillion worth of debt that needs to be eliminated before the economy can begin to grow again. Liquidation would do it – quickly and painfully. People would get what they had coming. The U.S. dollar-based system would collapse. Everyone would learn a lesson and be better off for it.

But that could happen only over the dead bodies of Ben Bernanke and the other frauds and thieves that put us there in the first place. Which is a good idea.These guys being dead I mean.

Most believe that somehow this stimulus plan.. will get us out of this mess without pain or suffering.Keep on dreaming---Mind altering drugs should be in big demand for the next four years.

Tom
02-09-2009, 09:49 PM
Really? We don't have perch where I live.

You do now!