Some Wintertime Pools

[Ray2000]

...........Win......Exacta....Trifecta
BigM......52143......87396......79012
WDB.......25852......27195......27117
BMLP......20000......30000 estimate
NFLD......12365......25376......42436
YR.........9208......15888......18262
DD.........9000......13000 estimate
CALX.......7741.......9187......15354
FHLD.......7021......16228......15064
WR.........4944.......7024.......9449 much larger on Sundays
PPK........4000.......6000 estimate
FRD........3571.......4232......6155
KD.........2259.......2397......4235 Sat
LON........2254.......3348......4596
FLMD.......1950.......2812......4651
RIDC.......1864.......2881......5023
NOR........1768.......1819......3071
NP.........1735.......2069......2919
BR.........1710.......3591......4168
SPCK.......1500.......1800.
KD..........250........430.......680 Tues

Canadian tracks.. average 2009 all race #5
USA tracks from last night (race 1, 5 ,10 ave)

[LottaKash]

As usual Ray, very interesting numbers......THX....:jump:

best,

[Ray2000]

I flipped the Saturday - Tuesday numbers at Kawartha, I'm sure nobody cares about that anyway.

The surprise to me was Northfield's action. I would have bet (and lost:)) that they wouldn't be higher than Yonkers.

I'll check them again when Summer gets here, and more tracks are racing.

[LottaKash]

Hey Ray, Yes I took exception to that Northfield oddity as well....go figure?

best,

[Ray2000]

maybe it's Tuttle's money:lol:

[Stick]

One time when I was at the track I asked many different people why they prefer Northfield to Yonkers when the quality of drivers and horses is so much better at Yonkers. Strangely, they all commented in one way or another that Northfield was presented in a better way. Things like Yonkers just looks weird. They look like they are running up hill at the beginning of the race and that the camera angle looks off in the lane. Many people said their favorite was Meadowlands not because of the quality of the racing but because the races look good on the TV. I guess all of this is important to someone just there to gamble.

[LottaKash]

maybe it's Tuttle's money:lol:

I wonder how the old boy is doin'....Probably workin' on another "Wonder Book"...(I wonder how much I can charge for this "new" junk)...:D

best,

[whyhorseofcourse]

Its great to see NFLD's handle so high.
IMHO they are a high betting track because
A.) They race all year (no breaks)
B.) Generally full fields
C.) Run 13+ races everyday and waste very little time going postward.
D.) The NFLD feed/skin is very high quality.
E.) Simulcasted at nearly all venues

Reasons for tracks like FHLD, DD, YRX and Calx dont handle nearly as much.
A.) Not simulcasted at a lot of OTBs and ADWs
B.) Times not so appealing 12:30 5:30 8:55
C.) Field size to incosisntent.
D.) Track feed is not very appealing

FWIW even thought northfield is my home track Dover is my favorite harness track.

[Sea Biscuit]

I wonder how the old boy is doin'....Probably workin' on another "Wonder Book"...(I wonder how much I can charge for this "new" junk)...:D

best,

He has disappeared like a thief in the night. He is probably onto his 18th book now. You know he wrote 16 books in 2008 and thats at a clip of one book per 22 days.

Sea Biscuit.

[Zman179]

Its great to see NFLD's handle so high.
IMHO they are a high betting track because
A.) They race all year (no breaks)
B.) Generally full fields
C.) Run 13+ races everyday and waste very little time going postward.
D.) The NFLD feed/skin is very high quality.
E.) Simulcasted at nearly all venues



Only problem is that I do not trust Northfield.

Why? Simple economics. Many races there carry a purse of $1800-$3000 (the Monday, Feb 9th card has purses in the 13 races of $1800, 1800, 1800, 2000, 2000, 2000, 1800, 2000, 3000, 2500, 2000, 2000 and 1800 respectively.) If a horse wins a race for an $1800 purse, the trainer and driver get $45 each and the owner $810. Yet the pools per race there easily go over $100,000 (with the exception of the first two races.)
Even Stevie Wonder can see that the horsemen would much rather dive into the mutuel pools than try to survive on such anemic purses. C'mon, the exotic pools of a single Northfield race will be three to four times higher than the total purse distribution for the entire evening!

I'm not saying that chicanery actually takes place there, but you can't turn your nose up at these numbers.

[LottaKash]

Only problem is that I do not trust Northfield.
I'm not saying that chicanery actually takes place there, but you can't turn your nose up at these numbers.

That is why I quit that place a long time ago, too many unexplained things in my book, and too often as well (I can live with sometimes)......Tons of chalk also.......Who needs it ?......

best,

[Ray2000]

Just to see if I made a mistake on NFLD-YR, I checked Saturday, Handles were about the same, Yr did better.

______Northfield Races 1 6 12 purses $2000 $4000 $4000

Win.............$7,653
Place...........$2,763
Show............$1,546
Exacta.........$17,329
Daily Double....$6,755
Trifecta.......$25,513

Win............$12,505
Place...........$3,442
Show............$1,834
Exacta.........$23,346
Trifecta.......$34,805
Pick 3..........$4,195

Win............$13,238
Place...........$3,974
Show............$2,317
Exacta.........$21,773
Daily Double....$5,270
Trifecta.......$30,112

Total handle these 3 races $218370

_______Yonkers Races 1 6 10 purses $15000 $15000 $31000

Win............$13,723
Place...........$4,079
Show............$2,265
Exacta.........$25,104
Daily Double...$16,252
Trifecta.......$28,184

Win............$15,998
Place...........$4,907
Show............$1,934
Exacta.........$27,514
Trifecta.......$28,310

Win............$15,995
Place...........$5,203
Show............$1,971
Exacta.........$25,603
Trifecta.......$25,741

Total handle these 3 races $242783