Eclipse Awards Tonight

[joanied]

http://www.paulickreport.com:80/blog/fearless-eclipse-predictions/

Paulick calls them...and he says the right things about most of his choices...and I agree with almost all...my exceptions would be trainer...despite drug positives, Paulick beleive Asmussen will get it...IMO, Dutrow should get it and I wish Baffert had been nominated...his BC day was outstanding and to train Midnight Lute up to his back to back wins...is awesome.
He's right about the filly division...we all wish Eight Belles could get the award, but Proud Spell deserves it. What they should do is present Eight Belles and her connections with some special award...but that won't happen.
I am still up in the air about Horse of the Year...as stated by Paulick, Curlin will most probably get it....but if my vote counted, sorry guys....it'd be for Zenyatta.

I am going to watch the show (TVG) and look foward to some great video clips and thank you speeches...should be a fun :jump: watch.

[cj's dad]

OMG- it's on TVG?? OH NO !!

The TVG bashers and haters will be out in full force tomorrow.
Batten down the hatches, Schrupp and Carrothers !!

[joanied]

OMG- it's on TVG?? OH NO !!

The TVG bashers and haters will be out in full force tomorrow.
Batten down the hatches, Schrupp and Carrothers !!

Probably so....but it's the only game in town...as long as it's televised, I don't care who has it:)

What do you think of Paulick's picks, Cj?

[Rocklane]

I think I heard Schrupp, Bray, and Byrne will be hosting.

Who are the voting participants?

[cj's dad]

The one I care about is older male (go figure) and as long as Curlin gets the award, I'm good to go.



Probably so....but it's the only game in town...as long as it's televised, I don't care who has it:)

What do you think of Paulick's picks, Cj?

[joanied]

The one I care about is older male (go figure) and as long as Curlin gets the award, I'm good to go.

Really...shame on you :D not to worry, no way Curlin doesn't get the older male...what if Zenyatta takes HoY??? (she won't, but what if)

[BombsAway Bob]

Where's Ken Rudulph...and Frank Lyons?
Ken's exchanges with the late Merv Griffin were hilarious at previous Eclipse Awards shows. Frank will probably be sitting at the IEAH table, telling stories he can't repeat on TV!

[point given]

Probably so....but it's the only game in town...as long as it's televised, I don't care who has it:)
..............

Famous last words :) If I had TVG i'd watch too i guessbut cable wants more $ for TVG which i willnot pay , report back with the hi and lo lites :sleeping:

[JustRalph]

I saw where Frank Lyons is going to be at LOS AL either this weekend or next weekend as the "Professional Analyst" this should be fun............

[Nacumi]

I'm rooting for Forever Together big time because she deserves the award based on her record, and because Mr. Strawbridge is a friend. :ThmbUp:

[BombsAway Bob]

I saw where Frank Lyons is going to be at LOS AL either this weekend or next weekend as the "Professional Analyst" this should be fun.....
Frank was scheduled to be on Los Al last Saturday Night. Thursday, Todd was joking there was NO WAY Frank would ever make it there; Friday afternoon, Mike Joyce did a faux "TVG News Update", announcing that Frank would NOT be appearing on 'The Quarters'. Too Bad, he could really loosen up there!

[lamboguy]

my favorite frank lyon's line of all time was when he discussing murray smith.

"boy, don't let the dress fool ya"!

man he got that one right.

she is probably the top pinhooker alive today

[joanied]

Famous last words :) If I had TVG i'd watch too i guessbut cable wants more $ for TVG which i willnot pay , report back with the hi and lo lites :sleeping:

We have Dish Network, and I don't think we pay extra for TVG or HRTV...I was thrilled when I found out we get those 2 channels because we never did before we got Dish Network...
anyway...the show is at this moment recording...I'll watch it tomorrow and will give ya the high's & low's...unless someone beats me to it.
I don't dare come here again now until after I watch the show...don't want to know the winners or anything before I see the show.
:) :jump: :)

[Rocklane]

Nice lecture from the 2008 handicapper of the year. Wrong venue, nice speech.

[bushwick]

Right speech. Wrong venue.
Bushwick

[Mineshaft]

There bringing Benny the Bull back from retirement.

[the little guy]

There bringing Benny the Bull back from retirement.


I guess Iavarone was a little off when he valued him at $10 million.

[Tom]

Is he going to replace Shrupp on air? :D

[Bubba X]

Thankfully it is almost over. I almost suffered a catastrophic injury staying awake.

[Marshall Bennett]

Chantal Sutherland and Jill Byrne made it worth watching .

[Tom]

Curlin, not even close.
BB not even close to the filly. Good. 13 too many.

[JustRalph]

Stronach stables beats out IEAH by 1 stinkin vote :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Curlin, not even close.
BB not even close to the filly. Good. 13 too many.Curlin was one weak HOY candidate, in my opinion. And the fact that BB only got 13 votes was pathetic in a year such as 2008.

Talk about connection-bias. Big Brown wins as many grade 1s as Curlin and Zenyatta, wins two of the biggest races of the year (Ky. Derby, Preakness), beats older horses on TURF, and can't beat Zenyatta in HOY voting....

Whatever...

[whyhorseofcourse]

Curlin was one weak HOY candidate, in my opinion. And the fact that BB only got 13 votes was pathetic in a year such as 2008.

Talk about connection-bias. Big Brown wins as many grade 1s as Curlin and Zenyatta, wins two of the biggest races of the year (Ky. Derby, Preakness), beats older horses on TURF, and can't beat Zenyatta in HOY voting....

Whatever...


Agreed!
I thought Curlin's 3 year old campaign was much better than his 4 year old. Big Brown deserved horse of the year, I doubt we will ever see a horse do what big brown did and not get HOY.

[Tom]

Curlin won in Dubai, came back to keep winning, tried turf, got beat by a BC turf winner and beat another one, then tried the poly. He danced a lot of dances, showed up for all but one, and still ran well into the stretch in that one.

BB beat some bad 3 yos twice.

The filly was perfect, but you can't be HOY is you run in restricted races.

I saw only one choice for HOY and he won it. Was BB 3yo champ? He deserved that ( like it means anything with that crop of crap!).

JMHO, but it's all I got!;)

[Stevie Belmont]

Curlin hands down was HOY...Not even a debate.

[joanied]

Right speech. Wrong venue.
Bushwick

Yes....agreed...sorta like a political speech at the Oscar's...wrong venue....but, very handicapper in the country needs to thank that guy...he said all the right things, and although it wasn't the right place...where else would he have had the chance to speak to the industry leaders all in one place...kudos:ThmbUp: to this guy...it was a brave thing to do.
Let's hope it did some good.

[joanied]

There bringing Benny the Bull back from retirement.

I was quite surprised at that announcment...wonder why they decided on bringing him back....maybe he was tearing up the pasture at the farm...whatever, it's great....and I hope he comes back as good as ever...he's an incredible horse, and although I was in hopes that Midnight Lute would get the award...Benny deserves it.

[joanied]

Agreed!
I thought Curlin's 3 year old campaign was much better than his 4 year old. Big Brown deserved horse of the year, I doubt we will ever see a horse do what big brown did and not get HOY.

I agree too...we all knew BB wouldn't get HoY, but I expected he'd get more votes...and for those who say he beat a bunch of bad horses...besides his win in Dubia...who did Curlin beat?
I guess this debate could go on and on....bottom line, I guess...it's over and we live with the results.

I was happy with almost all the winners...especially Proud Spell and Indian Blessing...the acceptance speech for Indian Blessing was wonderful...
I'm really mad :mad: because I was recording the show, but right after the Apprentice jockey award, the recording stopped:( so I didn't get to see Proud Spell get her award, or the HoY....maybe I can see a video clip of Proud Spell's moment...
Paasch accepting for Stardom Bound was also emotional...wonderful stuff. And the slow motion video of her on the track was beautiful

I thought it went rather well, some akward moments...especially with Gary Stevens messing up...I guess he was very nervous for some reason...he's usually so well spoken...
I thought Stonerside should have gotten Breeder.

Ivarone said all the right things...Mr. Slick did good.

[BillW]

Yes....agreed...sorta like a political speech at the Oscar's...wrong venue....but, very handicapper in the country needs to thank that guy...he said all the right things, and although it wasn't the right place...where else would he have had the chance to speak to the industry leaders all in one place...kudos:ThmbUp: to this guy...it was a brave thing to do.
Let's hope it did some good.

He is also probably the first PA poster to win an eclipse! Congrats Richard!

[tholl]

What happened to Jess Jackson's hair ??

[Marshall Bennett]

I don't recall anyone getting very excited about anything Curlin did . At least Big Brown and his campaign brought excitement with it . I really don't have a problem with Curlin winning , but I thought it was close .

[Tom]

I didn't watch much of it....did they have any awards on taped delay because they talked right through them? :lol:

[joanied]

What happened to Jess Jackson's hair ??

:eek: :lol: :eek:

[joanied]

I don't recall anyone getting very excited about anything Curlin did . At least Big Brown and his campaign brought excitement with it . I really don't have a problem with Curlin winning , but I thought it was close .

I agree...I was excited about seeing him run in Dubia....and his win was powerful and exciting....but other than that, not much there...we'd wait for him to race again, and when he did, IMO, it looked like he really had to work...it just never looked 'easy' in my eyes.
Big Brown sure did give us some thrills...even the 'nail biters'. Damned shame these two never had the chance to face off in a race.

[Stevie Belmont]

Jess shaved his dome in honor of Curlin...

Hair was sent to the makers of Pro Ride, maybe they can use it somehow...

[Nacumi]

Wonder why Stronach didn't show up to collect his prizes in person. Knowing his fondness for grandstanding, it's a bit surprising. :confused:

[sandpit]

Particularly since the ceremony was in Miami, very near his beloved Gulfstream Park Casino, Dining and Shopping Complex

[The Hawk]

Nice lecture from the 2008 handicapper of the year. Wrong venue, nice speech.

I missed it. What did he say?

[PaceAdvantage]

Curlin won in Dubai, came back to keep winning, tried turf, got beat by a BC turf winner and beat another one, then tried the poly. He danced a lot of dances, showed up for all but one, and still ran well into the stretch in that one.

BB beat some bad 3 yos twice.

The filly was perfect, but you can't be HOY is you run in restricted races.

I saw only one choice for HOY and he won it. Was BB 3yo champ? He deserved that ( like it means anything with that crop of crap!).

JMHO, but it's all I got!;)All three had huge holes in their HOY resume in my opinion. I have no problem with Curlin winning it, but to see BB such a distant third is a farce.

Curlin beat NOTHING in 2008. Wanderin Boy, Well Armed and Asiatic Boy aren't going down in the annals of racing as fierce competitors (not to mention Past the Point and Merchant Marine).

So, we have Big Brown who faced a weak 3yo crop and Curlin who faced a weak older group and Zenyatta who never faced males and raced primarily on California artificial (although to be fair, she did venture out ONCE to run on the dirt where she kicked butt).

Both Big Brown and Curlin lost the big ones in 2008 (Belmont for BB and BC Classic for Curlin). All three won four Grade 1s each (counting Dubai World Cup for Curlin)...

It's total BS that BB got shafted royally in the voting. Any other trainer/owner combo for BB and he definitely winds up in second place over Zenyatta.

[Bruddah]

Wonder why Stronach didn't show up to collect his prizes in person. Knowing his fondness for grandstanding, it's a bit surprising. :confused:


Maybe his Limo was repo'd. :lol:

[Marshall Bennett]

It's total BS that BB got shafted royally in the voting. Any other trainer/owner combo for BB and he definitely winds up in second place over Zenyatta.
Almost makes you wonder if winning the TC would have been enough for Big Brown to take HOY . The way the voting went down , I have my doubts .

[BillW]

Nice lecture from the 2008 handicapper of the year. Wrong venue, nice speech.

I'm at a loss at thinking of a right venue. When is the handicapper given a forum to speak?

[joanied]

I'm at a loss at thinking of a right venue. When is the handicapper given a forum to speak?

That's kinda what I said...he had a huge opportunity to speak to the industry...and he took it...somewhat of a gamble:rolleyes: :D ...I'm glad he spoke up...I don't handicap, but I was thrilled for every handicapper in America...all we need to do now is hope that everything he said didn't fall on deaf ears...that seems to be a huge problem for industry leaders...they just don't hear:mad: what the fans are saying :bang:

[The Hawk]

...all we need to do now is hope that everything he said didn't fall on deaf ears...that seems to be a huge problem for industry leaders...they just don't hear:mad: what the fans are saying :bang:

I would LOVE to know what he said. What was it?

[BillW]

I would LOVE to know what he said. What was it?

I've been watching for a replay on TVG. But haven't seen one yet. If I remember, last year they replayed it to death.

[cj]

I watched it earlier today. The part I saw was the guy talking about taxing winnings. There is no racing, only GP on HRTV, so they were showing the Eclipses I guess.

[BillW]

I watched it earlier today. The part I saw was the guy talking about taxing winnings. There is no racing, only GP on HRTV, so they were showing the Eclipses I guess.

Either I missed it or it is not showing up on the Dish Network schedule :mad:

[Rocklane]

He talked about customer service and Federal taxes. I think he really wanted to talk about cheating and high take but held back. I know it's an assumption on my part, but he was certainly holding something back.

Christ was standing on the outskirts just allowing the guy to rant.

Good stuff.....the only watchable part during the entire suckfest.

Anyone on PA board participate in the DRF tournament?

[Rocklane]

He talked about customer service and Federal taxes. I think he really wanted to talk about cheating and high take but held back. I know it's an assumption on my part, but he was certainly holding something back.

Christ was standing on the outskirts just allowing the guy to rant.

Good stuff.....the only watchable part during the entire suckfest.

Anyone on PA board participate in the DRF tournament?


OOPs! (Steve)Crist was standing on the outskirts letting him rant.

Confession time for me perhaps.

[BillW]

He talked about customer service and Federal taxes. I think he really wanted to talk about cheating and high take but held back. I know it's an assumption on my part, but he was certainly holding something back.

Christ was standing on the outskirts just allowing the guy to rant.

Good stuff.....the only watchable part during the entire suckfest.

Anyone on PA board participate in the DRF tournament?

Rich posts here, if he reads this, he may comment. :)

[NY BRED]

interesting that Mr.Ivarrone, unlike any other owner, never mentioned
the efforts of Kent Desoreaux but praised all the other owners and
the trainer in his "warm" recollections of BB.

Add that to the fact Ivarrone praised Prado for his ability to win
with Benny and you get a true sense of what IAEH is truly about

Mr Moss
actually reappeared to thank Mike Smith for his efforts on
Zenyata, which left the door open for Ivarrone..

The hearbreaking scene was watching Kent reminiscing with his wife abou BB,
and ultimately never given any credit for the two big wins in the Triple Crown.

But then again, it was Kent's fault, the horse couldn't win the Belmont
right :bang:

[joanied]

interesting that Mr.Ivarrone, unlike any other owner, never mentioned
the efforts of Kent Desoreaux but praised all the other owners and
the trainer in his "warm" recollections of BB.

Add that to the fact Ivarrone praised Prado for his ability to win
with Benny and you get a true sense of what IAEH is truly about

Mr Moss
actually reappeared to thank Mike Smith for his efforts on
Zenyata, which left the door open for Ivarrone..

The hearbreaking scene was watching Kent reminiscing with his wife abou BB,
and ultimately never given any credit for the two big wins in the Triple Crown.

But then again, it was Kent's fault, the horse couldn't win the Belmont
right :bang:


I noticed that also...and I have also been wondering...where IS Kent D these days...I haven't heard a word about him...like he's gone to the moon or something.

[Marshall Bennett]

I noticed that also...and I have also been wondering...where IS Kent D these days...I haven't heard a word about him...like he's gone to the moon or something.
He's still aboard Big Brown trying to find the wire at Belmont . :lol:

[joanied]

He's still aboard Big Brown trying to find the wire at Belmont . :lol:

Always the comedian, MB:D

[PaceAdvantage]

But then again, it was Kent's fault, the horse couldn't win the Belmont
right :bang:As if he's blameless in the matter? Stop it...

Kent D. was Ivarone's MAN. It was Ivarone who picked Kent for BB, not Dutrow. So for Ivarone not to mention Kent, that really speaks volumes.

[joanied]

As if he's blameless in the matter? Stop it...

Kent D. was Ivarone's MAN. It was Ivarone who picked Kent for BB, not Dutrow. So for Ivarone not to mention Kent, that really speaks volumes.

PA...I don't get your post :confused: ...it was Ivarone that picked Kent to ride...and his not mentioning Kent at the awards was, IMO...rude and inconsiderate...but you need to explain your post to me :blush: ...speaks volumes??

[PaceAdvantage]

Speaks volumes...in that, how do you FORGET someone you were almost completely responsible for in the first place?

[lamboguy]

i like kent, he is a good man. all he did was ride the horse. he did what durtrow told him to do. if you put rudy rodriguez on the horse you would most likey have the same result.

steve asmussen uses shawn bridgemohan as much as he can, because shawn knows exactly how steve like's his horse's ridden.

i always liked to stay with the same rider on a horse because a guy should know what the horse likes or doesn't like after he was on it.

the guy that deserves the credit for big brown is dutrow. he figured out the right blinkers, and that the horse loves to be on the outside of other horses at the start of a race. after big brown's poor performance he brought him back to top levels. it actually looked like big brown became braver in new jersey when he had to dig down deep and gave everything he had.

most important thing about big brown is he gave us something to talk about for years to come.

[Marshall Bennett]

i like kent, he is a good man. all he did was ride the horse. he did what durtrow told him to do. if you put rudy rodriguez on the horse you would most likey have the same result.

steve asmussen uses shawn bridgemohan as much as he can, because shawn knows exactly how steve like's his horse's ridden.

i always liked to stay with the same rider on a horse because a guy should know what the horse likes or doesn't like after he was on it.

the guy that deserves the credit for big brown is dutrow. he figured out the right blinkers, and that the horse loves to be on the outside of other horses at the start of a race. after big brown's poor performance he brought him back to top levels. it actually looked like big brown became braver in new jersey when he had to dig down deep and gave everything he had.

most important thing about big brown is he gave us something to talk about for years to come.
You and I can agree on issues ... away from OT . I'll add that its a shame that aside from one race there wouldn't be this discussion . In what other sport can one race , game , event , tarnish a career as it did with Brown's ? Anyone not in agreement should look no further than the voting for HOY . 13 out of over 200 ... rediculous !!

[joanied]

Speaks volumes...in that, how do you FORGET someone you were almost completely responsible for in the first place?

Okie-Dokie....that's what I thought:faint: ...if Ivarone seemed nervous, I could excuse it....but that guy has too much condifence to be nervous...so, I guess it was a 'slight' against Kent?? It's BS that he didn't give Kent credit...but guess it's no surprise coming from Mr. Slick.
Shame, shame, shame!!!

[goodall]

The most surprising thing about my Eclipse Award comments (I prefer that to ''rant'') was the positive feedback at the cocktail party afterward. Steve Crist, Alex Waldrop, Gary Stevens and the owner of Zenyatta, Jerry Moss, were especially gracious. I did my best to remind the powerful of racing that we bettors are a powerful force too; the customers of any business can't be ignored if you want them to remain customers. I am not naive enough to believe I accomplished anything major last Monday night but we have to start somewhere and if this was the wrong venue, point me to right one.
For me, the best line of the night belonged to my wife,Sally. When I pointed out Mike Smith to her and said I thought he was one of the best jockies on the planet, she said '' and he's a great dancer''. All that and an Eclipse Award too, ain't the beer cold.

[joanied]

The most surprising thing about my Eclipse Award comments (I prefer that to ''rant'') was the positive feedback at the cocktail party afterward. Steve Crist, Alex Waldrop, Gary Stevens and the owner of Zenyatta, Jerry Moss, were especially gracious. I did my best to remind the powerful of racing that we bettors are a powerful force too; the customers of any business can't be ignored if you want them to remain customers. I am not naive enough to believe I accomplished anything major last Monday night but we have to start somewhere and if this was the wrong venue, point me to right one.
For me, the best line of the night belonged to my wife,Sally. When I pointed out Mike Smith to her and said I thought he was one of the best jockies on the planet, she said '' and he's a great dancer''. All that and an Eclipse Award too, ain't the beer cold.

Congradulations :ThmbUp: to you on your Eclipse....and maybe it wasn't the right 'venue'....but I think you can see from the posts here that no one cared about that...as I mentioned, you saw your chance and grabbed it....way to :jump: go!!!
I thought you did really well...took some guts to say what you did....with a large TV audience and industry leaders there, how could you not take advantage of that opportunity to speak for the fans.
Wether or not your words fell upon deaf ears remains to be seen...if track records say anything, all those industry folks have already forgetten:ThmbDown: what you said...but let's hope not.

Mike Smith is a great dancer...how cool is that...one of the best riders ever, and he can dance too.....love:) it!!

[NY BRED]

Mr. G.

you were truly one of the high spots of the night, and you were recommended
to get involved with one of the committees (NTRA?) which would, in my
opinion be great.

I especially like your reference to keeing the spirt alive with the
next day edition of the DRF(although I use other data) :)


Best

Gary