Big Mack ( or any other conservative Christian), your opinion please ?

[Rookies]

I'm always amazed at how UN-Christian, conservative Christian schools can be. Fine, upstanding values taught there !

How about a little homily on this story...
Dallas Academy Bulldogs, 100-0 losers, gain national attention http://www.dallasnews.com/images/ice3/icons/video.gif



01:53 PM CST on Saturday, January 24, 2009



By BARRY HORN / The Dallas Morning News
bhorn@dallasnews.com (bhorn@dallasnews.com)


The Dallas Academy Bulldogs, losers of a 100-0 high school girls basketball game last week, have emerged as America's sweethearts.

Also Online


01/24/09: Dallas Academy, 100-0 losers, gains national attention (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/012409dnspoacademy.4194876.html)

Floyd: Show sportsmanship instead of condemning Dallas Covenant (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/localnews/columnists/jfloyd/stories/012409dnmetfloydcovenant.219aee38.html) 01/23/09: Covenant School seeks forfeit of 100-0 win (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/012309dnmet100ptforfeit.1e54d45.html)
http://www.dallasnews.com/images/ice3/icons/links.gif Link: Covenant statement regarding the game (http://www.covenantdallas.com/podium/default.aspx?t=204&nid=505868&sdb=1)
http://www.dallasnews.com/images/ice3/icons/blog.gif Opinion blog: Remorse as sportsmanship (http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/sportsmanship-i.html)
http://www.dallasnews.com/images/ice3/icons/blog.gif Metro blog: Cuban invites Dallas Academy players to Mavs game (http://metrocolumnistsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/dallas-high-school-team-that-l.html)

01/22/09: Dallas academy coach sees a win in 100-0 loss (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/012209dnsposhutout.40d72ee.html)

Learn more about Dallas Academy athletics (http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/school.html?schoolId=1113&propertyId=1)

Dallas Academy girls basketball scores, schedule (http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/schoolinfo.htm?propertyId=1&sportId=7&schoolId=1113&infoType=schedule)



They have become the rage of network television. Today, they're scheduled to appear on two early morning national shows, and the gifts are piling up.

"Everybody who hears the story is sympathetic if not empathetic," said Andrew Morse, executive producer of Good Morning America Weekend, explaining the media interest. "Everybody has been on a losing side and felt what it must have been to look at the scoreboard as the other team's point total continued to mount."

It's made for a grueling schedule.

The girls were up late Thursday night to participate in a faux practice taped by ABC's World News. After the report that mentioned the final score, their traditional losing ways and their learning problems was broadcast Friday night, anchor Diane Sawyer, looking straight into the camera, offered a gentle cheer, "And go Bulldogs."

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Video: Dallas Academy team interviewed by national media (http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=325018&shu=1)



Early this morning, the girls will be back in the Dallas Academy gym for a segment on ABC's Good Morning America Weekend. As soon as ABC is finished with them, CBS' Saturday Early Show will step in to do its interviews.

Presumably, Sunday will be a day of rest. Then everybody will be back in the gym early Monday morning for a scheduled interview with Matt Lauer of NBC's Today show.

And there has been Mark Cuban's invitation to be his guests at a Mavericks game as well as a call from Nike about sponsoring a team trip to the Feb. 15 NBA All-Star Game in Phoenix. There may be some new uniforms thrown in.

The story unfolded on Jan. 13, when The Covenant School's team overwhelmed Dallas Academy, 100-0, keeping the pressure on until it reached 100 points. The game was played in an old North Dallas gym with few fans other than parents as witnesses. No media were present. But the score appeared in The Dallas Morning News the following day. It wasn't until a story about the game appeared in The News that the world took notice.

It was on Thursday, the day the story appeared, that Covenant, a North Dallas Christian School, issued an apology on its Web site, saying its team had achieved "victory without honor" and said it would forfeit the game.

When posted on dallas news.com, the story attracted 665,000 page views, the most since a controversy over who should be the Grapevine High School valedictorian attracted 853,000 in 2008. The season-high story for the Cowboys, perennial Web site favorites, was 300,000 page views in November when Tony Romo took a homeless man to the movies.

E-mails have flooded in from across the country and as far away as China commenting on the story. Most have questioned the motives of Covenant's coach for "running up" the score. But some have defended the coach for allowing his girls to play to their potential. None have blamed the Covenant players.

The attention has stunned Dallas Academy, which told its side of the story only after it was asked.

"It's really silly," said Jim Richardson, the school's headmaster, who has continually emphasized he has no hard feelings and pointed out that Covenant head of school Kyle Queal once spent time working for him as a substitute at Dallas Academy. "I remember once seeing a 1940s Gary Cooper movie in which people made a big deal about nothing. I think we're getting there fast."

[Tom]

If you are not fit enough to compete, you should quit. They could have walked away. They chose to stay. Good for them. But quite bitching about it.
Learn from it - like, maybe they should try bowling? :lol:

So they got drubbed, To friggin bad.......live stinks. It was a game, not an ice cream social. Christian has ZERO to do with it. Just another lib way to try to "feel good" about things. That is why they are so damn weak and pathetic.

If you have anything inside, you take that loss and turn it into motivation, into drive, and you come back better, more focused, more able to play, Or you go home and cry and play with your dolls. Nothing makes you work harder than humiliation.

God be with you, your soul is in His hands...
But the game is in yours!:cool:

[bigmack]

If by 'any other' you're insinuating that I am a conservative Christian, you got the wrong guy.

My interests lay elsewhere.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/bikinis.jpg

[Rookies]

The fact that you would respond that way, in any case, was exactly why I left the story in that format.

I didn't want any "extraneous" details to crowd your judgement. So, now I know exactly where you stand... " the rest of the story , Tom ".


Dallas High School Runs Up 100-0 Score in Girls' Hoops Game

Posted Jan 22nd 2009 2:00PM by Will Brinson (http://backporch.fanhouse.com/bloggers/will-brinson/) (author feed (http://www.fanhouse.com/bloggers/will-brinson/rss.xml))

Filed Under: High School (http://backporch.fanhouse.com/category/high-school/), Women's Sports (http://backporch.fanhouse.com/category/womens-sports/), Youth Sports (http://backporch.fanhouse.com/category/youth-sports/), Sports Media (http://backporch.fanhouse.com/category/sports-media/)


There are several schools of thought when it comes to running up the score. There's the "Steve Spurrier Run 'Em Up" philosophy (blow out your opponent until they beg for mercy.) Then there's the "Tee Ball Let's Make Sure Everyone Plays and Screw the Score" mode of operating.

It seems pretty obvious that The Covenant School in Dallas subscribes to the former. How do I know? Well, because they beat another team (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/012209dnsposhutout.40d72ee.html) 100-0 in a girls' high school basketball game. The best worst part? Their opponent, Dallas Academy, is a school that caters to students with learning disabilities.
But they won't be playing Covenant again this season; they canceled their Jan. 30 game against the team. After the game, Dallas Academy informed the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools that it was withdrawing its girls team from the league for the rest of the season.

"We just said, 'The hell with it,' " said Jim Richardson, Dallas Academy's headmaster.

Against Covenant, Dallas Academy was surprised to see an obviously superior team keep the pressure on until it scored its 100th point in the fourth quarter. "I'm sure they could have won by 30 points and still had just as good a time," Civello said.
To make matters worse, the Covenant coach, Micah Grimes, has issued what appears to be a really weak attempt at an apology, saying that "It just happened."

Pardon me for being blunt, Mr. Grimes, but that's just stupid. 100 point games don't just happen in the NBA, they don't just happen in college basketball and they sure as hell don't just happen in a girls' high school basketball game, especially against an opponent that's losing 59-0 at half.

Grimes also went on to describe the game as "a learning experience" which is just embarrassing. The good news is that both the headmaster of Covenant and the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools seem pretty willing to make amends; while I'm not one to typically call for someone's resignation, it would be nice if part of that process involved teaching Grimes how to dictate a better apology.

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't get the point of this thread. Mind you, I just skimmed the article, but seriously, what's the point?

I guess the point is that this "Christian" school was supposed to have compassion on its opponent and not run up the score? OK, I'm bored already.

Is the point that their opponents (the 100 point losers) are learning disabled, and thus the "Christian" school should have showed mercy on the disabled? OK, now I'm really bored.

My question would be, why would a "disabled" team be playing what I gather was a non-disabled team?

My other question would be, just because you are learning disabled, does that mean you can't play sports effectively? Hell, you can look to much of American professional sports to see that the two aren't necessarily correlated! :lol:

[GaryG]

The starter of this thread must have some agenda but who knows. Let me just add this: I am a Christian that played football in high school and college. When you are on the field there are no friends except those with the same color jersey as you are wearing. The rest are the enemy no matter who they are or what their religion is. This ain't church boy, this is football. Get a grip.

[toetoe]

No sexual under-/overtones intended, but you, Sir, are quite the flamer. :ThmbDown:

[jballscalls]

As a very much non christian, i dont get what the author of this thread is trying to show?? Does it actually say in christianity some where 'thou shalt not run up the score' ??

The only sport that should have a mercy rule of any kind is baseball, because its one of the only sports that isnt on a fixed time.

[ddog]

leaving aside the christian angle, i played as well and we called off the dogs many times.

I think college is different from High school sports, but i would still say the calling off the dogs doesn't mean you are a wimp or a loser.

sporting courtesy should regulate the score in the mentioned case.

Sports don't build character they reveal it.

P.s. Tom, i assume you have never had much experience leading "teams" for if you did you would know that your "humiliation" statement is wrong at a macro level.

[Rookies]

I don't get the point of this thread. Mind you, I just skimmed the article, but seriously, what's the point?

I guess the point is that this "Christian" school was supposed to have compassion on its opponent and not run up the score? OK, I'm bored already.

Is the point that their opponents (the 100 point losers) are learning disabled, and thus the "Christian" school should have showed mercy on the disabled? OK, now I'm really bored.

My question would be, why would a "disabled" team be playing what I gather was a non-disabled team?

...The starter of this thread must have some agenda but who knows. Let me just add this: I am a Christian that played football in high school and college. When you are on the field there are no friends except those with the same color jersey as you are wearing. The rest are the enemy no matter who they are or what their religion is. This ain't church boy, this is football. Get a grip.



Oh, where to start ? There's just never any " understanding ", let alone acceptance of any divergent view in this Forum.

I'm searching for a phrase from Shawshank BOY. Oh, here is is: " were you just being obtuse " ? Perhaps, though you skipped those silly little steps that cause one to be a Christian. You know, the throw aways like: " You are your brother's keeper ", " Blessed are the meek "... you know THAT NONSENSE which differentiates a " Christian " school, up 59-0 at the half, from say, Thug- Miami U !

And here's a couple of "grips" for you. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=p6cOp6EDFlI
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/videopage.html?nvid=303316

These are non Christian schools, but somehow, they figured it out !

As for you Pace, I'm guessing one of the reasons, you're so bored, is that you don't have a kid with Special needs.

I DO !

So unlike yourself, I'm not bored when I see hypocricy and idioccy from a place that should know better.... way, way better. And, I'll be calling them out until I'm 6 feet under !

There's a long learning curve for you concerning children with special needs, down the road of what is called ( here it comes) "integrated schools ". I know that will set off all kinds of the usual alarm bells, but so be it.

[DJofSD]

If by 'any other' you're insinuating that I am a conservative Christian, you got the wrong guy.

My interests lay elsewhere.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/bikinis.jpgI'm a pagan looking for salvation. Can I get a baptism at your church, Mackie?

[JustRalph]

If by 'any other' you're insinuating that I am a conservative Christian, you got the wrong guy.

My interests lay elsewhere.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/bikinis.jpg

What? You can't be interested in beautiful Women and be Conservative Christian? No way........ :lol:

[Rookies]

Hobbesian choice... Ralph !

Either you wear the hair shirt or you are the hare ! :lol:

[Tom]

Rookies, stop reading articles....you aren't equipped to process information.
Stick to DNC, pablum format.

[HUSKER55]

Hey bigmack, which church do you go to? I like your choir.:D

[Steve 'StatMan']

Part of being being a good person is learning to do the right thing. Sometimes we know what it is up front. Sometimes we don't fully realize until afterwards, and have some remorse or second thoughts. Then we try to make up for the past if we can and defintely try to be better in the future, and hopefully do the right thing at the right time instead of too late. That's just a part what I think is the natural process of the good person lifestlye - it has been a part of the Christian lifestyle I've developed over time (such as it is, as no one is perfect, definitely not myself), but those behaviors aren't limited to any particular faiths at all - just part of becoming a kinder, more compasionate human being - for those that strive for such things. Being a good, kind person wanting to show a sign of the joy in your heart and hopefully through those actions reflect the love you realize your God has shown you, and the love you have for God, can be a heart-felt motivator, but isn't mandatory to be a good person or to do the right thing.

[PaceAdvantage]

As for you Pace, I'm guessing one of the reasons, you're so bored, is that you don't have a kid with Special needs.

I DO !OK then, you are in a perfect position to answer at least one of the two questions I posed in my prior reply.

Why is a school for special needs playing a not-for-special-needs school ?

Either they are playing each other because the learning disabled kids aren't physically disabled, and therefore can match up with the not-for-special-needs kids on the court (of course the final score did not bear this out), OR, somebody seriously screwed up the schedule.

I love it how almost every thread posted in off-topic by a left-of-center type of person invariably attacks one of the following:

Bush
Republicans
Christians

And then they wonder why certain other folks are quick to respond and/or defend....

[Show Me the Wire]

[QUOTE=....
I love it how almost every thread posted in off-topic by a left-of-center type of person invariably attacks one of the following:

Bush
Republicans
Christians

And then they wonder why certain other folks are quick to respond and/or defend....[/QUOTE]

Ignorance is a breeding ground of fear. These types fear what they do not understand.

They throw out some well known phrases associated wtih the particular subject matter without any understanding of the subject.

Such a phrase like, blessed are the meek. Well in this case it seems the meek have been blessed due their loss on the court. The meek have been rewarded by other compassionate people.

Yet the original poster did not comprehend resulting blessings received by the meek. Nor does he understand the meaning of mercy as he portends to call them out until he is six feet under.

[Tom]

I find it very distasteful and sad that anyone would be hard up enough to make a political point that he would use special needs kids to set up a "Gottcha thread."

Too bad IGGY is as far we can go here.
This sickness is unacceptable.

[Rookies]

I love it how almost every thread posted in off-topic by a left-of-center type of person invariably attacks one of the following:

Bush
Republicans
Christians

And then they wonder why certain other folks are quick to respond and/or defend....

Again, you are incorrect Pace- about me. Left of center I am... on some things; on the right on others.
For example, I've started 7 threads here:
* This one;
* Honouring fallen Canadian soldiers from Afganistan;
* Promoting Remembrance Day;
* Saluting John Walsh;
* Saluting Sarah Palin on her son Trig;
* One commenting on Poll Numbers;
* Ripping Bush for his idiotic stance on GAMBLING.

Sure, I've commented on Bush a few times -like his idiotic decision to not pardon those border agents for a very, very, long time, but also other things. And, I most certainly never started anti Bush Presidential threads daily which now occur here 15 times per day with Obama. So you are dead wrong about me, but feel free to post what you see fit.

As for your question, it is a difficult subject. Not difficult in understanding that when you are up 59-0 at the half you don't try and beat your opponent (who you know have some special needs) 100- 0 ! That's not a question of being a good Christian, which is the central issue in this case; it's simple common sense. Because, of course, the highly skilled team must have known their opponent. I did, as it was easy to google them.

Some schools , with special needs studnets, wish to try and "fit in" as best they can, which means playing sports against those who are vastly superior. In other cases, it is the type of rare one time opportunity to play, that happened in the 2 videos I showed you. The point is, that these things demand some understanding and sensitivity, traits shockingly absent from that Christian school.

Steve the Stat man had a very good take here :ThmbUp: and I don't mind the observation that I am lacking mercy in certain situations. I confess- I am ! If I feel that certain situations are badly out of whack, I'm not going to let them pass. I believe that lessons need to be learned all the time... by all of us, myself included.

[Rookies]

Tom, I deliberately didn't say gotcha to YOU.

You have your own philosophy on the generic situation and you stated it. You believe in obliterating the opponent, no matter what.

Got it.

[Marshall Bennett]

I have a problem with a team unable to score a single point in an entire game . This must be humiliating to a child playing at any level . The humiliation began with the coach by sending them on to the court against an obviously superior group of kids . As a volunteer myself with challenged individuals , I find this insulting and degrading . The opposition did the correct move by scoring often and willingly . They're there to do their best , not to sandbag or quit . The adult(s) in charge were the villains on this one .

[JustRalph]

he got his ass fired............ I don't necessarily disagree with it............ :lol: The coach was just stupid......... plain and simple

[Grits]

Why is a school for special needs playing a not-for-special-needs school ?

Either they are playing each other because the learning disabled kids aren't physically disabled, and therefore can match up with the not-for-special-needs kids on the court (of course the final score did not bear this out), OR, somebody seriously screwed up the schedule.

Ok guys, c'mon let's sharpen the thought processes on this one. PA, first, I doubt this has anything to do with anyone screwing up the schedule. What you have, as I'll indicate by a little bit of research is two schools--one with an enrollment of 280, the other, an enrollment of 158.

When you have an area, as large as Dallas/Fort Worth, or for the matter, even a much smaller area the private schools with sports programs--which most will have for the purpose of offering a well rounded curriculum--will face off against one another throughout the school year. Of course, as we know, they're not going to be involved in competing with a Division 1A or 4A public school.

Private vs Private. And in this case, looking further at the girls and boys varsity basketball team schedules this is readily seen. Covenant School, another Episcopal School, a Prep School, etc, etc, etc.

Looking at the Dallas Academy site one learns this is a fine school targeted towards those students with learning disabilities, which not only includes ADHD, dyslexia, visual and auditory problems, but also autism. And parents throughout the country would probably move heaven and earth to find one such learning institution grades 1-12 in their own communities. Especially given the rate autism is being diagnosed today.

Too there is quite a hefty tuition. And in reading testimonials from parents whose children have attended the academy its appears students have done well, including many of whom have continued their studies at colleges and universities.

http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/26725

And yes, the Covenant School coach, Micah Grimes, as reported by the Dallas Morning News tonight at 9:15 pm CST has been fired.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/012609dnspocovenantnu.2781526.html

I doubt the publicity will harm this school and its population in any way whatsoever, more than likely, quite the contrary.

Rookies, you're on a long and arduous path.

Keep with you, Roosevelt's famous words . . . . "Walk Quietly But Carry A Big Stick."

[toetoe]

I was SURE that the saying was Chairman Mao's. :blush: .

[Indulto]

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..."Speak softly and carry a big stick." Teddy Roosevelt picked it up in West Africa:

"In a letter written in 1900, a year before he became president, Theodore Roosevelt wrote, "I have always been fond of the West African proverb: `Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.'' He repeated what he called this "homely old adage" in a speech as president in Chicago in 1903, and twice again in his writings after that. Every time, it was "Speak softly." " …

[toetoe]

Well, I love the guy, slaveowner or not. :kiss:

[Rookies]

Thanks Grits and finally, Covenant School stepped away from the trees to see the forest !

COACH FIRED FOR 100-0

AP

January 26, 2009 --
DALLAS - The coach of a Texas high school basketball team that beat another team 100-0 was fired yesterday, the same day he sent an e-mail to a newspaper saying he will not apologize "for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."

Kyle Queal, the headmaster for Covenant School, said in the Dallas Morning News online edition that he could not answer if the firing was a direct result of coach Micah Grimes' e-mail disagreeing with administrators who called the blowout "shameful."

Queal did not immediately answer phone messages or e-mail from the Associated Press.

On its Web site last week, Covenant, a private Christian school, posted a statement regretting the outcome of its Jan. 13 shutout win over Dallas Academy.

"It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened. This clearly does not reflect a Christlike and honorable approach to competition," said the statement, signed by Queal and board chair Todd Doshier.

Grimes, who has been criticized for letting the game get so far out of hand, made it clear in the e-mail yesterday to the newspaper that he does not agree with his school's assessment.

"In response to the statement posted on The Covenant School Web site, I do not agree with the apology or the notion that the Covenant School girls basketball team should feel embarrassed or ashamed," Grimes wrote in the e-mail, according to the newspaper. "We played the game as it was meant to be played. My values and my beliefs would not allow me to run up the score on any opponent, and it will not allow me to apologize for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

[cj's dad]

Great, the coach is fired, gets a job as Coach K's assistant and Duke immediately rolls up the score on the Univ of Maryland 85-44. This guy is no sportsman. Fire him now!!

[Tom]

Damn winners.....who do they think they are?

[chickenhead]

I didn't bother to read the thread, but the title is inspired!

[ddog]

smart move , some things are better off being PASSED OVER!
:kiss:

[JustRalph]

Great, the coach is fired, gets a job as Coach K's assistant and Duke immediately rolls up the score on the Univ of Maryland 85-44. This guy is no sportsman. Fire him now!!

I saw that, Gary Williams I bet was about to pop a vein............

I love Gary Williams........Great Coach!!

[Tom]

It is winless over the last four seasons.

THEY should have hired him when he got fired....seems like they could use someone who knows how to win. :D

0 for 4 years.....who's really taking advantage of this team?

[Sailwolf]

If by 'any other' you're insinuating that I am a conservative Christian, you got the wrong guy.

My interests lay elsewhere.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/bikinis.jpg



ENLARGE THAT PICTURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bigmack]

ENLARGE THAT PICTURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have two remaining wishes. (Keep ToS in mind)

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/bikinis-1.jpg

[mostpost]

First; three comments on this 100-0 item
1 It's not Bush's fault. Everything else is!!!
2. It's not the Republican's Fault. Everything else is!!!!
3 Seriously, Christianity has nothing to do with it.

Permit me to say that were I playing on a team that was losing a game badly, I would be insulted if members of the opposing team stopped playing to the best of their individual and team abilities. If you don't want to lose, work to get better.

That being said; there are things that can be done to avoid unnecesarily running up the score. The coach can substutute more freely than he traditionally would. He can give players who do not normally have a chance to play that opportunity. He can slow down the pace of the game. Some coaches will institute a minimum pass rule (5 or more passes before running a play) You can play a more passive defense. (Prevent the other team from scoring, but don't press or attempt to steal the ball) You should always play your best, but it is possible to do so without humiliating the other team