Gitmo

[GaryG]

From the new monarch:

"We will close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and determine how to deal with those who have been held there."

Barry's choices:
1. Give them first class passage to the terrorist country from whence they came.
2. Bring them to Florida and give them welfare money, ala Jimmy Carter and the Marielitos.

We should have killed them all to start with and then we wouldn't have this problem.

[HUSKER55]

My thought exactly. Who ever heard of a gentlemen's war.

[Grits]

No let's don't do either of these. Get down and dirty.

Let's put on prime time, naked, castrate 'em and watch 'em bleed out.

A one hour special, or better yet . . . . . a new reality show. Span it over an entire season. What could we call it?

New episode every Sunday night after 60 Minutes.

One castration per week.

Who lies, dies!

No going home and all like that.

(Cheney's expressed no desire to be a lobbyist, this could be his 4th career. Reality show host, coming on the heels of thief, veep, and shooter.)

[2low]

No let's don't do either of these. Get down and dirty.

Let's put on prime time, naked, castrate 'em and watch 'em bleed out.

A one hour special, or better yet . . . . . a new reality show. Span it over an entire season. What could we call it?

New episode every Sunday night after 60 Minutes.

One castration per week.

Who lies, dies!

No going home and all like that.

(Cheney's expressed no desire to be a lobbyist, this could be his 4th career. Reality show host, coming on the heels of thief, veep, and shooter.)

We need people to volunteer to house them, sort of like foreign exchange students. If the host can teach them about our culture real quick, they might not asplode any moms and kids down at the Safeway produce section.

[riskman]

Bottom line---The Geneva conventions should be the only arbiter of what is possible for governments to do to human beings.

[JustRalph]

There will be no incentive to "capture" on the battlefield anymore.

Army Rangers don't like to have to "escort" them back to base anyway......... :lol:

[Tom]

No let's don't do either of these. Get down and dirty.

Let's put on prime time, naked, castrate 'em and watch 'em bleed out.




Gitmo of Congress? :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Who knew after 9/11 Democrats would be itching to go backwards as far as national security is concerned.

Seems like Obama can't roll back the clock fast enough. This is progress?

Frightening.

[Dave Schwartz]

Bottom line---The Geneva conventions should be the only arbiter of what is possible for governments to do to human beings.

Riskman,

Y'all suppose that 9/11 was okay by Geneva?

Dave

PS: Sorry for the accent. I caught it from Grits. <G>

[prospector]

this was on the AP wires today

WASHINGTON – A released Guantanamo Bay terror detainee has reemerged as an al-Qaida commander in Yemen, highlighting the dilemma facing President Barack Obama in shaping plans to close the detention facility and decide the fates of U.S. captives.

A U.S. counterterror official confirmed Friday that Said Ali al-Shihri, who was jailed in Guantanamo for six years after his capture in Pakistan, has resurfaced as a leader of a Yemeni branch of al-Qaida.

[ddog]

Ah, a couple of questions at least....

why the confirm
would they/the public know.........??
6 YEARS, hmm lot can change in 6 years.


hmmmmmm.

[prospector]

Ah, a couple of questions at least....

why the confirm
would they/the public know.........??
6 YEARS, hmm lot can change in 6 years.


hmmmmmm.
the better question is why released and not killed?

[Lefty]

riskman, the Geneva convention does not apply to terrorists! It only applies to those who have been sent to war by a Country and wears the Uniform of that country.

[ddog]

maybe worth more live than dead.

the world's a strange place, who knows for sure on this side of the door?

[GaryG]

maybe worth more live than dead.

the world's a strange place, who knows for sure on this side of the door?Feed them to the hogs....then they will be worth something.

[ddog]

riskman, the Geneva convention does not apply to terrorists! It only applies to those who have been sent to war by a Country and wears the Uniform of that country.


as usual go read the thing and then post the sections that support your view.

there are sections that deal with unlawfulls.

[ddog]

Feed them to the hogs....then they will be worth something.

yeah, we could kill them all on first contact.
i guess that would help break up the other cells.

hogs would be fat and happy, not sure about us.

[Lefty]

Unlawfuls is the understatement of the year. Can't you say terrorists? You prob want em all to have lawyers too.

[BlueShoe]

So Gitmo is closing?Fine,so why dont we solve the problem the fast,easy,inexpensive way?Take every one of those murdering bastards outside,line them up against a wall in front of a firing squad,and shoot them.Problem solved.Every one of them hates us,and will hate us and try to kill us until they take their last breath.Those that have been released have gone right back to being terrorists,so why not end the problem by using a firing squad?I know,I know,the Left would be horrified by such a though.After all,it would save American lives,and when did Liberals care about that when we are actually mean toward our foes?

[HUSKER55]

Wouldn't it be ironic if BO release those guys and they came back and killed a bunch of liberals?

I wonder what tune they would sing then

[JustRalph]

Wouldn't it be ironic if BO release those guys and they came back and killed a bunch of liberals?

I wonder what tune they would sing then

Who do you think were in the twin towers?

They were New Yorkers......... you can make certain assumptions............I guess

[DJofSD]

Ah, a couple of questions at least....

why the confirm
would they/the public know.........??
6 YEARS, hmm lot can change in 6 years.


hmmmmmm.Six years is nothing. Sixty, six hundred and more, means nothing to a culture like theirs. If you're hoping that attitudes have tempered, you're fooling yourself. They can and will wait for as long as it takes. Typical Americans can't wait for anything any longer. A salient example: how many times have you heard that the only way to get young people interesting in betting T'bred races is to reduce the wait time between races?

[PaceAdvantage]

Six years is nothing. Sixty, six hundred and more, means nothing to a culture like theirs. If you're hoping that attitudes have tempered, you're fooling yourself. They can and will wait for as long as it takes.Makes no sense to me. They must be awfully stupid. Patient, but dumb as rocks.

You hit America HARD...kill almost 3000, knock down TWO iconic buildings in the span of two hours....but then you do NOTHING for the next eight years while your enemy fortifies its defenses and shores up its weak points.

Great strategy.

You know what I say? "Thanks once again to GWB for keeping the murderous bastards at bay for seven plus years even when everyone was predicting we would be hit multiple times in the coming weeks and months after 9/11."

[ddog]

You know what I say, yeah kudos to Bush, what's done is done.
But, you know what I also say, you forget the history before 9/11/2001 don't you?

How long were they trying until they got it right?
They had the resources in country to do a bunch of small attacks now didn't they?
But,they held off until the right time it seems.

I wouldn't be so sure you understand their goals.


Dj, i was not intimating their attitudes have changed.
it was just that to believe everything on face value as to the release of these types, well just like the "we will be hit again and again soon", it's just a little to pat for me to take.

[ddog]

Unlawfuls is the understatement of the year. Can't you say terrorists? You prob want em all to have lawyers too.


you will go to any lengths, spew back any nonsense it seems to avoid a serious conversation or heavens forbid actually read anything of substance.

[hcap]

Wouldn't it be ironic if BO release those guys and they came back and killed a bunch of liberals?

I wonder what tune they would sing thenI don't think releasing them outright is what Obama is about to do as you gentlemen claim . Once again the PA high-fivers run with a distortion of their own making.

Or maybe we should play stupid like this repug genious?

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/23/king-ksm-citizenship/
: Let’s just say that, that, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, is brought to the United States to be tried in a federal court in the United States, under a federal judge, and we know what some of those judges do, and on a technicality, such as, let’s just say he wasn’t read his Miranda rights. … He is released into the streets of America. Walks over and steps up into a US embassy and applies for asylum for fear that he can’t go back home cause he spilled the beans on al Qaeda. What happens then if another judge grants him asylum in the United States and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is on a path to citizenship. I mean, I give you the extreme example of this. :lol: :lol: :lol: :jump: :eek:

Husker, killing liberals much more remote then Rep King killing reality
(What if they were tried and stuck in a Supermax prison or Leavenworth?)

Anyway to answer your hypothetical question about what songs-tune?

How about from
“Songs of the Bushmen” by Harry Shearer

I particularly like Runmy's classic “Stuff Happens”

[HUSKER55]

Right hcap. Kings reality has a far far better chance of happening. If it did, and Mohammed moved in next to you, I take it you would welcome him with open arms?

We have a couple judges in my neck of the woods that would make that happen.

[Lefty]

dog, history before 9/11 is the FBI and CIA and others could not share information because of a law called "The Wall" instituted by a dim.
Also Clinton had 4 chances to kill Bin ladin but didn't take them because he was afraid if anyone else got killed his approval ratings would suffer. He wasn't like Bush, a pres who put country head of his approval ratings.
there ya go.

[riskman]

Riskman,

Y'all suppose that 9/11 was okay by Geneva?N

Dave

PS: Sorry for the accent. I caught it from Grits. <G>

At one point the Supreme Court ruled the Geneva Conventions applied to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees. Bush and his boys were having none of that. Thus was born and passed by Congress the Military Commission Act of 2006. One part of this bill, immunizes U.S. officials from prosecution for torturing detainees who the military and CIA captured BEFORE the end of 2005.
The bill prohibits any person from invoking the Geneva Conventions or their protocols as a source of rights in any action in any U.S. Court. So Bush and gang made things right.Now their "legal".

[Tom]

The court was wrong. Not unusual. They hit about 50%.
The Court never protected anyone from a terror attack, but they certainly are doing all they can to make the next one easier. There is no honor in the KKKourt. None at all.

[Bubba X]

From the new monarch:

"We will close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and determine how to deal with those who have been held there."

Barry's choices:
1. Give them first class passage to the terrorist country from whence they came.
2. Bring them to Florida and give them welfare money, ala Jimmy Carter and the Marielitos.

We should have killed them all to start with and then we wouldn't have this problem.

Not to upset the narrow, yet safe-feeling place you are in, but there are some FACTS that you might want to think about:

1. At it's height, Gitmo had 750 detainees
2. There are currently less than 250 detainees
3. The Bush administration released those 500 no longer held.
4. Recidivism rates are an interesting read. You might try looking that up.
5. There are FAR better places for detainees to be held than Gitmo. Specifically, in places where torture is not as as unacceptable as it is in the U.S. and where we can still influence and control detention.

Then again, maybe it wouldn't be good idea for you to let facts get in the way of a good rant.

[Tom]

5. There are FAR better places for detainees to be held than Gitmo.


Says who?

Then again, maybe it wouldn't be good idea for you to let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Or maybe you agree with Obama's murder policy. He murdered 18 presumed innocnet people in Pakistan on what, Day2 of his reign of terror? If he is saying that all these battlefield detainees have the right to our courts, how can you justify his murdering people without a trial, with not evidence, with no miranda......murder, outright murder!!!!! CAll the World Court - we need to put this bum on trial for MURDER!

[Bubba X]

Says who?

Then again, maybe it wouldn't be good idea for you to let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Or maybe you agree with Obama's murder policy. He murdered 18 presumed innocnet people in Pakistan on what, Day2 of his reign of terror? If he is saying that all these battlefield detainees have the right to our courts, how can you justify his murdering people without a trial, with not evidence, with no miranda......murder, outright murder!!!!! CAll the World Court - we need to put this bum on trial for MURDER!

Says me.

You may carry on the World Court trial on your own.

[JustRalph]

5. There are FAR better places for detainees to be held than Gitmo. Specifically, in places where torture is not as as unacceptable as it is in the U.S. and where we can still influence and control detention.

and Obama closed those places down with the stroke of a pen the other day............

He closed the CIA "dark sites" also............. that means those places don't exist anymore.

[Show Me the Wire]

Obama lied and innocent people died.

[Bubba X]

and Obama closed those places down with the stroke of a pen the other day............

He closed the CIA "dark sites" also............. that means those places don't exist anymore.
What about Bagram?
What about Asadabad?
What about Qatar?

[Tom]

Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?

Gitmo is just fine as is. The only problem with Gitmo is a few
limp wrists in DC.

[Show Me the Wire]

I think we are misestimating Mr. Obama's intelligence. The man has a difficult time distinguishing between a door and a window. Too much of a nuance for him.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/01/28/2009-01-28_hey_bam_thats_not_the_door.html

At least Preident Bush went to a door.


As an aside this piece really demonstrates the bias of the mainstream media. If our former president made this gaffe, it would be the lead story for every outlet.

But Mr. Obama gets a pass, is it because both windows and doors open?

[Bubba X]

I think we are misestimating Mr. Obama's intelligence. The man has a difficult time distinguishing between a door and a window. Too much of a nuance for him.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/01/28/2009-01-28_hey_bam_thats_not_the_door.html

At least Preident Bush went to a door.


As an aside this piece really demonstrates the bias of the mainstream media. If our former president made this gaffe, it would be the lead story for every outlet.

But Mr. Obama gets a pass, is it because both windows and doors open?
Not even that filthy leftist rag Fox News reported on Obama's gaffe. The conspiracy horror just goes on.

[GaryG]

Not even that filthy leftist rag Fox News reported on Obama's gaffe. The conspiracy horror just goes on.Is this a Vast Consiracy like the one Hillary was looking for? Tell me, how do you feel about the fairness shown at MSNBC? :lol: :lol:

[Show Me the Wire]

Bubba X:

Yes the horror goes on. The media did everything to make President Bush look like an idiot, so that all his policies would be questioned. BUt let us not make Mr. Obama look like an idiot, even though he tried to use of a window as a door. Let's continue the myth this man is a genius. What a load of crap.

Mr. Obama's policies are idiotic, especially expandig front of the Afghan war to Pakistan.

The horror of propaganda goes on.

[PaceAdvantage]

I will posit that Obama simply caught his image in the window and instantly turned to worship it for a moment. After all, he's Obama...

[Bubba X]

Is this a Vast Consiracy like the one Hillary was looking for? Tell me, how do you feel about the fairness shown at MSNBC? :lol: :lol:Aside from maybe a few minutes of Scarborough in the early am, I don't watch msnbc. No Olberman, etc. What for? To be told what to think? I also don't watch OReilly or Hannity or CNN. It is not news, it's opinion. No thanks. I will watch Lehrer or BBC a bit, read the WSJ and a couple other papers online.

My comment was to simply point out the poster's obvious overstatement of the importance of media slant.

[ddog]

I will posit that Obama simply caught his image in the window and instantly turned to worship it for a moment. After all, he's Obama...

c'mon pa you know his type don't have no reflection!
:D :eek:

[ddog]

Bubba X:

Yes the horror goes on. The media did everything to make President Bush look like an idiot, so that all his policies would be questioned. BUt let us not make Mr. Obama look like an idiot, even though he tried to use of a window as a door. Let's continue the myth this man is a genius. What a load of crap.

Mr. Obama's policies are idiotic, especially expandig front of the Afghan war to Pakistan.

The horror of propaganda goes on.


I guess I would agree with the "expanding" part? but , let's be clear.

The only reason that front has not been "expanded" even more in the past is that we did not think we had the resources at the time.

There was no doubt Bush , if the mil would have gone along would be in there hip deep.

We have been in an out of there for years.