No money for White Male's in Stimulus....Amazing

[JustRalph]

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[magwell]

If you didnt hear Reich say that, you would never belive it.....unreal

[Tom]

Rangle talking about formulae....sounds like code to me.
Didn't take long for the real agenda to come out.

[dav4463]

With the huge increase in the Mexican American community; will the white male soon be considered a minority and we can get some free handouts too?

[jognlope]

White males and females. Please, I'm the most invisible of all, over 40 single, supporting self, no kids. There ain't no sympathy for me out there, believe me. It was with some comfort and I heard on the news that single women outweigh married now by 51% to 49%.

That's why I take comfort in what NYS has to offer. The state will pay you two grants toward your heating bill per year and high income limit, too, up $600 from last year, $2400 a month for single person.

I just hope SS doesn't go under or I'll be hopping trains I guess.

[cj's dad]

White males and females. Please, I'm the most invisible of all, over 40 single, supporting self, no kids. There ain't no sympathy for me out there, believe me. It was with some comfort and I heard on the news that single women outweigh married now by 51% to 49%.

That's why I take comfort in what NYS has to offer. The state will pay you two grants toward your heating bill per year and high income limit, too, up $600 from last year, $2400 a month for single person.

I just hope SS doesn't go under or I'll be hopping trains I guess.

So, you're happy that you weigh more than a married woman ??

[jognlope]

Outnumber. YEEHAW!!!!!!!

[miesque]

White males and females. Please, I'm the most invisible of all, over 40 single, supporting self, no kids. There ain't no sympathy for me out there, believe me. It was with some comfort and I heard on the news that single women outweigh married now by 51% to 49%.

That's why I take comfort in what NYS has to offer. The state will pay you two grants toward your heating bill per year and high income limit, too, up $600 from last year, $2400 a month for single person.

I just hope SS doesn't go under or I'll be hopping trains I guess.

I am totally with you on that, as a caucasian, single female professional in my mid 30s with no dependants I am getting totally screwed by the tax code. And in regard to Social Security I really don't think there is going to be much if anything when I get to 67, especially after seeing firsthand how Generation Y is not exactly setting the world on fire from a career and work ethic perspective.

[jognlope]

I know, they job hop like crazy. OMG I hate paying social security tax, that whoping 15%, kills me at tax time; it's way too high. Even if you can whittle down your net income to, say $9,000, there's $1350 that you have to cough up (I''m an independent contractor). Keep healthy!!

[boxcar]

I am totally with you on that, as a caucasian, single female professional in my mid 30s with no dependants I am getting totally screwed by the tax code. And in regard to Social Security I really don't think there is going to be much if anything when I get to 67, especially after seeing firsthand how Generation Y is not exactly setting the world on fire from a career and work ethic perspective.

Excellent observation about generation Y. The lowly ant's work ethic is significantly superior to Y's! All Big Gov has to do is figure out how to tax ants, then we'd never have to worry about world's biggest Ponzi scheme going belly up. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[boxcar]

If you didnt hear Reich say that, you would never belive it.....unreal

Rush always said the libs are obsessed with race and gender issues. Once again, he is right. This is how they keep the country divided.

Boxcar

[ddog]

why desire an honest days work, it's been shown in the last 20 years to be a sure path to the poor house.

don't blame 'em at all.

If i had started out from where they are and seeing all the ripoffs by the slime that run the place, well maybe not participating is the best course.

Let it go down and start over.

[Lefty]

Reich doesn't surprise me. He wrote a book while he was in Clinton Admin about income redistribution. He once said on a morning show(while with clinton) that deficits aren't necessarily a bad thing.
lookout: Under Obama deficit spending will suddenly become a good thing.
The Dims goal: get as many people dependent on their handouts as possible and stay in power forever.

[Tom]

Take a look at his so-called stimulus package - looks like a shopping list for
Pork is Us.

It is not a stimulus package, it is Instant Socialism, just add water.

[TurfRuler]

Rush always said the libs are obsessed with race and gender issues. Once again, he is right. This is how they keep the country divided.
Boxcar

If you don't like the way this country is then go back to Sweden, Germany or one of the Cacasus states (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russian Federation, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.)... where all caucasian (Creole's) came from, the rest of us will just enjoy our liberty and free speech and your money.

[boxcar]

Reich doesn't surprise me. He wrote a book while he was in Clinton Admin about income redistribution. He once said on a morning show(while with clinton) that deficits aren't necessarily a bad thing.
lookout: Under Obama deficit spending will suddenly become a good thing.
The Dims goal: get as many people dependent on their handouts as possible and stay in power forever.

Exactly right! The idea is to get as many people as possible conditioned to handouts, entitlements and welfare so that we will have zero incentive to strive for self-sufficiency. The government will become Pavlov and the people its dogs.

Long live King Stinky the messiah!

Boxcar

[ddog]

Reich doesn't surprise me. He wrote a book while he was in Clinton Admin about income redistribution. He once said on a morning show(while with clinton) that deficits aren't necessarily a bad thing.
lookout: Under Obama deficit spending will suddenly become a good thing.
The Dims goal: get as many people dependent on their handouts as possible and stay in power forever.

Lefty, to quote someone "There YOU go again".

While reich-stag is a dummy our glorious Bushco and CHeny, WHO ACTUALLY SAID "deficits don't matter" and practiced same as public policy were no pikers here.

bama and co will now proceed to do the same thing Bush/Cheny did only on an accelerated pace.

They are now only left with trying to keep from outright default through shifting dead junk to the fed and later with wild printing and hyper-inflation.
IF they succeed, the carnage will be unreal as the "debt load" that has been built up over the past 20-30 years on the PRIVATE side has no easy resolution.

You better get the blinders off and get ready.

[bigmack]

If you don't like the way this country is then go back to Sweden, Germany or one of the Cacasus states (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russian Federation, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.)... where all caucasian (Creole's) came from, the rest of us will just enjoy our liberty and free speech and your money.
You sure got a hair up your keister about white folk.

Obama will not be elected President of the United States because of people that look like you sir.

So much for that huh?

Are you still bent about the NewYorker cover with O & Michelle?

[Tom]

If you don't like the way this country is then go back to Sweden, Germany or one of the Cacasus states (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russian Federation, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.)... where all caucasian (Creole's) came from, the rest of us will just enjoy our liberty and free speech and your money.

I think this crosses the line.....racist crap is not tolerated from anyone.
Grow up or shut up. You comment exposes you for what you are....and it ain't pretty.

[Tom]

You sure got a hair up your keister about white folk.


But he is eager to take white man's money.....which was the point he was arguing against wasn't it? :lol:

Can you spell D-U -H?

[ddog]

I think this crosses the line.....racist crap is not tolerated from anyone.
Grow up or shut up. You comment exposes you for what you are....and it ain't pretty.


I don't see it , many on this board post stuff about Muslims and others about send them back or love it or leave it, same deal.

He has a right to racist views , although those are not that.
He may not have a right (granted from PA) to post them here, but i think the moderators should decide that and the rest let them do that.

[boxcar]

Reich doesn't surprise me. He wrote a book while he was in Clinton Admin about income redistribution. He once said on a morning show(while with clinton) that deficits aren't necessarily a bad thing.
lookout: Under Obama deficit spending will suddenly become a good thing.
The Dims goal: get as many people dependent on their handouts as possible and stay in power forever.

Exactly right! The idea is to get as many people as possible conditioned to handouts, entitlements and welfare so that we will have zero incentive to strive for self-sufficiency. The government will become Pavlov and the people its dogs.

Long live King Stinky the messiah!

Boxcar

[jognlope]

Ad nauseum, I have to repeat "no program is as good as its auditing system." People will grab what they can. Shouldn't part of the bailout by low interest small business loans...

[LottaKash]

I don't see it , many on this board post stuff about Muslims

He has a right to racist views ,

.

Yeah, infidel, believe in allah or we will kill you...some religion.....:eek:...that is in their book of peace and love...

[ddog]

Yeah, infidel, believe in allah or we will kill you...some religion.....:eek:...that is in their book of peace and love...


Kash ole buddy, while i expect we agree on many things, I could quote back to you Christian verse that's as bad or worse.

I do not believe and see no eveidence that ALL Muslims follow a dog( :lol: )matic course.

There are and were MANY, even the vast majority that do not ascribe to death to all of us.

Now, we can help to change that, but I don't think that should be the goal.

[Lefty]

dog, turf says go back to your caucsasian countries and that isn't racist? Of course it is.

Poor deluded Turf: with most of us it's not about race; it's about POLICY.
Let's say it together: "IT'S ABOUT POLICY"

[Lefty]

dog, deficits got a little outta hand with Bush, but he lowered taxes and that helped counter them. Now Obama's plan is to grow the deficit to unbelievable numbers and RAISE taxes. You can't understand the difference?

[The Judge]

In one post you are saying a bunch of folks are in Washington waiting to line-up for the handouts in the other you are arguing because somone is talking about leaving you out. Make up your mind do you want the hand out or not!

Don't sit on the fence say loud and clear "I want a cut of anything thats being handed out".

[Lefty]

judge, don't think anyone's crying about being left out. It's the blatent racism of the statement. Did you hear Reich say what he said, judge? Listen to Hannity or O'reilly on Tv tonight. One or both will prob replay it.

[The Judge]

It sounded racist to me although I think he was trying to say some need the money and others don't . What ever he was trying to say I disagree with it . I think we should all get a hand out. Didn't you guys get $1,000 check not to long ago? What did you do, send it back? If you kept your refund its all talk. I know it was your money in the first place, its a hand out and you took it.

I want whatever is being given out. The rich never sacrifice they always want more and will steal yours.

[Lefty]

judge, are you that naive or just uninformed. The rich never sacrifice? Who do you think pays the bulk of the taxes?
You're just another pitful example of class envy?
You don't think a white construction worker needs the money as bad as any other construction worker?
Yes, Bush sent some checks, but he sent them to ALL taxpayers and did not disqualify any taxpayer. It's the liberals who are the racists. They can't speak on any subject without making it about race.

[boxcar]

dog, turf says go back to your caucsasian countries and that isn't racist? Of course it is.

Poor deluded Turf: with most of us it's not about race; it's about POLICY.
Let's say it together: "IT'S ABOUT POLICY"

Imagine if a white said that all blacks should be sent back to their black roots -- to their BLACK countries. I'd bet my life this whackjob Turf would call such a person racist. But of course, Turf is above racism when he says all this in reverse. :bang: :bang:

Boxcar

[Tom]

The whole liberal philosophy is to take it from someone else. the words "earn it" are not in their vocabulary. Notice so far, the word "incentive" has never left Osama, uh, Obama's lips? Funny how those who have never accomplished a thing are always right there crying about taxing those who have more and more?
Sounds like common thieves to me. Oh, wait, they are!
The only difference between Osama, uh, Obama and liquor store robber is the SS drives the getaway car. He is a thieve, a murdered, a liar, and a terrorist enabler. Facts.

[The Judge]

You read what you want to read it makes no difference what was actually said . I said the statemet was "rascist" I said everyone should get some of the hand-out this would include white construction workers. Whats so hard to understand.

Don't like the word "handout" well thats what your right wing cohorts called it I'm just following suit.

I would like to know are you guys going to accept the hand out or send it back. Keep it, well how about that. Keep talking more talk more...

[Lefty]

judge, you said the rich make no sacrifices. a lot of rich people sacrificed plenty just to get rich in the first place. They worked hard and then some democrat wants to take it away and give to some not so industrious. The rich pay most of the taxes. So judge, you're wrong.

[The Judge]

and I say rich are not the same thing when you talk about "rich" for tax purposes a husband and wife making a combine salary of $73,000 are considered "rich" that is they would be included in your statistic of who pays the most taxes. They are not rich, the top 20% of American tax payer starts at $99,500 per household this is not rich yet they pay "the most taxes."

When I say rich I mean the super wealthy, guys that make $200,000,000 a year and so on while they real owners of the company,the shareholders go broke. These rich seem to being fine not matter what shape the economy is in or who is in office after all didn't they fly to Washington in 600 private jets and this is after they're best friend was leaving office.

[Boris]

Didn't you guys get $1,000 check not to long ago?

No. Someone made the decision I didn't need it.

[GaryG]

If you don't like the way this country is then go back to Sweden, Germany or one of the Cacasus states (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russian Federation, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.)... where all caucasian (Creole's) came from, the rest of us will just enjoy our liberty and free speech and your money.I just saw this one....what a great post! Whitey back to Sweden!!

[Tom]

broke. These rich seem to being fine not matter what shape the economy is in or who is in office after all didn't they fly to Washington in 600 private jets and this is after they're best friend was leaving office.

These were all Obama a supporters. Filthy, stinking earth-killing jets and the Messiah said nothing. e will take the coal out of a poor family's stove but allow his rich, bribe-providing goons to kill our environment. He is a bio-ho.

[TurfRuler]

I just saw this one....what a great post! Whitey back to Sweden!!


Wait till I get my Almanac!

[Tom]

I just saw this one....what a great post! Whitey back to Sweden!!

But leave your money here for him. Surprised? :lol:

[ddog]

dog, deficits got a little outta hand with Bush, but he lowered taxes and that helped counter them. Now Obama's plan is to grow the deficit to unbelievable numbers and RAISE taxes. You can't understand the difference?


there is no plan left, lefty.
bushco and buddies have driven into the ditch now it really doesn't matter what is done.

it's sad you are so spun that you can't realize that the country has been sold down the river for at least the last 10 years and I would maintain longer.

the spin and noise for you and others on this board just seem too great for you to overcome i guess.

i really could give a crap what bama does as the die is cast and i never expected, get it, expected him to do anything other than what you say, since that's what he said he was going to do for 2 years or so.


HOWEVER, Bush/cheney SAID the opposite and I guess I was the bigger dope then since I actually thought that even though Bush was a clown and lightweight that Cheny and the others around him would drive the deal in the correct direction.


WELL, that was my bad I guess, but I don't have to LIKE it none the less.

[HUSKER55]

The auto companies are no different than any other business. The selling price of your product has to include all of your expenses. If it doesn't,.....duh...you are out of business and/or you are one bumb idiot.

The government wants to bail them out. For arguemnts sake let us assume that car loans total $100B and the government gives them $50B. If they need the money now to pay bills the that is fine but reduce my loan by 50%.

But no. They get $50B for what...bad management and we "the people" get another bill, this one for $50B and we still have to pay off our auto loan.

Our government, regardless of which side of the aisle you are on, just got sucker punched by a car salesman.

BO does not have what it takes to say NO.

[Tom]

just said NO to national security.

[cj's dad]

Instead of the guvmint printing and handing out money (our money) to their pals, why not put a moratorium on federal income tax collections for a year. Think a 20%+ raise in your take home pay wouldn't stimulate spending? I know it would stimulate mine.

[Bubba X]

Instead of the guvmint printing and handing out money (our money) to their pals, why not put a moratorium on federal income tax collections for a year. Think a 20%+ raise in your take home pay wouldn't stimulate spending? I know it would stimulate mine.

Well, that's a good idea, but not a new one. I'll bet dollars to dimes the stimulus bill the Senate puts out will have a payroll tax "holiday," which puts $$ back in the hands of employers and anyone works for a W2 wage.

[Lefty]

Dims proposing a tax holiday?
When pigs fly.

[JustRalph]

Instead of the guvmint printing and handing out money (our money) to their pals, why not put a moratorium on federal income tax collections for a year. Think a 20%+ raise in your take home pay wouldn't stimulate spending? I know it would stimulate mine.


if you don't get a paycheck............ you wouldn't get any benefit............ oops.......therein lies a problem with your brilliant plan.......... but I love the idea.

Years ago Rush Limbaugh proposed the idea of all Federal and State taxes be removed from withholdings for just one year. He proposed that everyone be required to write a check on April 15th for what they owed. I am all for it.

It would no longer hide the confiscatory tax rates we face. It would make people look at their checkbooks and realize how bad they are getting killed...........

[ddog]

you have been under a tax holiday for years and years.
You see on a national level, you have none of YOUR/our money to spend.

We already have allocated it all , so any type of extra spending is borrowed money, guess what that isn't and never was YOUR money.

So, since taxes have not been enough to pay for the spending you rely on , you have had a tax holiday for years and years.

It's the paying for what you have already used/bought part you can't stand.

typical childish rightie behaviour , the world owes me everthing , I ain't pay'in fer it though.


The worst part though is this nutty "group think" that things need to be stimulated.

[Lefty]

Dog, I propose your post as dumbest of the yr.

[Lefty]

"the world owes me everything, I ain't payin fer it." You think that's a rightie position? We are glad to pay for everything we get. We just don't want to pay for food, shelter and health insurance for people who won't do for themselves.

[ddog]

Dog, I propose your post as dumbest of the yr.

you always "SAY SUCH SWEET NOTHINGS" but you never say how to get to such a position.

To be on the top of your dumbest list, well let's just say, that's a comfort.

[Tom]

Dims proposing a tax holiday?
When pigs fly.

Lefty, you do not want to know what a dim would consider a tax holliday! :eek:

[Lefty]

you are having some probs, eh? I didn't say you were on my dumbest list or any list. I said that certain post of yours was dumb.
Sweet nothings? What else don't you understand?

[mostpost]

Creative editing is great if yoiu work for Disney or Dreamworks. The You Tube video posted at the start of this thread is an example of creative editing which serves a more nefarious purpose. The purpose of alienating people with a common interest. Reich does NOT say that white males should be excluded from jobs under the Economic Stimulus Plan. He does not say "White Males Need Not Apply". He merely says that a percentage of these opportunities should be set aside for minority groups. Some on this board complain that "certain people" want "something for nothing". Here we have people who want an opportunity to EARN a living. To WORK for what they receive. How, then, can you say that they should not be afforded this chance.
I know that some will say, "I should have to hire an unqualified worker/contractor just because they are a minority." I believe that your precious free market will take care of that. There are plenty of qualified minority workers/contractors to take care of that.
Here is a link to the Media Matters story which places Robert Reich's remarks in proper context. http://mediamatters.org/items/200901230015?f=s_search

[mostpost]

judge, are you that naive or just uninformed. The rich never sacrifice? Who do you think pays the bulk of the taxes?
You're just another pitful example of class envy?
You don't think a white construction worker needs the money as bad as any other construction worker?
Yes, Bush sent some checks, but he sent them to ALL taxpayers and did not disqualify any taxpayer. It's the liberals who are the racists. They can't speak on any subject without making it about race.

OK This is my pet Peeve. "The Rich pay the bulk of Taxes" Then they quote the "fact" the wealthiest 1% of the population pays 38% of the taxes. (A republican
mewmber of the House made this claim on MSNBC the other day and it bothered me that the host didn't call him on it.) This assertion is incorrect on a number of levels. First; the 38% refers to income tax. If you include other federal taxes such as payroll taxes, the percentage drops to 24.8%. The second factor which is conviently omitted is that the top 1% controls over 38 percent of the wealth. So they pay LESS than their fair share. The other side of the coin is that the least wealthy 60% of Americans have less than 5% of the wealth, but pay more than 14% of federal taxes. This information can be found at "The Offoce Of Social Justice of the Archdiocese Of St. Paul Mn.
www.osjspm.org/101_taxes.aspx (http://www.osjspm.org/101_taxes.aspx) which qoutes "congressional budget office and United for a Fair Economy among their sources

[ddog]

you are having some probs, eh? I didn't say you were on my dumbest list or any list. I said that certain post of yours was dumb.
Sweet nothings? What else don't you understand?

now you can't even decipher your own rantings, it's really getting time for the short bus to roll on out with you.

You posted "i propose your post as dumbest OF THE YEAR".

Now any reasoning entity would presume you have a list or a sample of the other dumbest post, maybe all mine and from that list or sample or your hallucinations(?) you picked this one.

I don't see what you are even backing away from , but you are a wonder, that's for sure.
:rolleyes:

[Lefty]

dog, read up, I said your post was dumbest of year. I did not say you were dumb. Don't make me rethink it.

[Lefty]

mostpost, the so called rich pay the highest tax rate, so don't know why you think they're not paying their fair share. Since I think there should be a flat tax and we all pay the same pctg rate; I think they are paying more than their fair share.

[JustRalph]

media matters.........yeah right......... a bastion of Liberal Deceit..........


Reich said what he said.


I don't believe in Minority set asides either...........

[Lefty]

dog, no I don't have a list, but your post was dumbest I have read this year or last. I hope I have put this simple enough for you to understand.
And yes, I am a Wonder!

[ddog]

dog, no I don't have a list, but your post was dumbest I have read this year or last. I hope I have put this simple enough for you to understand.
And yes, I am a Wonder!


well then it doesn't mean much since in your "wonderful world" you have nothing to compare it to as you freely admitted.

it just popped into your head i guess.

Oh and the dumbest post would have to be written by at least a moderate dumbass, i will accept that designation.

Unlike you i don't suppose I have the only hot line to the TRUTH.

[mostpost]

media matters.........yeah right......... a bastion of Liberal Deceit..........
As opposed to the bastions of conservative deceit:)

Reich said what he said.
But he didn't say what Rush et al claim he said

I don't believe in Minority set asides either...........
I am shocked:eek:

[Lefty]

dog, i compared it to every post i have read. It's just one vote, get over it. It's even possible others don't agree.

[Boris]

First; the 38% refers to income tax. If you include other federal taxes such as payroll taxes, the percentage drops to 24.8%.

What is the purpose of "payroll taxes"?

[2low]

you have been under a tax holiday for years and years.
You see on a national level, you have none of YOUR/our money to spend.

We already have allocated it all , so any type of extra spending is borrowed money, guess what that isn't and never was YOUR money.

So, since taxes have not been enough to pay for the spending you rely on , you have had a tax holiday for years and years.

It's the paying for what you have already used/bought part you can't stand.

typical childish rightie behaviour , the world owes me everthing , I ain't pay'in fer it though.


The worst part though is this nutty "group think" that things need to be stimulated.

We are so screwed. This is the mentality that's in control. Holy crap.

Some of us don't rely on government spending to get through the day. However, since so many people seem to think it's important to force their dependency lifestyle on us, our future money is already spent on things we did not want, did not ask for, and do not use or would not use if it wasn't basically required of us to do so.

All this social welfare spending was known by everybody to be unconstitutional until FDR's buddies decided the tax code was a free-for-all. Now they all pack as much waste and droppings in as they can fit - Democrats, Republicans, all of them. Not a fiscal conservative with any balls in the bunch any more.

I, for one, want to go back. All this "progressiveness" makes me want to vomit. "Take the country back" liberals always say. Back to what? It was never meant to be and never was what you want to "take it back" to.

When "freedom" means freedom to surf massive amounts of porn without righty taking it away, and "equality" means equality of outcome and not of opportunity, we have all lost.

Liberalism is not an American concept. You can live here and claim citizenship all you want, but you have absolutely no understanding of what "America" means. It isn't just a plot of land. I don't expect you'll understand this part at all.

Vote to wash my money down the rat hole and then claim I don't want to pay for what I already used. Unbelievable.

To be clear - my gripe with liberalism is purely fiscal. I wouldn't be considered a social conservative by many. I guess I'm more libertarian in that regard.