Done with going to simulcast

[salty]

Well I am 20 years old and I go to the simulcast at a casino by my house. After today though I never want to go again. I left my form on the desk I was at with the light and the tv on to go get a bowl of soup. Fifteen minutes later I come back and my form is gone and the stack of losing tickets had been sifted through. The guy sitting right next to me said he didn't see anyone go by and pick it up. So then I went to the security desk and asked if they could find who took it. And they couldn't even with the 5 cameras in the room, 2 which were right over where i was sitting.

Now I posted this because I need help finding an online wagering place that has live feeds. I looked at a few and they all were age restricted.

Any help would be great. thanks

[lamboguy]

premier turf club sponsers this website. they will rebate you money and give you help with your handicapping. right this second they are missing a few tracks, but i suspect they will have most tracks available real soon.

[JustRalph]

may I ask What City or OTB you were in? 15 minutes might qualify for "abandonment" :lol:

[dutchboy]

Twinspires.com shows the minimum age to be 18 to open an account. They only list Washington as the only exception which is 21. Not sure what state you are in as there are there are states they will not accept anyone.

YouBet shows a minimum age for all account holders to be 21.

I use both with no problems. Prefer Twinspires due to their conditional wagering.

[Nmytwenties]

Sorry to hear about your unforchanate, but all too common experiance relative to this game. I witnessed a lady who had her purse snatched about 6 or 7 months ago at the OTB I used to frequent and the cameras were of no assistance in that case either, overhearing the conversation between the poor lady and the mall cop it was due to the cameras not having enough lighting to recognize anything.

The security guards, not only at racing venues, but at other public places are basically just there so insurance rates are lowered, they sure as hell never do anything like prevent occurences like yours. It would be nice if they gave a damn but they don't. They are able to exist through the public taking the apathetic view that "they can't prevent everything" which is valid to a point, it would be nice if they could actually prevent something at some point. You would think that the racing forms were like $50 bucks each with the amount of people who pass by the booth to try to heist one from another guy.

Hopefully you will not be soured by the experiance but if you are unable to find another avenue (ADW) then set a bar of your expectations of the OTB you patronize and if it is repeatedly not reached then don't continue to patronize them.

Not to make light of your experiance but at least in Vegas I would assume you get to look at some nice ass walking around, if your in the right casino racebook. The OTB I frequented I believe had some kind of rule against hiring anyone under 55...lol

[njcurveball]

Fifteen minutes later I come back and my form is gone and the stack of losing tickets had been sifted through.

Welcome to the "fraternity". ;) When I was around 20 at ACRC for Simulcasting, I got up to get a dog or some other thing to eat and 5 minutes later, there was someone in MY SEAT, reading MY DRF, smoking a BIG CIGAR, and he told me to get away from HIS table. :eek: :bang: :mad:

True story and I saw him often at simulcasting after that and just glared at him with anger. We didn't come to blows and eventually I got my form and table back, but that is just the crowd you are in at simulcasting or the track.

On a positive note, my friend has used a computer at the track since the early 80s and has always left at it the table in his travels and it has NEVER been stolen. I am not that trusting but wish I could be.

[Cangamble]

I remember the late 60's and into the 70's at Woodbine. People could save their seats at Woodbine by putting their Racing Form or program on the seat when they went for something to eat, go to the washroom, or make a bet.
And nobody ever touched the program or form either.

[strapper]

Was your seat reserved or just first come first served? Next time I'd go with a friend to watch your stuff when you get up but you really shouldn't have to go to such lengths to protect your belongings. Where's the honor?


Well I am 20 years old and I go to the simulcast at a casino by my house. After today though I never want to go again. I left my form on the desk I was at with the light and the tv on to go get a bowl of soup. Fifteen minutes later I come back and my form is gone and the stack of losing tickets had been sifted through. The guy sitting right next to me said he didn't see anyone go by and pick it up. So then I went to the security desk and asked if they could find who took it. And they couldn't even with the 5 cameras in the room, 2 which were right over where i was sitting.

Now I posted this because I need help finding an online wagering place that has live feeds. I looked at a few and they all were age restricted.

Any help would be great. thanks

[Shemp Howard]

Find yourself a nice girl and have some real fun.
;) ;) ;)

"Hold hands you love birds"

[Nmytwenties]

Ha, women are usually more frustrating than this game that's for sure.

[Tom]

Find yourself a nice girl and have some real fun.
;) ;) ;)



Don't leave HER for a bowl of soup. :eek:

[toetoe]

salty,

At GGF, which Light and I used to frequentate, the main, sacred function of the guards was to point the remote controllers at the monitors at day's end, and zap away, making sure to finish before the payoffs were all displayed. :D

[DJofSD]

Next time, write in large block letters on a piece of paper or the back of a betting card "Taken" and then tip the chair so the back rest is up against the edge of the table. This is the same as putting a coaster on your drink when at the neighborhood watering hole.

Likely what you left behind looked like a loser had been sitting there then left.

[rastajenk]

salty,

At GGF, which Light and I used to frequentate, the main, sacred function of the guards was to point the remote controllers at the monitors at day's end, and zap away, making sure to finish before the payoffs were all displayed. :DThat must be in the job description everywhere.

[JimG]

When I would go to the otb or track by myself, when I got up to bet, go to the restroom, whatever, I would leave something at the seat that was mine...like a couple of pens, a jacket, etc. to mark my territory. I never had a problem with people taking my stuff for 20 years.

If you had nothing on the desk but a racing form and some losing tickets, a patron could have thought you walked out the door. Hardly anyone turns their light off when they leave. Especially late in the afternoon people are looking for forms, programs, etc. that have been left behind.

Jim

[GaryG]

That is not a problem at my OTB (Colonial Downs, Scott County), of course all of the regulars know each other and most have a favorite seat. Might be different in New Yawk.

[rrpic6]

Salty:

Wait about 20 more years and you should qualify to call yourself "Salty", when you have enough of these stories to fill a file cabinet.

One of my favorites happened a few years back at Pimlico on Preakness Day. On that day, you need to get there by about 8:30 AM to grab a seat in the run down simulcast area. Even though we have seats upstairs, and good ones, right on the finish line, about 30 rows up, a buddy and myself like to use the simulcast area to check out the celebs and college girls walking thru the area. I usually bring a jacket to put on my seat, but I had enough folders of info, DRF, pens, and souvenier glasses to take away all doubt that I am still in the seat. Around 2:00 PM, naturally the place is packed and all seats long gone, I go to make a wager at one of the many self betting machines. I'm away 2 minutes at most. I come back, and my seat is gone, but all my stuff still there. My buddy had gone to make a bet also, so I ask the stranger on the other side what happened. He points to an African-American woman about 60ish and says she walked over and just took the seat and walked away. She is sitting 2 rows back, so I go ask her about it. She tells me there was no seat at her section of the table and mine was vacant so she took it. I asked her to give it back and she said no. If anyone knows Pimlico, this area is right by security. There must be 20 Baltimore cops standing around. I go tell my story to one of them, and get no sympathy. I'd say I now know a bit about racism and age descrimination. A white guy in his early 40's, complaining to Black cops about a Black woman in her late 60's got me nowhere. When I told one of the cops I would just stand next to the woman for however long it took her to get up to go to the restroom or get a hot dog, then I'd take back my chair, I was told to get over it and walk around until I saw an empty chair, then bring it back. Luckily, I was able to do that, because in another area of simulcasting, pari-mutual clerks coming from out of town gather to work the weekend, hang-out waiting for assignments. As soon as one got up, I walked over, took the chair and walked away.

Its a dog -eat dog game young man.

RR

[Charlie D]

Well I am 20 years old and I go to the simulcast at a casino by my house. After today though I never want to go again. I left my form on the desk I was at with the light and the tv on to go get a bowl of soup. Fifteen minutes later I come back and my form is gone and the stack of losing tickets had been sifted through. The guy sitting right next to me said he didn't see anyone go by and pick it up. So then I went to the security desk and asked if they could find who took it. And they couldn't even with the 5 cameras in the room, 2 which were right over where i was sitting.

Now I posted this because I need help finding an online wagering place that has live feeds. I looked at a few and they all were age restricted.

Any help would be great. thanks


Salty, Jeff P gives excellent advice, if you can, follow it, if not use another way to get on until you can



I know at least a few players who bet and get a rebate at PTC but are perfectly happy to pay a site like YouBet or Twinspires a monthly fee just to watch live streaming track video.

If you are betting any kind of serious money this makes perfect sense. You'll have far more money at the end of each day... week... month... and year if you do this. The rebates dwarf the $17 a month paid out elsewhere for live streaming video.

[Nmytwenties]

rrpic6 - I would swear you might be a track executive if I am not missing my guess. I mean what industry has a customer base that is ok with the notion that it is proper to take other people's property? Dog eat dog, I guess so, again though it is entertainment, not the DMV, people are more likely to take their time and patronage someplace else after a certain line is crossed.

How broke do you have to be to vulturize someone else's form, even if they have left? Dude, it's $5 to get a form of your own, I have never even thought of doing such a thing, maybe because I don't want to look like a jerk walking in and out of rows of seats trying to pilfer a $5 periodical...Sheesh.

A friend of mine runs a night club and anyone trying to heist a drink or other similar nonsense are promtly shown the door, usually with some degree of force. Not saying that form vultures should be forcibly removed, but it shouldn't be met with apathetic response either.

Also only cowards accept the kind of treatment you receieved from Aunt Jamima and Officer Tyrone. If people like you would stand up and tell them to do their flipping job and likewise tell the lady to piss off, you held no slaves so give me my seat back and lose this feeling of entitlement then maybe they wouldn't feel proper taking these liberties all the time, just a thought.

[MIplayer]

I guess I'll have to buck the trend for younger people having bad experiences/being through with some aspect of racing (I just turned 23). I've had great experiences at all the tracks I've been to, whether top notch or bullring. The last time I visited the simo I got a free hat and $10 voucher just for showing up. I feel like I can speak for the majority of facilities, having been to a wide variety of racetracks throughout the U.S. and Canada. I agree, this game is in desperate need of improvement. But I've always had a great experience at the track.

If I left a form and tix behind for 15 minutes, I would practically expect someone to sift through them. You know how many people leave their program laying on the table when they leave? If it weren't for the track employees, you'd have to swim through racing forms, programs and losing tickets to find a seat.

Besides, if you left your wallet laying on a table at the grocery store for 15 mins. would you expect it to be there when you come back? Does that mean you should quit shopping also?

[Dave Schwartz]

Besides, if you left your wallet laying on a table at the grocery store for 15 mins. would you expect it to be there when you come back? Does that mean you should quit shopping also

Only in Japan. Not sure if that would hold true at a race track, though.


When it comes to public events I was amazed at how few rights a ticket-purchasing patron actually has.

About 3-4 years ago we were attending the WAC basketball chamiponship. The college guy and girl standing in front of us got tired of sitting and decided they would simply stand up for the rest of the first half. I politely asked them to sit down and they told me to F.O.

I was pissed because we just couldn't see the action at all so I went to talk to security. They informed me that the guy could do anything he wanted to do in his seat for the duration of the game; that the license grants him that usage, which includes foul language, standing, spitting, or anything that is not illegal. They only thing he cannot do is touch anyone else without their permission.

I told him how really sorry I was about spilling the beer down his back in the second half. :liar:


Dave

[Nmytwenties]

Not all sports venues are as tolerant of fan behavior of the kind you described Dave. The NFL has at least made the motions to lead to the belief they are trying to crack down on drunk and unruly people.

The Cincinnati Bengals have an actual "Jerk Line" that operates during the games that fans can call to alert staff to problems in the stands.

[Charlie D]

Only in Japan. Not sure if that would hold true at a race track, though.


When it comes to public events I was amazed at how few rights a ticket-purchasing patron actually has.

About 3-4 years ago we were attending the WAC basketball chamiponship. The college guy and girl standing in front of us got tired of sitting and decided they would simply stand up for the rest of the first half. I politely asked them to sit down and they told me to F.O.

I was pissed because we just couldn't see the action at all so I went to talk to security. They informed me that the guy could do anything he wanted to do in his seat for the duration of the game; that the license grants him that usage, which includes foul language, standing, spitting, or anything that is not illegal. They only thing he cannot do is touch anyone else without their permission.

I told him how really sorry I was about spilling the beer down his back in the second half. :liar:


Dave

:lol:

[DJofSD]

I told him how really sorry I was about spilling the beer down his back in the second half. Here's a good one if you brave and bored. You need to be sitting at the edge of an upper tier deck. Tip a little liquid out of your cup while holding it over the side. Do a quick three count: 1-2-3. Then tip a little more -- or the whole cup if you're drunk enough. The first tip will get the unfortunate fan siting under the edge below you to look up -- just in time to get another dose in the face.

[salty]

I just put the thread up to blow off some steam and to hear some other people's stories. I know i shouldn't have left my form there. Usualy I bring a big jacket and load up my pockets with everything before I go get something to eat. But this one time I decided hey why not leave it here since everybody else does and nothing is missing when they get back. This is the only experience at any otb or track i have ever had, but I was extreemly mad because I had spent hours going over that form picking horses. I get the whole its only $6 thing. But if you add in the time i spent taking notes its like someone stealing a whole days worth of work and my $6.

Thanks for the sites. I must have misread twinspires guidelines. Can't wait to get that set up.

-rrpic6-
Your entire story completely confuses me. If you had seats upstairs why was it such a big deal that the older lady stole your seat in what you call the run down simulcast area? If I saw a 60 year old lady without a seat I would gladly give mine up and stand for the rest of the day. Its not like there isn't a lot of stuff to walk around and look at. Not to mention that this was the busiest day at the track. I don't mind leaving anything at my seat when I am at saratoga. But i sure as hell wouldn't leave my penny on a seat if it was Travers day.

-salty

[rrpic6]

[QUOTE=salty]I just put the thread up to blow off some steam and to hear some other people's stories. I know i shouldn't have left my form there. Usualy I bring a big jacket and load up my pockets with everything before I go get something to eat. But this one time I decided hey why not leave it here since everybody else does and nothing is missing when they get back. This is the only experience at any otb or track i have ever had, but I was extreemly mad because I had spent hours going over that form picking horses. I get the whole its only $6 thing. But if you add in the time i spent taking notes its like someone stealing a whole days worth of work and my $6.

Thanks for the sites. I must have misread twinspires guidelines. Can't wait to get that set up.

-rrpic6-
Your entire story completely confuses me. If you had seats upstairs why was it such a big deal that the older lady stole your seat in what you call the run down simulcast area? If I saw a 60 year old lady without a seat I would gladly give mine up and stand for the rest of the day. Its not like there isn't a lot of stuff to walk around and look at. Not to mention that this was the busiest day at the track. I don't mind leaving anything at my seat when I am at saratoga. But i sure as hell wouldn't leave my penny on a seat if it was Travers day.

Salty:

Unless you've been to Pimlico, you can't understand my story. The seats upstairs, overlooking the finish line, are nothing more than wooden folding chairs, used at baseball stadiums in the 60's. The view is blocked by many window panes, plus the clubhouse turn is blocked entirely by the clubhouse itself. The downstairs simulcast area allows us to lay out our handicapping papers, as well as easy access to self betting terminals. The lines upstairs for tellers or SAM's is endless.

To give up a seat to an elderly person is thoughtful, however people wanting a seat at Pimlico on that day show up early to get one. To suggest I was a "coward" to allow my seat to be taken is again from not knowing the situations existing at Pimlico. It is a completely urban area. The streets are filled with homeowners/renters (all Black) holding up carboard signs, yelling at cars, knocking on windows, trying to get people (mostly White) to park on their property. Until Pimlico banned coolers last year, you'd see young Black kids pushing grocery carts (stolen/borrowed) around looking to make a buck by toting the college kids (mostly White) coolers to the entrance gate.

The Baltimore Police force is also predominantly Black. I did not expect to see a Black Police Officer go to an elderly Black woman and make a scene to give a White guy his chair back. This is their city, and I was only there for a weekend. The cops there could be linebackers for the Ravens. We saw 1st hand what the Asian kid who jumped on the racetrack and tried to punch a horse in the stretch about 10 years ago looked like when the cops got through with him. He looked like Du Ku Kim after 10 rounds with Boom Boom Mancini.
http://images.si.com/more/horseracing/1999/preakness/news/1999/05/15/preakness_track/lg_crazy_ap_01.html

RR

[boomman]

If you think racing forms are "sprouting legs" and walking off now, you should have seen the old days in the Vegas racebooks when guys would make a living (of sorts) by dashing to your seat and stealing your form almost the second you got out of your chair to make a bet, because Vegas racebooks were refunding the $2 deposit on each form that the original buyer had paid to them. Was QUITE the racket!:bang:

Boomer

[mikey blanc]

How broke do you have to be to vulturize someone else's form, even if they have left? Dude, it's $5 to get a form of your own, I have never even thought of doing such a thing, maybe because I don't want to look like a jerk walking in and out of rows of seats trying to pilfer a $5 periodical...Sheesh.



Or you could look at it another way.

how broke do you have to be to lose a "$5 periodical" Ask security to check the tapes to see who stole your "$5 periodical" That you obviously didn't care enough about to keep an eye on in the first place.

When Security informs you that they cannot look at the tapes (I mean what kind of security anywhere has time to chase down someones lousy "$5 periodical"). Said person jumps on their computer to post to the world that:

"because I lost a lousy "$5 periodical" I am never going back to said venue again!"

seems like a lot of trouble when another form would have simply cost you another simple $5.00.

SHEESH! indeed.

[Zman179]

Or you could look at it another way.

how broke do you have to be to lose a "$5 periodical" Ask security to check the tapes to see who stole your "$5 periodical" That you obviously didn't care enough about to keep an eye on in the first place.

When Security informs you that they cannot look at the tapes (I mean what kind of security anywhere has time to chase down someones lousy "$5 periodical"). Said person jumps on their computer to post to the world that:

"because I lost a lousy "$5 periodical" I am never going back to said venue again!"

seems like a lot of trouble when another form would have simply cost you another simple $5.00.

SHEESH! indeed.

Obviously you've never handicapped all night only to have your form stolen. It's not the form that's the problem, it's all of the lost work.

Never, ever, ever leave a racing form sitting alone. Always put down a coat, pens, food, etc. to show that the owner is still present. To leave a form laying around on a desk with nothing accompanying it is akin to leaving $6 on the desk.

rrpic6 - I would swear you might be a track executive if I am not missing my guess. I mean what industry has a customer base that is ok with the notion that it is proper to take other people's property? Dog eat dog, I guess so, again though it is entertainment, not the DMV, people are more likely to take their time and patronage someplace else after a certain line is crossed.

How broke do you have to be to vulturize someone else's form, even if they have left? Dude, it's $5 to get a form of your own, I have never even thought of doing such a thing, maybe because I don't want to look like a jerk walking in and out of rows of seats trying to pilfer a $5 periodical...Sheesh.

Very few people will buy a $6 form (it's $6 in NY) if there are only a handful of races left. It's easier to grab a form or a program that has been (hopefully) abandoned. A bettor with scrupules will ask around in the immediate area and make sure the owner isn't still present before grabbing the paper.

[SMOO]

I guess I'll have to buck the trend for younger people having bad experiences/being through with some aspect of racing (I just turned 23). I've had great experiences at all the tracks I've been to, whether top notch or bullring. The last time I visited the simo I got a free hat and $10 voucher just for showing up. I feel like I can speak for the majority of facilities, having been to a wide variety of racetracks throughout the U.S. and Canada. I agree, this game is in desperate need of improvement. But I've always had a great experience at the track.

If I left a form and tix behind for 15 minutes, I would practically expect someone to sift through them. You know how many people leave their program laying on the table when they leave? If it weren't for the track employees, you'd have to swim through racing forms, programs and losing tickets to find a seat.

Besides, if you left your wallet laying on a table at the grocery store for 15 mins. would you expect it to be there when you come back? Does that mean you should quit shopping also?

Good post. I've actually found track people to be above average when it comes to honesty.

[badcompany]

may I ask What City or OTB you were in? 15 minutes might qualify for "abandonment" :lol:

In NYC OTB, the abandonment qualification time is 5 seconds.

[affirmedny]

Two thoughts on this:

1) If I get up I ALWAYS take my form with me. Why even risk the chance of having it stolen? There's nothing I'm gonna eat that I can't hold with my form under my arm.

2) If I'm looking for a "freebie" late in the day my guideline is if the form is opened up to the 5th race and now it's the 8th, whoever was using it is probably gone. Not scientific but I've never had a problem.

[proximity]

generally accepted track etiquette: if the gambler's pen is still there with the pps.... then they are still there.

a form with no pen and a pile of losing tickets is usually fair game for those idiots dumb enough to walk into a track without any pps of their own....

[salty]

rrpic6-
1. You said they were good seats. Not my fault you describe everything so poorly.

2. I wasn't suggesting you were a coward. I was suggesting that you could have been a better person. But you went and took someone else's seat. What if they came back to find it missing and went through the same thing as you?

3. Why can't you just say people instead of white and black. Does it really matter what color their skin is? :confused:



mikey blanc-
I posted the story with my simple question of where can someone under 21 find a site to wager on. And I just figured I would post my reason so people got their clicks worth. Security did look at the tape and thats why i was angry, not to mention the guy sitting right next to me saying he didn't see anybody walk by when he was blocking the whole row with his seat pushed all the way back. Anyways I jumped on my computer to post to the world that I would like to find a place where I can bet without having to worry about anyone taking anything from me.


Whenever I leave early I always ask someone if they want my form for the rest of the races.


-salty

[thespaah]

Welcome to the "fraternity". ;) When I was around 20 at ACRC for Simulcasting, I got up to get a dog or some other thing to eat and 5 minutes later, there was someone in MY SEAT, reading MY DRF, smoking a BIG CIGAR, and he told me to get away from HIS table. :eek: :bang: :mad:

True story and I saw him often at simulcasting after that and just glared at him with anger. We didn't come to blows and eventually I got my form and table back, but that is just the crowd you are in at simulcasting or the track.

On a positive note, my friend has used a computer at the track since the early 80s and has always left at it the table in his travels and it has NEVER been stolen. I am not that trusting but wish I could be.
Had a guy do something similar to me. Went to take a leak. Came back and he was writing in MY program. I asked him how long he had been sitting there. He said for a couple hours. So I asked thim to look at the first two races of the program and asked him how the hand written numbers indicating amount bet and cashed got there. He had this "so what" look on his face. He tried the old "you got up" bullcrap.
So I said he had two choices. He could either get up and go elswhere or he could fight me for the seat. He left.
The thing is to not take any crap from anybody if you know you are in the right. These friggin degenerates are not only cheap caniving bastards. They are also the biggest wimps on the planet.

[thespaah]

Salty:

Wait about 20 more years and you should qualify to call yourself "Salty", when you have enough of these stories to fill a file cabinet.

One of my favorites happened a few years back at Pimlico on Preakness Day. On that day, you need to get there by about 8:30 AM to grab a seat in the run down simulcast area. Even though we have seats upstairs, and good ones, right on the finish line, about 30 rows up, a buddy and myself like to use the simulcast area to check out the celebs and college girls walking thru the area. I usually bring a jacket to put on my seat, but I had enough folders of info, DRF, pens, and souvenier glasses to take away all doubt that I am still in the seat. Around 2:00 PM, naturally the place is packed and all seats long gone, I go to make a wager at one of the many self betting machines. I'm away 2 minutes at most. I come back, and my seat is gone, but all my stuff still there. My buddy had gone to make a bet also, so I ask the stranger on the other side what happened. He points to an African-American woman about 60ish and says she walked over and just took the seat and walked away. She is sitting 2 rows back, so I go ask her about it. She tells me there was no seat at her section of the table and mine was vacant so she took it. I asked her to give it back and she said no. If anyone knows Pimlico, this area is right by security. There must be 20 Baltimore cops standing around. I go tell my story to one of them, and get no sympathy. I'd say I now know a bit about racism and age descrimination. A white guy in his early 40's, complaining to Black cops about a Black woman in her late 60's got me nowhere. When I told one of the cops I would just stand next to the woman for however long it took her to get up to go to the restroom or get a hot dog, then I'd take back my chair, I was told to get over it and walk around until I saw an empty chair, then bring it back. Luckily, I was able to do that, because in another area of simulcasting, pari-mutual clerks coming from out of town gather to work the weekend, hang-out waiting for assignments. As soon as one got up, I walked over, took the chair and walked away.

Its a dog -eat dog game young man.

RRNext time you go. Just fart on the chair. I mean let a big one just rip. Slight cheek sneak so it can be heard. Guarantee no one will want to endure your foul stench no matter how tired or inconsiderate they are.......LOL

[beertapper]

gambler's karma: the sob who stole your form probably lost his bet anyhow...:jump:

i find it alot more comfortable to just play at home...fwiw

[rrpic6]

[QUOTE=salty]rrpic6-
1. You said they were good seats. Not my fault you describe everything so poorly.

2. I wasn't suggesting you were a coward. I was suggesting that you could have been a better person. But you went and took someone else's seat. What if they came back to find it missing and went through the same thing as you?

3. Why can't you just say people instead of white and black. Does it really matter what color their skin is? :confused:
.

Salty:

You are right on point #2, wrong on points #1 & #3.
inmytwenties suggested I was a coward for not making the cops demand that lady give back my chair.

"Good seats" at Pimlico is an oxymoron. Our seats on the finish line are expensive, yet not "good". The chair I ended up with was one that part-time tellers were milling around by. They have to get assigned windows, so they sit around for hours waiting to be picked.

You need to get to Baltimore to understand the difference between Black & White.

RR

[rrpic6]

PS to my previous post:

One of the best parts of Preakness Day is walking down the streets nearby Pimlico. Many people set up barbecues in their front yards. Ribs, chicken, hot dogs, burgers, plus you can find catfish and sweet potato pie at some homes. Music blaring, people dancing, its all good. BUT..we've been told by quite a few people to make sure we clear out by sundown, that it won't be safe anymore to walk around the neighborhood. We got that impression when we saw a police escort, including helicopters, leading the Stakes horses away right about that time.

RR

[mikey blanc]

Obviously you've never handicapped all night only to have your form stolen. It's not the form that's the problem, it's all of the lost work.

Never, ever, ever leave a racing form sitting alone. Always put down a coat, pens, food, etc. to show that the owner is still present. To leave a form laying around on a desk with nothing accompanying it is akin to leaving $6 on the desk.

i understand the point about handicapping all night and then losing all the work I had done. of course that would suck.

I just know that I would NEVER leave all my hard work unatteneded.

I mean the guy did say he left it there with nothing but losing tickets for over 15 MINS. Again if the "$5 periodical" is so imprtant to you. KEEP IT WITH YOU!! problem solved.

Seems simple to me.

[mikey blanc]

Personally, I would be more upset with the fact it took over 15 mins to get a bowl of soup.

[thespaah]

gambler's karma: the sob who stole your form probably lost his bet anyhow...:jump:

i find it alot more comfortable to just play at home...fwiw
I find it interesting how it depends on what part of the country one is vis a vis how people behave.
One poster on here says he goes to an OTB in VA. No problems there. When I am in NY I am upstate. The civility of folks is much better there than downstate near NYC.
At an OTB in Glens Falls you can leave your stuff and go use the restroom and when you return your stuf will stil be there. There may be someone thumbing thur your form or orogram but thery excuse themselves and that's that.
Do that in an NYC OTB and it won't be there

[miesque]

I find it interesting how it depends on what part of the country one is vis a vis how people behave.
One poster on here says he goes to an OTB in VA. No problems there. When I am in NY I am upstate. The civility of folks is much better there than downstate near NYC.
At an OTB in Glens Falls you can leave your stuff and go use the restroom and when you return your stuf will stil be there. There may be someone thumbing thur your form or orogram but thery excuse themselves and that's that.
Do that in an NYC OTB and it won't be there

I was thinking along the same lines in that at different tracks you see the same sort of discrepancy in terms of behaviors and attitudes and yes, even eccentricities of the customer base. One example that comes to my mind occured when I was at the paddock for this year's Virginia Derby at Colonial Downs. The call was made for rider's up and as the horses were heading out to the track one of the patrons yelled "Hey Kent - Big Brown" (or something to that effect) as Desourmeaux on Court Vision passed by and the crowd surrounding the heckler all turn around and glared at him and you could see them thinking "How rude!" The guy was surprised by the reaction and responded "What? I lost a lot of money on that horse." I found it somewhat amusing since I have seen heckles and comments a heck of a lot worse at other tracks and not even bring about a raised eyebrow let alone nasty glares. :D

[JustRalph]

I was at HOL and some Jamaican guys started heckling the jocks........ and I was flabbergasted....... I had never seen anyone do that before....... :bang:

I would have never thought to scream at a jock over a ride in the last race?

Then again I don't mind yelling at my Television :lol:

[BlueShoe]

Used to happen to me until I wised up a bit.Best idea is to sit with a bunch of guys that know each other and watch each others stuff.Always somebody that is staying put in the group.If alone,take your form with you.If left,dont go far,and glance toward your seat often.Leave a pen,newspaper,empty cup,or wrap.I often bring an old beat up sweater that only an imbecile would steal.Finally,and this will meet with disapproval from many;if I ever see someone stealing my form and I catch up to him,there is going to be a brawl.I am way too old to be getting in fights,but will do my best to hurt this man very badly.Kind of a point of honor with this old Redneck,just cannot let evil go unpunished.Am well aware that in this PC mixed up world it is likely me that ends up in jail,not the thief,but decided on this long ago.

[samyn on the green]

Come to Aqueduct (http://gregcalabrese.blogspot.com/2009/01/stuff-people-say-at-track.html)in the middle of the winter, if the Jocks do not get heckled something is wrong. I was at HOL and some Jamaican guys started heckling the jocks........ and I was flabbergasted....... I had never seen anyone do that before....... :bang:

I would have never thought to scream at a jock over a ride in the last race?

Then again I don't mind yelling at my Television :lol:

[maxwell]

If you leave a pen and/or glasses on top of a Form, you really should not have a problem. I never have. But I have seen just about every type of arguement you can imagine.

Dave Schwartz made a valid point about what went on at a basketball game. There was a guy back in the day : middle-aged, blonde, Beatles haircut, and wore glasses ( if memory serves me ). This guy was a curse to the NBA. Players looked like they wanted to kill him; fans wanted to kill him; I wanted to reach into the T.V. and kill him.

Short and sweet : stay home and bet on the phone or internet. :)