Have you ever bet $120 bucks on a Superfecta Ticket?

[JustRalph]

Inspiration from comments in another thread..........

Just wondering how many have bet $120 bucks or more on a Superfecta Ticket in a single race

Please look at the poll.......multiple choices

[ralph_the_cat]

ya... often enough... I have also bet $120 pick 3s at least a dozen times... the biggest $$$ for a small ticket was a $200 pick 3 at MNR... it paid only $198... lol, but that was because the chalk hit the last leg... woulda paid $600+ with any other horse I had... had a 1x10x10 for a $2 ticket... singled a horse that was around 10-1 that I got word on... figured the winning ticket would be around $200 even if the single won($20 horse) with a couple short prices in the other legs, so I took a shot, almost worked out... pick 3 pools at MNR are pretty decent for a small track... as well as super pools... would never bet that at certain tracks... all depends on track/pools etc...

[Hajck Hillstrom]

Biggest ever was a $320 Superfecta ticket on the 2007 Kentucky Derby keying Street Sense and Hard Spun to many to ALL. The 15k return made me ponder why I didn't do it more often.....

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Biggest ever was a $320 Superfecta ticket on the 2007 Kentucky Derby keying Street Sense and Hard Spun to many to ALL. The 15k return made me ponder why I didn't do it more often.....

$320 isn't much when your good wins are 15K.

Would you bet $3 if your wins were $150?

It's amazing people don't understand this.

[2low]

$320 isn't much when your good wins are 15K.

Would you bet $3 if your wins were $150?

It's amazing people don't understand this.

how often will somebody bet 320 and win 15K? I don't play supers.

[InsideThePylons-MW]

how often will somebody bet 320 and win 15K? I don't play supers.

If played correctly......much more frequently a $3 bet winning $150

[Nmytwenties]

Isn't losing $320 a bit harder to stomach that $3 ??

Unless your participating in the sport as a profession, a main source of income, I could never imagine losing $320 on a single race. I thought the sport was very exciting to watch, betting that kinda sum on a single race, an exotic bet at that, would lead me to believe that watching the race would be stomach churning and not very fun. Winning is great but you don't win them all and losing at that sum, again on a difficult bet like a super is nothing I would have ever considered.

To each there own I guess, though I would hope that one's children's college education was taken care of already.

[DeanT]

I spent $3680 (or something like that, gotta do the math) once.

I meant to take 1-4-a-a and I took 1-a-a-a. It was about two minutes to post, so I immediately got on to customer service and the fellow cancelled it for me.

The horse I had on top won, and I think the super came chalk and paid around $600. Woulda been a hell of a loss.

[rrpic6]

I recall keying 1 horse over 8 horses ($336) years ago at Turfway. The 5/2 shot won by a neck over a 20-1 and two more double digit horses. I got back over 7K. A dollar tri in the 2002 Ky. Derby got me over 9K by going War Emblem/All/All/. With the advent of the dime super, I've still spent over $120 when its possible to get back 10 times the bet. I almost blew a 2K 10 center at Santa Anita by almost leaving out 1 horse out of 14 in the 4th slot. Instead of punching 13 numbers, I just hit the ALL button. the 4th place horse was the one I would have left out, at 99-1.


RR

[keilan]

I haven't read another post besides the question asked.

$120 for a super on a horse I like that's longer than he should be........... all day long. Anyone that disagrees shouldn't be playing.

[BUD]

I was battling a little Optic Neuritis and was in denial---I keyed in the WRONG:bang: Amount on one of my Wagers----I was pretty confused when the next race rolled on and I did not have enough to participate!

I play with a small roll---But I wonder if that one effed up wager effected the odds of that race-----It woulda been GREAT if I hit----Probably woulda been more confused at the size of my once small roll:lol: -----Ya my biggest wager was a big mistake----I triple check now before I hit submit--

[gopony]

I was battling a little Optic Neuritis and was in denial---I keyed in the WRONG:bang: Amount on one of my Wagers----I was pretty confused when the next race rolled on and I did not have enough to participate!

I play with a small roll---But I wonder if that one effed up wager effected the odds of that race-----It woulda been GREAT if I hit----Probably woulda been more confused at the size of my once small roll:lol: -----Ya my biggest wager was a big mistake----I triple check now before I hit submit--

Roughly the same thing happened to me last week. I meant to put in 20 cents and entered 2 dollars. Luckily I won. I didn't even realize until I went back and looked at my bets. Ended up making 220 on a 48 dollar bet.

[thespaah]

$320 isn't much when your good wins are 15K.

Would you bet $3 if your wins were $150?

It's amazing people don't understand this.That's more my speed.
I am a handicapper just like the big bettors. Everything is relative.
My typical bankroll upon entry to the facility is around $200- $300.

[keilan]

That's more my speed.
I am a handicapper just like the big bettors. Everything is relative.
My typical bankroll upon entry to the facility is around $200- $300.


And you're betting into how many races?

[Pace Cap'n]

And you're betting into how many races?

Would you prefer that anyone without a four-figure roll just not bother?

[whyhorseofcourse]

Charleston I went XX/ALL/ALL/ALL

In a 6 horse field.
Cost me $120 for a buck.
My horses made the exacta :lol:
super came but $140 something for a dollar.

[ralph_the_cat]

I could never imagine losing $320 on a single race.

Because if you have an online account, after a couple good hits... its like playing with play money sometimes... whats $200 after you hit a tri for $1,200 and your up on the month a couples thousand... you dont have to be a pro or do it for a living to have a good month of betting... and splurge in races where you know theres value... some months Im betting $8 tris and $6 pick 3s just hoping to catch a needle in a hay stack... but if you can deal with the big losses of $200 or so on in just one race, you can win at the game IMO... to play exotics in a profit winning way you need more combos in the race than the other handicappers betting in the same race... rarely are the $8,000 supers cashed with a $6 tri x/a,b,c.... etc... if Im in the -(red) for the month or maybe the year, yes a $300 loss hits hard... but I wouldnt be betting a $300 ticket if Im in the red the last couple of weeks... thats just my take on things...

[ralph_the_cat]

Charleston I went XX/ALL/ALL/ALL

In a 6 horse field.
Cost me $120 for a buck.
My horses made the exacta :lol:
super came but $140 something for a dollar.

6 horse field?... thats a little nutty lol...

[SeattleSlew@BP]

21 people have bet $120 in a super???

Are you all rich!??!

[Bobzilla]

Though primarily a Win and Exacta player, there are times when I feel I might have recognized an opportunity in the more exotic pools such as the Superfecta. Usually it's based on the opinion that the favorite may very well not finish in the top 4 along with an opinion that two of the more pricey runners I like will both finish in the top 4 and one of them might even win. This situation doesn't occur with great frequecy for me but it does from time to time. When it does it's usually in a potentially chaotic event; for example, a CLM N2L race on grass with 10 to 12 horses with some being shipped in from neighboring circuits and many coming into the event from races that cover different points along the class spectrum. It is a race where many will have problems guaging these horses against one another. It might be a race where connections are experimenting and trying to find where the niche for their underperformers may be. The finishing order of such races are often times inscrutable and leave many a player scratching his/her head. These are the types of races where many tournament players like to take some of their more enterprising shots. They are also the races where the superfecta payout for a $2 play might rival a good P6 payout, it does occur every now and then.

My own approach is to get my 2 longshots into the top 4 and simply let God (or the Racing Deities if you're so inclined) sort out the rest of the mess.

I will first do a pass with the combos of my 2 longshots not winning but both finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th. I will only do these for 10 cents.:

ALL/AB/AB/ALL
ALL/AB/ALL/AB
ALL/ALL/AB/AB

For an 8 horse field at 10 cents that is $18 and a 12 horse field that is $54.

Next, I play the rounds I most desire to hit, the ones where one of my 2 longshots wins. In an 8 horse field I use 80 cents, a 12 horse field 20 cents.:

AB/AB/ALL/ALL
AB/ALL/AB/ALL
AB/ALL/ALL/AB

In the 8 horse field that is $18 X 8 (80 cents) =$144. Add the previous $18 and the entire superfecta effort is $162. For a 12 horse field that is $54 X 2 (20 cents) = $108. Add the original $54 and it's also $162. I don't like to go over $200 total for superfecta outlays so that's why I decrease the base amount as the field size increases.

There are many possible winning combinations with superfectas in big fields, inevitably there will always be some underplayed despite the lower possible base amounts. Some combinations will fall through the cracks. It's still possible, IMO, to scoop the pot of a superfecta pool with a ten cent play, albeit less likely than before.

[gm10]

Inspiration from comments in another thread..........

Just wondering how many have bet $120 bucks or more on a Superfecta Ticket in a single race

Please look at the poll.......multiple choices

i think i bet more than 10 superfecta's that cost more than 120 dollars during breeders cup 2008 alone (the bottom line was positive, thankfully)

[jognlope]

When Giacomo won Derby, a local couple spent roughly $300 on superfectas and won it, something like $500,000.

[InsideThePylons-MW]

Isn't losing $320 a bit harder to stomach that $3 ??

Unless your participating in the sport as a profession, a main source of income, I could never imagine losing $320 on a single race. I thought the sport was very exciting to watch, betting that kinda sum on a single race, an exotic bet at that, would lead me to believe that watching the race would be stomach churning and not very fun. Winning is great but you don't win them all and losing at that sum, again on a difficult bet like a super is nothing I would have ever considered.

To each there own I guess, though I would hope that one's children's college education was taken care of already.

I guess Sam Walton should have played it safe and stuck with 1 store.

[thespaah]

And you're betting into how many races?Everything is relative.
Successful wagering's first priroity is proper money management.
I take it your question comes from a perpsective of a much larger average bankroll. To answer your question directly, it depends on many factors. I may go to the track or play on line and bet 20% of the events. I look for value and also angles that I stick to exclusively. If a race does not present itself as a potential money maker, I let the other combatants have at it.

[Cangamble]

I think the most I've spent is around $40. But I generally tend to play 20 cent supers. When I'm faced with a $1 minimum, I think around 24 bucks is my limit.

[speldedo]

I guess Sam Walton should have played it safe and stuck with 1 store.

The key there is he got to do it with other people's money!

[whyhorseofcourse]

On derby day I spent $240 as well.

I used Visionare and Big brown on top over 5 horses for second, third, and fourth.

I did not have Eight belles on my ticket.

[JustRalph]

I think Derby day might be considered an anomaly. I should have specified or excluded Derby Day or any Triple Crown race............ :bang:

[Hajck Hillstrom]

I once bet a $175 dime super that paid over 2 grand.

I once bet a $154 dime super that paid $87 and I didn't have it on the ticket.

Both of these tickets were purchased on the rush. As a rule, I usually max out my superfecta plays at $48. (either for a dime or a buck)

That's when I was making wagers. 76 days without placing a wager and I'm still looking for the opportunity to rejoin the fold.

C'MON....SHOW ME SOMETHING!

[dav4463]

I had a good day. I was up over $200, so I got greedy and spent almost all of it on a superfecta that I just knew I would hit. I lost and went home with a $4 or $5 profit!

[raybo]

The attached covers 2 consecutive days at EvD (this was before the slots were installed there, small pools).

Bet 5 - $1 supers, total investment $180 all were $1 super tickets. These are typical ticket structures for me, although my average ticket cost is $18. My tickets range from $12 to $72 @ $1 supers.

[098poi]

Because if you have an online account, after a couple good hits... its like playing with play money sometimes... whats $200 after you hit a tri for $1,200 and your up on the month a couples thousand... you dont have to be a pro or do it for a living to have a good month of betting... and splurge in races where you know theres value... some months Im betting $8 tris and $6 pick 3s just hoping to catch a needle in a hay stack... but if you can deal with the big losses of $200 or so on in just one race, you can win at the game IMO... to play exotics in a profit winning way you need more combos in the race than the other handicappers betting in the same race... rarely are the $8,000 supers cashed with a $6 tri x/a,b,c.... etc... if Im in the -(red) for the month or maybe the year, yes a $300 loss hits hard... but I wouldnt be betting a $300 ticket if Im in the red the last couple of weeks... thats just my take on things...


This is where I and a lot of people fall down. The notion that if you win you are now playing with "the house's money". Once I win that becomes my money. Just like when I lose it becomes their money. I've lost a lot more money after winning than after losing. (lack of self control)

Check this great clip from "Lost in America" with Albert Brooks. The video is not that great but worth sitting through. His wife has just lost a lot of money in the casino and Albert is trying to get it back from the casino manager (brilliantly played by Garry Marshall).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJJfFkNnns

[raybo]

This is where I and a lot of people fall down. The notion that if you win you are now playing with "the house's money". Once I win that becomes my money. Just like when I lose it becomes their money. I've lost a lot more money after winning than after losing. (lack of self control)

Check this great clip from "Lost in America" with Albert Brooks. The video is not that great but worth sitting through. His wife has just lost a lot of money in the casino and Albert is trying to get it back from the casino manager (brilliantly played by Garry Marshall).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJJfFkNnns

Probably the reason you lose more after winning some cash is that you throw your method out the window. The confidence level after winning money skyrockets. Any emotion other one of taking care of business is dangerous to your bottom line. First, you must have confidence in tour method, that comes from tracking your bets, your ROI, and what types of races/tracks you do better at.

Once you develop true confidence in your method and have established what tracks/races qualify for wagering, the only thing left is to follow through with your method. Discipline is paramount to being successful.

Yes, it's true that the money you win is, technically, your money. But if you don't consider it yours until you withdraw it then that money left in the account is "operating capital". This is important! Yes, pay yourself a salary and move some into other investments, if you wish, but keep more cash in your bankroll than your previous expenses suggest.

I'm a firm believer that in order to become successful at this game and remain successful, you have to treat it as a business, not to say you can't have fun at it, many business owners enjoy their business enormously. But, you must handle your wagering affairs like a business would, there are profits and losses, gross profits and net profits, etc.. A successful businessman will make sure he has enough operating capital to cover all foreseeable expenses/losses. So as long as you have adequate operating capital you have things covered, as long as you keep your discipline and adhere to proven methods.

I consider all money in my bankroll as operating capital, not my money. I'm not afraid to pull the trigger when I need to because I have the money in the bankroll, I have accounted for all expenses (including my salary), and the remaining bankroll is not mine but operating capital. If I lose some races I haven't lost any of my money, only someone else's.

[Steve 'StatMan']

21 people have bet $120 in a super???

Are you all rich!??!

Not anymore. :( :blush:

Actually, I wasn't rich before, but better off back then than right now. But it wasn't the Superfectas, or betting-period, didn't cause the downturn.

[Hajck Hillstrom]

This is where I and a lot of people fall down. The notion that if you win you are now playing with "the house's money". House money is a term most often used by one that really doesn't conceptualize the game efficiently. I usually look at what is in my account as "my tools." This is an argument that I have had with TVG's Matt Carothers on numerous occasions. He like using the term "House Money," and it has been my contention that it is a term used by a longer list of losers than winners.

As for playing the rush, it is an inherent ability that the successful gambler has to know when to loosen the rubber band on the bank roll.

[phatbastard]

no, but i have played 12.00 in dimes