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ridersup
07-09-2001, 08:59 PM
With Churchill Downs ending their meet I am currently between tracks so I thought Id take this opportunity to look at some software. Since BRIS is giving away 5 free downloads of Multicaps this month I thought I would take them up on their offer.

Loading the software and downloading the races was easy enough but after looking at the many screens and setting forth many, many handicapping factors, I felt more confused than enlightned.

Anyone out there ever use this software and if so do you have any plan for attacking all the data?

Im sure that even if I learn to analyze this data I will still feel naked without my trusty past performance lines
, and accompanying trainer, jockey, and pedigree info.

Reading the instructions they indicate that PP lines may be generated with multicaps data files using BRIS's PP Generator to view and print Premium Past Performance files. It seems to me that I recall some harsh works spoken about the generator but I could be mistaken, It might have been the DRF formulator. Anyone have any experience with generator and is it worth downloading?


Ridersup

Tom
07-09-2001, 09:14 PM
I have both BRIS's Generator and the TSN version of the program.
Both are few and well worth the money ~G~
Serriously, yes, both are good programs for printing out
PP's. Generator sometimes freezes up, but I blame Bill Gates more for that than BRIS (that worm of man!).
I like the condensed versions, one page per race, just basic PP info with no frills, but neat to just look at the race and look for figure patterns.
Multiaps is ok, but it's modeling program really stinks-like it models every single type of race-breaking up $3,000 claimers and $3,200 claimers as two seperate catagories. I used it solid for a month earlier this year, and never had more than 2-3 races in any model class.
No help at all. I customized the print out so I only looked a couple of screens that interested me.
But, hey, it is free.
Tom

hdcper
07-09-2001, 11:30 PM
Hi Ridersup,

Used multicaps for almost 4 years, but have not used it in over a year. Hopefully you realize there is also a Dos version of the program which I believe can still be downloaded from Bris's site.

Although the new windows version generates better quality reports, I liked the Dos version better (some differences). Also found that the windows version did not automatically select pace lines exactly like the Dos version (which in my testing and opinion results in the new version not picking pace lines correctly at times). However, both allow you to select your own pace lines which maybe what you want to do anyway.

Agree with Tom regarding the modeling and PP generater at times locking up, but past performances should meet your needs (but realize the jockey, trainer and sire data is not as good as the ultimate past performances). Think you need to experiment with what screens work for your way of handicapping and you will definitely need more than 5 downloads to get a true feel for the program.

By becoming a silver club member, each track's daily download files run only $2 rather than $5 and recommend you do that if you want to spend anytime testing the program.

In my opinion, this is a good program. But like any software, has a learning curve and may or may not work for your method of handicapping.

Good luck,

hdcper

ridersup
07-10-2001, 08:06 AM
As always thanks for the imput guys. Great thing about this board, if you have a question, someones been there and done that.

Butch
07-11-2001, 11:48 PM
I used Multicaps for about three years before moving on to other software. As far as I'm concerned, it's the best of the proprietary software offered by BRIS/TSN.

The amount of information Multicaps offers is overwhelming. I'll give you a few hints on what to do:

1) Use the DOS version. It's more versatile and runs faster. It gives you more options for paceline selection.

2) Don't even try to use all the information Multicaps offers. John Marrone (the author) included every rating and factor under the sun so that anything a person might want would be there. Pick and choose what works for you.

3) Use the modelling function. Multicaps models most of its ratings and does so for straight betting and exotics.

4) Call BRIS and ask to speak to John Marrone. He'll be happy to answer any of your questions and give you pointers on how to use the program.

Butch

andicap
07-12-2001, 09:53 AM
Is John still living in Las Vegas or did he move to Ky?
I was one of the initial users of that program and liked it a lot. John's a nice guy.

I went away from it because he was using par times that I thought were faulty (before BRIS) and I don't believe in modeling unless you choose every paceline yourself.

Dave Schwartz
07-12-2001, 11:59 AM
Andicap,

John is working at BRIS so a commute from Las Vegas would be tough. <G>

He is such a fine honorable man. Very likeable. I recently made contact with him again and look forward to speaking with him every week or two.



Regards,
Dave Schwartz

MikeH
07-12-2001, 10:23 PM
I used Multicaps (DOS) several years ago and recently used the Windows version for several months. They're both excellent pieces of software. I'm in agreement with several of the posters that the DOS version may be better, but I would recommend that you install both, then go into the Windows version, find the options screen that controls which reports PRINT, check all of them to print, and look at each one to see what is there. There must be 15 - 20 reports in the Windows version.

As far as PP Generator goes, I think that it is a dynamic tool to use with any of the BRIS software packages. I use HTRF now, but a Multicaps, Allways, or HTRF report side by side with the Form that PP Generator prints is a potent combination. You can get a real good feel for the quality of the data in the reports. It's written in Microsoft's FoxPro, which, like all good Microsoft products, tends to cause your computer to freeze occasionally. Just don't load PP Generator when you are 2 minutes away from making a bet on Winticket or any of the other on-line services.

The Form program that you have heard people having problems with is the DRF's "Formulator."