Stephanie Beattie

[shoelessjoe]

Pretty amazing what she has done at CT this year close to 200 starters and 46% winners,I know some of you will say it's not the trainer but the horse.

[Tom Barrister]

The joy of modern pharmaceutics.

[Zman179]

We should start a poll to see when Beattie's next drug positive will take place.

[lamboguy]

do your self a favor and stop beleiving that nonsense about "super drugs"

stephanie and dave wells know how to train horses. she gets on every horse she has, she knows when the horse is off and goes to work on the problem.

they spot their horses perfectly, and they have 2 good people running the show. plus throw in the owners that just want to win and you are going to have good results.

in pennsylvania there is a ban on steroids, she has never tested positive for them. her one drug suspension has been for clembuterol to close to the race.

and beleive me that is a very inaccurate test. they can pick and choose who they suspent for that infration any day of the week.

if the racing game was full of stephanie beattie's the stands would be packed

[Tom Barrister]

do your self a favor and stop beleiving that nonsense about "super drugs"

stephanie and dave wells know how to train horses. she gets on every horse she has, she knows when the horse is off and goes to work on the problem.

they spot their horses perfectly, and they have 2 good people running the show. plus throw in the owners that just want to win and you are going to have good results.

in pennsylvania there is a ban on steroids, she has never tested positive for them. her one drug suspension has been for clembuterol to close to the race.

and beleive me that is a very inaccurate test. they can pick and choose who they suspent for that infration any day of the week.

if the racing game was full of stephanie beattie's the stands would be packed

If racing was full of Stephanie Beatties, and racing didn't do something to stop them, there wouldn't be any horses left to race; they'd all be dead, crippled, or otherwise incapacitated.

In the 100 years of horse racing preceding the Golden Years of Pharmacy (GYP), trainers who could maintain a win percentage of even 25% over 200 or more starts in a year were few and far between. I realize that the average field size has gone down, but we now have more trainers close to or exceeding 30% than one can shake a stick at. Just off the top of my head: Steve Miyadi, Wayne Catalano, Stephanie Beattie, Mike Chambers, Thomas Amoss, Michael Maker (40%---yes FORTY PERCENT---winners), Terry Jordan, Wesley Ward, McLean Robertson, Jamie Ness, David Wells, William Morey, Chris Richard, Justin Evans, Chris Englehart, Brett Calhoun.

All household names, right? Some may not have even been training a few years ago. But they all learned how to dominate the game. Add to these another 50 or so who don't have large stables, but who still manage to break 30% or even 40% winners over a reasonable number of starts.

And that's just some of the 25%+ crowd. Let's not ignore the hundreds of trainers who hit 20% per year. How did they all suddenly get so good? We can't attribute all of their successes to the fact that the average field size has gone down from about 10 to about 8.

Remember the days when people wowed because a trainer like Charlie Whittingham was hitting 22% winners?

In my opinion, nobody is good enough to hit 35% winners without doing something that isn't allowed by the rules. Your mileage may vary.

[lamboguy]

i am new to this, i really want to learn something. is that all you have to do is give a horse or a human for that matter a miracle drug, and that will make them change from an uncompetive runner to a fast one. you obviously know the drug or the substance that can make a slow horse fast. can you please let me in on this discovery, i would like to try some myself.

you see i have plenty of slow horses and i need all the help i can get without getting into trouble.

[cj]

To further what Tom Barrister says, are all the other trainers bad horsemen? How is it that claiming off any of these mega high percentage trainers usually leads to a quick demise for the horse.

I just don't believe all the other trainers are that incompetent. They don't last one start in the new barn without a big decline.

[shoelessjoe]

Just thougvht it was a an amazing win pct didnt really want to get into the drug issue,Imboguy is right though she does know where to place her horses.

[bigmack]

didnt really want to get into the drug issue,Imboguy is right though she does know where to place her horses.
Yeah, no point in talking about the drug issue. It's all in where she places her horses. Right next to a vet with a big bag.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/80-2.jpg

[dave the horseman]

I concur whole-heartedly with Tom, tough to think differently

[proximity]

in pennsylvania there is a ban on steroids, she has never tested positive for them.

are you positive about this??

[PaceAdvantage]

In the 100 years of horse racing preceding the Golden Years of Pharmacy (GYP), trainers who could maintain a win percentage of even 25% over 200 or more starts in a year were few and far between.The game was so different back then that to even compare the two eras is an exercise in futility. And I'm not even talking about the drug factor when I say this.

From the amount of times horses ran, to the spacing of a typical horse's races, to the fact that it is easier to travel to different venues to pick your spots, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. It's all different these days.

[jotb]

do your self a favor and stop beleiving that nonsense about "super drugs"

stephanie and dave wells know how to train horses. she gets on every horse she has, she knows when the horse is off and goes to work on the problem.

they spot their horses perfectly, and they have 2 good people running the show. plus throw in the owners that just want to win and you are going to have good results.

in pennsylvania there is a ban on steroids, she has never tested positive for them. her one drug suspension has been for clembuterol to close to the race.

and beleive me that is a very inaccurate test. they can pick and choose who they suspent for that infration any day of the week.


if the racing game was full of stephanie beattie's the stands would be packed


For the record, Stephanie Beattie has racked up 13 positive steroid tests.

[shoelessjoe]

From your posts I guss these smaller trainers get them as well.Was a repeat winner yesterday for 20,000.

[Show Me the Wire]

i am new to this, i really want to learn something. is that all you have to do is give a horse or a human for that matter a miracle drug, and that will make them change from an uncompetive runner to a fast one. you obviously know the drug or the substance that can make a slow horse fast. can you please let me in on this discovery, i would like to try some myself.

you see i have plenty of slow horses and i need all the help i can get without getting into trouble.


Just find out what drug your jurisdiction is not testing for and give it to your horses. You won't get in trouble if they don't find it, and they won't find it if they are not testing for it.

Of course some drugs are undetectable. Ask you vet "hypothetically" about the existence of drugs that can make your horses faster. By faster I mean, allowing the delay in build up of latic acid by increasing blood flow and oxygen in the blood.

Ask if the above, in thoery, is possible and you should get your answer.

Of course if your horse is sore some sort of venom will help it run faster, because it won't feel any pain.

Then you can take the blinkers off, and see the surrounding landscape.

[lamboguy]

how about doing an I-WRAP. that is where you draw blood from the horses, add some type of chemical to it, put the blood in a feezer and inject the joint that is haveing trouble. that procedure will take 6 weeks and is legal.

[Show Me the Wire]

But does it work as well as venom?

You asked the question about miracle drugs that would help a horse run faster and more competitive. I answered your question about the type of drugs a trainer could use to make his or hers horses faster and more competitive.

[lamboguy]

truthfully, an i-wrap is something i have never heard about until very recently. it sounds very close to something they try to do for horses that bow. i am not sure what type of chemical they add to the blood, but what is going into the horse is his own blood into his joint. since it takes 6 weeks to complete the process, it sounds more like a therapudic remedy to me.
maybe someone else is familiar with this and can explain it to me. i am curious to learn about it.

[JWBurnie]

13 positives this year? Are you kidding me? What ever happened with J. Vaders case in PHA? PENN/PHA, drug testing? :lol: :confused:



So, I saw this movie once.......



New track Vet, well educated fellow; good intentions, and plans to run a clean, tight ship. However, local trainers won't use him because he won't give the answer’s (drugs) they want. Vet has to make a living, he starts cutting corners. Bottle here, bottle there. Block here, block there. Business is good, and he's making some good $$.



Spit barn employee, "Urination Engineer" aka old yellow hands; nearly earned his GED and just got a raise, now making $8.37 hr. He couldn't care less about the job. His only concern was how long he had to whistle before the damn horse would piss.



Hot trainer, can't go wrong at the claim box; winning races left and right. He has this great vet, who really cares about his horses and under his care they never seem to stop. That last 1/8th, when the field is tiring, they just always seem to find a second wind. It was amazing. Oh, I have to mention; this was entertaining to me, the trainer was played by a man who looked a lot like John Candy (think the Great Outdoors, eating the 96'er). A large man, probably didn't exercise much, or ever, but damn if he couldn't condition a horse. Made me wonder.... how could such a physical mess know anything about conditioning an animal?



Next scene...hot trainer has this drugged up freak ready to find a race, two weeks off the claim. Only problem, as always, he knows there is no way he'll make it through the spit barn. This horse will be pissing lasers after the race. Damn, what was he do? Right place, right time, he runs into old yellow hands at the track kitchen. "Hey, how would you like to make a couple extra dollars in a few days?” Yada, yada, yada...... “Would it be possible for you to split samples?”



This wasn't the case at all tracks; at some, it was okay to have a positive here and there, and you wouldn't get caught, too often. The penalties were a joke; just a cost of doing business. Slap here, slap there. The public was never made aware of the infractions either, so he always saved face and could always blame it on jealous trainers or that unhappy ex-employee.



By the end of the movie, he had strings of horses, from coast to coast. Unfortunately, he didn't know or even get to see all the horses under his care, but his assistants were great. The best part, “great” vets could be found all over. As for the Urination Engineers, they made about the same wage at all tracks, and they were usually willing to lend a helping hand.





Do you think parts of this movie were based on actual events/people?

[proximity]

those 13 beattie positives were of the john sadler ilk..... they occurred before the ban went into (full) effect on oct 1.

[jotb]

those 13 beattie positives were of the john sadler ilk..... they occurred before the ban went into (full) effect on oct 1.


Trainers throughout Pennsylvania and in surrounding states were given plenty of notice last winter that a steroid ban would be initiated starting April 1 and harsh penalties for positive tests would follow once the policy takes full effect in October.

The commission later announced that it had collected 2,061 pre-ban samples for testing from the start of January to Feb. 22 - 98.8 percent of which tested negative for anabolic steroids. It seemed as though almost all trainers were taking the ban very seriously.

The 13 beattie positives came after April 1. Beattie apparently did not receive anything more than a "reprimand" for each of her horses' 13 positive tests. Her most significant overage was with Angela's Rainbow, who was slightly more than four times over the legal limit for the steroid Boldenone after an April 19 race at Penn National.

[Robert Fischer]

unfortunately, i think a lot of the high % horseplayers are juicing as well. You just don't get $70,000 in the black with $40 win bets like Karlskorner and some of these guys without juicing.
I've talked to some "in the know"... 70% of them are using caffeine. You know there is a popular public handicapper who was caught with a bottle of Ginkgo Biloba?? :eek: Whats next? Viagra?

[miesque]

unfortunately, i think a lot of the high % horseplayers are juicing as well. You just don't get $70,000 in the black with $40 win bets like Karlskorner and some of these guys without juicing.
I've talked to some "in the know"... 70% of them are using caffeine. You know there is a popular public handicapper who was caught with a bottle of Ginkgo Biloba?? :eek: Whats next? Viagra?

:D Lots of different "juice" out there for the horseplayers ranging from milkshakes, cocktails to pharmaceuticals. :cool:

[JWBurnie]

unfortunately, i think a lot of the high % horseplayers are juicing as well. You just don't get $70,000 in the black with $40 win bets like Karlskorner and some of these guys without juicing.
I've talked to some "in the know"... 70% of them are using caffeine. You know there is a popular public handicapper who was caught with a bottle of Ginkgo Biloba?? :eek: Whats next? Viagra?

I think you hit it on the nose with Viagra. Have you seen the recent reports on cycilists and pro athletes taking Viagra? Wouldn't surprise me if many trainers are already using it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/Cyclists-using-Viagra-to-cheat-at-cycling-?urn=top,86672

[proximity]

unfortunately, i think a lot of the high % horseplayers are juicing as well....... :eek: Whats next? Viagra?

is that what john piesen was using??:lol:

[JWBurnie]

Here is an interesting read.....Vet spills a few beans.

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/blog.php/John-Pricci/comments/deep-throat-vet-colleagues-cortisone-hurting-the-game/#comments

[Tom Barrister]

Thirteen reprimands for steroid violations. No significant fines, no suspensions, nothing but "reprimands".

About all you can gather from that is that the Beatties can do whatever they darned well please (at least at Penn National) and get nothing more than a finger wagging (probably acompanied by a wink) in the way of "punishment".

[JWBurnie]

jotb,

How many infractions do these two have?

I haven't seen either name at CT in a while. Keisy has had a couple at LRL.

[takeout]

I haven't seen either name at CT in a while. Keisy has had a couple at LRL.This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen yet. They’ve been denied access to the grounds but still start all of their horses in other trainers’ names.

[JWBurnie]

This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen yet. They’ve been denied access to the grounds but still start all of their horses in other trainers’ names.

Winning at the same clip?

[takeout]

Winning at the same clip?Pretty much. It looks like business as usual to me.

As far as I know their suspensions have been over with for a long time. That’s why the whole thing seems to be more of a farce than usual. Guess tracks can do whatever they want however they want. :confused:

This industry couldn’t screw trainer stats up any more if it tried. :bang:

[jotb]

jotb,

How many infractions do these two have?

I haven't seen either name at CT in a while. Keisy has had a couple at LRL.

This guy Julio should be ruled off every racetrack in the country. When he was suspended back in April of 2005, the horses were placed under his daughter's name Keisy. This guy even hurt his own daughter's reputation as she was suspended as well. To my recollection, I believe it happened around May of this year. She appeared back on the scene in Aug at Laurel winning with a horse by the name of Phil The Brit. She's ran a few (11 horses since that win) outside of CT (LRL, MTH, TIM, and DEL) winning 1 other race.

Julio ran his last horse at CT in June of 2008 and since then it looks like the horses have went to Gary Dunlevy and Misael Ceciliano. From June 2008 Gary Dunlevy has won 30 races from 104 starts 29% and 58% ITM. This is a pretty good stat for a guy that ran only 48 horses from 2002 thru 2007 winning 3 races.


Misael Ceciliano has some amazing stats as well. This year he has run 120 horses winning 28 races 23% and 51% ITM. Misael coming into this year had only run in 102 races winning 9 of them 9% and 21% ITM from 2001 thru 2007.


Joe

[takeout]

Julio ran his last horse at CT in June of 2008 and since then it looks like the horses have went to Gary Dunlevy and Misael Ceciliano.It looks like Dunlevy is starting the horses that were in Julio’s name and Ceciliano is starting the ones that were in Keisy’s. Whenever the horses race elsewhere they go right back into the Cartagena names as can often be seen from the “previously trained by” in the pps.

As far as I can tell nothing has changed except they’ve had to hire a couple of “names” to put in their entries, make claims and such. Business as usual. Same owners, same horses. Only difference is now there are two new instant "super trainers" at CT. :rolleyes:

One thing that does confuse the issue even further than the powers that be already have, is that some of the more recent claims have now, due to this ridiculous situation, never been seen in either Cartagena’s name. For those you have to be aware of the situation and their regular owners.

Racing should devise a way to handle these so-called “suspensions” and “rulings off” and whatnot so that it doesn’t continue to skew the trainer stats. :bang:

[awesomehandicapper]

Instead of just mouthing off on this forum these points should be directed to the people in charge at CT via letters or emails.
You are all right on the money about this.
We have some horses at CT and if certain names appear on the trainer list in the overnight we scratch. 90% of the time horses are just running for 2nd money in these races.
Keep in mind that most of these stewards governing racing are ex jockeys.
Most good jocks start at age 16. No real scholars to speak of as the profession they were in does not require any degree from a university. They give up riding for any number of reasons and become stewards. Some become great stewards ( Charlestown has had some of the best). Sometimes as in every profession a few of the less intelligent take over and the result is less than desirable. Not saying that is the case at the present time but it is a political job and in these new times has become a very complicated one.
Some trainers laughing all the way to the bank. Most stabled on the grounds are working for less than minimum wage. Sometime soon this Charlestown theatre of the absurd will cease and the you know what will hit the fan, but until that good time comes we have to tolerate these obvious violations and make the best of a fabulous business to be involved in. :bang:

[Mineshaft]

Here is an interesting read.....Vet spills a few beans.

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/blog.php/John-Pricci/comments/deep-throat-vet-colleagues-cortisone-hurting-the-game/#comments




Link not working-Anyone having problems?

[Nmytwenties]

On the subject of the drug issue and high percentage trainers...

I am one that is a big advocate of getting the individuals who violate drug rules out of the sport. I don't know why they should be given a 2nd chance and find it incredible that they would get a third. But I really disagree that all trainers with a high percentage of winners are necessarily drugging their horses. I also don't agree with the argument that any trainer who wins with a horse, and then gets it claimed and the horse goes downhill after the claim, was violating any rules.

I think a fact that escapes many is the fact that many trainers in the sport have very little skill at all and they don't do as quality of a job. This could be for a variety of reasons, lack of money or lack of effort being just two of them. Should quality trainers be accused of illegality because they employ more people to help with care and training of their stable of runners??

As a bettor you really can't worry about whether a horse is drugged or not, you just have no way of knowing do you. I think the people who complain about certain trainers "winning all the time" are kinda foolish in their statement. If they truly are a sure thing then why are you complaining, up the ante and make money.

I am no less annoyed when certain trainers get suspensions and then get lawyers to appeal the ruling which allows them to go on for months saddling horses without the punishment for the positive being served. And as naive as it would be to say drugging is not a problem at all, it is just as foolish to say that all trainers winnning at 25% or higher are all cheating. But I think the industry is trying to improve things as is evident with all of the states banning steroids. All sports leagues have to evolve policy as new drugs and masking agents come onto the market and the sport of horse racing should not be overly criticized as they try to adapt. As long as they are always looking to improve things, I can't complain too much.

[lamboguy]

for the last 30 years the first question i always asked a trainer the day after the horse ran is: did the horse fininsh eating their feed tub? and how much water did the horse drink after the race?

as far as i know the game hasn't changed that much in the last 30 years. good eaters run good races, bad eaters don't. its pretty simple. of course with anabolic steroids it changes the game alot. bad eaters now become good eaters and pump up their bodies with muscles. you can tell a horse on steroids by looking at their behinds. todd plecher's horses had all huge behinds, you did'nt have to know it was his horse in the morning, all you had to do was look at him. what ever he was using a few years ago, he must have stopped and the performance's have gone down as well lately. guy's that used to be around in racetracks that were in the know about his horses have disapeared.

i find that the main problem with steroids is not while the horses are running, but when they go to the breeding shed. often times stallions perform as a race horse but not as a stallion, i would actually say to often.

its because the horse was just an ordinary horse and he passed on his ordinary genes.

banning steroids would certainly even off the playing field and in my opinion be good for the game in the long run. but i don't feel like this is the main reason why you get crazy results from diferent trainers. sometimes certain trainers know whats wrong with a horse and can deal with it. there is alot more that i could go into,, but what i think the best thing for the horse business in the united states to do is to go to japan and follow what they are doing from head to toe and just copy it. it works there why not here?

[bobbyb]

How's this for starters;

...........If You test Positive for a banned substance, you will be charged by an outside source, such as the State Police for fraudulant conveyance. That should take care of most of the illegal/banned substance problems - not all mind you - but I'm confident.
These Track owners have a responsibilty to the general public and welfare of the horses and people that work with them. Security, and tough penalties should be the norm.

bobby

[jotb]

It looks like Dunlevy is starting the horses that were in Julio’s name and Ceciliano is starting the ones that were in Keisy’s. Whenever the horses race elsewhere they go right back into the Cartagena names as can often be seen from the “previously trained by” in the pps.

As far as I can tell nothing has changed except they’ve had to hire a couple of “names” to put in their entries, make claims and such. Business as usual. Same owners, same horses. Only difference is now there are two new instant "super trainers" at CT. :rolleyes:

One thing that does confuse the issue even further than the powers that be already have, is that some of the more recent claims have now, due to this ridiculous situation, never been seen in either Cartagena’s name. For those you have to be aware of the situation and their regular owners.

Racing should devise a way to handle these so-called “suspensions” and “rulings off” and whatnot so that it doesn’t continue to skew the trainer stats. :bang:


Here's something I don't understand. CT does not allow Julio to run any horses under his name but MNR allowed him to run Mr. Emancipator on 11-18-08 as trainer/owner. Unless I'm wrong, I always thought CT and MNR are in the same state. How does the West Virginia racing commission allow this?

Mr.Emancipator ran at MNR on Oct 13 2008 and the trainer was Gary Dunlevy and the owner was Winfred L Hess, Jr. Mr. Emancipator runs 36 days later Nov 18 at MNR and the trainer/owner that night was Julio R. Cartagena. Then 12 days later Nov 30 Mr.Emancipator runs back at CT under Gary Dunlevy but the new owner is Awilda Cartagena. Who is Awilda Cartagena? I give you one guess.

The day Mr. Emancipator was entered to run at MNR on Nov 18th (finished 3rd) went with 6 other entries to make a 7 horse race. Come that night the race went with 5 horses. The 2 horses that were scr. for the race were Theycallmeadreamer and Kohog. Theycallmeadreamer was entered to run under trainer/owner Gary Dunlevy and Kohog was entered under trainer/owner Misael Ceciliano.

Prior to the Nov 18th race Theycallmeadreamer was entered on Oct.13 to run at MNR under the trainer name Julio Cartagena and the owner was to be Awilda Cartajena. Theycallmeadreamer was scr. on Oct 13th. On Oct 4th which was the last race this horse ran was at CT and the trainer was Gary Dunlevy and the owner was Awilda Cartajena.

Prior to the Nov 18th race Kohog ran Oct 13th (finished 2nd same race as Mr.Emancipator 3rd and Theycallmeadreamer scr.) running under trainer Misael Ceciliano but the owner's name was Andrew Eisenberg. Kohog was entered prior to the Oct 13th race under trainer/owner Misael Ceciliano. Prior to the Oct 13th race Kohog was entered and scr. at MNR on Aug 15th 2008 in a 30k State Bred race (8 days later after running at CT for 6K) which was won by Missacity Luke (trained by Gary Dunlevy).

[lamboguy]

this steroid business has always been controversial for years. but what i really wonder is that if you asked most trainers and owners they would be in favor of banning them. and even more important fans and bettors of the sport woudl be too. that brings us to the next question: why are they still around?

answer: its a good old boys network and the big owners and trainers and bettors are afraid to play on a level playing field. the worst thing to them would be to see parity in this sport. i wonder how much fun richard englander, michael gill, maggie moss, bob cole would have if they didn't win every race?


wouldn't this sport be better with more owners? i think it would bring more people to the game. but when an owner puts up his money and sees these guys run all over them, and lose their money every time they leave the game.

slot machines is never going to be the answer for the horseracing industry, its jsut a shot in the arm.

[proximity]

Sometime soon this Charlestown theatre of the absurd will cease and the you know what will hit the fan, but until that good time comes we have to tolerate these obvious violations and make the best of a fabulous business to be involved in. :bang:


potentially prophetic maiden post there awesomehandicapper, as last night the barn did absolutely nothing at either pen or ct.

let's see if they can get any 3/5s home over the weekend....

[TurfRuler]

[color=black]13 positives this year? Are you kidding me? What ever happened with J. Vaders case in PHA? PENN/PHA, drug testing?

So, I saw this movie once...Do you think parts of this movie were based on actual events/people?

You site actual events in your imagined movie. My only comment is Et tu, Wesley Ward.

[dave the horseman]

Quote:
Originally Posted by takeout
It looks like Dunlevy is starting the horses that were in Julio’s name and Ceciliano is starting the ones that were in Keisy’s. Whenever the horses race elsewhere they go right back into the Cartagena names as can often be seen from the “previously trained by” in the pps.

As far as I can tell nothing has changed except they’ve had to hire a couple of “names” to put in their entries, make claims and such. Business as usual. Same owners, same horses. Only difference is now there are two new instant "super trainers" at CT.

One thing that does confuse the issue even further than the powers that be already have, is that some of the more recent claims have now, due to this ridiculous situation, never been seen in either Cartagena’s name. For those you have to be aware of the situation and their regular owners.

Racing should devise a way to handle these so-called “suspensions” and “rulings off” and whatnot so that it doesn’t continue to skew the trainer stats.



Here's something I don't understand. CT does not allow Julio to run any horses under his name but MNR allowed him to run Mr. Emancipator on 11-18-08 as trainer/owner. Unless I'm wrong, I always thought CT and MNR are in the same state. How does the West Virginia racing commission allow this?



The boards of stewards work independent of each other, if you are "ruled off" of one track , if does not affect your standing automatically at another.

But it should.. :bang:

[cj]

Those guys have 5 or 6 trainers.

One thing I'm curious about is why Beattie is allowed to run at CT. She doesn't stable horses there, ships in and takes purse money, and leaves. It isn't like they are hurting for entries at Charles Town as far as I can tell. Her presence in a race has to drive away betting dollars I would think.

[awesomehandicapper]

Correction: if you are ruled off ,suspended etc. by the Racing commission of any state you are ruled off everywhere. These people are not ruled off or suspended so they can run elsewhere. CT just refuses to take their entries. Just a racetrack policy. they can refuse to take entries from any trainer or owner. The scene described two threads ago about the Mountaineer
scratching and running down to five horses is another perfect example of
" thoroughbred theatre of absurd".

[takeout]

These people are not ruled off or suspended so they can run elsewhere. CT just refuses to take their entries. Just a racetrack policy. they can refuse to take entries from any trainer or owner.What I don’t understand is why the track would refuse to take a trainer’s entries and then turn around and take them anyway, from “names” that are representing that trainer. I’m not believing for a second that the track doesn’t know what’s going on. To me, this is an even bigger farce than the normal so-called suspension.

[dave the horseman]

thanks for the clarification awesome. Hopefully someday life will be normal again

[jotb]

Correction: if you are ruled off ,suspended etc. by the Racing commission of any state you are ruled off everywhere. These people are not ruled off or suspended so they can run elsewhere. CT just refuses to take their entries. Just a racetrack policy. they can refuse to take entries from any trainer or owner. The scene described two threads ago about the Mountaineer
scratching and running down to five horses is another perfect example of
" thoroughbred theatre of absurd".

Please explain why CT is not excepting entries from the Cartagena's. How many stalls does Dunlevy and Ceciliano have at CT? Where is Cartagena stabled? Are they all on the same farm? Cartagena has been suspended so many times over the years. He was arrested back in 2003 in NJ when the police found a quantity of veterinary material at his barn. The search was conducted because one of his horses tested positive for banamine. He was suspended for 45 days when another horse tested positive for Clenbuterol. How does the racing world allow this man to continue business as usual?

[lamboguy]

bananmine and clem are legal substances to use on horses these days. you are just not allowed to run with them in your system. as far as i know almost all horses that train with either clem or banamine will come up positive. it is always a question as to how high the levels are in the horse's system after the race. another thing clembuterol is expensive it cost about $250 a month, not all use the stuff. banamine is about $5 for every injection. lots of trainers use that stuff quite frequently. alot of the beefs are from people that don't use any of this stuff. they claim that the guys using it are buying races and they are often right.

in my opinion the sport would be on solid grounds if they banned all this stuff, even for training. it would make for a more competitive game and draw more people into the game. but this thread has been about trainers that cheat, and i say they push the pencil to the highest mountain because of the way the rules are structured. so maybe you have to change the rules and the penalties for breaking them.

[awesomehandicapper]

The people we are talking about run off a farm. The horses come in now and then to use track and train out of the receiving barn. Beattie has stalls at Penn and on a farm. I don't know a thing about her operation except that we have in the past claimed some horses off her and i must say the horses come to you looking like a millionaire dollars. Coats are shining. feet perfectly trimmed. Most eat up next day. So these people are fantastic horsemen and would probably do very well no matter what they are alledged using to enchance their horse's performance. They also work very very hard. Her big stats are usually with Cole's horses. Hard to admit but they are a lot smarter than most of us. All their horses have a for sale sign at some point which is ignored sometimes to the peril of that person. But no where in the history of the sport have these stats been produced for a prolonged time. Of course remember Oscar in NY a few years ago. The other guy is a total other story. His group is making a mockery of racing at CT which will come to an end soon i am sure. Jeff Runco wins a ton of races but there is an explanation. a. he is a great horse person b. he works harder than any trainer. He has great contacts all over the country so people send him horses which he has for a short length of time and wins with them . Also with 80 horses in training you have to win a few . He gives away his cheap horses. His name is mentioned because he wins a lot but there is reason behind his accomplishments.
There is no reasonable explanation for what is happening elsewhere. A test will come up. It always has and it always does. Lets hope it is sooner rather than later.

[Mineshaft]

The people we are talking about run off a farm. The horses come in now and then to use track and train out of the receiving barn. Beattie has stalls at Penn and on a farm. I don't know a thing about her operation except that we have in the past claimed some horses off her and i must say the horses come to you looking like a millionaire dollars. Coats are shining. feet perfectly trimmed. Most eat up next day. So these people are fantastic horsemen and would probably do very well no matter what they are alledged using to enchance their horse's performance. They also work very very hard. Her big stats are usually with Cole's horses. Hard to admit but they are a lot smarter than most of us. All their horses have a for sale sign at some point which is ignored sometimes to the peril of that person. But no where in the history of the sport have these stats been produced for a prolonged time. Of course remember Oscar in NY a few years ago. The other guy is a total other story. His group is making a mockery of racing at CT which will come to an end soon i am sure. Jeff Runco wins a ton of races but there is an explanation. a. he is a great horse person b. he works harder than any trainer. He has great contacts all over the country so people send him horses which he has for a short length of time and wins with them . Also with 80 horses in training you have to win a few . He gives away his cheap horses. His name is mentioned because he wins a lot but there is reason behind his accomplishments.
There is no reasonable explanation for what is happening elsewhere. A test will come up. It always has and it always does. Lets hope it is sooner rather than later.





Why would you claim off a trainer hitting at 40%? I know when im claiming i stay away from the good trainers. i try and claim one off a low % trainer. I know theres room for improvement.

[lamboguy]

everyone always thought the best way to go is to claim off the weak trainer and improve the horse. i find that once its in the weak trainer's hands for more than one race over the horses head, you would have to spend to much money to get the horse to ge after the horse learned the bad habits. i like the way dick dutrow claims, he claims from the best and runs them with the best. he claimed big sis from asmussen and improved her big time

[Mineshaft]

everyone always thought the best way to go is to claim off the weak trainer and improve the horse. i find that once its in the weak trainer's hands for more than one race over the horses head, you would have to spend to much money to get the horse to ge after the horse learned the bad habits. i like the way dick dutrow claims, he claims from the best and runs them with the best. he claimed big sis from asmussen and improved her big time




I look for a decent horse that has some ability that i can improve off of. I look for a trainer that goes the cheap route. Doesnt always work but for the most part i have had good success.

Any other opinions of how you look at claiming?

[Robert Fischer]

get a filly from a low budget/good horseman barn, and give her some time off , let her pack on the muscle in a steroid regimen...

get any horse with problems that had a lot of underlying talent, and make him pain free for a few races...

[lamboguy]

tonight's 6th race @ charlietown, money feet. look back what this horse has done, he breaks his maiden in new york for the bottom, catches a weak nw2 $25,000 field in penn national, wins drops to nw3 for $15,000, wins drops to nw4 for $10,000. runs a bad race for $12,500 open, then another drop to a wide open $5,000 and runs bad. they take the horse and stop with him for 3 months, patch him up, and wait for his conditions to come up again 3 months later. then he wins twice in a row. that's not drugs folks, thats stephanie beattie using her head. she knows she has a bum that can't win open, so why waste anyone's time. if you want to reach in and take him good luck, you aren't going to win an open race either.

[Mineshaft]

And she spots her horses in the right spot. So many trainers when they win for 20K Non-2 they will go to Non-3 for 20K or Allowance. Why not make it easy on the horse and drop to 10K Non-3 like she does. So many trainers will win for 20K think they have a horse worth 20K.

[lamboguy]

she can now step the horse up to either $7500 open or even $10,000 and michael gill will be there to grab the horse. god forbid anyone puts anything across on him. he's smarter than all of them, he is a legend in his own mind!

[Mineshaft]

The people we are talking about run off a farm. The horses come in now and then to use track and train out of the receiving barn. Beattie has stalls at Penn and on a farm. I don't know a thing about her operation except that we have in the past claimed some horses off her and i must say the horses come to you looking like a millionaire dollars. Coats are shining. feet perfectly trimmed. Most eat up next day. So these people are fantastic horsemen and would probably do very well no matter what they are alledged using to enchance their horse's performance. They also work very very hard. Her big stats are usually with Cole's horses. Hard to admit but they are a lot smarter than most of us. All their horses have a for sale sign at some point which is ignored sometimes to the peril of that person. But no where in the history of the sport have these stats been produced for a prolonged time. Of course remember Oscar in NY a few years ago. The other guy is a total other story. His group is making a mockery of racing at CT which will come to an end soon i am sure. Jeff Runco wins a ton of races but there is an explanation. a. he is a great horse person b. he works harder than any trainer. He has great contacts all over the country so people send him horses which he has for a short length of time and wins with them . Also with 80 horses in training you have to win a few . He gives away his cheap horses. His name is mentioned because he wins a lot but there is reason behind his accomplishments.
There is no reasonable explanation for what is happening elsewhere. A test will come up. It always has and it always does. Lets hope it is sooner rather than later.



What does Runco charge a day if you dont mind me asking?

[shoelessjoe]

For as long as I can remember there has always been some trainer under suspicion at CT.Years back it was Charlie Walker who had a pretty good sized stable and they eventually banned him from the track.He then went to Louisana Downs where he had continued success.


Jockeys as well are under the gun.Who can forget the famous Marion Bender race here in Maryland where the horse went off 1-5 with Nick Shuk aboard in a very short field and ran off the board.One of the horses paid 70.00 show and after the race you could see Nick Shuk sitting there similing.

[dave the horseman]

For my money, claim a horse in good form, keep them there, and hit a good spot, quick money is better than no money

[Tom Barrister]

For as long as I can remember there has always been some trainer under suspicion at CT.Years back it was Charlie Walker who had a pretty good sized stable and they eventually banned him from the track.He then went to Louisana Downs where he had continued success.


That's the logical place to go. Lousiana won't deny or revoke your license if you haven't killed anybody in the past week.

[Mineshaft]

For my money, claim a horse in good form, keep them there, and hit a good spot, quick money is better than no money





Exactly right..

[jotb]

The people we are talking about run off a farm. The horses come in now and then to use track and train out of the receiving barn. Beattie has stalls at Penn and on a farm. I don't know a thing about her operation except that we have in the past claimed some horses off her and i must say the horses come to you looking like a millionaire dollars. Coats are shining. feet perfectly trimmed. Most eat up next day. So these people are fantastic horsemen and would probably do very well no matter what they are alledged using to enchance their horse's performance. They also work very very hard. Her big stats are usually with Cole's horses. Hard to admit but they are a lot smarter than most of us. All their horses have a for sale sign at some point which is ignored sometimes to the peril of that person. But no where in the history of the sport have these stats been produced for a prolonged time. Of course remember Oscar in NY a few years ago. The other guy is a total other story. His group is making a mockery of racing at CT which will come to an end soon i am sure. Jeff Runco wins a ton of races but there is an explanation. a. he is a great horse person b. he works harder than any trainer. He has great contacts all over the country so people send him horses which he has for a short length of time and wins with them . Also with 80 horses in training you have to win a few . He gives away his cheap horses. His name is mentioned because he wins a lot but there is reason behind his accomplishments.
There is no reasonable explanation for what is happening elsewhere. A test will come up. It always has and it always does. Lets hope it is sooner rather than later.


What horses have you claimed off Beattie in the past or who is your trainer?

Joe

[Citation1947]

Her time is almost up. Public announcement coming soon. One scumbag at a time.

[Show Me the Wire]

Her time is almost up. Public announcement coming soon. One scumbag at a time.


Her biggest booster, lamboguy, will be disappointed if the above is true.

[Trotman]

And I think in the next few weeks Terry Jordan's name will be all over the place for the rockets he has been sending to the gate the last few years.

[WinterTriangle]

Her biggest booster, lamboguy, will be disappointed if the above is true.

I dunno anything about Beattie, or if it's true, and will wait for some kind of public announcement.

But lamboguy seems to have a certain kinda taste:
this game needs about 300 more michael gill's in it.


I think all of these accusatory discussions would go away if there were some attempt to keep stats on exactly what happens to a TB when they are too messed up to have a 2nd career.

(Why is it important to have a database chronicling their every move while they are racing (important to handicappers) but completely unimportant when they aren't???)


When horses like Valid Trick end up needing to be rescued from a slaughterhouse, from tracks like Penn National that have a "no slaughter" policy, there are some people who are going to want to know why:
http://www.yorkblog.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?search=valid+trick+rescued&IncludeBlogs=3

Valid Trick:
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChartPlus.cfm?BORP=P&STYLE=EQB&DAY=D&tid=PEN&dt=03/20/2008&ctry=USA&race=3

Not everyone believes that all horses go on to become show horses for some 14-year old girl, or that maybe the tatoos *wore* off. :rolleyes:

As an owner or trainer, I would not want something like this coming back on me. Esp. if I was truly on the up-and-up. And it can happen. Maybe it happen to Ms. Beattie. But surely there would be some incentive to protect oneself from this, even if one weren't particularly concerned about being seen as humane? Surely I would want to know if that nice 4-H lady is acutally a kill-buyer????


Do you think that racing will get any real respect as long as nobody can be bothered to keep and produce reliable records, like bills for humane euthanization/disposal, now that most tracks like Penn Nat. supposedly have anti-slaughter policies? Why have a policy if there is no way to show that horses aren't "disappeared", like by-products, for that last $200 bucks?

I believe the answer is no.:(

[lamboguy]

I dunno anything about Beattie, or if it's true, and will wait for some kind of public announcement.

But lamboguy seems to have a certain kinda taste:



I think all of these accusatory discussions would go away if there were some attempt to keep stats on exactly what happens to a TB when they are too messed up to have a 2nd career.

(Why is it important to have a database chronicling their every move while they are racing (important to handicappers) but completely unimportant when they aren't???)


When horses like Valid Trick end up needing to be rescued from a slaughterhouse, from tracks like Penn National that have a "no slaughter" policy, there are some people who are going to want to know why:
http://www.yorkblog.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?search=valid+trick+rescued&IncludeBlogs=3

Valid Trick:
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbPDFChartPlus.cfm?BORP=P&STYLE=EQB&DAY=D&tid=PEN&dt=03/20/2008&ctry=USA&race=3

Not everyone believes that all horses go on to become show horses for some 14-year old girl, or that maybe the tatoos *wore* off. :rolleyes:

As an owner or trainer, I would not want something like this coming back on me. Esp. if I was truly on the up-and-up. And it can happen. Maybe it happen to Ms. Beattie. But surely there would be some incentive to protect oneself from this, even if one weren't particularly concerned about being seen as humane? Surely I would want to know if that nice 4-H lady is acutally a kill-buyer????


Do you think that racing will get any real respect as long as nobody can be bothered to keep and produce reliable records, like bills for humane euthanization/disposal, now that most tracks like Penn Nat. supposedly have anti-slaughter policies? Why have a policy if there is no way to show that horses aren't "disappeared", like by-products, for that last $200 bucks?

I believe the answer is no.:(i am only human, i make lots of mistakes in my life. i realise that there are plenty of people out there alot smarter than i am or ever will be.

the road to heaven is always paved with good intentions, yet there are still curves in the road.

did i think at one time that mike gill was good for the game. yes i did. when he first came back he acted like a model citizen and then the curves in the road got to him.

do i like stephanie, sure i do. she wins races. if she is doing something wrong i won't like her.

i have always said that this game needs more accountability in it, the IRS is here because it keeps people in line to make sure they pay their taxes. if they weren't around no one would pay. people still try to beat the IRS, yet the IRS finds most of them. this is what is lacking in racing game today. it will not survive for to much longer without something similar to the IRS policing the sport top to bottom.

[6furlongs]

the road to heaven is always paved with good intentions


I think the saying goes :

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[joanied]

I think the best post is #26...use the link to read the article about the veterinarian...excellent and he holds no punches.

Most of the trainer names mentioned in this thread, I know nothing about...but seems to me each and every one needs to be banned.
No sense re-hashing what's already been said in these posts and in the one article from the veterinarian...
I beleive we'd see a huge drop, and maybe even an complete end, to using drugs if trainers and owners of horses testing postive were banned from every tack in America for a certain amount of time, based on what the postives are...starting with a 6 month total ban...can't run horses anywhere under another trainers name ect...all their horses would be sent back to the farm.
There cannot be any more of this slap on the wrist punishment...it's time for the industry to really get tough...and if that means fewer horses running, so be it...the powers in this industry, the ones with clout, the ones that can really do something are simply coloring the picture to make it look good, while they do just about nothing to solve this problem...all talk, no action...it's pathetic and criminal.

[lamboguy]

horse racing is a sport that you bet your money. either by ways of the mutual window's or ownership. the public must be protected. when a horse has a byer number that jumps up 5+10 points from a prior trainer, those people must be called in to explain how it was done. if a guy says he was lucky and repeated gets lucky then there is a problem

when some people have the privilage of betting their horses 1-, 20 + 30 seconds after the start there is also a problem.

[proximity]

Her time is almost up. Public announcement coming soon. One scumbag at a time.

this is interesting, coming on the heels of saturday night's big dog and pony show at pen where they dusted off fred lipkin and even brought mr quigley out from the casino to present ms beattie with a diamond watch, a trophy, pink roses,...... and word is the hbpa president is off to cd for the stephen foster...

[Fastracehorse]

do your self a favor and stop beleiving that nonsense about "super drugs"

stephanie and dave wells know how to train horses. she gets on every horse she has, she knows when the horse is off and goes to work on the problem.

they spot their horses perfectly, and they have 2 good people running the show. plus throw in the owners that just want to win and you are going to have good results.

in pennsylvania there is a ban on steroids, she has never tested positive for them. her one drug suspension has been for clembuterol to close to the race.

and beleive me that is a very inaccurate test. they can pick and choose who they suspent for that infration any day of the week.

if the racing game was full of stephanie beattie's the stands would be packed

Most of the high % trainers get nabbed; it's not that i don't like them, it's just that they get nabbed. There is a list of notables that gets longer for the repeat offender as well.

fffastt

[Beachbabe]

No mention of Rudy Rodriguez here ???
This guy makes Steph Beattie & Nick Canani look like Mother Theresa & Santa Claus

[lamboguy]

i think its great that they are catching all the cheaters. maybe someone is going to tell us what they are using to get their horses to go so it can be stopped all over.
i just had a horse today that ran fourth, got beat 3 lenghts for the win. i am not blaming better trainers for drugs. i am blaming myself for not giving my horse a gate work and not using lassix. i never use lassix first time out and have won plenty of times without it.

[Fastracehorse]

No mention of Rudy Rodriguez here ???
This guy makes Steph Beattie & Nick Canani look like Mother Theresa & Santa Claus
......................1rst time his barn as the fave..

fffastt

[big frank]

i think its great that they are catching all the cheaters. maybe someone is going to tell us what they are using to get their horses to go so it can be stopped all over.
i just had a horse today that ran fourth, got beat 3 lenghts for the win. i am not blaming better trainers for drugs. i am blaming myself for not giving my horse a gate work and not using lassix. i never use lassix first time out and have won plenty of times without it. are you really Michael Gill and you are not telling us ?????????

[Citation1947]

Delahoussaye told to pack up and move out. Also comments made from insiders on Beattie as well. Like I said, her time to face justice is coming.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/former-gill-trainer-delahoussaye-told-to-vacate-penn-national-stalls/

[Fastracehorse]

Delahoussaye told to pack up and move out. Also comments made from insiders on Beattie as well. Like I said, her time to face justice is coming.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/former-gill-trainer-delahoussaye-told-to-vacate-penn-national-stalls/

Good article, holy crap! One of the best I've read: Milkshakes and gambling RINGS.

fffastt

[lamboguy]

are you really Michael Gill and you are not telling us ?????????
what's the matter with you? don't you know i'm your cousin?

[trackrat59]

This thread is interesting. I know someone that uses Stephanie Beattie. He could care less about his horses, as long as he wins. He and Stephanie makea good pair, trust me. Another loser is Julio Cartagena. I think he's banned from some tracks.

Anyone who drugs a horse inhancing their ability to run faster then they are physically capable of running should lose their trainers license for good.

[lamboguy]

This thread is interesting. I know someone that uses Stephanie Beattie. He could care less about his horses, as long as he wins. He and Stephanie makea good pair, trust me. Another loser is Julio Cartagena. I think he's banned from some tracks.

Anyone who drugs a horse inhancing their ability to run faster then they are physically capable of running should lose their trainers license for good.
i agree with you, and my wife is involved in horserescue in the mid-atlantic. the efforts sure help.

[WinterTriangle]

Delahoussaye told to pack up and move out. Also comments made from insiders on Beattie as well. Like I said, her time to face justice is coming.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/former-gill-trainer-delahoussaye-told-to-vacate-penn-national-stalls/

Grand jury, state police, investigations.
Breakdowns where it takes a vet 10 min to get there, and an ambulance almost 20.
Beattie winning the election over Shea who ran on a "clean up the drugs" philosophy......and he lost to her.
Michael Gill, etc.

Place sounds like a nightmare, dunno why racing wants this black eye?

[CryingForTheHorses]

It frustrates me to no end trying to do the right thing for my horses and having to read this,There are several Calder trainers this year with averages out of this world,These same guys have never had these kind of averages..Makes me think the worst for them because you just cant beat them in races..Horses winning by 10, 12 lengths in cheap races..Jock never even hits them...I do hope they arent cheating but what does it matter,It isnt going to give me any more money even if I finished second..All I can do is try.

[proximity]

Beattie winning the election over Shea who ran on a "clean up the drugs" philosophy......and he lost to her.


this shows what kind of geniuses we're dealing with here. should the state really be giving slots and table games money to these people instead of maybe putting those dollars to better use?

and the fbi should have been investigating not just pen, but racing throughout the entire mid-atlantic region starting about 7-8 years ago. with 30-40 % super trainers and super owners (!!) popping up all over the place you didn't need to be sherlock holmes to see what was happening.

as for the paulick report comments, i felt some of the statements about frank quigley were kinda harsh. the guy was brought in for his knowledge of slots and table games (stuff that makes money) and it's encouraging to me to hear that he even ever goes on the backstretch at all.

[Niko]

It frustrates me to no end trying to do the right thing for my horses and having to read this,There are several Calder trainers this year with averages out of this world,These same guys have never had these kind of averages..Makes me think the worst for them because you just cant beat them in races..Horses winning by 10, 12 lengths in cheap races..Jock never even hits them...I do hope they arent cheating but what does it matter,It isnt going to give me any more money even if I finished second..All I can do is try.

Hey McSchell, I feel for you. You've been a great contributor to this board and it was fun watching you have some good success. (I have no idea how you're doing now because I stopped following Calder) The game needs more ambassadors of the game like yourself.

I'm glad it's getting more frustrating for trainers too because it's the owners and trainers who will have to clean up the game when they get fed up enough. Not enough people willing to stop betting.

I've been amazed at some performances the last couple years at the lower levels and its seems to be getting worse. Glad you brought it up also.

It's baseball all over again...

[lamboguy]

i just want to clear up something here. there is no such thing as "rocket fuel" that someone gives these horses and they take off. there is however things that help the horses breath better, and help them feel no pain. i have been hearing of stuff making it into this hemisphere called "snail venom". it works the same as epogen. it is untestable right now. other things that go on are highblocking, overuse of cortizone for tapping, shockwave therapy the day of the race.

30 years ago there used to be hundreds of guys like mcshell racing all over the continent keeping this game alive. he must be pretty strong to survive with all the big outfits and the guys out there that are professional cheaters that don't get caught. for what its worth, when i run the same type of horses that mcsnell runs i don't win either. i know how to win with a 2 yo first time out, but to run good horses against these guys for the big money in lower level claiming races is like fighting the alqaeda. i try everything like giving them time off, and bringing them back perfectly fit and i still get dusted. yet you see these guys winning with anything they put their hands on, and stringing 3 or 4 straight wins together. the bottom rungs of this game is very important, it is the backbone of the sport. the breakdown of the bottom partially contributes to the decay of the sport. bottom racing should be recognised as being the springboard for the game and should be policed alot better. instead of knocking guys like mcshell out of the game, they should bend over backwards to make the game more feasable for guys like him.

bringing back this sport is actually pretty easy, all you have to do is go back in time and see the game was years ago, and build on it.

[proximity]

at least mr mcschell doesn't keep his head buried in the sand like many of his mid-atlantic brethren.

i wish him and his horses the best.

[Trotman]

McSchell we both remember those long ago days when Windfields and a few others won everything and that was because they had the best bred stock, and you knew the horsemen like Pete McCann would always do what was best for the horse. You worked for Smithers so you came up the same way and although it's depressing to see this crap going on at least I know you can sleep at night and you're horses are good. Keep hammering away Tom and good luck this year. :ThmbUp:

[TheGhostOfOscarB]

Rudy Rodriguez

My theory is they unfroze all the old Oscar B. samples and gave them to Rudy.

[takeout]

What was Oscar B. using? Didn’t someone post it on here a long time ago?

[lamboguy]

these vets can shock horses 2 or 3 days before a race and put down that they did it a week before the race. shocking and tapping are no good for the poor horse in the long run, and i have no idea how you can police what the vets put down on a piece of paper. some will do anything for money, a shockwave treatment can cost as much as $300. all the vet did was invest in the machine and now they go to get their money back with interest. if the vet lives up to the rules, a trainer finds a vet that doesn't. when a horse improves immediately from one trainer to a new one, the new trainer must get called in to explain how he got this miraculas improvement on the horse. people that own horses try to get with these trainers, and they will tell the person that he has to many horses already and just doen't have any room for new ones. yet in the afternoon that trainer goes to the claimbox and drops the slip for 2 or 3 new horses to add to his barn.

another procedure that is being used today are hypobaric chambers, which also cost alot of money.

i am bringing these 2 things up because they did not exist 39 years ago when on any saturday at rockingham park there would be 30,000 people at the track with picnic baskets and coolers walking through the doors, and having a family type outing. not today though.

[delayjf]

i have no idea how you can police what the vets put down on a piece of paper.

All Vets are employees of the track - Don't give the trainer a choice.

[lamboguy]

All Vets are employees of the track - Don't give the trainer a choice.that's something new to me! maybe the track vets are, but i got about $10,000 a month in vet bills that i pay each and every month for horses in different racetracks all over the country

[delayjf]

My bust, what I meant to say was MAKE all vets employees of the track.

[lamboguy]

My bust, what I meant to say was MAKE all vets employees of the track.
not a bad idea! strong supervision of these quacks would help this game. i am beginning to learn that there are alot of smart people on this board that have better idea's than myself.

[westny]

these vets can shock horses 2 or 3 days before a race and put down that they did it a week before the race. shocking and tapping are no good for the poor horse in the long run, and i have no idea how you can police what the vets put down on a piece of paper. some will do anything for money, a shockwave treatment can cost as much as $300. all the vet did was invest in the machine and now they go to get their money back with interest. if the vet lives up to the rules, a trainer finds a vet that doesn't. when a horse improves immediately from one trainer to a new one, the new trainer must get called in to explain how he got this miraculas improvement on the horse. people that own horses try to get with these trainers, and they will tell the person that he has to many horses already and just doen't have any room for new ones. yet in the afternoon that trainer goes to the claimbox and drops the slip for 2 or 3 new horses to add to his barn.

another procedure that is being used today are hypobaric chambers, which also cost alot of money.

i am bringing these 2 things up because they did not exist 39 years ago when on any saturday at rockingham park there would be 30,000 people at the track with picnic baskets and coolers walking through the doors, and having a family type outing. not today though.

I spent a good amout of time at Rockingham Park in 2000-2002.

I was on a consulting ass't in NH, and got to know several regulars at RP...two men owned TB's in the 70's/early 80's.

They both told me, "you walk around the backstretch after a race and you'll see the discarded batteries" I was skeptical, but another told me the same thing.

So, batteries have morphed into shock wave machines and designer drugs...but the cheaters will always be around.

[Citation1947]

Interesting new developments. http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/wells-charged-with-domestic-violence-against-penn-national-trainer-beattie/

[proximity]

saw a beattie owner had one with john carlisle the other night at ct. (the horse did lose though)

makes one wonder if the owner's had a piece of carlisle's horses all along?

[Pell Mell]

Interesting new developments. http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/wells-charged-with-domestic-violence-against-penn-national-trainer-beattie/

I just clicked that link and my anti-virus went nuts.:faint:

[Pell Mell]

Interesting new developments. http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/wells-charged-with-domestic-violence-against-penn-national-trainer-beattie/

UPDATE! I got wiped out when I clicked that link. It attacked and disabled my anti-virus and disabled my restore function. I had to do a clean install of windows. Lost all my shit also. :( :mad:

I think it was Banker Fox virus.

[Citation1947]

UPDATE! I got wiped out when I clicked that link. It attacked and disabled my anti-virus and disabled my restore function. I had to do a clean install of windows. Lost all my shit also. :( :mad:

I think it was Banker Fox virus.


Sorry man! I was in the same boat as you sat night and sunday trying to fix it. I know of many others who were effected too. If you read Paulick's front page today, he apologies.

edit: also, I would delete the link if I could, but cant. Perhaps the mods can do it?]

PSS: You shouldn't have lost all your shit...its not that kind of virus.

[Citation1947]

UPDATE! I got wiped out when I clicked that link. It attacked and disabled my anti-virus and disabled my restore function. I had to do a clean install of windows. Lost all my shit also. :( :mad:

I think it was Banker Fox virus.


The name of the virus was Antivirus Soft...but it has other names as well. Wikipedia explains it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Antivirus_(malware)

You could have removed it without losing ANY saved stuff on your PC. I used this site to remove it completely(yes it was a bitch at first). http://www.2-spyware.com/remove-antivirus-soft.html

Basically all I did was log on through safe mode and run Roguekill, followed by Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and then SUPERAntiSpyware Free Edition. You can find many free programs at http://forums.cnet.com/

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/
and..
http://www.majorgeeks.com/

are good sites too to help remove virus

[PaceAdvantage]

I clicked on the link right after Pell Mell's first warning and I wasn't infected with anything...the box I was using at the time has NO active anti-virus or anti-spyware programs. I just ran malwarebytes on it again as a precaution and it found nothing...

Is it because I am using Google Chrome as my browser?

[Pell Mell]

The name of the virus was Antivirus Soft...but it has other names as well. Wikipedia explains it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Antivirus_(malware)

You could have removed it without losing ANY saved stuff on your PC. I used this site to remove it completely(yes it was a bitch at first). http://www.2-spyware.com/remove-antivirus-soft.html

Basically all I did was log on through safe mode and run Roguekill, followed by Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and then SUPERAntiSpyware Free Edition. You can find many free programs at http://forums.cnet.com/

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/
and..
http://www.majorgeeks.com/

are good sites too to help remove virus

Very good info and I might have done that also but there was a problem, I could no longer get on the internet. I also know for a fact it was Banker Fox virus. I was trying to stop it with a couple of programs but it was filling my screen with so much stuff and I couldn't get past it.
Actually, the only thing I lost was a couple years of PPs. I don't keep much in my computer anyway.
I was also told by some experts that even if removed by an anti-virus it is still somewhere in the computer and manages to surface again. Of course i don't know too much about this shit so I just did a new install.

[Citation1947]

Very good info and I might have done that also but there was a problem, I could no longer get on the internet. I also know for a fact it was Banker Fox virus. I was trying to stop it with a couple of programs but it was filling my screen with so much stuff and I couldn't get past it.
Actually, the only thing I lost was a couple years of PPs. I don't keep much in my computer anyway.
I was also told by some experts that even if removed by an anti-virus it is still somewhere in the computer and manages to surface again. Of course i don't know too much about this shit so I just did a new install.


Correct, it starts off with a Bankerfox.A pop up with random IP changes. But that is just a fake virus name that they want you to think has infected your computer so you'll buy their product in order to remove it. "There is no such threat as Banker.Fox.A and the alert is shown to scare you to buy Spyware Protect 2009." The real name of the virus is Antivirus Soft as I already pointed out.

You can read more about the fake dummy bankerfox.a here... http://hands-oncorp.com/2010/02/22/banker-fox-a-removal-instructions/


Also, anytime something like this happens, you CAN get on the internet through safe mode.

[Pell Mell]

Correct, it starts off with a Bankerfox.A pop up with random IP changes. But that is just a fake virus name that they want you to think has infected your computer so you'll buy their product in order to remove it. "There is no such threat as Banker.Fox.A and the alert is shown to scare you to buy Spyware Protect 2009." The real name of the virus is Antivirus Soft as I already pointed out.

You can read more about the fake dummy bankerfox.a here... http://hands-oncorp.com/2010/02/22/banker-fox-a-removal-instructions/


Also, anytime something like this happens, you CAN get on the internet through safe mode.

Glad you mentioned that because for some reason I couldn't get on the internet in safe mode. Some of my virus scanners wouldn't work in safe mode either. I don't know what the hell was going on but computers are a pain in the ass especially for real old people like me.
However, my wife was real proud of me because, not know shit about this stuff, I was able to remove and reinstall windows. It ain't easy for a dummy. :D

[Citation1947]

Glad you mentioned that because for some reason I couldn't get on the internet in safe mode. Some of my virus scanners wouldn't work in safe mode either. I don't know what the hell was going on but computers are a pain in the ass especially for real old people like me.
However, my wife was real proud of me because, not know shit about this stuff, I was able to remove and reinstall windows. It ain't easy for a dummy. :D


Sorry I should have mentioned you need to log in "Safe Mode with Networking"

[nijinski]

Curious ,does anyone know the cost of Hyperbaric Oxygen treatments ? I thought that was one of the therapies she uses.

[trackrat59]

She does use the chamber but I don't know the cost. A friend of mine has his horses with her.

[illinoisbred]

Curious ,does anyone know the cost of Hyperbaric Oxygen treatments ? I thought that was one of the therapies she uses.
$250.00 here in Illinois for one 2 1/2 hr. session. Recommended program is 6 treatments for $1,500.00.

[nijinski]

$250.00 here in Illinois for one 2 1/2 hr. session. Recommended program is 6 treatments for $1,500.00.

Thanks , assuming you have horses ,. Do you use the H.O.?

[nijinski]

She does use the chamber but I don't know the cost. A friend of mine has his horses with her.

Sounds like an edge to me.

[illinoisbred]

Thanks , assuming you have horses ,. Do you use the H.O.?
No, I do not own-just a hot topic here in Illinois. The ongoing Ingrid Mason thread discusses the Hyperbaric Chamber and it's known users at great length.

[Citation1947]

Delahoussaye told to pack up and move out. Also comments made from insiders on Beattie as well. Like I said, her time to face justice is coming.



I was wondering when they were finally gonna catch up with her.