Today's early college fb results

[cj]

Well, the SEC didn't look very good with South Carolina getting slaughtered by a mediocre Clemson team and Georgia losing at home to Georgia Tech. Two teams from the supposed weak ACC triumph over the SEC.

As for the Big 12, the Nebraska win over Colorado certainly had to help OU in the BCS standings, as did the Kansas win over Missouri. I would think UT's only chance now is an OSU win over OU which would probably put them straight into the BCS Title game.

[ceejay]

Or Baylor over TT ;)

[cj]

I never had a doubt TT would pull that game out. Baylor will be a team to be reckoned with the next few years though.

Florida looked decent and Alabama good but against an awful team. Obviously if Alabama wins the SEC they are in, and deservedly so, but I'm still not sure a Florida win puts them past OU and Texas.

Up to this point, all their "big" wins have turned out to be not so big. The top two in the SEC are obviously very good, but they just haven't beaten anyone. Their schedules just don't match up to OU and Texas.

All that said, OU will still need to win over OSU, and that is far from a done deal.

[cj]

Pretty exciting game in Stillwater.

No matter how many times they say it, the head to head win DOESN'T MATTER IN A 3 WAY TIE. You can't penalize OU because they clobbered Tech so badly.

OU crushed TT, TT beat Texas in a close game, and UT beat OU in a close game. Edge OU

Common opponents, OU has a bigger edge on the scoreboard, just like in the 3 way matchup. Edge OU

Quality wins:

TT, Texas and OSU
UT: OU, OSU, and Missouri (not so big after loss today)
OU: OSU, TT, TCU, Big East Champ Cincinnati (not really big, but not bad)

Edge: Push (Missouri loss hurt Texas)

Human polls, OU

Computer is the big question now. It is highly unlikely Texas did enough to keep themselves #2. The Nebraska win helps OU, the Missouri loss hurts Texas. The OU win on the road over OSU will give them a boost. The UT win over T A&M does little at all.

It is really hard to see any way OU doesn't make up the .08 in the BCS, no matter how many times Mack Brown cries head to head while ignoring he lost head to head to the other 1 loss team.

[rastajenk]

The Okies have scored about 250 points in November. That's tough to dismiss. Of the three, the Stoopers have done much more.

[ElKabong]

after all this back n forth talk, and watching 0u and TEXAS play all year long, if TEXAS played 0u again I am certain they'd beat 0u again. I'm very sure of it. No way 0u can stop our offense. They're no better tonight than they were in October.

and, we'd win by at least the same margin of 10 points, too.

As for the back n forth, TEXAS lost on the last play of the game of a 4 game strech that was tougher than any 4 game stretch I've seen in over 50 yrs of watching football. 0u's loss was to TEXAS on a neutral field by double digits, in a game UT physically dominated 0u the last 10 minutes of the game in the trenches.

I think 0u will get the nod but it's nice to hear Corso, Herbtreit, Luginbill emphatically say TEXAS should get the nod. Someone's paying attention. The voters? I doubt they will but we'll see.

[highnote]

Florida and Oklahoma have pulled away from the pack on my rating system. They're amazing close, though.

Florida 1100.3
Oklahoma 1099.2
Texas 1080.2
Penn St. 1077.9
Alabama 1075.4
USC 1074.2
Boise St. 1073.6
Ball St. 1072.6
Texas Tech 1068.9
Utah 1068.3
Ohio St. 1066.5
TCU 1065.4
Missouri 1053.9
Iowa 1053.1
Oregon 1047.2
Oklahoma St. 1046.1
Mississippi 1044.1
Boston Coll. 1042.2
BYU 1041.8
Georgia Tech 1040.8
Cincinnati 1040.4
Florida St. 1040.1
Georgia 1035.8
Nebraska 1035
Tulsa 1034.7
Rice 1033.9
Clemson 1033.2
Rutgers 1033.2
Houston 1030.2
West Virginia 1030.1
California 1029.5
Northwestern 1029.3
Michigan St. 1029
Pittsburgh 1027.7
Oregon St. 1027
Troy 1026
North Carolina 1025.5
Virginia Tech 1024.8
W. Michigan 1024.5
Arizona 1024.1
Wisconsin 1022.6
Kansas 1022
Nevada 1020.7
Southern Miss 1020.6
Air Force 1020.5
Navy 1018.5
N.C. State 1017.5
Connecticut 1016.4
East Carolina 1015.7
Miami (FL) 1015
South Carolina 1014.5
Wake Forest 1011.6
LSU 1011.4
Arkansas St. 1011.2
South Florida 1011.2
Buffalo 1010.7
Cent. Michigan 1010.7
Northern Illinois 1010.1
Bowling Green 1010
New Hampshire 1007.8
Tennessee 1005.7
Notre Dame 1005.2
Louisiana Tech 1004.1
Illinois 1002.3
Arizona St. 1002
Baylor 1001.6
Cal Poly 1001
Maryland 1000.8
Memphis 999.5
Purdue 999.4
Temple 999
Vanderbilt 998.7
Fresno St. 997.7
Gardner-Webb 997.2
Auburn 996.4
Colorado St. 995.8
UC Davis 995.6
Kentucky 995.4
North Dakota St. 995.4
Western Ill. 995.3
Sacramento St. 995.1
Delaware 994.4
Hawaii 994.4
McNeese St. 994.1
Virginia 993.8
Wofford 993.7
Louisville 993.3
Minnesota 992.9
William & Mary 992.4
Texas St. 992.1
Central Arkansas 992
Florida Atlantic 992
Sam Houston St. 991.4
Northern Arizona 991.2
Furman 990.7
Middle Tenn. St. 990.7
Stanford 990.7
Kansas St. 990.4
Southern Ill. 990.3
Richmond 989.8
Samford 989.6
Georgia Southern 989.1
James Madison 989.1
Northern Iowa 989.1
Massachusetts 988.9
Illinois St. 988.8
Virginia Military 988.4
Jacksonville St. 988.1
Nicholls St. 988.1
South Dakota St. 988.1
Villanova 988.1
Delaware St. 988
Appalachian St. 987.8
Towson 987.8
Alabama A&M 987.7
Norfolk St. 987.5
UTEP 987.1
Missouri St. 987
Hofstra 986.6
Northern Colorado 986.6
Rhode Island 986.6
Arkansas 986.1
Southern Utah 985.9
New Mexico 985.6
Grambling St. 985.3
Eastern Wash. 984.5
Weber St. 984.1
LA Lafayette 983.7
Maine 983.1
Youngstown St. 983.1
Citadel 983
Ohio 983
SE Missouri St. 982.6
Akron 982.3
San Jose St. 981.7
Alabama St. 980.7
SE Louisiana 980.7
Colorado 980.6
Morgan St. 980.6
Stephen F. Austin 980.5
Kent St. 980.4
Southern 980.3
Utah St. 980.2
Northwestern St. 980
Michigan 979.6
Eastern Illinois 979.4
Coastal Carolina 979.1
Northeastern 978.8
Portland St. 977.9
Montana St. 977.4
Florida Intl. 977
Army 976.9
Texas A&M 976.8
Mississippi St. 976.7
Charleston S. 975.7
Eastern Kentucky 975.5
Duke 975.3
S. Carolina St. 975.2
Texas Southern 975.2
Western Carolina 975
Idaho St. 974.5
Tenn-Martin 974.1
UNLV 973.6
UAB 973.5
UCF 972.1
Chattanooga 971.2
Tennessee Tech 971
UCLA 970.6
LA Monroe 970.2
Murray St. 969.7
Marshall 968.7
Toledo 968.2
Syracuse 965.5
Alcorn St. 965.1
Indiana St. 964.9
Wyoming 964
East. Michigan 963.6
West. Kentucky 958.4
Iowa St. 957.7
San Diego St. 952.1
Indiana 950.8
New Mexico St. 946.4
SMU 942.3
Miami (OH) 939.1
Washington 937
Tulane 936.4
Idaho 931.9
Washington St. 923.6
North Texas 923

[dav4463]

Pretty exciting game in Stillwater.

No matter how many times they say it, the head to head win DOESN'T MATTER IN A 3 WAY TIE. You can't penalize OU because they clobbered Tech so badly.

OU crushed TT, TT beat Texas in a close game, and UT beat OU in a close game. Edge OU

Common opponents, OU has a bigger edge on the scoreboard, just like in the 3 way matchup. Edge OU

Quality wins:

TT, Texas and OSU
UT: OU, OSU, and Missouri (not so big after loss today)
OU: OSU, TT, TCU, Big East Champ Cincinnati (not really big, but not bad)

Edge: Push (Missouri loss hurt Texas)

Human polls, OU

Computer is the big question now. It is highly unlikely Texas did enough to keep themselves #2. The Nebraska win helps OU, the Missouri loss hurts Texas. The OU win on the road over OSU will give them a boost. The UT win over T A&M does little at all.

It is really hard to see any way OU doesn't make up the .08 in the BCS, no matter how many times Mack Brown cries head to head while ignoring he lost head to head to the other 1 loss team.


OU tends to run the score up on teams when they can. UT doesn't play that way. They could easily have put up 70 or 80 on A&M.


Tech beat Texas
OU beat Tech
Texas beat OU

The only fair way to decide is "rock, paper, scissors"! They all have a legitimate claim to the division title and a chance to play in the Big 12 championship. It isn't fair to Tech to drop them so low in the rankings because of one bad game and put Texas in over them. It isn't fair to OU to put Tech over them and it won't happen because Tech gets no respect in the polls. It isn't fair to Texas to put OU in over Texas.

[highnote]

I'm going to go with my ratings system and pick Florida to beat Alabama. I hope it's a great game. I know I'll be in front of the TV next Saturday at 4pm.

[sammy the sage]

""Their schedules just don't match up to OU and Texas.""

REALLY....WHO has ANY-ONE in that conference beaten...OUTSIDE of TCU/Cincy by OU... :rolleyes:

yeah..thought so...WOW :eek:

This sounds like the Big 10 REASONING in 06...

Fla./Ala./Usc...PLAY DEFENSE....which WINS most of the time...in BIG games!

we've had this discussion before...name me the WEAKER defense team WINNING the Nat.l title game in the last 23 years???

Again...thought so...only tex/fla06....rest of the time the BETTER DEFENSE team won.

MY money will be were my mouth is come January...

[cj]

OU tends to run the score up on teams when they can. UT doesn't play that way. They could easily have put up 70 or 80 on A&M.


Tech beat Texas
OU beat Tech
Texas beat OU


I agree it not fair to anyone. That said, OU does not run up the score. It simply isn't true.

I'm not so sure Texas and OU don't have good defenses. It isn't like anyone else has stopped their offenses either.

[cj]

""Their schedules just don't match up to OU and Texas.""

REALLY....WHO has ANY-ONE in that conference beaten...OUTSIDE of TCU/Cincy by OU... :rolleyes:

yeah..thought so...WOW :eek:



Texas beat Rice, who is better than anyone Alabama or Florida beat out of conference. The big difference is in conference, where the Big 12 is much stronger than the SEC. Outside the top 2, there were two OK teams in Georgia and Mississippi, and a bunch of bad teams. The ACC kicked the SEC's ass yesterday. That says a lot.

[rrbauer]

Well, the SEC didn't look very good with South Carolina getting slaughtered by a mediocre Clemson team and Georgia losing at home to Georgia Tech. Two teams from the supposed weak ACC triumph over the SEC.



Neither of those results was a surprise. ACC teams have been beating SEC teams all year. Spurrier's still trying to figure out who should play QB (and the season is over) and offensive mistakes killed them. Georgia has a good dropback QB who will go high in the draft and a strong running back but they're very mistake prone and give up lots of big plays. And, Johnson's offense is still being tweaked for GT personnel.


As an aside, don't know if you watched Oregon St - Oregon, or not, but after seeing that game, how did Oregon St beat USC? Oregon just ran over, around and through them. Finally, Florida needs a healthy Harvin for the Bama game. He's worth a couple scores in my book.

[cj]

I saw some of that game. I think Oregon St just happened to play the game of their life against the Trojans. The looked like the team that was rolled by Penn St.

Those games were not a surprise to me, but maybe to those proclaiming the SEC as some super conference this year. It is the big 2 then nothing.

[rrbauer]

we've had this discussion before...name me the WEAKER defense team WINNING the Nat.l title game in the last 23 years???




Tell you what, you list the TWENTY-THREE title games that you allude to and then I'll go to work on the project.

[cj]

So, the coaches poll is out, and somehow Texas passed Florida. Yes, apparently crushing a ranked team on the road is not nearly impressive as crushing a terrible team at home.

Oklahoma, beating a very good OSU team on the road pretty convincingly, lost two first place votes. One went to Alabama, the other to Texas Tech...huh!? Someone that previously voted for OU #1 changed their vote to a Texas Tech team that OU just beat by like 100. The other decided that Alabama was so impressive in rolling hapless Auburn that it superseded OU's road win against a top 15 team. Great way to decide the title. Why do I think the TT vote was Mack Brown?

[sammy the sage]

Wow...Rice...you SERIOUS...FSU/MIAMI would be 10 pt fav.s over them :lol: :D

Oh...RRB...try reading that again...the word LAST comes to mind...

or make it easier...just do it from when-ever this crappy BCS stuff started...that should be clear enough! ;)

[rrbauer]

Oh...RRB...try reading that again...the word LAST comes to mind...

or make it easier...just do it from when-ever this crappy BCS stuff started...that should be clear enough! ;)

Look Pal, you're the one that came wading in with the last 23 years' worth of title games as your baseline. Since I'm not sure what "title" games you're talking about (talking being the operative word)....are there more than 23?...and since you're so positive about your assertion then I figured you would have them in a spreadsheet all worked up and ready to dump them on anyone that challenged you. Instead it looks to me like you're running on swamp gas.

[sammy the sage]

^^^^^^

you're right....I'm spreading swamp gas....OVER....the manure spread around... :rolleyes:

certainly NOT gonna do the work for those dispensing it either...wager's take care of that little problem.. ;)

[ElKabong]

So, the coaches poll is out, and somehow Texas passed Florida. Yes, apparently crushing a ranked team on the road is not nearly impressive as crushing a terrible team at home.



For the past two weeks, Craig James has said the coaches poll today "would produce interesting results". Today's the first time the coaches poll has the coaches voting "on record", for all to see.

He intimated Bob Stoops brother/ freinds/ whatever (even Pinkel, who doesn't want another beatdown from the Longhorns) have ranked TEXAS low, very low, to boost the sooners rankings. And sure enough, Craig is right. Some coaches had to rank TEXAS 3rd or 4th instead of whatver they had them before.

It's obvious some shit has gone on in the coaches poll since the Tech win over TEXAS....You don't jump Florida with a win over anm @ home....You do, when coaches have to attach their name to their votes tho.

Just one link on this...

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/11128258

There is a reason most fans trust a con man more than the BCS. At least one-third of the process is transparent as fog.

What was to keep, for example, a coaching friend of Mack Brown's from voting the Longhorns No. 1 and Oklahoma 10th on Sunday? That alone should be considered outrageous. What if a coaching buddy of Bob Stoops ranked Texas 25th?

Missouri's Gary Pinkel has a small hand in deciding who he wants to face in the Big 12 title game. The Tigers already have clinched the North Division. A three-way tie in the South would go to the highest-ranked BCS team.

[cj]

I didn't think today's coaches' vote was made public. I thought it was only the final one.

[sammy the sage]

CJ is CORRECT....only the FINAL one is made public...NEXT week!

the other was SHEER conjucture and speculation for the most part!

Much like who the best team is...ain't IT FUN :bang:

[rrbauer]

2008 NCAA Football Rankings - Week 14 (Nov. 30)The USA TODAY Coaches' Top 25 college football coaches' poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking.
USA Today Coaches' Poll
RANK TEAM RECORD PTS PVS
1. Alabama (58) 12-0 1521 1
2. Oklahoma (2) 11-1 1397 2
3. Texas 11-1 1396 4
4. Florida (1) 11-1 1385 3
5. USC 10-1 1298 5
6. Penn State 11-1 1176 6
7. Utah 12-0 1153 7
8. Texas Tech 11-1 1116 8
9. Boise State 12-0 1044 9
10. Ohio State 10-2 999 10
11. TCU 10-2 836 14
12. Cincinnati 10-2 770 16
13. Ball State 12-0 765 15
14. Oregon 9-3 658 18
15. Oklahoma State 9-3 613 12
16. Georgia Tech 9-3 590 23
17. Missouri 9-3 470 11
18. Brigham Young 10-2 461 19
19. Georgia 9-3 440 13
20. Boston College 9-3 435 22
21. Michigan State 9-3 414 21
22. Northwestern 9-3 333 20
23. Pittsburgh 8-3 154 NR
24. Oregon State 8-4 127 17
25. Mississippi 8-4 126 NR


The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking.
AP Top 25
RANK TEAM RECORD PTS PVS
1. Alabama (62) 12-0 1620 1
2. Florida (3) 11-1 1516 2
3. Texas 11-1 1488 4
4. Oklahoma 11-1 1480 3
5. USC 10-1 1355 5
6. Penn State 11-1 1257 6
7. Utah 12-0 1216 8
8. Texas Tech 11-1 1197 7
9. Boise State 12-0 1103 9
10. Ohio State 10-2 1069 10
11. TCU 10-2 885 14
12. Ball State 12-0 834 15
13. Cincinnati 10-2 824 16
14. Oklahoma State 9-3 798 11
15. Georgia Tech 9-3 708 18
16. Oregon 9-3 630 19
17. Georgia 9-3 495 13
18. Boston College 9-3 482 20
19. Missouri 9-3 479 12
20. Brigham Young 10-2 385 20
21. Michigan State 9-3 312 22
22. Mississippi 8-4 280 25
23. Pittsburgh 8-3 241 NR
24. Northwestern 9-3 190 24
25. Oregon State 8-4 122 17

[melman]

Penn State's Joe Paterno has for many years now refused to vote in the coaches poll. He also advanced many years back the idea of an 8 team playoff system for a real national championship.

[cj]

Bob Stoops also has turned down the chance to vote the last few years.

[highnote]

Florida is the favorite on Matchbook.com at 2.3-1

Oklahoma is second choice at 2.4-1

Texas Tech is third choice at 5-1.

and

Alabama is fourth choice 7.4-1.