View Full Version : Obama Postpones Promise of Relief to the Poor through Tax Increases to the Rich
boxcar
11-25-2008, 12:50 PM
Gessh...just when I was gettin' all geared up to paying higher taxes -- just when I was wrappin' my brain around the profound wisdom of the Robin Hood Mentality of taxing the Rich and giving the spoils thereof to the Poor -- just when I was getting ready to pound my chest and boast of my great Patriotism -- this bomb was dropped on me this morning:
WASHINGTON – An economic crisis, rising joblessness and a credit squeeze can make a president-elect refine his words. Today's word is "repeal." During his presidential campaign, Barack Obama promised to repeal President George W. Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy ahead of their scheduled expiration in 2011.
It was part of how Obama would pay for an overall net tax cut aimed at low- and middle-income taxpayers, and an effort to bring what he called "fairness" to the tax system.
No one is talking tax hikes now.
Over the weekend, Obama said he has charged his new economic team with devising a plan that would create or preserve 2.5 million jobs over two years. He said the plan would include broad spending plans as well as the middle- and low-income tax cuts he described during the campaign.
Aides later said the plan would not include any of the tax increases Obama, as a candidate, had said he would impose on taxpayers who make more than $250,000.
I like the choice of words in the first paragraph -- "can make a president-elect refine his words." Refine!? The airhead who wrote this piece didn't even have the good sense to way "refine his plan". But I digress...
I have to think this err.."refinement of words" isn't going to sit well with the far left either.
For the rest of the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fact_check_obama_taxes
This news is really going to ruin my Thanksgiving. I was so looking forward to thanking Obama for his compassion for the Poor and his wisdom in socking it to the Rich.
Boxcar
chickenhead
11-25-2008, 01:17 PM
a retiree with $250K a year income? Well done boxcar! You and Lefty should give seminars.
ArlJim78
11-25-2008, 01:20 PM
how many times did we hear about the Bush tax cuts that benefitted the rich. over and over. all the people that believed that hogwash and voted for this fraud, let's hear from you now. you were duped, you drank the soak-the-rich kool-aid. you were like Charlie Brown attempting to kick the football with Lucy holding and believeing that this time she wouldn't pull the ball away. sorry.
it proves that his idea to repeal the Bush tax cuts would be detrimental to the economy, which is what we all said right along.
DeanT
11-25-2008, 01:45 PM
I think you'll have a centrist president. During the campaign I was wondering how a guy could possibly think of raising taxes in a downturn a la Hoover, unless he was a wacko. This proves Obama is no wacko.
simply , some , most maybe never get it...
any gvt moves , stupid as they are must always be counter cyclical.
i wouldn't think i would need to lay that out on this board of all places.
:(
chickenhead
11-25-2008, 02:34 PM
you were duped. you were like Charlie Brown attempting to kick the football with Lucy holding and believeing that this time she wouldn't pull the ball away. sorry.
It warms my heart to hear such concern of the right on this board for the feelings of the middle and the left. Proof Obama truly has brought this country together.
I know the left kept insisiting throughout: "Obamas a socialist, Obamas a socialist, yay!"...but the right saw things better, you kept trying to warn them "He's a moderate, he's a moderate!", but alas, they would not listen.
They will have a hard time dealing with apparently being so wrong, but I feel it is very good of you guys to try to help them with that.
Let the healing begin, I say.
Everyone will see a tax increase within a year. Bet on it. Bookmark this thread.
I gar-en-damn-tee it.
ArlJim78
11-25-2008, 03:48 PM
It warms my heart to hear such concern of the right on this board for the feelings of the middle and the left. Proof Obama truly has brought this country together.
I know the left kept insisiting throughout: "Obamas a socialist, Obamas a socialist, yay!"...but the right saw things better, you kept trying to warn them "He's a moderate, he's a moderate!", but alas, they would not listen.
They will have a hard time dealing with apparently being so wrong, but I feel it is very good of you guys to try to help them with that.
Let the healing begin, I say.
the healing won't begin until people understand how they were duped. why they were lied to. they were told as recently as a month ago about the bad bad Bush tax cuts for the wealthy that would be repealed immediately. now we're told that we need to keep them in place. you call that being a moderate? At best I call it deception in order to get elected, at worst it was just plain ignorance.
JustRalph
11-25-2008, 03:51 PM
healing? That's a laugh. If he signs FOCA and all the catholic hospitals close........ you are going to be in for some "lack of healing" that's for sure.
The Catholic Bishops I don't think are screwing around. This could get interesting.
Taxes will be a babyshit issue if 20% of the Hospitals (mostly in lower end neighborhoods) in the country close down.
delayjf
11-25-2008, 03:58 PM
I can't believe this FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH :mad: OH THE HORROR.
Everyone will see a tax increase within a year. Bet on it. Bookmark this thread.
I gar-en-damn-tee it.
Well, you are correct, but do you and others on here realize what entity pays for unemployment when people are layed off?
If so , do you realize that as the rate of that goes up that most STATES have to keep in balance , so the taxes have to go up on employers as the unemployed rates rise.
Now, we could get rid of unemployment benefits or just have Uncle Sammy send your and my future borrowed money to the states with the highest rates to bail their budgets out or maybe bama will wise up and tax the Catholic church ,or maybe someone will be paying taxes in the future on benefits we take today?
Well, which do y'all choose?
I can't believe this FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH :mad: OH THE HORROR.
the horror from the last 10-12 years is only starting.
go lookup the ant and the grasshopper, even a 6 year old could see it coming.
chickenhead
11-25-2008, 04:11 PM
hey, is this not a great country or what? A nation full of crack pots on all sides, and yet we get to drive the worldwide bus (even if we do drive it into the ditch once in awhile). Just imagine how f'ed up all the other countries must be to go along with barely a grumble.
This weekend, and maybe the next, and a year from now, I predict I'll be out at Point Reyes (at Tony's, maybe), eating plates of barbequed oysters and Crab Louie's as big as my head, sipping on an Anchor Steam, looking out at Tomales Bay, with my girl next to me, thinking how great life is. And that goes for whatever Obama decides to do between now and then.
Row row row your boat
gently down the stream
Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
Life is but a dream
Happy Thanksgiving
LottaKash
11-25-2008, 04:29 PM
. Proof Obama truly has brought this country together.
Let the healing begin, I say.
"Change hath Cometh".............:jump: ...... Y'all........:eek:
Maybe that is why the most popular movies today are CARTOONS....:jump:
All the best actors are in D.C....:jump:
boxcar
11-25-2008, 11:13 PM
It warms my heart to hear such concern of the right on this board for the feelings of the middle and the left. Proof Obama truly has brought this country together.
I know the left kept insisiting throughout: "Obamas a socialist, Obamas a socialist, yay!"...but the right saw things better, you kept trying to warn them "He's a moderate, he's a moderate!", but alas, they would not listen.
They will have a hard time dealing with apparently being so wrong, but I feel it is very good of you guys to try to help them with that.
Let the healing begin, I say.
Surely you jest! The guy is a crackpot/head and as clueless as they come. This is the whackjob who believes that he can get the economy to "bubble up" from the bottom! (From the bottom! Do you understand what this means?) Yeah, he has changed course alright -- but that wasn't his doing. Someone probably caught him in a straight moment and explained the economic facts of life to him. Many of us on this forum ridiculed his stupid, hair-brained tax-the-rich scheme months ago. How nice of the President Elect to finally catch the train and climb aboard. If he's this slow on the uptake with such an obvious, no-brainer issue, what's going to happen when he faces tougher challenges?
Boxcar
Policy issues aside…if that’s possible: :D
I don’t know; maybe it was just the fact that he spoke in complete sentences and looked people in the eye that caught me off-guard; but I found him far more impressive then I ever dreamed the last two days.
I admit; I set the bar very low as I didn’t vote for the either offending party, but just to hear a man talk with clarity and not hanging your head in embarrassment was a welcome change. :ThmbUp:
chickenhead
11-25-2008, 11:28 PM
If he's this slow on the uptake with such an obvious, no-brainer issue, what's going to happen when he faces tougher challenges?
I have no idea, we'll just have to keep our fingers crossed. What I do know, is that you're off my Christmas Card list for the year. No one calls me Surely. ;)
rastajenk
11-25-2008, 11:38 PM
Dan, Dan, Dan....
Haven't you learned? Talk is cheap.
riskman
11-26-2008, 01:18 AM
Then we have the outgoing "DECIDER"----the most important decisions being made on the basis of one man's "gut," a gut that proved so wrong so often. GWB's contempt for evidence, scorn for intellect and 'book learnin', and the relentless war on science itself is finally coming to an end. The outgoing administration is mind-boggling, a parade of incompetence, malice and dishonesty. Obama may be a rookie but I don't beleive he will be playing dress-up in flight suits, strutting and posing and showing his desperate insecurity as a driver of American foreign policy.No more giggles and shoulder shakes, and nicknames and talking to us like we're a nation of fourth-graders.
The Judge
11-26-2008, 06:34 AM
He beat Hillary then McCain how slow could he be? Two Years ago he wasn't even known by most Americans and now he is President.
sammy the sage
11-26-2008, 07:28 AM
Give me an EXAMPLE of any politictian WHO never changed course...AT any level...from town hall to capital hill...
PLEASE....ya I thought so...
I would go further about no-brains, narrrow minded view points, slow-on-the-uptake, ect...
Why it would be like SHOOTING fish in a barrel ;)
But then SOME poster's MIGHT SEE themselve's in a MIRROR!
and that SIGHT would be :faint: :eek:
Of course this will make OTHER poster's laugh... :lol: :D
JustRalph
11-26-2008, 07:49 AM
Policy issues aside…if that’s possible: :D
I don’t know; maybe it was just the fact that he spoke in complete sentences and looked people in the eye that caught me off-guard; but I found him far more impressive then I ever dreamed the last two days.
I admit; I set the bar very low as I didn’t vote for the either offending party, but just to hear a man talk with clarity and not hanging your head in embarrassment was a welcome change. :ThmbUp:
Dan, those guys make the best car salesman too........
JustRalph
11-26-2008, 07:51 AM
Then we have the outgoing "DECIDER"----the most important decisions being made on the basis of one man's "gut," a gut that proved so wrong so often. GWB's contempt for evidence, scorn for intellect and 'book learnin', and the relentless war on science itself is finally coming to an end. The outgoing administration is mind-boggling, a parade of incompetence, malice and dishonesty. Obama may be a rookie but I don't beleive he will be playing dress-up in flight suits, strutting and posing and showing his desperate insecurity as a driver of American foreign policy.No more giggles and shoulder shakes, and nicknames and talking to us like we're a nation of fourth-graders.
Just think, in a few short weeks you can enter treatment for BDS....... it won't be a fashionable malady anymore and you can bury it.............
He beat Hillary then McCain how slow could he be? Two Years ago he wasn't even known by most Americans and now he is President.
Which proves exactly why our country has gone off the deep end in electing this guy. We no longer have any decent choices on either side. Clinton was not well known either............ nor was GWBush...........this has been going on for a long time.
The media is more responsible for Obama though............ signed sealed and delivered over two years ago............
Dan, those guys make the best car salesman too........
Very true Ralph.
And still no one knows him.
But they are starting to find out! :D
YES, we can!
MAYBE we can.
NO we won't.
I uh, uh, I, uh, uh, ih, um, ih,
It was Bush's fault!
NEXT! :bang:
ArlJim78
11-26-2008, 11:05 AM
Give me an EXAMPLE of any politictian WHO never changed course...AT any level...from town hall to capital hill...
PLEASE....ya I thought so...
he's changing course only weeks after the election before even taking office?
and he's changing course on a populist theme (soak the rich) that was crucial to getting him elected.
let me spell it out for you, he knew that if elected he wasn't going to repeal those tax cuts immediately, even though he said it over and over.
I'm fine with it, but people that voted for all this hope and change should feel duped. it's nothing but Clinton retreads and most of the Bush policies.
boxcar
11-26-2008, 11:09 AM
He beat Hillary then McCain how slow could he be? Two Years ago he wasn't even known by most Americans and now he is President.
As slow as molasses moving up Mt. Kilimanjaro in the dead of winter!
This emperor wears no clothes. All the power (brains and money) is behind the scenes. He's merely storefront dressing.
Boxcar
delayjf
11-26-2008, 12:04 PM
I can't wait to read what those on the daily kos have to say about this
boxcar
11-26-2008, 01:20 PM
I can't wait to read what those on the daily kos have to say about this
Yeah, keep us posted, will ya? I mean...here's Obama abandoning the Poor in their darkest hour -- during their deepest need. They won't be getting any bailout money, nor will they be receiving any welfare payments (disguised as tax rebates, tax refunds, etc.). So, it seems to me that, with Obama finally seeing the light, he's admitting that the Poor can only be helped in the Good Times. But during the Bad Times, they just have to suck it up. Socialism is great, isn't it!?
Boxcar
LottaKash
11-26-2008, 01:28 PM
[QUOTE=The Judge] He beat Hillary then McCain how slow could he be? Two Years ago he wasn't even known by most Americans and now he is President. [QUOTE]
That is the SCARY part, it's almost "Supernatural"......:eek: .... almost like the fulfillment of some sort of predestination....:eek: .....And, I still wonder about that birth certificate issue, as it has never been cleared up, to my way of thinking...:eek: ......Funny to think of it, in this way, isn't it ?....:D
best,
rastajenk
11-26-2008, 01:55 PM
Are you sayin' he's from outer space?
http://www.jeffbots.com/gort.jpg
Floyd
11-26-2008, 02:34 PM
"To Serve Man."
It's a COOK BOOK!!!
LottaKash
11-26-2008, 02:40 PM
Are you sayin' he's from outer space?
http://www.jeffbots.com/gort.jpg
KLATU BARATA NIKTO.........:jump: This means NYES
yuse guys , always with the gloom and doom...
That don't look like no Jesus to me.
What would be produced as a birth certificate anway?
I can't believe with all the informed in the know biblers here that they have not seen the lite yet.
now the anti , of course he had a cert.
sammy the sage
11-26-2008, 03:13 PM
"" he's changing course on a populist theme""
Yet, he's DOING EXACTLY...what YOU wanted...from your OWN party!!! :lol:
now...you're WHINING cause...perhaps he's smarter than you gave him credit for!!! :D
You guys are HILARIOUS :p
LottaKash
11-26-2008, 05:08 PM
yuse guys , always with the gloom and doom...That don't look like no Jesus to me. .
HaHa, who mentioned Jesus ?....you did....
Hey you gotta take a laugh, I did qualify how funny it would be to just consider this, didn't I ?.....I am not that deranged, yet.....:jump:
You have to admit it though, if one were to ponder on that level, it is a wee-bit mysterious, about oSama...."the mighty changer".........
best,
ArlJim78
11-26-2008, 05:26 PM
"" he's changing course on a populist theme""
Yet, he's DOING EXACTLY...what YOU wanted...from your OWN party!!! :lol:
now...you're WHINING cause...perhaps he's smarter than you gave him credit for!!! :D
You guys are HILARIOUS :p
again, let me repeat because you don't seem to be listening. YOU people were duped because you believed what he said just a few weeks ago. that doesn't make him smarter, it makes him a fraud. thats all. its makes him smarter than the people who voted for him which isn't saying a lot. you all voted for a guy that just figured out that a tax increase right now would be horrible.
if you people didn't care about the Bush tax cuts for the rich, why not vote for Bush, or McCain. McCain was honest and said that he wouldn't repeal the tax cuts.
I just love to see all the back-tracking thats going on. all of the evil policies of the largely despised Bushitler administration, ARE REMAINING IN PLACE!:lol: And this is the change we've been waiting for?:D
sammy the sage
11-26-2008, 06:22 PM
""YOU people were duped""
I wasn't duped...I voted for neither...and stated so prior to...
the Jim Roger's video is actually a very accurate portrayal of my thought's...posted here previously as well...
sammy the sage
11-26-2008, 06:23 PM
""despised Bushitler administration'''
freudian slip thar Jim... :lol: :D
Boris
11-26-2008, 08:32 PM
He beat Hillary then McCain how slow could he be? Two Years ago he wasn't even known by most Americans and now he is President.
He is President? Really? Time to check my gas gauge and mortgage statement.
Steve 'StatMan'
11-26-2008, 08:54 PM
Maybe he can appear and do an act in Rosie's Variety Show!
Soft shoe time!
A song, a dance, some clever high finance.
Then digs, deep down, for money from our pants.
Sailwolf
11-27-2008, 03:41 AM
As slow as molasses moving up Mt. Kilimanjaro in the dead of winter!
This emperor wears no clothes. All the power (brains and money) is behind the scenes. He's merely storefront dressing.
Boxcar
At least an improvement over McCain.
Mike Bloomberg for president:jump:
boxcar
11-27-2008, 07:29 AM
At least an improvement over McCain.
Mike Bloomberg for president:jump:
Only to people who consider the absence of brainwave activity to be better.
Boxcar
JustRalph
11-27-2008, 05:28 PM
OBama seems to be stirring up the Left............by postponing making good on his promises
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