ads in DRF and American Turf Monthly

[dav4463]

If I put an ad in DRF touting my "new super-secret method" that guarantees profits at the track and offered it for only $20 or $30, do you think I would make any money? :)


I saw one in American Turf Monthly where you buy something for $49 and you get this "proof book" that also gives you credit towards a $298 method that guarantees that you will win almost every race you play.

Do they make money with these ads?

[Pace Cap'n]

If the ad repeats for any length of time, then the answer is "Yes".

[LottaKash]

Sounds like a JJ Tuttle plan........He wins every race too....:jump:

[thruncy]

...The Harvard Concentric Computer (ATM's* circular slide rule that went 1 for 45. The "1" paid $4.60. Robert Elias's "Calcumeter(?)" "The strength of a Hercules; the wisdom of a Socrates." (Available for $100 & $20; resp.) Totally worthless. *ATM gave me a refund for this one.

[DanG]

Didn’t most of us buy these things as kids? I know I did at around 8 or 9yo.
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[Tom]

ALL handicapping books in one edition!
Hell, ALL BOOKS in one edition!

[Donnie]

Hey Dav--
If you are interested in advertising in either, be sure to get their publication numbers. I, personally, would be interested in how many copies go to press every day/month. Cause then you need to take a very slight fraction of that for an anticipated response. Think of how many DRF's you see left at the track everyday, not to mention how many of their subscribers now have gone electronic....

[saevena]

The best, most successful handicapper I've ever known (and I've met a lot of handicappers) thought he was doing a service to handicappers and placed about a half page ad (not in the classifieds) in the Racing Form several months ago, offering a FREE (it is/was FREE and he had nothing to sell), unedited manuscript on handicapping that he had written, and he received about 8 or 9 responses. The response resulted in his conclusion that there aren't enough serious handicappers out there to warrant writing a serious work on handicapping.

[Tom Barrister]

The best, most successful handicapper I've ever known (and I've met a lot of handicappers) thought he was doing a service to handicappers and placed about a half page ad (not in the classifieds) in the Racing Form several months ago, offering a FREE (it is/was FREE and he had nothing to sell), unedited manuscript on handicapping that he had written, and he received about 8 or 9 responses. The response resulted in his conclusion that there aren't enough serious handicappers out there to warrant writing a serious work on handicapping.

The problem is that everybody is writing a handicapping book, and most of them are junk. The good ones get lost in the shuffle.

To sell a handicapping book nowadays, you need endorsements or good marketing. Get a positive forward/reference from such James Quinn or Andy Beyer, or put the DRF Press behind you, and your book will sell.

[John]

The best, most successful handicapper I've ever known (and I've met a lot of handicappers) thought he was doing a service to handicappers and placed about a half page ad (not in the classifieds) in the Racing Form several months ago, offering a FREE (it is/was FREE and he had nothing to sell), unedited manuscript on handicapping that he had written, and he received about 8 or 9 responses. The response resulted in his conclusion that there aren't enough serious handicappers out there to warrant writing a serious work on handicapping.


Saevena, get that man to post here. He will get a thousand members requesting his manuscript.

:) :) :)

[saevena]

John:

I did but it was quickly removed and I was advised that my posting had to be "approved." I never figured out how to get it "approved."

[saevena]

John:

I posted info. regarding the availability of the manuscript, but, as noted above, the posting was removed.

[raybo]

John:

I did but it was quickly removed and I was advised that my posting had to be "approved." I never figured out how to get it "approved."

Hmmm. Must be a PA policy requiring one to get prior approval from PA before posting it. If you still have the info contact PA and ask to get it approved. Surely a link to the info would be approved almost immediately, if not, I will start scratching my head and wondering, also.

[John]

Hmmm. Must be a PA policy requiring one to get prior approval from PA before posting it. If you still have the info contact PA and ask to get it approved. Surely a link to the info would be approved almost immediately, if not, I will start scratching my head and wondering, also.



ME TOO.

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Since the information in question is (or, at least, was) being offered free, and not for commercial sale, I don't see a problem.

[PaceAdvantage]

The only reason the info or link would have been removed is if there was some commercial nature to the thing.

Perhaps a mistake was made on my end. These things happen (although not very often :lol: ). Email me the info/link or private message it to me, and I'll review it again....

[John]

The only reason the info or link would have been removed is if there was some commercial nature to the thing.

Perhaps a mistake was made on my end. These things happen (although not very often :lol: ). Email me the info/link or private message it to me, and I'll review it again....


Saevena, above is your answer ....

[dav4463]

Hey Dav--
If you are interested in advertising in either, be sure to get their publication numbers. I, personally, would be interested in how many copies go to press every day/month. Cause then you need to take a very slight fraction of that for an anticipated response. Think of how many DRF's you see left at the track everyday, not to mention how many of their subscribers now have gone electronic....

I wasn't planning to advertise. I just wondered how many people get suckered in by outlandish claims. Some of them are legit products, but I get a kick out of those too good to be true claims.

[Tom]

Back in the 70's, the first thing I did on Saturday was flip open to the first page of Aqueduct or Belmont to see what new book or system was being advertised! Saturday was the day for all the new stuff. Like Christmas every week. :D