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njcurveball
11-19-2008, 06:25 PM
Looks like the Racing Commission lost this game of "chicken".

cj
11-19-2008, 06:28 PM
I'm sure the entire racing world was hanging on this decision.

Track Collector
11-19-2008, 06:47 PM
I'm glad to see that at least they will race again in 2009. I really hope they get the financing to have a 20-30 day meet, which would likely restore some racing to the main (dirt) track.

I seem to get the impression that some of the horsemen would prefer to close the place down, but I'm not sure why. Atl provides additional days of racing (and revenue opportunities) for horseman, and one can always choose whether to race or not. :confused:

njcurveball
11-19-2008, 08:44 PM
I'm sure the entire racing world was hanging on this decision.

The stalker is back! It is so obvious it is getting past the point of being comical.

This is a RACING board, that is a RACING decision, and you felt obligated to post 3 minutes after I did with your A$$hole comment.

You really need to get a life man! You post stupid $hit all day!


Here is the link to the Bloodhorse article for those that care more about racing than posting stupid $hit all day!

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/48118/new-jersey-tracks-granted-racing-dates

The racing commission wanted the track to offer at least 20 days in 2009, but granted the six requested days after the track said it couldn’t afford 20 live racing programs without financial assistance.

onefast99
11-19-2008, 09:41 PM
The stalker is back! It is so obvious it is getting past the point of being comical.

This is a RACING board, that is a RACING decision, and you felt obligated to post 3 minutes after I did with your A$$hole comment.

You really need to get a life man! You post stupid $hit all day!


Here is the link to the Bloodhorse article for those that care more about racing than posting stupid $hit all day!

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/48118/new-jersey-tracks-granted-racing-dates

The racing commission wanted the track to offer at least 20 days in 2009, but granted the six requested days after the track said it couldn’t afford 20 live racing programs without financial assistance.\
I think the economy has played into the decision here. ACRC does have a decent meet albeit a short one. The track must find monies to re-build certain areas of the facility to make it habitable for the general public as well as safe for the horses to race. Any additional racing dates would need another surface to run on as the dirt course is in very poor shape. As we all know April brings a lot of rain and that will play havoc on an all turf meet. I hope that ACRC can find another partner to re-build this once popular track.

cj
11-19-2008, 11:14 PM
The stalker is back! It is so obvious it is getting past the point of being comical.

This is a RACING board, that is a RACING decision, and you felt obligated to post 3 minutes after I did with your A$$hole comment.

You really need to get a life man! You post stupid $hit all day!


Here is the link to the Bloodhorse article for those that care more about racing than posting stupid $hit all day!

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/48118/new-jersey-tracks-granted-racing-dates

The racing commission wanted the track to offer at least 20 days in 2009, but granted the six requested days after the track said it couldn’t afford 20 live racing programs without financial assistance.

Since you brought it up, I searched your most recent posts and I haven't responded to any of them since September. Hell, I hadn't even read 95% of them. I obviously suck as a stalker. I did see many where you just basically mocked others while not contributing anything.

My post was not to knock yours, but just to say that I think the whole thing is ridiculous. NJ racing is a joke outside of Monmouth and even that is going downhill faster than Franz Klammer. I lived in the state for 10 years, so I'm pretty familiar with place. The last thing NJ needs, or the whole US for that matter, is another race track.

dylbert
11-20-2008, 12:00 AM
The stalker is back! It is so obvious it is getting past the point of being comical.

This is a RACING board, that is a RACING decision, and you felt obligated to post 3 minutes after I did with your A$$hole comment.

You really need to get a life man! You post stupid $hit all day!


Here is the link to the Bloodhorse article for those that care more about racing than posting stupid $hit all day!

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/48118/new-jersey-tracks-granted-racing-dates

The racing commission wanted the track to offer at least 20 days in 2009, but granted the six requested days after the track said it couldn’t afford 20 live racing programs without financial assistance.Thank goodness you are still on my iggy list! If link to Bloodhorse article had been your initial post, I doubt that anyone would comment.

cj provides interesting commentary on thoroughbred racing and creates some excellent pace/performance figures. New Jersey will continue to have difficulties as long as its racing industry is state-owned. It cannot compete with major league NYRA and slot-fueled Pennsylvania tracks.

PaceAdvantage
11-20-2008, 01:09 AM
My post was not to knock yours, but just to say that I think the whole thing is ridiculous.This is exactly how I took your reply CJ.

I wish NJ would give this whole NJ vs. CJ thing a rest. As you can see NJ, it's starting to get ridiculous.

njcurveball
11-20-2008, 08:57 AM
This is exactly how I took your reply CJ.



I hope you handicap horses better than you handicap people. THREE minutes after my post. It MUST have been a HUGE decision if he felt he had to reply that quickly!

njcurveball
11-20-2008, 08:58 AM
I searched your most recent posts .

TRUE stalking talent! Congrats! Keep searching now! And make sure you respond within 3 minutes of this, ok?

PaceAdvantage
11-20-2008, 06:38 PM
Seriously man, give it a rest. I've seen people reply within a minute or less to people's posts.

You took his reply the wrong way. Just admit it and move on.

Steve 'StatMan'
11-20-2008, 07:05 PM
IIRC AC isn't simulcasted to out-of-state outlets, and therefore also ADW's. So very few outside of New Jersey will be able to bet it.

Nacumi
11-20-2008, 07:08 PM
According to sources, this particular AC meet will indeed be simulcast. It was part of the condition of the dates being awarded. So look for those nice 12 horse turf fields coming to a monitor or internet platform near you.:jump:

njcurveball
11-20-2008, 07:23 PM
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2008/November/19/Atlantic-City-compromises-on-2009-dates.aspx


Drazin said the agreement mandates Atlantic City management to discuss exporting its signal for simulcasting, submit future financial plans for purses and capital improvements, and seek support to obtain a third off-track wagering license.

Steve 'StatMan'
11-20-2008, 07:43 PM
Thanks - Hope the meet goes well, and that the simulcasting happens.

onefast99
11-20-2008, 08:34 PM
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2008/November/19/Atlantic-City-compromises-on-2009-dates.aspx


Drazin said the agreement mandates Atlantic City management to discuss exporting its signal for simulcasting, submit future financial plans for purses and capital improvements, and seek support to obtain a third off-track wagering license.
At this point drazin needs to take back a bit here. The economy is bad enough and to restrict the ACRC management from running this meet was and is not a good idea. The ACRC meet is a 6 day meet, most likely one of those days will be rained out. Let this track continue to run its meet, yes everyone wants to see it expanded to 20 days but for right now let it be. Drazin is a big NJ bred advocate. I dont think that part of the equation has been addressed very well. Drazin should work out a plan with the NY and Pa tracks to share in purse monies for the state breds who compete out of state. Many horseman who own NJ breds put these horses on farms for the winter and then look forward to the ACRC meet to get a race into their horses before Monmouth opens in May. As an owner I would love to run at Philly park and get a nice part of the PABF monies if such a deal could be worked out for NJ breds.

cj's dad
11-20-2008, 09:01 PM
I hope you handicap horses better than you handicap people. THREE minutes after my post. It MUST have been a HUGE decision if he felt he had to reply that quickly!

Just to help you out a bit, your "post" was a thread starter.
Many times, when I see a new topic pop up I go to it pretty quickly to see if it's interesting. Sometimes even within 3 minutes.

alhattab
11-21-2008, 12:48 AM
At this point drazin needs to take back a bit here. The economy is bad enough and to restrict the ACRC management from running this meet was and is not a good idea. The ACRC meet is a 6 day meet, most likely one of those days will be rained out. Let this track continue to run its meet, yes everyone wants to see it expanded to 20 days but for right now let it be. Drazin is a big NJ bred advocate. I dont think that part of the equation has been addressed very well. Drazin should work out a plan with the NY and Pa tracks to share in purse monies for the state breds who compete out of state. Many horseman who own NJ breds put these horses on farms for the winter and then look forward to the ACRC meet to get a race into their horses before Monmouth opens in May. As an owner I would love to run at Philly park and get a nice part of the PABF monies if such a deal could be worked out for NJ breds.

Why does NJ have to work with the other states? Can't NJ just pay out of its own funds? I think this is the answer for NJ as we discussed in previous thread. Run enough dates to provide incentive to produce a decent NJ foal crop (400 or so would be my guess) that helps preserve open space. Then offer incentives for out of state races. This would seem to be a more economical solution and also would help improve the bettability of the in-state races.

onefast99
11-21-2008, 08:01 AM
Why does NJ have to work with the other states? Can't NJ just pay out of its own funds? I think this is the answer for NJ as we discussed in previous thread. Run enough dates to provide incentive to produce a decent NJ foal crop (400 or so would be my guess) that helps preserve open space. Then offer incentives for out of state races. This would seem to be a more economical solution and also would help improve the bettability of the in-state races.
The first step "run enough dates" to helping NJ breds was taken when the racing commission expanded the Meadowlands meet until December 2009. NJ still has to work with Pa and NY to let NJ breds continue to run over the winter and share in their state bred restricted races. In the state restricted fields they are competitive, in open company they are not, that was my point.

onefast99
11-21-2008, 08:08 AM
Just to help you out a bit, your "post" was a thread starter.
Many times, when I see a new topic pop up I go to it pretty quickly to see if it's interesting. Sometimes even within 3 minutes.
It wasnt the fast response, it was the response which again seems to bash NJ racing at every opportunity he has. I still find some of his posts entertaining and I take them as such.

cj
11-21-2008, 08:22 AM
It wasnt the fast response, it was the response which again seems to bash NJ racing at every opportunity he has. I still find some of his posts entertaining and I take them as such.

When else have I "bashed" NJ racing before this thread and the Big M thread? As for that one, I posted a nearly identical Woodbine thread recently.

Are you talking about your horses? I have hardly bashed them. One I said was not as good as the threads mentioned, and the horse hasn't done much. The other was when you guys were talking about some horse shipping to NY to run in a G1 sprint. The horse most recently ran and lost in a claimer.

I've told you, I wish you nothing but the best, but I've been around this game long enough to know to take an owner's perspective on his horse with big grain of salt.

onefast99
11-21-2008, 09:52 AM
When else have I "bashed" NJ racing before this thread and the Big M thread? As for that one, I posted a nearly identical Woodbine thread recently.

Are you talking about your horses? I have hardly bashed them. One I said was not as good as the threads mentioned, and the horse hasn't done much. The other was when you guys were talking about some horse shipping to NY to run in a G1 sprint. The horse most recently ran and lost in a claimer.

I've told you, I wish you nothing but the best, but I've been around this game long enough to know to take an owner's perspective on his horse with big grain of salt.
The ACRC post was a bash against NJ racing. I also have seen a few "I lived in NJ for ten years" quotes but I would probably think that has to do more with the state rather then racing. Like I said I enjoy a lot of your posts. Many are very informative thus giving you a lot of credibility on this forum. As far as my horses go we are in the mid to upper level claimers and with that comes more ups and downs then the stock market. I take everything in stride when people comment on my horses. I'm still new to the game and it took me 6 years to finally realize you have to watch everyone closely or you can lose everything!

cj
11-21-2008, 10:07 AM
The ACRC post was a bash against NJ racing.

Of course it was, but that hardly means I bash NJ racing at every turn. I enjoyed my time in Jersey and don't have anything bad to say about it. I loved the racing, and was a regular at Garden State, Monmouth, the Meadowlands, and Freehold. I also went to several of the harness fair meets and spent time at a few of the t-bred breeding farms.

It is sad to see the game in its current condition in New Jersey and I hope they can get it fixed.

onefast99
11-21-2008, 10:35 AM
It is sad to see the game in its current condition in New Jersey and I hope they can get it fixed.[/QUOTE]

I am sure once the casino supplements are done the horseman will finally realize that the people running the current thoroughbred meets have past their prime. The 80's mentality worked when there was no real competition for the betting dollar. The slots seem to be working in many neighboring states and that may be the ultimate solution. Dont forget Monmouth Park is one of the oldest and nicest racing facilities still operating, a lot nicer then Aqueduct and Philly park. Change needs to come from the top. Getting the proper marketing people on the racing commission is a start. People who have ideas and a plan that will take care of the one group that has been left out in NJ, the bettor. I have always wanted a "town hall" type meeting with the current administration to exchange ideas. Please dont get me wrong not everyone on this current commission is behind the times but it seems as if the ones that have the most say are continuing to push tried and failed ideas.

alhattab
11-21-2008, 10:48 AM
The first step "run enough dates" to helping NJ breds was taken when the racing commission expanded the Meadowlands meet until December 2009. NJ still has to work with Pa and NY to let NJ breds continue to run over the winter and share in their state bred restricted races. In the state restricted fields they are competitive, in open company they are not, that was my point.

Got it. You'd think that Philly at least would recognize the demand from the NJ barns and would write races restricted to PA/NJ breds. They'd have to work out some kind of arrangement- could be as simple as juicing the purse after the fact based on the in-the-money finishers. I'd love to see more of this type of regional sharing including deals over stakes races. For example, Philly promises to close in Jul/Aug but during that time Mth writes races for combined NJ/PA breds.

onefast99
11-21-2008, 02:41 PM
Got it. You'd think that Philly at least would recognize the demand from the NJ barns and would write races restricted to PA/NJ breds. They'd have to work out some kind of arrangement- could be as simple as juicing the purse after the fact based on the in-the-money finishers. I'd love to see more of this type of regional sharing including deals over stakes races. For example, Philly promises to close in Jul/Aug but during that time Mth writes races for combined NJ/PA breds.
Bingo, why cant Drazin work on this? No because he is too busy bitching about ACRC's dates.