Republicans: How Bad Is It?

[Suff]

These quotes are from last weeks Governors conference in Miami and a GOP strategy session in South Carolina


Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. .

“I’m not one who buys the idea that it’s just an aberration,” Huntsman said, speaking at a news conference during the RGA meetings.

Huntsman said Republicans had to come to terms with a country increasingly different from the one that, until this year, had favored Republicans in seven of the past 10 presidential elections.

"We’re fundamentally staring down a demographic shift that we’ve never seen before in America,” he observed.


At a “lessons-learned” conference in South Carolina over the weekend comprised of GOP state chairman and other prominent party activists, there was widespread sentiment that Republicans had a serious problem on their hands.

“I think one of the biggest things we’re facing is a lack of credibility,” observed Pete Ricketts, the 44-year-old former COO of Ameritrade who lost to Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson in 2006. “The American people don’t trust us, they don’t believe what we’re going to say.”


Robin Smith, 45, who chairs the Republican Party in Tennessee, one of the few states where the party made gains this year, capturing the state House and state Senate for the first time since Reconstruction with a conservative message that plays well in the South.

But Smith was frank about what it may take for the GOP to be rejuvenated elsewhere.

“I think the Republican Party now is at a point in its life in maturity where we’re going to have to have regional messages,” she said, speaking in between sessions at the conference near Myrtle Beach.

In many regions, though, the party is struggling. With Chris Shays losing his bid for an 11th term in Connecticut, the party is now entirely shut out of the House's New England delegation for the first time since the founding of the party.

The party should not compromise its core “DNA” of small government and lower taxes, Smith added, but ought to allow for some deviation where politically necessary. (that means without the Northeast you don't win)



Back at the governors conference, GOP pollster Frank Luntz, 46, warned that not only were the party’s problems real and profound, but that they were urgent, too.

Noting that redistricting — the decennial process under which the party that controls the state can redraw voting districts to consolidate its own power — was coming up after the 2010 Census, Luntz made the case that the GOP is in “deep trouble.”


Republicans, though, now control just 21 governorships, and Democrats rule over nearly twice as many state legislatures, and every one in the east north of Virginia except for Pennsylvania


Since 2004, Republicans have gone from 55 Senate seats to 42 and from a 29-seat edge in the House to a 30 seat hole. And now they've lost the presidency, too.


Suff's political credo: Do not let up.

Keep these Republicans on the run until we are hunting the last of them down with dogs.

[delayjf]

So prey tell, whats on your wish list?

[PaceAdvantage]

The Republicans are overreacting as much as people like Suff are overrejoycing (not an actual word).

But, if Suff is correct, he only has the media to thank. Hardball at its finest...

[JustRalph]

Keep these Republicans on the run until we are hunting the last of them down with dogs.[/i]

you're a laugh a minute

[HUSKER55]

Suff - some fiber in your diet might help

[hcap]

Bottom line.....

http://www.bartcop.com/ass-handed-2-them.jpg

I doubt 2012 will give you guys enough time to reorganize. Unless
of course the dems screw up royally. It has happened before.

[hcap]

But right now it ain't pretty Choose one from column A or one from column B

http://www.bartcop.com/wilderness-u-r-here.jpg




http://www.floridadude.com/ShitCreekPaddleStore.jpg

[Suff]

you're a laugh a minute

The Pace Advantage board is dominated by the left and yes, we might find some humor in snarly comments from time to time.

In the future I'll try to be more sensitive to the minority.

[Suff]

But, if Suff is correct, he only has the media to thank. Hardball at its finest...

Keep telling yourself The Media is behind this.


Republicans, though, now control just 21 governorships, and Democrats rule over nearly twice as many state legislatures, and every one in the east north of Virginia except for Pennsylvania


Since 2004, Republicans have gone from 55 Senate seats to 42 and from a 29-seat edge in the House to a 30 seat hole. And now they've lost the presidency, too.

[nomadpat]

Are people always like this after elections? The winning side rubbing it in the face of the losers? I mean seriously, the election is over, let's focus on running on the country.

It just shows me that as long as there is this "us and them" mentality on both sides, our elected officials will continue to act the way they do.

[delayjf]

I doubt 2012 will give you guys enough time to reorganize.

Depends on how fast the Demwits can inact their tax raises, and bail-out plans. Not going to look to good for the Demwits to bail out the Auto industry and then watch it go under a year later. Just in time for those tax increases to kick in - which will have an bigger impact if Obama does in fact alter his original plan to only raise the top tier level, which he has no hinted he will do.

And since he has been warned that Al Queda is planning to attack us again, just like the Demwit blamed Bush for not stopping 9/11 after his "Al Queda determined to strike American" intel breifing, so will the Repubs blame him for not stopping the next attack.

Curious Suff, you honest think this election was a referendum on a move to a socialist order?

[ddog]

if you had any idea how much "tax money" was out of reach of the gvt , but the people controlling that money are still taking advantage of the U.S. "amenities", well let's just keep it on the qt shall we.

I am always amazed , although less so every passing day, by the mass fraud that is cheered on from the cheap seats.

sorry , if it's cruel , that's just the way it is.

[delayjf]

Sounds interesting but without any specifics - does me no good.

[robert99]

To the citizens of the United States of America

from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

In light of your immediate failure to financially manage yourselves and also in recent years your tendency to elect incompetent Presidents of the USA and therefore not able to govern yourselves, We hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated sometime next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

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1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,' 'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise.' Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').

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2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.'

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3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

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4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist,then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

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5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

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6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

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7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.

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8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

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9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. New Zealand beer is also acceptable, as New Zealand is pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

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10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

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11. You will cease playing American football. There are only two kinds of proper football; one you call soccer, and rugby (dominated by the New Zealanders). Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

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12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the Australians (A neighbouring country of New Zealand) first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

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13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

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14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

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15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

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God Save the Queen!

PS: Only share this with friends who have a good sense of humour (NOT humor)!

;)

[Rookies]

Robert...

I got that one a few weeks ago... but I thought some of the usual suspects wouldn't find any humour ( with a " U" ) in it... :)

I also got this one from the same source and, to my discredit, forgot to post it on Remembrance Day...


British news paper salutes Canada . . . this is a good read. It is funny how it took someone in England to put it into words... Sunday Telegraph Article From today's UK wires:
Salute to a brave and modest nation - Kevin Myers, 'The Sunday Telegraph'


Until the deaths of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan , probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian troops are deployed in the region.

And as always, Canada will bury its dead, just as the rest of the world, as always will forget its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever does.. It seems that Canada's historic mission is to come to the selfless aid both of its friends and of complete strangers, and then, once the crisis is over, to be well and truly ignored.

Canada is the perpetual wallflower that stands on the edge of the hall, waiting for someone to come and ask her for a dance. A fire breaks out, she risks life and limb to rescue her fellow dance-goers, and suffers serious injuries. But when the hall is repaired and the dancing resumes, there is Canada, the wallflower still, while those she once helped Glamorously cavort across the floor, blithely neglecting her yet again.

That is the price Canada pays for sharing the North American continent with the United States, and for being a selfless friend of Britain in two global conflicts.

For much of the 20th century, Canada was torn in two different directions: It seemed to be a part of the old world, yet had an address in the new one, and that divided identity ensured that it never fully got the gratitude it deserved.

Yet it's purely voluntary contribution to the cause of freedom in two world wars was perhaps the greatest of any democracy.Almost 10% of Canada 's entire population of seven million people served in the armed forces during the First World War, and nearly 60,000 died. The great Allied victories of 1918 were spearheaded by Canadian troops, perhaps the most capable soldiers in the entire British order of battle.

Canada was repaid for its enormous sacrifice by downright neglect, it's unique contribution to victory being absorbed into the popular Memory as somehow or other the work of the 'British.'

The Second World War provided a re-run. The Canadian navy began the war with a half dozen vessels, and ended up policing nearly half of the Atlantic against U-boat attack. More than 120 Canadian warships participated in the Normandy landings, during which 15,000 Canadian soldiers went ashore on D-Day alone.

Canada finished the war with the third-largest navy and the fourth largest air force in the world. The world thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had the previous time.

Canadian participation in the war was acknowledged in film only if it was necessary to give an American actor a part in a campaign in which the United States had clearly not participated - a touching scrupulousness which, of course, Hollywood has since abandoned, as it has any notion of a separate Canadian identity.

So it is a general rule that actors and filmmakers arriving in Hollywood keep their nationality - unless, that is, they are Canadian. Thus Mary Pickford, Walter Huston, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, William Shatner, Norman Jewison, David Cronenberg, Alex Trebek, Art Linkletter and Dan Aykroyd have in the popular perception become American, and Christopher Plummer, British.

It is as if, in the very act of becoming famous, a Canadian ceases to be Canadian, unless she is Margaret Atwood, who is as unshakably Canadian as a moose, or Celine Dion, for whom Canada has proved quite unable to find any takers.

Moreover, Canada is every bit as querulously alert to the achievements of its sons and daughters as the rest of the world is completely unaware of them. The Canadians proudly say of themselves - and are unheard by anyone else - that 1% of the world's population has provided 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces.

Canadian soldiers in the past half century have been the greatest peacekeepers on Earth - in 39 missions on UN mandates, and six on non-UN peacekeeping duties, from Vietnam to East Timor, from Sinai to Bosnia.

Yet the only foreign engagement that has entered the popular non-Canadian imagination was the sorry affair in Somalia, in which out-of-control paratroopers murdered two Somali infiltrators. Their regiment was then disbanded in disgrace - a uniquely Canadian act of self-abasement for which, naturally, the Canadians received no international credit.

So who today in the United States knows about the stoic and selfless friendship its northern neighbour has given it in Afghanistan?

Rather like Cyrano de Bergerac, Canada repeatedly does honourable things for honourable motives, but instead of being thanked for it, it remains something of a figure of fun. It is the Canadian way, for which Canadians should be proud, yet such honour comes at a high cost. This past year more grieving Canadian families knew that cost all too tragically well.

Lest we forget.

[sammy the sage]

you can blame the media all you want....

but in reality....the AVERAGE joe...got TIRED of being TRICKLED ON!

[witchdoctor]

you can blame the media all you want....

but in reality....the AVERAGE joe...got TIRED of being TRICKLED ON!

Here is in Oklahoma we have a saying like this that goes "Quit pissing in my ear and telling me it is raining." :ThmbUp:

[PaceAdvantage]

Keep telling yourself The Media is behind this.I don't have to tell myself a thing.

If you don't think the media has a significant impact on the masses then you're in serious denial.

[sammy the sage]

""If you don't think the media has a significant impact on the masses then you're in serious denial.""

And if you think the media PAYS every-one's bills...see above statement!

[sammy the sage]

by the way...LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING...I never said the media didn't have a big impact....it has a TREMENDOUS impact on many things....INCLUDING elections....my father lost an election...due to media taking statement's "out-of context"

Media would've played a part in this election....HAD IT BEEN CLOSE!

Any repub...WAS DONE...as soon as gas hit $4 a gal...an the FAIL_OUT on all economic problems that followed...due to that...

If you can't/won't admit to that...then OSTRICH analogy comes to mind!

[lamboguy]

i got to throw in my two cents here. in my mind democrats and republican's are jsut labels. to me there is really no diference between the 2. democrats want to give money back to the so called "deprived". when they get the dough rei me its nothing but chump change. the republicans give it to smaller amounts of people in a bigger way. basically the crowd that are democrat's are pretty dumb to begin with, not all but alot. so when they get a hand out they think its the greatest thing since swiss cheese. the republicans that get the money know they are stealing it when they get it.
both the republican's and democrat's go to the media to try to mislead you how great they are. that's the system. and you get arguements on forum's like this one how one is better than the other. everyone defends who they want to passionately. not really having good reasons why one is good or bad.

and the system goes on and on.

[Suff]

I don't have to tell myself a thing.

If you don't think the media has a significant impact on the masses then you're in serious denial.

You do have to tell yourself things. You absolutely do. Its the only way you can reconcile facts that don't match up with your warped view.

The media effects the masses? Yes, and so does the weather. Tell me you believe the liberal media got a Democratic Governor elected in Montana? Or a Democratic Senator elected in Alaska. That Alaska liberal media is some powerful shit huh?

You do realize that "the media" trades on the stock exchanges? And that if anyone were to buy 5% or as little as 2% of any of them you could file a proxy and get a board seat. You speak as if the media is a far away planet that is outside the grasp of people with your political leanings.


Supposedly Republicans are the big earners, the ones who carry the country, work the hardest, pay all the bills. Well buy some goddamn media other than Fox news. People don't read or trust News Busters News Max, Pajama media or Free Republic or the Washington Times. Do you know why?

Because that shit is for WHACK JOB WINGNUTS like the kind hanging around here. That is why!

With the Stock Market in the shape it is many media companies are trading at less than cash. Gatehouse media who owns 132 Newspapers has 12 million of cash on hand, with a market cap of 3 million.

That means they will sell you 12 million dollars for 3 million dollars if you take all their debt and all their associated problems.

General Motors is trading at less than Cash. People don't realize how bad things are.... Things are about to get ugly in America.

America is on its knees and it will not get up in our lifetime.

And your group yells from rooftops about the media?

Its get real time.

[Tom]

You have to hand it to Suff, every post he makes is more informative than the next one.

[JustRalph]

His side wins one election, gets more than 50 percent of the vote for the first time in 32 years and suddenly he is a genius ................... and he shows up to scream his own praises from every rooftop............Congrats Suff......... you won. You can stop tearing the country down, you can stop screaming about doom and gloom........the Messiah is going to fix everything. George Soros and Moveon are going to have their hands around Obama's nuts for the next four years.......... Thank god, Thank god almighty............you can stop your campaign to make people believe that things can't be fixed because the Repubs tore down the country beyond repair. You can wait until 2011 to start that crap. Here's an idea........

Go out on the Streets of your beloved Boston and celebrate with your own kind. Revel in the bars and streets, talk endlessly about how you are better than the rest of the country, toast the Kennedy's every couple of hours. Even better, wear your Red sox jersey. Scream at the top of your lungs, plan your Obama inauguration party. Marvel at the devine nature of the left. Tell your friends about the "WhackJob Wingnuts" on Pace Advantage. Maybe you can speculate on what Michelle is going to wear to the big dance? But, at the end of the night........when you get home........... you will still be the same person you always were...........nothing will have changed and you are going to have worry about how your Messiah is going to let you down.

Your Banal support of an ideology that is proven to do nothing but tear down those which it purports to draw to the gleaming sphere of enlightenment will be once again wasted time and effort. Just like those enlightened souls on the left who built the first housing projects of the 60's. Just like those enlightened souls who decided to give away the confiscated tax dollars of others to those who were deemed lessor individuals by your ideology. It's just more of the same. You will be supporting over the next four years, more of the same. More of the same.

You are who you are. Does it ever enter into your mind that 40 years of being in Charge of Congress and you couldn't get it done might mean there is a flaw in the ideaology? You are about to embark on the same roadmap. I dare predict the same failures of the 60's. Get ready for the Libs............here they come full strength. A complicit media and a tacit approval by your foreign brothers will provide glamourous coverage and praise from afar. But it will be more of the same. No matter what those folks at MSNBC and DailyKos call it. Good Ole Fashion Liberalism with a nod toward socialism is what it is. It has failed before. It will again.

Your sudden resurgence here on PA is such a gift. Most of us know who you are though. Get over yourself. It's been two weeks already.

[Suff]

Go out on the Streets of your beloved Boston and celebrate with your own kind. Revel in the bars and streets, talk endlessly about how you are better than the rest of the country, toast the Kennedy's every couple of hours. Even better, wear your Red sox jersey. Scream at the top of your lungs, plan your Obama inauguration party. Marvel at the devine nature of the left. Tell your friends about the "WhackJob Wingnuts" on Pace Advantage. Maybe you can speculate on what Michelle is going to wear to the big dance? But, at the end of the night.......

.

OMG that's heaven on earth what you just described. I love it.

Posting here reminds me of my cocaine days. I'll do one post, , ahh wtf I'll do another post, then another post. Next thing you know I'm at the ATM at 3:00 in the morning telling myself not to worry because I'll hit the early double at Suffolk later in the day.:bang:,

I don't play horses any longer. I really should not post here as often as I have been, so I won't. I'll leave you boys be.

I'll tell you this though, its not about whose right or wrong. No idea is an island, so we are all right and wrong. It comes down to each individuals unique view of the world. Upon thoughtful examination I have reached the conclusion that I am more right.:ThmbUp:

You gentlemen enjoy your Holidays.

[highnote]

I really don't know why U.S. voters elected a democrat majority to destroy the ecomomy when the republicans were doing such a good job? :confused:

[hcap]

Long term trend. Not idle speculation.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9ks36c549BI/SSd5fJ7lxvI/AAAAAAAAAzg/oC_YAbIkjtY/s1600/center%2Bright.gif

[Indulto]

... Your [Suff's] Banal support of an ideology that is proven to do nothing but tear down those which it purports to draw to the gleaming sphere of enlightenment will be once again wasted time and effort. Just like those enlightened souls on the left who built the first housing projects of the 60's. Just like those enlightened souls who decided to give away the confiscated tax dollars of others to those who were deemed lessor individuals by your ideology. It's just more of the same. You will be supporting over the next four years, more of the same. More of the same.

You are who you are. Does it ever enter into your mind that 40 years of being in Charge of Congress and you couldn't get it done might mean there is a flaw in the ideaology? You are about to embark on the same roadmap. I dare predict the same failures of the 60's. Get ready for the Libs............here they come full strength. A complicit media and a tacit approval by your foreign brothers will provide glamourous coverage and praise from afar. But it will be more of the same. No matter what those folks at MSNBC and DailyKos call it. Good Ole Fashion Liberalism with a nod toward socialism is what it is. It has failed before. It will again. ...
You swallow everything Limbaugh and Coulter want to feed you and then complain when others don't repeat it or listen to it except ideological zealots like yourself.

Eight years of unbridled Capitalism characterized by obscene greed and waste that only true believers still defend finally made MSM start approaching mainstream, but you stand ready to do anything you can to paint the Obama administration as a failure before he even takes office.

Suff probably has me on ignore and may not even read this, but I have to give him credit for one thing... Nobody else gets to you and makes you reveal your true nature the way he does.

[Marshall Bennett]

Eight years of unbridled Capitalism characterized by obscene greed and waste
Obscene greed and waste was shared by all , and welcomed with open arms by all . Don't blame the government of the past eight years for their failure to control those needs . If you need someone to hold your hand and guide you through economics 101 , move back home .

[JustRalph]

You swallow everything Limbaugh and Coulter want to feed you and then complain when others don't repeat it or listen to it except ideological zealots like yourself.

[COLOR=Red]yeah, right. :sleeping:

but you stand ready to do anything you can to paint the Obama administration as a failure before he even takes office.

You got that part right. I am wholly opposed to Liberalism in all forms.

Suff probably has me on ignore and may not even read this, but I have to give him credit for one thing... Nobody else gets to you and makes you reveal your true nature the way he does.

I don't think I try to hide my "true nature" What you read, is what you get. Several others here who subscribe to the same crap have heard the same stuff from me. Suff brings it on himself, and not just from me. My mailbox fills up with kudos's every time I respond to him in the manner you quoted. I don't do it often. There is a certain point where somebody has to say it. He has just been over the line lately. He has his motivations, I have mine. There are many here that still have some type of reverence for Suff. Those who know, don't. In all his incarnations, he is both an enigma and a puzzle. It takes all kinds to fill the freeway, and the PA board. In case you dont' know, years back I was very friendly with Mike (Suff) and we spoke on the phone a few times etc. I am still the same guy. I dare to say I find him, sadly, not the same person.

[Indulto]

Obscene greed and waste was shared by all , and welcomed with open arms by all . Don't blame the government of the past eight years for their failure to control those needs . If you need someone to hold your hand and guide you through economics 101 , move back home .ll tt,
Shoo, Fly! I can't hear what the adults are posting with you buzzing around.

[Indulto]

I don't think I try to hide my "true nature" What you read, is what you get. Several others here who subscribe to the same crap have heard the same stuff from me. Suff brings it on himself, and not just from me. My mailbox fills up with kudos's every time I respond to him in the manner you quoted. I don't do it often. There is a certain point where somebody has to say it. He has just been over the line lately. He has his motivations, I have mine. There are many here that still have some type of reverence for Suff. Those who know, don't. In all his incarnations, he is both an enigma and a puzzle. It takes all kinds to fill the freeway, and the PA board. In case you dont' know, years back I was very friendly with Mike (Suff) and we spoke on the phone a few times etc. I am still the same guy. I dare to say I find him, sadly, not the same person.I'm not surprised you were friendly. You both can be postitively eloquent at times and opposites often attract.

From what I have read of his, he's far and away the most charismatic poster here. Whether one agrees with his point of view or not, he's always entertaining.

Are you saving all those PMs you received? I've always suspected right-recliners need this version of athletes "high-fiving" one another to maintain self-esteem. ;)

[Sailwolf]

I don't have to tell myself a thing.

If you don't think the media has a significant impact on the masses then you're in serious denial.

including FOX news (fair and balanced)?

[JustRalph]

Are you saving all those PMs you received? I've always suspected right-recliners need this version of athletes "high-fiving" one another to maintain self-esteem. ;)

They are called private messages for a reason.

My email is private too............ there is much more going on around here than you know..........and I am sure much more than I know....... :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

including FOX news (fair and balanced)?MSM includes all. I would guess that FOX, being one of the four major commerical networks along with a top rated cable news station, would also be part of the mainstream...

[PaceAdvantage]

Obscene greed and waste was shared by all , and welcomed with open arms by all . Don't blame the government of the past eight years for their failure to control those needs . If you need someone to hold your hand and guide you through economics 101 , move back home .Some facts are conveniently ignored:

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

By STEPHEN LABATON
Published: September 11, 2003

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.I take it in bizarro world, Barney Frank must be the best congressman EVER (as opposed to Bush being worst president ever), because Barney, in response to the above Bush proposal, had this to say:''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B 63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

So, whatever happened to this new agency that was proposed by Bush in 2003? Who was responsible for making it sure it did not come to fruition?

Maybe I have also conveniently ignored a fact or two.

Take me to school Indulto.

[Indulto]

Some facts are conveniently ignored:

I take it in bizarro world, Barney Frank must be the best congressman EVER (as opposed to Bush being worst president ever), because Barney, in response to the above Bush proposal, had this to say:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B 63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

So, whatever happened to this new agency that was proposed by Bush in 2003? Who was responsible for making it sure it did not come to fruition?

Maybe I have also conveniently ignored a fact or two.

Take me to school Indulto.You don't need me to hold your hand, PA. ;)

I hope there are investigations that look at what Dems did as well as Reps. Not all Dems are good guys. I keep voting against certain of them, but they keep winning anyway. :bang:

The right thinks they are anti-fraud and anti-waste when it comes to entitlements and opposing universal health-care. If you want to study something, PA, how about learning how to help those in true need cost-effectively. We don't have to bend over for cheaters to assist people who deserve it.

For every Barny Frank you have issues with I'll give you a Tom Delay. With Frist gone, we'll elimnate privateers from the drug industry. Hopefully we can do it with energy and military contracting as well.

When will youse guys understand that all the boats have to float to beat this economic crisis regardless of who's to blame.

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When will youse guys understand that all the boats have to float to beat this economic crisis regardless of who's to blame.I agree 1000% However, I feel the need to point out the hypocrisy of the past eight years of blaming the Bush admin. 100% for every single wrong to come down the pike, yet when Democrats are clearly responsible for a nice portion of our current economic woes, suddenly, it's time to hold hands and share the blame equally for the good of the nation.

It's hilarious if it weren't also so sad at the same time.

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You swallow everything Limbaugh and Coulter want to feed you and then complain when others don't repeat it or listen to it except ideological zealots like yourself.

As do you with the likes of Oberman and Franken.