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bigmack
11-17-2008, 09:49 PM
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ArlJim78
11-17-2008, 10:13 PM
check it out, watch the video. you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll :bang:

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

Poll of Obama voters revealed that 57.4% of Obama voters could not identify which party controls congress, but only 13.7% could not identify Sarah Palin as the candidate on which their party spent $150K in clothes.

HUSKER55
11-17-2008, 11:38 PM
You are whining and that is totally outrageous and unfounded.:lol: :lol:

PT Barnum was right. You can fool some of the people all of the time. They aree called democrats.:D

mostpost
11-17-2008, 11:40 PM
check it out, watch the video. you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll :bang:

http://www.howobamagotelected.com/

Poll of Obama voters revealed that 57.4% of Obama voters could not identify which party controls congress, but only 13.7% could not identify Sarah Palin as the candidate on which their party spent $150K in clothes.

66,760,924 people voted for Barack Obama, and you show us a video of 12 (TWELVE!!) who are uninformed. I could find more at any Republican election rally. "Obama...he's..he's a uh he's a ..a Arab" Two questions. How many people did they interview before they "picked" the ones they wanted to use? Or..were they ringers reading from a script?

mostpost
11-17-2008, 11:46 PM
Two guys posted the same video within 25 minutes of each other. Do you guys live together?:rolleyes:

JustRalph
11-18-2008, 04:09 AM
Congratulations, these people cast a vote that counted as much, and maybe more, depending on where they cast it, than yours did.

These people were allowed to decide what rate of taxes you will be paying next year and for the foreseeable future. They were allowed to decide how your country will be defended and who will be in charge of the most important posts in our country. And people wonder why our Government can't fix anything. :bang: :bang:

There are idiots on the Repub side too. There needs to be stricter rules on who can vote.

HUSKER55
11-18-2008, 09:13 AM
Ralph, that is how politicians get their money. Do you really think anyone here is going to live long enough to see a program that qualifies if a voter is smart enough to make an intelligent decision.

Both parties have them and it is a very scary thought. I am not a radical but I still maintain the only way to effect change is to shoot a bunch of those DC politicians and then there will be change.

There should be term limits on everyone and once they have served they are done. Can't run for any other office. Period. I would settle for that. BTW, that will never happen either.

hcap
11-18-2008, 09:30 AM
66,760,924 people voted for Barack Obama, and you show us a video of 12 (TWELVE!!) who are uninformed. I could find more at any Republican election rally. "Obama...he's..he's a uh he's a ..a Arab" Two questions. How many people did they interview before they "picked" the ones they wanted to use? Or..were they ringers reading from a script?
:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:


These guys too. Just as representative of all McCain supporters.
Ask them a question. If you can wake 'em. Usually these guys are engrossed totally in a McDonald's' menu. Low information, high cholesterol.

http://www.bartcop.com/mccain-sleep-inducing.jpg

PaceAdvantage
11-19-2008, 01:06 AM
I could find more at any Republican election rally.How do you know? Have you ever tried?

My guess is that there would be an equal number of uninformed folks on both sides.

You do have to admit it's interesting that they seemed to be up to date on all the negative McCain/Palin propaganda reported by the MSM, but when it came to the somewhat important stuff, they were more often than not clueless.

Proof the MSM has done its jobs of fixing the election. Good show!

HUSKER55
11-19-2008, 11:04 AM
Hcap, if you woke them up and they all gave you the correct answers then what would you say. They are tired from running into a wall trying to correct the misinformed democrats.

It is a big job. Fourtunately, republicans have big shoulders to carry the load and even bigger hearts so we can forgive the misinformed and welcome them back into the fold of the republican party.

so.cal.fan
11-19-2008, 11:04 AM
I think it was Socrates who said that democracies will fail after a few hundred years, because the uninformed voters will vote their country into bankruptcy or worse.
The sad thing about our country today is that only about 10% of the voters are highly informed and 5% are on either side.
This video was shameful, because these people were obviously swayed by MSNBC for the most part.
I watched this video yesterday morning and was depressed all day.
I've been following elections since 1960 and this was the worst one I ever saw, the commentators on MSNBC were disgraceful........I will never watch that channel again, ever. Keith Oberman is a vicious and hateful little man and Chris Matthews is disgusting......his eyes would actually glass over when speaking of the "chosen one....Obama". It was very creepy.
Very disgusting. :ThmbDown:

OTM Al
11-19-2008, 12:46 PM
Congratulations, these people cast a vote that counted as much, and maybe more, depending on where they cast it, than yours did.

These people were allowed to decide what rate of taxes you will be paying next year and for the foreseeable future. They were allowed to decide how your country will be defended and who will be in charge of the most important posts in our country. And people wonder why our Government can't fix anything. :bang: :bang:

There are idiots on the Repub side too. There needs to be stricter rules on who can vote.

Nice straw man type speech there Ralph. Sorry but I have to be very critical of what you wrote here. You speak of these people as if they are some sort of outsiders, some sort of beings who are not worthy. Its not just "our" country, it happens to be theirs too, like it or not. They voted for whatever reason for the candidate they wanted. I guarantee there were some pretty bad reasons on both sides, but would you deny their right to vote?

JustRalph
11-19-2008, 04:08 PM
Nice straw man type speech there Ralph. Sorry but I have to be very critical of what you wrote here. You speak of these people as if they are some sort of outsiders, some sort of beings who are not worthy. Its not just "our" country, it happens to be theirs too, like it or not. They voted for whatever reason for the candidate they wanted. I guarantee there were some pretty bad reasons on both sides, but would you deny their right to vote?

yep. Until they pass muster. We make people take a written test to get a Drivers License, but any idiot can choose a president. Sorry, things have changed. Time to enact some minor hurdles.

Age 30 would be a good place to start. College age kids who have never paid a damn dime in taxes, getting to vote on anything is stupid. They haven't earned it. All they know is the crap pushed into their heads by the respective teachers. They need to be in the workforce for five or ten years first. I am around several young people in their early 20's and after they have worked a few years, they have an entirely different outlook. This maturation process is a good thing. It makes them more aware of what government can and cannot do for them.

The people in this video should not be able to vote. They don't even know who the Speaker of the House is, or more importantly, what they do. Take a simple test, proving you understand how government works......... then you can vote.

OTM Al
11-19-2008, 04:21 PM
yep. Until they pass muster. We make people take a written test to get a Drivers License, but any idiot can choose a president. Sorry, things have changed. Time to enact some minor hurdles.

Age 30 would be a good place to start. College age kids who have never paid a damn dime in taxes, getting to vote on anything is stupid. They haven't earned it. All they know is the crap pushed into their heads by the respective teachers. They need to be in the workforce for five or ten years first. I am around several young people in their early 20's and after they have worked a few years, they have an entirely different outlook. This maturation process is a good thing. It makes them more aware of what government can and cannot do for them.

The people in this video should not be able to vote. They don't even know who the Speaker of the House is, or more importantly, what they do. Take a simple test, proving you understand how government works......... then you can vote.

I admit goading you with that comment because I knew you would respond this way. I totally disagree with any restriction of voters. At age 18 the rules of being an adult apply. You would deny access to any redress for these adult citizens by removing their ability to vote. Many young people I've been around are extremely motivated and learn all they can about what's going on and are very excited about being part of it. I've also seen plenty of irresponsible older people. And I disagree with your attitude toward education. Yes, there are teachers who seek to influence students, but they are a lot rarer than what you think. Most simply want the student to think for themselves. Citizens have the right to vote in this country. Period. Anything else would be a far deeper cut into the democracy which we have built than any of the things the right has charged as Mr. Obama's socialist agenda. Do you think it correct that they have any other rights stripped as well?

DanG
11-19-2008, 06:02 PM
Ralph ~ Until they pass muster. We make people take a written test to get a Drivers License, but any idiot can choose a president.
Or some might say become one… ;) Insert rim shot here / (Sorry Ralph, the straight line was on a tee. :blush: )

Ralph ~ Age 30 would be a good place to start. College age kids who have never paid a damn dime in taxes, getting to vote on anything is stupid. They haven't earned it.
But they are old enough to die in battle without a voice over who sent them? Not buying this one at all. My best friends son in Penn State (and daughter in Florida) are at least as well informed as most of the off-topic participants here; with all due respect.

Ralph ~ The people in this video should not be able to vote. They don't even know who the Speaker of the House is, or more importantly, what they do. Take a simple test, proving you understand how government works......... then you can vote.
We do understand that this film is edited…right? If anyone thinks I couldn’t use the same budget to edit a film depicting the “other side” as a bunch of clueless / narrow minded moonshine dealers is literally dreaming.

Editorial: Fasten your seat belts ladies and germs. Serious division in America is happening right now. Not pretty to watch; but inevitable in a Republic.

JustRalph
11-19-2008, 10:35 PM
I admit goading you with that comment because I knew you would respond this way. I totally disagree with any restriction of voters. At age 18 the rules of being an adult apply.

*** I am callling for changing the rules***

You would deny access to any redress for these adult citizens by removing their ability to vote. Many young people I've been around are extremely motivated and learn all they can about what's going on and are very excited about being part of it.

** I say they gotta pay taxes and get to age 30 first. Getting to age 30 normally takes care of the first part.

I've also seen plenty of irresponsible older people.
** They can pass the basic test they can vote. No Convicted Felons though.

And I disagree with your attitude toward education. Yes, there are teachers who seek to influence students, but they are a lot rarer than what you think.

*** Yeah, that's why the Republican Clubs are the dominate force on College Campus :lol:

Citizens have the right to vote in this country. Period.
*** Remember, I am calling for change here.


I don't want to take away the right to vote. I want to delay it until you are 30 and make sure you have the basics down so that you can make a prudent decision.

There is no way I would want to go against the founders or the basic rights of the constitution. But as a nation we have allowed our elections to run off the rails. We empower our politicians much more than intended.

Do you honestly think that the founders would be in approval if they knew that at any period of our nation the top marginal tax rate was 90 percent? Well it used to be 90 percent. Do you think that they would approve of the wholesale taking of funds from one group to provide for another ? Do you think that they would approve of what the public school system has turned into?

There was a great debate amongst the early governors of our country as to whether or not a public education system should be established. It was barely passed and has grown into the greatest monstrosity in the country. It is ruled by Union thugs and largely dominated in the big cities by one party, and more often than not a disfunctional group of so called activists who are more the problem than the solution. They are commonly called "school boards"

There is no competition therefore no incentive to improve. Some of the best schools in the nation spend half as much on the kids than the worst schools in the nation. Futhermore we have decided that we must feed and transport kids. This is not what public schools are setup to do. The city of Charlotte NC spends 100k a day to run the school buses. 100k?

This is a different discussion.........we have done this one before. not for this thread.

One more thing, have an honorable discharge from the Military in hand and you can vote. No matter your age.

dav4463
11-19-2008, 11:09 PM
You should have to take a competency test to vote in my opinion. And it's not being sore losers, it's just fact that many people vote for stupid reasons and don't even know the issues. If we had television back in the old days, Lincoln could never be elected because he was too ugly and didn't talk well.

boxcar
11-19-2008, 11:18 PM
Or some might say become one… ;) Insert rim shot here / (Sorry Ralph, the straight line was on a tee. :blush: )


But they are old enough to die in battle without a voice over who sent them? Not buying this one at all. My best friends son in Penn State (and daughter in Florida) are at least as well informed as most of the off-topic participants here; with all due respect.

We do understand that this film is edited…right? If anyone thinks I couldn’t use the same budget to edit a film depicting the “other side” as a bunch of clueless / narrow minded moonshine dealers is literally dreaming.

Editorial: Fasten your seat belts ladies and germs. Serious division in America is happening right now. Not pretty to watch; but inevitable in a Republic.

Finally, I found something on which to agree with Dan and OTM, although for different reasons. Since I just stated a little while ago on another thread that the core principle on which this nation was founded was individual liberty, which means in a democratic republic everyone has the right to be as bright or as dumb as they want, to be as rich or poor as they want, to be be informed or as ill-informed as they want, to be as industrious or as lazy as they want, etc., etc. This is the bad news with this form of human government. (But be of good cheer, for there is worse news straight ahead, so stay tuned.) Once we start "tweaking" these kinds of individual freedoms, we set up the country for more division -- more strife. For example, we establish an "elite" class who is eligible to vote, and a "common" class who isn't.

Another problem with JR's solution is that it appears he mistakenly believes that the central problem with the uninformed or misinformed is basically one of Information. If only people were "properly" informed (or educated), they would make better decisions. While this is certainly true to some extent, this kind of solution raises even more problems, but more importantly begs the question. Individual Liberties truly presuppose personal responsibilities. But this in turn clearly suggests that we all have a moral duty to execute those responsibilities to the best of our abilities and in accordance with each of our own core set of values. The reason this is so important is because who we elect will largely determine how our nation's moral compass will read. But ironically, right here is the Achilles' Heel to our form of government. This is why our great nation will eventually fall, as will all the nations on this earth. (This is the really bad news.)

From a Christian perspective, if there is one thing that could properly characterize all nations -- all forms of human government -- it would be godlessness (despite the fact that at least 75% of the world is rather religious!) The farther the peoples of the world move away from God, the more depraved humanity will become. Everyone has faith in something or someone. And faith demands an object. The object of faith for the godless is Man. We tend to turn inward to ourselves and/or to the State because man will look either to himself or to the State to satisfy his temporal and even "spiritual" needs, which, of course, flies in the face of what scripture requires of us. The proof to this kind of statement can be found in all the "intelligentsia" (many of who were very well heeled) voted for Obama. These types stood in sharp contrast to those JR was talking about because they were informed of the issues but their set of core values dictated that they vote for this mystery man Obama despite all that for which he stands.

In the end, Moral Relativism will set the this nation and the entire world up for its Final Curtain Fall on this world's stage.

Boxcar

HUSKER55
11-19-2008, 11:37 PM
I maintain that if schools were to operate year round and students had to obey the rules, (show up neat, clean, homework done and no goofing off and etc) that most of the problems would solve themselves.

What the schools today call history is a bad joke compared to when I went to school. Forget about literture. You are lucky if they can spell it.

Some weekend take your significant other to a historical museum and look at the textbooks used in pioneer schools. We did.

I found out I flunked. Seriously. The experience is an eye opener. You would not believe the amount of knowledge a child had to learn to pass the eigth grade.

The one that killed me was "describe the bones in the arm, name them, including each of the gliding joints, and explain how they work together".

There were 200 of the questions and they got tougher. Seriously.

Does not matter which side of the aisle you are on. It is an eye opener.

Government class was "the new frontier". The library in town gets exhibits off and on and it is worth the look.


Most of what everyone is discussing has the solution in our past history as a nation.

Pity is I wonder when we will learn.

Just MHO

Seriously, check out some of the exhibits at your library. You'll be glad you did.

riskman
11-20-2008, 12:40 AM
Do you think most registered voters could pass this test? Should their citizenship be revoked ---or their right to vote be
taken away? ;)

http://usgovinfo.about.com/blinstst.htm

dav4463
11-20-2008, 01:17 AM
You take a test. If you pass you get a voter card with your info on it so it can't be used by anyone else. If you fail, you have one more chance to take the test. If you fail again, no voting for you until next election if you can pass the test.

OTM Al
11-20-2008, 05:45 AM
One more thing, have an honorable discharge from the Military in hand and you can vote. No matter your age.

This is the one you mentioned before that I have the biggest problem with. Military personnel are citizens and should be entitled to no extra rights beyond that of citizens. I'm not talking about medical care for injuries received while on duty or money for education. That's part of the pay. The military should always work for the citizenry of this country, never the other way around. That is why a civilian is always the commander of the armed forces. Giving soldiers special rights not available to others is a direct path to military dictatorship. Keep giving them special rights and then you get to the point where you must be a soldier to be a real citizen and then you've come to a very very bad place.

And boxcar, so little faith you have in me. Other than your end desire for a religious state, which I do find as an appalling form of government as a military dictatorship, if not even more so, most of what you said concerning individual liberty is quite well put.

ddog
11-20-2008, 07:03 AM
you underestimate the Imam-car , he wants , but won't say the death of those who don't share his view of "freedom/responsibility".


He is for the Shining Path all the way.

After all one who has THE ONLY TRUE TRUTH doesn't need to tolerate the views of the little people.

If the little people could only be converted or at least locked up then all would be well. His moral relativism problem would be solved.

Only the true believers that accept the revealed truth would be around.

I like how such a "failed man" , are not we all, can be so sure he has insight into all others "core values", wow, the god walks among us, all bow down to Imam-car.

And he calls others elitist.

DanG
11-20-2008, 07:40 AM
Finally, I found something on which to agree with Dan and OTM, although for different reasons. Since I just stated a little while ago on another thread that the core principle on which this nation was founded was individual liberty, which means in a democratic republic everyone has the right to be as bright or as dumb as they want, to be as rich or poor as they want, to be be informed or as ill-informed as they want, to be as industrious or as lazy as they want, etc., etc. This is the bad news with this form of human government. (But be of good cheer, for there is worse news straight ahead, so stay tuned.) Once we start "tweaking" these kinds of individual freedoms, we set up the country for more division -- more strife. For example, we establish an "elite" class who is eligible to vote, and a "common" class who isn't.

Another problem with JR's solution is that it appears he mistakenly believes that the central problem with the uninformed or misinformed is basically one of Information. If only people were "properly" informed (or educated), they would make better decisions. While this is certainly true to some extent, this kind of solution raises even more problems, but more importantly begs the question. Individual Liberties truly presuppose personal responsibilities. But this in turn clearly suggests that we all have a moral duty to execute those responsibilities to the best of our abilities and in accordance with each of our own core set of values. The reason this is so important is because who we elect will largely determine how our nation's moral compass will read. But ironically, right here is the Achilles' Heel to our form of government. This is why our great nation will eventually fall, as will all the nations on this earth. (This is the really bad news.)
Wow Box;

Maybe there is hope for a bipartisan America. :ThmbUp:

I agree with a good 84.6% of your first couple paragraphs and that is a record percentage if you’re keeping score at home. :)

Very well written.

DanG
11-20-2008, 07:47 AM
You take a test. If you pass you get a voter card with your info on it so it can't be used by anyone else. If you fail, you have one more chance to take the test. If you fail again, no voting for you until next election if you can pass the test.
• Who designs and issues these tests?
• Is the idea only discussed when that person’s party of choice has lost?
• If one fails, do you still collect their tax revenue even though you have deemed them "unworthy" of participating in the process?
• Perhaps most importantly…Will this test be issued to potential candidates? ;)

I can think of many parallel’s between state sponsored communism and this line of thinking to be honest. Very dangerous and incredible unconstitutional imo.

boxcar
11-20-2008, 11:15 AM
Wow Box;

Maybe there is hope for a bipartisan America. :ThmbUp:

I agree with a good 84.6% of your first couple paragraphs and that is a record percentage if you’re keeping score at home. :)

Very well written.

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed. But I just wanted to see what it felt like to walk across the aisle for once. ;)

Boxcar

DanG
11-20-2008, 11:23 AM
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed. But I just wanted to see what it felt like to walk across the aisle for once. ;)

Boxcar
Box;

During your trip you walked right past me; I try and straddle the isle and side with the majority. ;)

Your serve… :)

The Judge
11-20-2008, 11:31 AM
the ability to flip a coin, or say heads or tails, or in some way indicate 1 or 2 as those are your choices when it comes to the most important office in the land. Thats all the ability thats needed. Seems that those that do vote can pass the test.

ArlJim78
11-20-2008, 12:29 PM
Obama hands down won the moron vote. I think an opportunity for Republicans in the future will be to cater to this voting block, and craft specific policies, proposals, speeches with the intention of attracting the large moron vote.

Obama did it with pizazz, Greek columns, offering free money, and new benefits, without ever having to explain the details.

Republicans need to be a big tent party, they need to make room for morons in order to recover from these losses the last few elections. I suggest next time opting for slogans like "We're Awesome!", or "The Future Is Ours", or "Your Check Is In The Mail", instead of worn out stuff like Country First.

the campaign signs and literature should also feature shinier, glossier graphics, and should probably utilize more images of unicorns and donuts.

boxcar
11-20-2008, 01:09 PM
Box;

During your trip you walked right past me; I try and straddle the isle and side with the majority. ;)

Your serve… :)

Ahh...so you're the missing link? Right under everyone's noses all the time. :)

Boxcar

DanG
11-20-2008, 01:55 PM
Republicans need to be a big tent party, they need to make room for morons

Please start printing those bumper stickers for 2012.


Welcome Moron’s to the GOP.


(Brought to you buy the party that claims the “other side” is elitist.org ;) )

That is just too funny Jim.

JustRalph
11-20-2008, 03:23 PM
I am trying to decide whether to fill up my car or pay the mortgage just prior to inauguration day.........

That way OBama gets a few extra weeks to take care of business before he has to buy my gas and pay my mortgage