Sorry azz state of the Industry

[amazingD]

Today I cant bet on CD, HOL, GG............seems like there are more disputes that hurt the bettor. You cant count on getting a bet down anywhere anymore. Why study all night just to find our your not eligible to wager somewhere.

[cj]

It has gotten worse than I could have ever imagined.

[blind squirrel]

Today I cant bet on CD, HOL, GG............seems like there are more disputes that hurt the bettor. You cant count on getting a bet down anywhere anymore. Why study all night just to find our your not eligible to wager somewhere.
yeah,i live in Louisville and there's been a dispute between CD
and the Horsemen....is it any wonder people are abandoning racing
for Casino's and Sports Betting? :mad:

[BombsAway Bob]

Sunday night I bought the DRF online early PP's for Hollygreed's opening day..
Karen's Aunt had died, & we had the Wake Tuesday, Funeral AM Wednesday.
Spent All last night studying the card at Karen's Moms house, sans Brews!
Got home @ 3PM, & saw the TVG notice that HOLLYGREED is not available out-of-state, & to call Drew @ (310)330-7142 to bitch.. Beautiful..:bang:

[Dave Schwartz]

Mr. Bombsaway,

I enjoy your posts. They are informative and you appear to be very well-read.

Thank you.


That said, I have a request...

Would you consider changing the size of your type to something a little larger?

It is a real struggle to read that small print, although your tagline comes through real clear.


Respectfully,
Dave Schwartz

[cj]

Mr. Bombsaway,

I enjoy your posts. They are informative and you appear to be very well-read.

Thank you.


That said, I have a request...

Would you consider changing the size of your type to something a little larger?

It is a real struggle to read that small print, although your tagline comes through real clear.


Respectfully,
Dave Schwartz

I second the motion. You post good stuff BAB, but it is a little tough on the eyes.

[Speed Figure]

Is it just me or was everything cool when TVG had all the tracks?

[LottaKash]

Perhaps this may be a time for HANA to step up and flex a bit of muscle....I know that Cal-racing is big time and therefore alluring to the majority of players here and around the nation, but perhaps, this may be a very timely time to form some sort of a boycott of sorts, to send a clear signal to the ractracks that we are tired of their BS, and we are not going to support this type of crap any longer....If they don't want us, then we don't them...haha nahnah....:jump:

best,

[Hajck Hillstrom]

Guess what guys? The industry knows it can get away this type of action, as their client base is begging for them to resolve this issue so they can get back to betting on their tracks.

When I go out, I don't demand good service and fine products, but if I don't receive satisfaction, I simply won't return. I simply impact the business by not patronizing it, oh yes, and I discuss my dissatisfaction with others.

I'm tired of getting kicked around by the industry. My message is that it is not OK to f__k around with my livelihood.

I've pushed literally millions of dollars through the windows in my lifetime...and though I've never pushed a million dollars through in a single year, hundreds of thousands is the norm.

That number has just disappeared.

I'm tired of getting kicked in the balls every time I turn around in this game. :bang:

Lee Russo is right. The sport is dying. Not because it isn't a great game, but because the powers-that-be continue to shoot themselves in the foot, and they are slowly bleeding it to death.

I do believe I will continue to participate in the sport though, as a thorn in the side, or a pebble in the shoe of the administrators of the game.

What a bunch of muppets.

[Imriledup]

Guess what guys? The industry knows it can get away this type of action, as their client base is begging for them to resolve this issue so they can get back to betting on their tracks.

When I go out, I don't demand good service and fine products, but if I don't receive satisfaction, I simply won't return. I simply impact the business by not patronizing it, oh yes, and I discuss my dissatisfaction with others.

I'm tired of getting kicked around by the industry. My message is that it is not OK to f__k around with my livelihood.

I've pushed literally millions of dollars through the windows in my lifetime...and though I've never pushed a million dollars through in a single year, hundreds of thousands is the norm.

That number has just disappeared.

I'm tired of getting kicked in the balls every time I turn around in this game. :bang:

Lee Russo is right. The sport is dying. Not because it isn't a great game, but because the powers-that-be continue to shoot themselves in the foot, and they are slowly bleeding it to death.

I do believe I will continue to participate in the sport though, as a thorn in the side, or a pebble in the shoe of the administrators of the game.

What a bunch of muppets.

Incredible post. And, at the same time, very sad indeed.

The way the customers in horse racing are treated is absolutely pathetic. No customer base in any other business gets the shaft quite like the racing fan. Fans come back for the greatness of the game and certainly not the customer service. The higher ups could care less about the fans and the customers. I just couldn't believe my eyes when i saw on TVG this message flashing that you weren't allowed to bet. Think about that for a second. They are running horse races for the SOLE purpose of betting and they don't let you bet. America, the land of the free, doesn't you do much anything these days. Canada and Europe are going strong and their residents can bet with anyone they want. Betfair, Pinnacle, you name it, they can do it. America, we're too worried about the children. What are the children going to think if a grown adult makes a horse or sports wager in the privacy of his own home? Oh no, we cant have GAM-BA-LING but we can sell liquor to minors and cigarettes are in every convienience store in every corner in america. Want to make a sports bet? You can't. Want to smoke tobacco, drink alcohol or drink caffeine? No problem....you can do drugs, but you can't bet on the Packers.

What in gods name is happening to the good ole' US of A.? If anyone has an answer or a solution, i'm all ears.

[JustRalph]

Is it just me or was everything cool when TVG had all the tracks?


Speed, I believe that is the real problem. No competition breeds poor service and more.

An open market is always best for the consumer. In this case, too many hands have control.......... and none of them have the common sense of a goose

[garyoz]

Speed, I believe that is the real problem. No competition breeds poor service and more.

An open market is always best for the consumer. In this case, too many hands have control.......... and none of them have the common sense of a goose


no competition yet "too many hands have control" .... there's a contradication there someplace.

IMHO you can't blame TVG, they brought production value and national distribution to horse racing on a 7 day a week 12+ hours a day basis. They aren't making huge profits--positive cash flow at best. There is no national organization (e.g., MLB, NFL) to negotiate and understand the business model. Track management and, most signficiantly, the horsemen, overestimate the value of their product.

At this point, I say let the whole thing blow-up. I don't play much these days anyway. The "sport" is just accelerating its death spiral.

[Tom]

Now that the BC is over, I will play harness exclusively for the foreseeable future. Tampa Bay if they don't turn into idiots. But the T Breds can kiss my arse. I will never go back to any that have screwed me in the past. Woodbine, Mohawk, Meadowlands, all the action I need.

[takeout]

At this point, I say let the whole thing blow-up.
Agree totally. The only thing that puzzles me is why it’s taking so long. :confused:

[socantra]

Free markets make a nice slogan, but that won't do anything about the tracks where the horsemen are withholding their signal.

Whatever the reasons, if they're boycotting me, I'm returning the favor. I haven't put a dime into the pools for a month, and with CD and HOL not available, I'm through for the year.

I'll look at things again early next year, and if they haven't straightened out a bit by then, I'll take some more time off..

Maybe the horsemen can develop a taste for horse meat.

[LottaKash]

Now that the BC is over, I will play harness exclusively for the foreseeable future. Tampa Bay if they don't turn into idiots. But the T Breds can kiss my arse. I will never go back to any that have screwed me in the past. Woodbine, Mohawk, Meadowlands, all the action I need.

Welcome home Tom, it's like putting on a comfy pair of shoes isn't it ?.....Life is easier and gooder here hay ?..

best,

[cj]

Welcome home Tom, it's like putting on a comfy pair of shoes isn't it ?.....Life is easier and gooder here hay ?..

best,

Just stay away from Western Fair!

[LottaKash]

Just stay away from Western Fair!

Away Far.........:jump:

best,

[racefinder2]

Are CD and Hol not simulcasting to all other tracks(like CrC-LS earlier this yr) or just ADWs-internet betting?

Also

How the racetracks are letting these horsemens groups hold them hostage?

Why not take bets from all comers and discuss it later??? Deny these groups the power to interfere w doing business the right way, and let em twist in the wind.
All it would take would be one track or state, and the rest would get the message.

[cj's dad]

Re: H-Park

Who, besides themselves ,are the horsemen @ Hollywood screwing by not allowing TVG (or other ADW's) subscribers to wager on their race card? Please expain if you will.

[Hajck Hillstrom]

Too bad the industry can't capitalize on finger pointing, for if they could, they would have the resources to sponsor the bailouts.

[SMOO]

The higher ups could care less about the fans and the customers. I just couldn't believe my eyes when i saw on TVG this message flashing that you weren't allowed to bet. Think about that for a second. They are running horse races for the SOLE purpose of betting and they don't let you bet. America, the land of the free, doesn't you do much anything these days. Canada and Europe are going strong and their residents can bet with anyone they want. Betfair, Pinnacle, you name it, they can do it. America, we're too worried about the children. What are the children going to think if a grown adult makes a horse or sports wager in the privacy of his own home?


:ThmbUp:

[DeanT]

The way the customers in horse racing are treated is absolutely pathetic. No customer base in any other business gets the shaft quite like the racing fan. I just couldn't believe my eyes when i saw on TVG this message flashing that you weren't allowed to bet. Think about that for a second. They are running horse races for the SOLE purpose of betting and they don't let you bet. America, the land of the free, doesn't you do much anything these days.
Not really true. I think if you have a proxy server in North Dakota, a PO Box in California, a friend in Texas, a social security number that does not end in 7 and you don't own a firearm you can bet the third at Golden Gate.

Oh, but you get withholding tax if you make a score.

Just dont bet over the internet from Arizona whatever you do. I think you will end up like Kumar and Harold in the Bay.

My smart ass way of saying "ya, no wonder this business is going in the toilet"

[cj]

Re: H-Park

Who, besides themselves ,are the horsemen @ Hollywood screwing by not allowing TVG (or other ADW's) subscribers to wager on their race card? Please expain if you will.

Hollywood Park, which is who they are fighting with over pricing, sort of!

[JustRalph]

no competition yet "too many hands have control" .... there's a contradication there someplace.

ok, let me clarify. There was no competition when TVG has exclusive rights, and then the Horseman and the Tracks all have their hands on the product.

And somehow the lawmakers allowed the Horseman to interfere with the entire scenario by giving them the right to withdraw or stop the signal from being distributed. We end up with one having all the rights over the coverage and the other being able to stop the signal. Too many hands on the product.

I wish a track would just go out and start buying up horses and employing trainers....... it might take five years.......but if a track could buy up horses and run the whole shebang in house......... it would make for a better product in some ways.