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JustRalph
10-24-2008, 02:25 AM
"Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee’s Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute."

They are also going to force you to invest 5% into a guaranteed Social Security Account.

"A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller’s Education and Labor Committee on her proposal. …

Under Ghilarducci’s plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation."

some info on the plan here:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/23/democrats-to-kill-401ks-for-privatized-social-security/

The current system of providing tax breaks on 401(k) contributions and earnings would be eliminated.

Tom
10-24-2008, 07:49 AM
That was on Fox Business yesterday, too.

Socialism is coming. The Fool will destroy this country in under a year.

Lefty
10-24-2008, 11:41 AM
The Dims counting heavily on an uninformed public. I was talking about how bad Obama's tax plan was at the Racebook yesterday and one guy asked me what I was worried about since I didn't make 250,000 a yr. That ignorance of basic economics is what Obama's team counting on most.

chickenhead
10-24-2008, 12:39 PM
I don't like the looks of that plan at all, though I do actually agree that 401K's are not good at all above the company match, if you're lucky enough to get one. Otherwise they really shouldn't be used.

I wouldn't mind if they limited 401K's to 5% or so (to encourage people to only capture the match), and upped the Roth limits to around $20K. That would be much better. Hell, force people to put money into a Roth is fine with me.

Oh yeah, and eliminate SS altogether. If people don't save enough they can go on welfare.

lamboguy
10-24-2008, 12:42 PM
huh!

i think bush took good care of your 401 k's

bet on gold from here, bush wrecked us financially, gold always shines after guys like him

i have been in gold since the man took office. i stay in no matter who gets in

Marshall Bennett
10-24-2008, 12:43 PM
The dems are counting on a deformed public opinion . Obama and his liberal media have brainwashed millions . Reminds me of a popular German dictator gone bad . He deceived millions as well . Though different in character maybe , their influence is very simular , and the outcome for its citizens much the same .

prospector
10-24-2008, 01:58 PM
That was on Fox Business yesterday, too.

Socialism is coming. The Fool will destroy this country in under a year.
remember the underground economy of the 70's? hide yer cash

lamboguy
10-24-2008, 02:03 PM
i don't like obamas either, but get ahold of yourself. george bush is a socialist, he along with the republican congress the first 6 years of his administration reamed us into coconuts, they set the tables, and bush and the democratic congress ate us up for desert

Marshall Bennett
10-24-2008, 02:19 PM
remember the underground economy of the 70's? hide yer cash
... no need to hide yer gold . In a year it won't be worth hiding .

delayjf
10-24-2008, 02:56 PM
i think bush took good care of your 401 k's.
george bush is a socialist, he along with the republican congress the first 6 years of his administration reamed us into coconuts, they set the tables, and bush and the democratic congress ate us up for desert

Could you provide more details, specifically the laws enacted by the Bush Administration that lead to our current economic situation?

Tom
10-24-2008, 03:50 PM
Earth to lamboguy...Bush isn't running. Get a new whine. :bang:

JustRalph
10-24-2008, 04:09 PM
remember the underground economy of the 70's? hide yer cash


I am glad somebody else remembers that. I see the same stuff coming.

Hell, they already do it in California.

Secretariat
10-24-2008, 04:45 PM
huh!

i think bush took good care of your 401 k's

bet on gold from here, bush wrecked us financially, gold always shines after guys like him

i have been in gold since the man took office. i stay in no matter who gets in

Bush took care of everyone's 401k. I got out of that trap awhile ago after he took office, and like you invested in metals.

prospector
10-24-2008, 04:50 PM
... no need to hide yer gold . In a year it won't be worth hiding .
that's okay...don't cost much to go back out and dig more each summer..

Tom
10-24-2008, 04:55 PM
Metals, Sec?


Tin foil hats? :lol::lol::lol: