mccain wins debate

[lamboguy]

the most important think he said was that we cannot be happy with the direction the country has taken the last 8 years.

that says a mouthful, he does not want to continue the failed policies of his predicessor, a republican trainwreck.


GEORGE W BUSH

[lamboguy]

according to fox news phone in polls, 87% think that mccain trounced him,

mccain is brave, he told obama to stop comparing him to the greatest trainwreck of all time. if he wanted to run against the trainwreck, he should have run 4 years ago.

mccain doesnt want to continue the failed policies of george bush.

if obamas gets elected, he will be a continuation play of the bush administration. he will make the patriot act look like a kindergarten. with obamas you will have less rights than what bush already took away from you.

[dav4463]

Republicans always win the Fox News polls because Democrats don't watch Fox News. CNN polls always say Democrats win as does all the other major media outlets since they are slanted to the Democrats.

I watched the debate. I thought McCain won. I thought he made Obama look defensive plenty of times, but then all the talking heads come on and say Obama won so I guess I'm just stupid.

[JustRalph]

I watched the debate. I thought McCain won. I thought he made Obama look defensive plenty of times, but then all the talking heads come on and say Obama won so I guess I'm just stupid.

nope, you are impartial........... that is the difference between you and the media

[NJ Stinks]

Who won the debate?

At WSEX after the debate you must bet $733 to win $100 on Obama or you can bet $100 on McCain and win $488.

Post debate at Ladbrokes Obama is 1/9 and McCain is 5-1.

Still, I thought McCain had his best debate tonight.

[dav4463]

They need a scoreboard. Points subtracted for an uneasy feeling by a candidate. Points for making a strong point. Points for pissing off the other guy, etc. ...The scoreboard would be up there while 5 impartial judges punch in their scores. If 3 of 5 agree, point is scored!

Problem is....it's too hard to find anyone impartial!

[JustRalph]

Interesting take on it.....a poll etc..........

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14618.html

Perhaps the best news for McCain is the rating he received from independent voters. Among respondents not identified with either major political party, McCain was judged tonight’s winner, 51-42 percent

The poll was conducted over a 15-minute period following the completion of the presidential debate, testing 715 respondents with a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points. The sample of uncommitted, likely voters, was selected from a pool of 160,000 voters across the country, and the results were demographically weighted.

“This poll, unlike some others, asked only one question, and that is who won the debate, and then asked the demographic questions in order to process the poll. If we asked any more questions, no one could physically have finished it in time to analyze it in the 11-12 o’clock hour,” said InsiderAdvantage pollster Matt Towery. “We went to extraordinary levels to make sure that everyone taking the poll was truly undecided.”

[PaceAdvantage]

At WSEX after the debate you must bet $733 to win $100 on Obama or you can bet $100 on McCain and win $488.

Post debate at Ladbrokes Obama is 1/9 and McCain is 5-1.Why would you quote WSEX before the debate, and Ladbrokes after? Doesn't make much sense....

Also, are those payoffs based on popular vote or electoral college?

[ddog]

Interesting take on it.....a poll etc..........

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14618.html

Perhaps the best news for McCain is the rating he received from independent voters. Among respondents not identified with either major political party, McCain was judged tonight’s winner, 51-42 percent

The poll was conducted over a 15-minute period following the completion of the presidential debate, testing 715 respondents with a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points. The sample of uncommitted, likely voters, was selected from a pool of 160,000 voters across the country, and the results were demographically weighted.

“This poll, unlike some others, asked only one question, and that is who won the debate, and then asked the demographic questions in order to process the poll. If we asked any more questions, no one could physically have finished it in time to analyze it in the 11-12 o’clock hour,” said InsiderAdvantage pollster Matt Towery. “We went to extraordinary levels to make sure that everyone taking the poll was truly undecided.”

if you are a child or assume all others are,,,,, demographically weighted , Huh??
selected from a pool of 160,000 voters, and that "pool" was from where?
it asked 1 question and then asked some other questions???
which was it 1 or more than one.
What were the other questions?

They couldn't fit in one like, who you voting for??

goofballs.

this Towery is the same goofy former pug legislature clown right??

Maybe needs a Harvard type to assist.
:lol:

[Greyfox]

In tonights debate I felt Obama "out-talked" McCain.
But more importantly, I felt McCain was the one who showed honesty and integrity.

[lamboguy]

I felt McCain was the one who showed honesty and integrity.[/QUOTE]In tonights debate I felt Obama "out-talked" McCain.
But more importantly, I felt McCain was the one who showed honesty and integrity. john mccain is an example of a profile in courage.
he spent his whole life doing gutsy things. sure obamas is a slick talker, but he is a bs artist. i refuse to beleive that if this is going to be a legitamate election, a majority would actually vote for him. mccain stepped up to the plate last night. he didn't have all the answers but he is going to give it his college try. he will try anything that comes close to working, whether it comes from a republican or a democrat. he told obamas to stop comparing him to bush. i have never seen any candidate knock his parties sitting president like he just did, rightfully so i might add.

[hcap]

McCains' best performance, but not enough.

"CBS News and CNN both conducted polls in the immediate aftermath of the debate, and both showed respondents, by a wide margin, awarding the victory to the Democratic nominee.

Fifty-eight percent of those surveyed by CNN said they believed Obama won Wednesday night's contest; 31 percent said they thought McCain came out on top. The margin of error was plus or minus four percentage points.

CBS restricted its poll to uncommitted voters, but found similar results -- 53 percent of respondents said they thought Obama won, while 22 percent said the same for McCain and 24 percent called it a draw. No word yet on the margin of error there."



If this follows the pattern of the previous debates, polls taken later in the week should still favor Obama by increasing margins.

[Tom]

I thought it amusing that once again, for the fourth time, Obama was unable to cite one single program he would cut, chosing instead to repeat is mantra of hope, change, trust me......pretty shallow. The man offers talk, nothing else. McCain did badly, but on facts and issues, he dominated.
It was a replay of Kennedy /Nixon...Kennedy used TV magic and "smoke and mirrors" to win, but if you listened on the radio, Nixon destroyed him. We elected the wrong man in 1960 based on, what else, the media. Oh, yeah, and Chicago-style vote fraud. Deja vous.

[barn32]

according to fox news phone in polls, 87% think that mccain trounced him,
Fox news polls...

:lol::lol::lol::jump::jump::jump::D:D:D

[Greyfox]

I felt McCain was the one who showed honesty and integrity. john mccain is an example of a profile in courage.
he spent his whole life doing gutsy things. sure obamas is a slick talker, but he is a bs artist..[/QUOTE]


BINGO. lamboguy you've hit the nail on the head.:ThmbUp:
Obama is a masterful "bs artist."
The problem though is "Bull Shit Baffles Brains!"
My fear is a youth vote won't see through Obama's verbal tap dancing.

[chickenhead]

Obama is very very slick. In my 2 second armchair psychoanalysis, being of mixed descent, both religious, cultural, and racial...he's become rather an expert in learning to make people accept him as part of their group.

First in Chicago, where he "wasn't black enough"...Rev Wright helped him with that charge. He's very slick in this campaign, there is a reason he's constantly saying "I agree with Sen. McCain.."...what he's really saying is "I'm not so different, you can trust me".

He's very smart. He could have gone after McCain and scored points on several things, he could have really smacked him on free trade, but he didn't. He steers so far away from angry as to put you to sleep. Angry black men don't sell. (neither do angry white men, apparently)

Politics aside, he is an amazingly disciplined, smart politician. That's not to say he doesn't screw up, but not very often.

The other interesting thing to think about, is that if the economy had turned sooner, if we were having the Dow in free fall during the primary, I don't think there is a chance in hell Obama would have won the nomination. The Clinton machine would have been unstoppable.

[DJofSD]

For a different angle to analyze McCain and Obama watch this (http://www.history.com/shows.do?episodeId=366944&action=detail) History Channel program about nonverbal communication and body language. Then watch the debates again.

[NJ Stinks]

Why would you quote WSEX before the debate, and Ladbrokes after? Doesn't make much sense....

Also, are those payoffs based on popular vote or electoral college?

Both quotes were after the debate.

Payoffs are based on "2008 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WINNER" at WSEX and who wins the presidency at Ladbrokes.

[Bubba X]

I'll be voting Obama but to me McCain was the clear cut winner last night. And while I do believe he is sincere on his positions, it is impossible for me to get past what the Republicans have done to the party, to the economy and to the deficit. I am against the war, against how it has been run, it's tough to support a 72 yo with a 4-time cancer history and Palin doesn't help.

I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary and, frankly, he wasn't willing to get negative enough to beat Bush.

He's a good man, he did very well last night, but to me, his time has passed. I suppose most independents share that view as well as not feeling a sense of dread over Obama.

[NJ Stinks]

john mccain is an example of a profile in courage.
he spent his whole life doing gutsy things. sure obamas is a slick talker, but he is a bs artist..


BINGO. lamboguy you've hit the nail on the head.:ThmbUp:
Obama is a masterful "bs artist."
The problem though is "Bull Shit Baffles Brains!"
My fear is a youth vote won't see through Obama's verbal tap dancing.[/QUOTE]


Nobody thinks McCain does not possess courage. One of McCain's big problems is that he is on the wrong side of most issues.

BS has nothing to do with anything except possibly providing a soft landing for Republicans/conservatives. Unfortunately, those youth you are talking about are pretty good at identifying BS.

[Greyfox]

Unfortunately, those youth you are talking about are pretty good at identifying BS.

Doubtful. They are following him like mice followed the Pied Piper.

[mountainman]

Think maybe(just MAYBE, mind you) that people who watch fox are predisposed to see things the republican way? Just a wild guess on my part, but the fox poll may be unreliable.

From where I sit, Obama won it easily. McCain was particularly inarticulate last night, reverting time and again to simple, rehearsed talking points, while Obama discussed, and seemed to better grasp, the issues. Much has been made by republicans of McCain taking the gloves off last night, but if Obama was put on the defensive, then why was it McCain who was red in the face and forcing that tense little smile?

[lamboguy]

naturally mccain can't out slick obamas, but mccain needs democratic voters.

obamas is a suspect candidate and they are looking for reasons to vote against him. mccain gave it to them in spades. how do you expect anyone to get elected who thinks bush was a good president and wants to carry out the same dumb policies as he has done. he separated himself from that bum last night. that is all he had to do and he did it in spades.

[mountainman]

Wishful thinking. It's all but over. Obama wins.

[ddog]

Obama is very very slick. In my 2 second armchair psychoanalysis, being of mixed descent, both religious, cultural, and racial...he's become rather an expert in learning to make people accept him as part of their group.

First in Chicago, where he "wasn't black enough"...Rev Wright helped him with that charge. He's very slick in this campaign, there is a reason he's constantly saying "I agree with Sen. McCain.."...what he's really saying is "I'm not so different, you can trust me".

He's very smart. He could have gone after McCain and scored points on several things, he could have really smacked him on free trade, but he didn't. He steers so far away from angry as to put you to sleep. Angry black men don't sell. (neither do angry white men, apparently)

Politics aside, he is an amazingly disciplined, smart politician. That's not to say he doesn't screw up, but not very often.

The other interesting thing to think about, is that if the economy had turned sooner, if we were having the Dow in free fall during the primary, I don't think there is a chance in hell Obama would have won the nomination. The Clinton machine would have been unstoppable.


Yep, say what you want about the guy, but you don't get where he got in Chicago and where he is now against the odds he had to go against without something on the ball.

I am still going Mac, but if you honestly stop and think back a couple of years, who on this earth would have given the guy a chance to even beat the dreaded Clinton Mafia machine that most on here have "lauded" for it's ruthless political tactics?

I have a feeling he tougher than most here would expect.
I would have given 50-1 against him anytime , even after Iowa, much less when he was elected to the US Senate.

I think that's mostly why Hill-Bill couldn't figure a way to take him out and why Mac seems so pissed the longer the debates go, neither of them think he should be able to cut in line on them.
it has to make them crazy.
Just like some on this board, he's in their heads.


:eek:

[Tom]

Of course the Fox poll was biased. ALL the polls are biased. Acorn and other election fraud specialists have biased the way they are taken. The media loves the idea and goes with it. In the real world McCain is leading by 7-10 points. No thinking American will vote for Obama. Too bad we have millions of unthinking ones. :lol:

The whole point is to make McCain people give up, thinking it is all over. It is, but McCain wins as long as his supports merely show up and vote, like they did in 2000 and 2004.

[GaryG]

The Red State Real World will be heard from on election day as in the past. Media manipulation can only take this yahoo so far. Election fraud! Racism! Those damn red states....they racist!

[Marshall Bennett]

Poor weather in the upper mid west and northeast could be a factor on election day . McCain hopes young Obamians will stay home ( they may anyway ) . There they can find shelter from the cold & rain , smoke their dope , and watch their hero lose on television because they were too damn lazy to get out and vote .

[Hank]

Obama is very very slick. In my 2 second armchair psychoanalysis, being of mixed descent, both religious, cultural, and racial...he's become rather an expert in learning to make people accept him as part of their group.

First in Chicago, where he "wasn't black enough"...Rev Wright helped him with that charge. He's very slick in this campaign, there is a reason he's constantly saying "I agree with Sen. McCain.."...what he's really saying is "I'm not so different, you can trust me".

He's very smart. He could have gone after McCain and scored points on several things, he could have really smacked him on free trade, but he didn't. He steers so far away from angry as to put you to sleep. Angry black men don't sell. (neither do angry white men, apparently)

Politics aside, he is an amazingly disciplined, smart politician. That's not to say he doesn't screw up, but not very often.

The other interesting thing to think about, is that if the economy had turned sooner, if we were having the Dow in free fall during the primary, I don't think there is a chance in hell Obama would have won the nomination. The Clinton machine would have been unstoppable.

He was also very smart not to take the Palin bait.This is what reveals how clueless some far-righters around here are,they constantly carp about what a dumbass Obama is.:lol:

[ddog]

weather patterns can't overcome mass psychosis that many claim is the motivation for Obama's tykes to show.

if you are right in those beliefs, then Mac is dead meat.

"smoke their dope" , that's cute.


True believers don't need dope, the one is the dope.

lol:

[Tom]

If it rains, all the homeless will go indoors and vote. :bang:

But then again, most Obama supports don't know enough to come in out of the rain. Might be a wash.

[PaceAdvantage]

This is what reveals how clueless some far-righters around here are,they constantly carp about what a dumbass Obama is.:lol:Who would that be? Who on here carps about what a dumbass Obama is?

[wonatthewire1]

if I am remembering correctly, the majority here feel that McCain won all 3 debates - so that is good

looks like the good guys have a shot after all despite what the media is peddling these days

[PaceAdvantage]

Where do you get this garbage? A majority on here feel McCain won all three debates? Really? Again, where do you get this? Did you set up a poll?

[Hank]

Who would that be? Who on here carps about what a dumbass Obama is?

Since you asked....I'd put TOM at the top of the list.:eek:

[PaceAdvantage]

Since you asked....I'd put TOM at the top of the list.:eek:I guess I must have missed the posts where Tom questions Obama's intelligence.

I don't think anyone can argue Obama isn't a bright guy...even Tom.

[wonatthewire1]

Where do you get this garbage? A majority on here feel McCain won all three debates? Really? Again, where do you get this? Did you set up a poll?


from the postings (?) (did say "if" but that coulda been missed)

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50992&highlight=debate

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51391&highlight=debate

and this one currently

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51627&highlight=debate


That's 3 for 3 so we're headed to the big house
:jump:

[lamboguy]

mccain could have 5000 debates with obamas and never win on points. he is not as eloquent a speaker as obamas, meaning obamas is a certfied bs artist.

last night he threw the knockout punch. since there are fewer registered republicans than democrats, any republican is going to have to cross the line to get elected. the one thing democrats are afraid of is having 4 more years of bush policies. mccain last night successfully broke away from bush.

they never liked each other anyway, so there is no reason for for mccain to give bush any respect anyhow.

[Tom]

I guess I must have missed the posts where Tom questions Obama's intelligence.

I don't think anyone can argue Obama isn't a bright guy...even Tom.

I think I have said he is either the dumbest jerk around or a lying SOB.
Although if if he believes half the crap he say, he must be a rutabaga.
I think, really, he is very smart in deception, in schmoozing, and not very bright in reality. He memorizes a lot of stuff but he has no clue what it means.

He is remarkably smart in that he can hear a buzz word and immediately call up a programed response, much like spelling bee's.

Go back and listen to last night's debate. He will totally contradict himself several times. Many of his answers make no sense in total, they only sound intelligent in the context of that one question, but relate all his answers to all the questions, and he is either a great liar or has no clue what he is saying.

And, to be perfectly blunt, considering the alarming lack of intelligence out there, thanks to liberal education and the miserable excuse of news media we have in this country, anyone "clean and articulate" will appear to be a leader.

But don't forget Bobcat Goldwaith, who was told by his guidance counselor that he was ranked 97th in a class of 100, and asked what he was going to do about it replied," I am going to find numbers 98, 99, and 100 and hang out with them. I will be thier leader."

[PaceAdvantage]

That's 3 for 3 so we're headed to the big house
:jump:I still don't get it....what's the count for or against? You must have some sort of count of members, or else you couldn't post this kind of wibberdeedo.

[ddog]

"Sometimes the leak is so bad that even a plumber can't fix it." This was the concise summation of a cable political strategist the other day, after the third and final presidential debate. That sounds about right, and yet the race in its final days retains a feeling of dynamism. I think it is going to burst open or tighten, not just mosey along. I can well imagine hearing, the day after Election Day, a lot of "You won't believe it but I was literally in line at the polling station when I decided."


APJohn McCain won the debate, and he did it by making the case more effectively than he has in the past that Barack Obama will raise taxes, when "now, of all times in America, we need to cut people's taxes." He also scored Mr. Obama on his eloquence, using it against him more effectively than Hillary Clinton ever did. When she said he was "just words," it sounded like a bitter complaint. Mr. McCain made it a charge: Young man, you attempt to obscure truth with the mellifluous power of your words. From Mrs. Clinton it sounded jealous, but when Mr. McCain said it, you looked at Mr. Obama and wondered if you'd just heard something that was true. For the first time, Mr. Obama's unruffled demeanor didn't really work for him. His cool made him seem hidden.

There is now something infantilizing about this election. Mr. Obama continued to claim he will remove wasteful spending by sitting down with the federal budget and going through it "line by line." This is absurd, and he must know it. Mr. McCain continued to vow he will "balance the budget" in the next four years. Who believes that? Does even he....

AND some more

But we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven weeks I've listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganite—a spender, to speak briefly, whose political decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move within an awareness and appreciation of reality.

But it's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things.





http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

[Capper Al]

Republicans always win the Fox News polls because Democrats don't watch Fox News. CNN polls always say Democrats win as does all the other major media outlets since they are slanted to the Democrats.

I watched the debate. I thought McCain won. I thought he made Obama look defensive plenty of times, but then all the talking heads come on and say Obama won so I guess I'm just stupid.
I thought Obama won. What America wanted to see was a cool head in the time of crisis. The independents' gave it to Obama. That's what really says who won. It's amazing that Obama keeps getting under rated by the media and other politicians even to this day. Hillary didn't appreciate what she was up against until she lost. McCain and the other Republicans may never understand it even after McCain losses.

[Tom]

Obama under-rated by the media??? Huh????
The media get tingling legs over Obama.
I've never seen a more biased election than this one.

BTW, Bin Laden has always shown himself to be cool and calm during his jihad, even after Tora Bora when he was wounded and forced to hide in a cave. So much for appearances. :eek: