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ElKabong
10-12-2008, 02:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vJcVgJhNaU

He can't make it any more clear than this. His comments start at about the 90 second mark. Nothing gray or fuzzy. His comment stands.

He paid ACORN(s) 800k to do his dirtywork. The trade off is: They help to shape his administration's agenda before he moves into the white house (if elected). I find this clip unreal. :ThmbDown:

ArlJim78
10-12-2008, 10:32 AM
seeing the disasterous way this group has helped to shape housing (Fannie/Freddie), and elections (fraud everywhere), I can't wait to see their ideas for how to shape the policies of an Obama presidency.

so.cal.fan
10-12-2008, 02:04 PM
How can this be happening?
Voter fraud in all the key states?
Is this how Obama got elected in the first place to the State Senate and then to the U.S. Senate?
Disgusting!!!!!! :mad:

ddog
10-12-2008, 02:24 PM
Goldman and pals will shape just as they have the last several.

It's all smoke and mirrors boys and the money for the fire is yours!

Steve 'StatMan'
10-12-2008, 02:42 PM
How can this be happening?
Voter fraud in all the key states?
Is this how Obama got elected in the first place to the State Senate and then to the U.S. Senate?
Disgusting!!!!!! :mad:

Sadly, easily. I believe he got to the IL State Senate representing the district that includes Rev. Wright's church and similar regions of Chicago. Most everyone in those districts should have known him, either from church, or his local work as a community/political organizer.

Great orator, so he impressed all the prominent IL Democrats. Shares a number of their ideals as well, and gets the support of the Chicaco Democrats and the 'machine'.

His first Republican oppenent in the U.S. Senate Election, Jack Ryan, who was fairing well early, chose to withdraw when info from his divorce from actree Jeri Ryan were released, regarding his sexual habbits and desires and issues from their marriage.

This also happened while the sitting IL Governor, Republican George Ryan (no relation) wisely chose not to run for re-election due to an ugly bribery scandal that played out for many months, sent dozens to jail, turning him extremely unpopluar, and was eventually convicted and is serving time in a federal prison.

With the IL Republican Party in disfavor in IL, no other prominent IL Repubican wanted to start a quite late campaign to oppose the now strong front-runner Obama, and an out-of-state Republican candidate, Alan Keyes, chose to come to IL, reside (ala Hilary Clinton in NY) and take the party nomination for the spot. Keyes, however, did not truly have the support of the prominent IL Republican leaders, and was likely taking a shot as a volunteer sacrificial lamb in the election, for both the Republican agenda as well as his own career and getting his own message out - he had a radio show at that time. So Obama was elected to the IL senate, along side long-time IL Democratic Senator Dick Durbin.

He had the oratory skills and the powerful push, got to make his big speach at the Democratic Convention, and make Chris Matthews all excited and fluttery inside, and sieze a spot on the national stage.

JustRalph
10-12-2008, 02:44 PM
I just heard on a radio station out of Cincy that ACORN has registered 666,000 new voters in Ohio alone. Remember that Bush only won Ohio by 100k in 04.

Check out what they did in Indiana

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2008/10/10/griffin.acorn.elex.fraud.cnn


This election will be tainted by ACORN no matter who wins.............but you know they aren't voting for Obama................

Considering Obama's campaign gave them only 800k to do this work, this is the cheapest stolen election in the history of the world........at least on a national level

bigmack
10-12-2008, 02:57 PM
Any outrage from any Dem around this joint about how the Dem's tried to shove in a gargantuan deposit for ACORN in the first bailout bill? Nah. Just business as usual for them.

http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/acorn-to-get-bailout-money-starting-the-next-mortgage-crisis-today/

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ElKabong
10-12-2008, 03:17 PM
I just heard on a radio station out of Cincy that ACORN has registered 666,000 new voters in Ohio alone. Remember that Bush only won Ohio by 100k in 04.

Check out what they did in Indiana

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2008/10/10/griffin.acorn.elex.fraud.cnn


This election will be tainted by ACORN no matter who wins.............but you know they aren't voting for Obama................

Considering Obama's campaign gave them only 800k to do this work, this is the cheapest stolen election in the history of the world........at least on a national level

Question....Does ACORN and it's siblings have to disclose donations rec'd?

Reason I ask is that low profile radio stations here in 2004 ran ads w/ ACORN asking for volunteers and donations. If donations are flowing in to ACORN, it'd be nice to know who they're coming from and how much (outside of taxpayer's $$).

dav4463
10-12-2008, 06:22 PM
Bus in the homeless, give them cigarettes and booze in exchange for votes. Try to lose the absentee ballots from the military, too many of those vote Republican. Make sure those dead people's votes get counted too........It's the Democratic way.

Tom
10-12-2008, 07:36 PM
That is exactly how JFK won - he cheated. Plain and simple, he was a stinking cheat. And was the best of the dems in modern history, a steenking cheeeet.
And it was Chicago that helped.....great American city. Smells worse than day old cabbage.

pandy
10-12-2008, 08:15 PM
How can this be happening?
Voter fraud in all the key states?
Is this how Obama got elected in the first place to the State Senate and then to the U.S. Senate?
Disgusting!!!!!! :mad:

Obama got the nomination unopposed after his laywers managed to get the other candidates ballots thrown out, classic Chicago style politics.

Hank
10-12-2008, 08:37 PM
There there babies it will be ok.:lol:

Tom
10-12-2008, 09:42 PM
That a baby pic of your boy, Hank? Whining HUSSEIN?
Seems Obama is pretty much a girly-man coward - afraid of criticism, needs hired thugs to protect him....what a little POS wimp. He's not fit to clean McCain's toilet.

PaceAdvantage
10-13-2008, 03:10 AM
The far-left considers ALL OF THIS payback. They have been so damaged to the core by Bush Derangement Syndrome that they believe anything and everything is fair game.

They have you over a barrel now. They are more than playing hardball and playing for keeps.

Have fun with all the programs this completely Democrat-controlled government is going to pass, not to mention Supreme Court nominations.

But please McCain, tell me more about your hero Teddy Roosevelt.....TEDDY FREAKIN' ROOSEVELT!!!! Are you kidding me? Is this some sort of a joke?

Bubba X
10-13-2008, 09:38 PM
Really, now. All this pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth by the GOP faithful over ACORN.

My question is this: What crime have they committed?

Of course, all of you know that any registration taken by any organization MUST be turned into election officials who are responsible for evaluating the veracity and validity of the registration. Questionable ACORN registrations are flagged by, oh yeah, ACORN. Under law, they must send them on.

And really, you all must certainly know anyone who does not register to vote in person at their county office or polling place is REQUIRED to show photo ID the first time they vote.

So, it is doubtful that Donald Duck, though he may have registered, is going to be able to vote.

The Far-Right controlled press has done a lousy job of covering this. Just take a look at the crazed headline on Rupert Murdoch's rag today.

The only thing ACORN is guilty of is doing a hell of a good job registering low-income voters. Can anyone be surprised that the folks left to turn out the lights on the McCain campaign are banging their rattles in a deafening roar?

The misguided GOP folks who are trying to make ACORN an issue are the same folks who believe it is a good thing to temper low-income voter registrtation even to the extent that they thought it was a good idea for Alberto Gonzales and George Bush to fire their own US attorneys for failing to bring fake charges of voter fraud in key states like Nevada and Missouri.

The Republican party took shortcuts and were lazy for this election. Then, they got a lousy candidate nominated. Now, they are faced with not only tying their fate to the ACORN issue but do so with what has to be the bitter pill of knowing Obama has the audacity to do legal work on their behalf.

It has been interesting to watch the Far-Right media chase after these b.s. issues like a dog chasing leaves. First it is Wright. Then Ayers. Then ACORN.

Just like a dog chases a new leaf every few seconds.

Tom
10-13-2008, 11:01 PM
Man you ramble on. Do you have a clue what you are talking about?
Obama needs folks like you....shut up and drink.:lol:

ElKabong
10-13-2008, 11:42 PM
Really, now. All this pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth by the GOP faithful over ACORN.

My question is this: What crime have they committed?.


Since the FBI is crawling up ACORN's ass at the moment, you'll find out soon.

Also you can google past ACORN crimes and get a temporary answer....But it will pale to what's going to be found in 2008.

ArlJim78
10-14-2008, 12:50 PM
Really, now. All this pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth by the GOP faithful over ACORN.

My question is this: What crime have they committed?

Of course, all of you know that any registration taken by any organization MUST be turned into election officials who are responsible for evaluating the veracity and validity of the registration. Questionable ACORN registrations are flagged by, oh yeah, ACORN. Under law, they must send them on.

And really, you all must certainly know anyone who does not register to vote in person at their county office or polling place is REQUIRED to show photo ID the first time they vote.

So, it is doubtful that Donald Duck, though he may have registered, is going to be able to vote.

The Far-Right controlled press has done a lousy job of covering this. Just take a look at the crazed headline on Rupert Murdoch's rag today.

The only thing ACORN is guilty of is doing a hell of a good job registering low-income voters.

we're going to find out real soon what crimes have been commited. if you think its going to be explained away as merely overly exuberant voter registration you're dreaming.

The first RICO suit filed in Ohio today, expect many more. The mask has been lifted on this whole fraud and the time has come to shut it down.

http://buckeyeinstitute.org/article/1207

mostpost
10-14-2008, 09:08 PM
Man you ramble on. Do you have a clue what you are talking about?
Obama needs folks like you....shut up and drink.:lol:

Actually, "Bubba X's post is quite intelligent and factual. Unlike most of the stuff on this thread. To reiterate:
1 Registrations are collected by temporary hired employees who are paid piece work. The more they collect the more they get paid.
2. ACORN is required to turn in ALL registration forms which their "employees" collected.
3. The improper registration forms were FLAGGED BY ACORN as having problems,
not discovered afterwards.
4. It is then up to election officials in the various jurisdictions to purge those registrations

exactaplayer
10-14-2008, 09:50 PM
It has been interesting to watch the Far-Right media chase after these b.s. issues like a dog chasing leaves. First it is Wright. Then Ayers. Then ACORN.

Just like a dog chases a new leaf every few seconds.

They want to avoid having to talk about issues.

JustRalph
10-14-2008, 10:16 PM
ACORN has really screwed the pooch on the election process now.............no way any results from Ohio with Obama on top aren't questioned..........

The 6th Circuit Court just shit in Obama's cornflakes..........

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27188603/

Ohio must set up a way to verify all new voters
Federal appeals court rules the system must be in place before Friday

CINCINNATI - A federal appeals court on Tuesday ordered Ohio's top elections official to set up a system by Friday to verify the eligibility of new voters and make the information available to the state's 88 county election boards.

The full 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati upheld a lower court ruling that Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner must use other government records to check thousands of new voters for registration fraud.

A three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit had disagreed last week, but the full court's ruling overturns that decision.

Ohio Republicans had sued Brunner, a Democrat. Her spokesman had no immediate comment Tuesday.

666,000 registrations since January
About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January, with many doing so before the contested Democratic primary election last March between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Since then, Ohio Republicans have filed a series of challenges to the registrations and Brunner's administration of election rules. They have helped voters file lawsuits against local boards of election over registration rules, absentee ballot requests and a weeklong period that allowed registration and voting on the same day.

Brunner previously said there was no way to set up the system with such speed.

Last week, a three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit had sided with Brunner, but after hearing an appeal the full panel sided with the GOP and U.S. District Judge George C. Smith in Columbus. Smith had ordered Brunner to develop a way to verify voter registration information and make it available to local election boards.

Brunner argued that it would take two to three days to create the necessary computer programs, and said nothing in the federal Help America Vote Act required her to do what the district court ordered.

GOP alleges partisan agenda
Tuesday's order directs Brunner to verify new registrations by comparing that information with data from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles or the Social Security Administration.

Ohio Republican Chairman Bob Bennett accused Brunner of pursuing a partisan agenda and said "her delay in providing this matching system leaves little time for election officials to act on questionable registrations."

Bennett said Brunner was destroying the public's trust in Ohio's elections system.

"Her shameful actions to disenfranchise Republican absentee voters, block the transparency of early voting and refuse the proper verification of newly registered voters have rightfully damaged her credibility as a nonpartisan election administrator," he said.

~more at the link~

RaceBookJoe
10-14-2008, 10:51 PM
Hey Ralph..them are gonna be some nasty tastin' cornflakes haha.

mostpost
10-14-2008, 11:52 PM
I just read where ACORN has registered about 1.3 Million new voters. The number of questionable registrations, as far as can be determined, is around 13000. The error rate is 1%. I wish my handicapping had a 1% error rate.

ElKabong
10-15-2008, 12:25 AM
I just read where ACORN has registered about 1.3 Million new voters. The number of questionable registrations, as far as can be determined, is around 13000. The error rate is 1%. I wish my handicapping had a 1% error rate.


Verify your #s with facts.

I can guarantee you more than 1% WILL BE TOSSED OUT

Boris
10-15-2008, 06:40 PM
seeing the disasterous way this group has helped to shape housing (Fannie/Freddie), and elections (fraud everywhere), I can't wait to see their ideas for how to shape the policies of an Obama presidency.

Perhaps you should read their "People's Platform".

ACORN People's Platform
Preamble
We stand for a People's Platform, as old as our country, and as young as our dreams. We come before our nation, not to petition with hat in hand, but to rise as one people and demand.



We have waited and watched. We have hoped and helped. We have sweated and suffered. We have often believed. We have frequently followed.



But we have nothing to show for the work of our hand, the tax of our labor. Our patience has been abused; our experience misused. Our silence has been seen as support. Our struggle has been ignored.



Enough is enough. We will wait no longer for the crumbs at America's door. We will not be meek, but mighty. We will not starve on past promises, but feast on future dreams.



We are an uncommon people. We are the majority, forged from all minorities. We are the masses of many, not the forces of few. We will continue our fight until the American way is just one way, until we have shared the wealth, until we have won our freedom.



This is not a simple vision, but a detailed plan.



Our plan is to build an American reality from the American rhetoric, to deliver a piece of the present and the fruits of the future to every man, to every woman, to every family.



We demand our birthright: the chance to be rich, the right to be free.



Our riches shall be the blooming of our communities, the bounty of a sure livelihood, the beauty of homes for our families with sickness driven from the door, the benefit of our taxes rather than their burden, and the best of our energy, land, and natural resources for all people.



Our freedom is the force of democracy, not the farce of federal fat and personal profit. In our freedom, only the people shall rule. Corporations shall have their role; producing jobs, providing products, paying taxes. No more, no less. They shall obey our wishes, respond to our needs, serve our communities. Our country shall be the citizens' wealth and our wealth shall build our country.



Government shall have its role: public servant to our good, fast follower to our sure steps. No more, no less. Our government shall shout with the public voice and no longer to a private whisper. In our government, the common concerns shall be the collective cause.



We represent a people's platform, not a politician's promise.



We demand the changes outlined in our platform and plan. We will work to win. We will have our birthright. We will live in richness and freedom. We will live in one country as one people.

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=720

Tom
10-15-2008, 06:53 PM
Community organizers.
Obama's people. Looking for a free ride.
Typical.

This is exactly what Rush was talking about.
Obama has surrounded himself with nuts, haters, bigots, racists, communists, and anyone looking for a free ride. Like flies to a huge POS.

mostpost
10-17-2008, 06:50 PM
ACORN has really screwed the pooch on the election process now.............no way any results from Ohio with Obama on top aren't questioned..........

The 6th Circuit Court just shit in Obama's cornflakes..........

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27188603/

Ohio must set up a way to verify all new voters
Federal appeals court rules the system must be in place before Friday

CINCINNATI - A federal appeals court on Tuesday ordered Ohio's top elections offici al to set up a system by Friday to verify the eligibility of new voters and make the information available to the state's 88 county election boards.

The full 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati upheld a lower court ruling that Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner must use other government records to check thousands of new voters for registration fraud.

A three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit had disagreed last week, but the full court's ruling overturns that decision.

Ohio Republicans had sued Brunner, a Democrat. Her spokesman had no immediate comment Tuesday.

666,000 registrations since January
About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January, with many doing so before the contested Democratic primary election last March between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Since then, Ohio Republicans have filed a series of challenges to the registrations and Brunner's administration of election rules. They have helped voters file lawsuits against local boards of election over registration rules, absentee ballot requests and a weeklong period that allowed registration and voting on the same day.

Brunner previously said there was no way to set up the system with such speed.

Last week, a three-judge panel of the 6th Circuit had sided with Brunner, but after hearing an appeal the full panel sided with the GOP and U.S. District Judge George C. Smith in Columbus. Smith had ordered Brunner to develop a way to verify voter registration information and make it available to local election boards.

Brunner argued that it would take two to three days to create the necessary computer programs, and said nothing in the federal Help America Vote Act required her to do what the district court ordered.

GOP alleges partisan agenda
Tuesday's order directs Brunner to verify new registrations by comparing that information with data from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles or the Social Security Administration.

Ohio Republican Chairman Bob Bennett accused Brunner of pursuing a partisan agenda and said "her delay in providing this matching system leaves little time for election officials to act on questionable registrations."

Bennett said Brunner was destroying the public's trust in Ohio's elections system.

"Her shameful actions to disenfranchise Republican absentee voters, block the transparency of early voting and refuse the proper verification of newly registered voters have rightfully damaged her credibility as a nonpartisan election administrator," he said.

~more at the link~
The U.S Supreme Court has just reversed the 6th Circuit Court. You remember the U.S. Supreme Court. The one with Scalia and Thomas And Roberts and Alito. The case is Brunner vs. The Republican Party of Ohio.

Tom
10-17-2008, 07:20 PM
The same court that handed Bush the election??????

JustRalph
10-17-2008, 09:01 PM
remember this is a kangaroo court............ isn't that what the libs said?

We can't trust them..........they are crooks!!!

They just handed Obama 100k votes............


I am told thru the grapevine that Repub prosecutors are planning on filing felony charges for the next two years in Ohio counties........when enough people go to prison............ this shit will stop in the next election

Tom
10-17-2008, 11:43 PM
No it won't, ACORN/Obama register felons.
Besides, Obama can pardon them all.


Sad day for justice....

Community Organizers: Mind if we cheat?
KKKourt: Go ahead

The shit stops when we take to the streets. Not until.

JustRalph
10-18-2008, 01:38 AM
they may love him, but not enough to go to jail for a year............

ElKabong
10-18-2008, 02:39 AM
remember this is a kangaroo court............ isn't that what the libs said?

We can't trust them..........they are crooks!!!

They just handed Obama 100k votes............


I am told thru the grapevine that Repub prosecutors are planning on filing felony charges for the next two years in Ohio counties........when enough people go to prison............ this shit will stop in the next election

I hope you're right, but I think the opposite will happen. The dems will have 60+ in the senate and will gain power in the house as well. They'll push legislation and payback ACORN for their "work" by passing the nonsense of a prescribed % of certain types of mortgages earmarked to go to ACORN and its sibling orgs.

These orgs will have their foot in the door in DC bigtime and it will be hell getting them out (if this comes to pass). Michelle 0bama said she and Dumbo were out to change the face of America, back before super tuesday. People had better put 2 + 2 together before 11/4 and stop this bullshit.

Tom
10-18-2008, 10:14 AM
Letting terror loving HUSSEIN in the white house is like letting a flea-infested dog into your house....you will be trying to get rid of the infestation forever.
We need a big can of Nobama Spray.

wonatthewire1
10-18-2008, 02:20 PM
These orgs will have their foot in the door in DC bigtime and it will be hell getting them out (if this comes to pass). Michelle 0bama said she and Dumbo were out to change the face of America, back before super tuesday. People had better put 2 + 2 together before 11/4 and stop this bullshit.

I can see where you're coming from, but the Evangelicals thought the same thing putting the Bushwacker into office and barely got anything back for their vote. Abortion still available. Sex ed still being taught. You get the picture.

Maybe the promise is always there, but the those that rule the roost in the cartoon that is Washingtoon always find a way to get around what they don't really want to do.

JustRalph
10-21-2008, 03:30 AM
I am told thru the grapevine that Repub prosecutors are planning on filing felony charges for the next two years in Ohio counties........when enough people go to prison............ this shit will stop in the next election

And so it begins..................

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081020/NEWS0106/310200039

Deters wants votes quarantined

By Kimball Perry and Barry Horstman
kperry@enquirer.com and bhorstman@enquirer.com

Adding another layer of murk to Ohio’s already cloudy election picture, Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters wants about 600 votes cast here between Sept. 30 and Oct. 6 to be quarantined and not counted until officials investigate allegations of voter fraud.

“There are stricter standards in Ohio to buy beer than to vote,” Deters said Monday. “We know of certain voter fraud.”

Top local Democratic election officials, however, caustically dismissed Republican Deters’ move as a “witch-hunt” designed to intimidate potential voters and lower turnout – particularly, Democratic turnout.

“There has not been a single problem with voter fraud to my knowledge in the 15 years I’ve been on this board,” said Tim Burke, chairman of the Hamilton County Democratic Party and one of two Democrats on the Hamilton County Board of Elections.

“Now Prosecutor Deters apparently has decided it might be a problem … and has prejudged the outcome of his investigation already.”

At a Columbus news conference with other Democratic leaders, Gov. Ted Strickland accused Republicans of trying “to instill fear in Ohio voters” and distract voters from the economy and other issues.

“It’s clear Republicans are using a systematic and coordinated effort of frivolous lawsuits and official government positions to … suppress voters,” added Democratic U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown.

In Hamilton County, it may be left to competing special prosecutors to determine what, if any, action should be taken in regard to the complaints about possible voter fraud.

Deters, Southwest Ohio regional chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, Monday took his office out of the investigation after Democratic officials and others complained that Deters’ involvement raised at least the appearance of partisanship. Republican Common Pleas Judge Norbert Nadel then appointed Mike O’Neill, a Republican who formerly worked for Deters, special prosecutor in the case.

In response, Burke and fellow elections board Democrat Dan Radford sought late Monday to have the board hire its own special prosecutor to advise it how to answer any action by special prosecutor O’Neill.

Deters’ office normally represents the elections board on legal matters. Burke, however, argued that if Deters “had a conflict on that end that led him to get a special prosecutor, then he also has a conflict on this end, too.”

The elections board deadlocked 2-2 on Burke’s motion, with the two Democrats supporting it and Republicans Alex Triantafilou and Charles Gerhardt opposing it. That means the question will be forwarded, probably Tuesday to Democratic Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to break the tie.

Triantafilou, chairman of the Hamilton County Republican Party, said he sees no reason for the elections board to be concerned about a special prosecutor trying to ferret out any improper registrations or potentially fraudulent votes.

“I don’t see a prosecutor prosecuting illegal acts as adverse to us,” he said.

Burke, though, argued that by state law, the elections board is where any suspicious registrations should initially be investigated. If irregularities cannot be cleared up, the board then can refer the matter to the prosecutor for possible legal action.

But by getting a special prosecutor involved, Deters “is preventing us from doing our job,” Burke said.

Burke also noted that in past elections, when improper voter registrations surfaced, the elections board’s routine monitoring and checking prevented fraudulent votes from being cast. There is no reason the board could not do the same again this year, he added.

Gerhardt, however, was not so sanguine, pointed out that local elections officials have found that roughly one quarter of about 40,000 recent new voter registrations were duplicates. Given the likelihood that other registrations also are problematic, Gerhardt said he believes extraordinary steps are needed to prevent the improper registrations from translating into illegal votes.

“We’re giving them ATM cards,” Gerhardt said, drawing a banking analogy. “We should be concerned they might start withdrawing money.”

Beyond disagreeing on the need for a special investigation, the two sides also could not agree Monday on the number of votes at issue. Deters said it is 610, while Burke and elections board officials said 671 people registered and voted on the sane day between Sept. 30, when early voting began, and Oct. 6.

Deters said 166 of the 610 registrations his office looked at could not be found and another 100 did not have the same address listed in other government data bases. That means, Deters said, about 40 percent of those 610 who registered and voted that week cast questionable ballots – and should be investigated.

Deters wants those 610 ballots set aside until they are proved to have been cast by legal Hamilton County residents. Otherwise they are scheduled to be commingled with other early votes by the end of the week.

The 610 voters, Deters said, did not have to show identification to register and vote, but rather simply had to give the last four digits of their Social Security number or driver’s license number.

Deters’ office began investigating, along with the Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office, after receiving complaints about people being bribed with money, cigarettes and booze to vote.“During that (period) it was a free for all,” Deters said.

One person, Deters said, has “confessed” to that and likely will face criminal charges of voter fraud.

“They could face prison and you know what? I hope they do face prison,” Deters said.

Despite deciding to step aside in the investigation, Deters dismissed suggestions that his complaints are driven by politics.

“I’m not trying to stop anybody from voting,” he said. “The people we’ve looked at have already voted. Ironically, I don’t know who they voted for.

“If our goal was for political benefit, we could have returned indictments (for voter fraud) today. If you’re a registered voter in Ohio, go vote.”

In order for those ballots not to be mixed with other ballots by the end of the week, the special prosecutor would have to ask a judge for a court order to that effect.

O’Neill, 31, the former assistant Hamilton County prosecutor appointed special prosecutor by Nadel, had been hired by then-Prosecutor Mike Allen and worked for Deters for a year before becoming a private attorney.

~more at the link~

JustRalph
10-22-2008, 11:03 PM
Prosecutor Considers Charges Of Voter Fraud

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 - 04:28 PM Updated: 05:48 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The Franklin County prosecutor is considering bringing charges against a group of people who registered to vote in Ohio, but may not live here.

Prosecutor Ron O'Brien told NBC 4's Mikaela Hunt he wants to make a decision by Friday.

In the meantime, the county board of elections is finding out about more alleged voter registration fraud.

The prosecutor's office has been tipped off to more than 40 questionable voters.

"Some (tips) have come from the media. Some have come via e-mail. Some of come by phone calls," O'Brien said.

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Oct. 16: Prosecutors Look Into Possible Voter Fraud
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O'Brien said he is investigating 13 people who registered to vote using the same address -- a home on Brownlee Avenue on the city's far east side. Five of the residents have already cast ballots.

But in the meantime, the board of elections must decide if the voters in the house are eligible to vote and the same will be done for voters identified through the other tips.

According to the Ohio constitution, in order to vote, you must be a resident of the state 30 days prior to the election.

According to a lengthy section of the Ohio Revised code titled Residency Determination Rules, voters must also be planning on living in Ohio for a while.

The secretary of state said if the board finds a problem within the scope of rules, it's enough to hold back on counting a vote.

"The board does have, as you alluded to, the opportunity to segregate ballots that are still under inquiry and not open them right away," O'Brien said.

The board said it plans to do just that.

~more at the link~