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barn32
09-28-2008, 11:59 AM
McCain is a Gambler (http://electoral-vote.com/index.html)

Everyone knows about McCain's political gambles--picking an unknown governor as running mate, suspending his campaign to fly to Washington to try to help negotiate the bailout bill, etc. But in real life he really is a gambler who enjoys frequenting casinos. As former chairman of the Indian affairs committee in the Senate, he has had a huge impact on the laws regulating Indian gambling. He also is very close with lobbyists for the $26 billion/year gambling industry as are many of his top advisors. The NY Times has a scoop (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin) on McCain's numerous ties to the gambling industry. Part of the reason he lost the nomination in 2000 is that although few people know McCain is a lifelong gambler, evangelicals know this and oppose gambling. Even in 2008 they are still cool to him, although the choice of Sarah Palin helps a lot.

How to Bail Out Wall St. at No Cost to the Taxpayers

Thom Hartmann wrote an interesting piece on how to bail out Wall St. without costing the taxpayers a dime. The idea is to create a new government agency to manage the baoilout. The treasury would then loan it money to bail out Wall St. firms that are in trouble. The government would then institute a Securities Turnover Excise Tax (http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/26) of 0.25% on stock trades with revenues going to the new agency. For long-term investors who buy stock in companies they believe in and keep it for years adding a quarter of 1% to the cost hardly matters, and even to speculators it is not huge. It is estimated that such a tax would generate at least $150 billion a year, so the $700 billion load would be paid off in 5 years. The US has had such a tax in the past and used it to finance the Civil War, Spanish-American War, WWI and WWII. Many other countries have a similar tax. This proposal is clearly a viable alternative to either giving Wall St. $700 billion as a freebie or even getting stock in return for the money. Wall St. managers might even prefer it to a plan that limited their future compensation. Mother Jones lists yet five more alternative bailout plans (http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9955_five_alternative_different_bailout_plans.html ).

Poll

Democracy Corps ran a 45-person focus group (http://www.democracycorps.com/focus/2008/09/first-presidential-debate-obama-makes-important-personal-and-national-security-gains/) in St. Louis. The group was heavily tilted towards the Republicans, with 33% identifying as Republicans, 27% identifying as Democrats, and the rest independents. The group as a whole voted for Bush over Kerry by a 2-to-1 margin in 2004. Nevertheless, by a 38% to 27% margin, they felt that Obama won the debate.

Tom
09-28-2008, 12:09 PM
Is he:
a Gambler, I dunno.
a Sell out, yes he is.
a Traitor, certainly.
a Rat Bastard lying SOS......of course.
Going to regret his sell out...yes.....Uncle Geezer has burned his last bridge...now way conservatives support this waste of skin anymore.

GD John McCain

DJofSD
09-28-2008, 12:46 PM
The real gambler is the voter. We've to choose between a 72 year old fart that thinks he's a maverick and a liar who's in bed with the people that have brought the US to the brink of a huge financial meltdown.

DRIVEWAY
09-28-2008, 12:52 PM
Is he:
a Gambler, I dunno.
a Sell out, yes he is.
a Traitor, certainly.
a Rat Bastard lying SOS......of course.
Going to regret his sell out...yes.....Uncle Geezer has burned his last bridge...now way conservatives support this waste of skin anymore.

GD John McCain

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RaceBookJoe
09-28-2008, 02:16 PM
The real gambler is the voter. We've to choose between a 72 year old fart that thinks he's a maverick and a liar who's in bed with the people that have brought the US to the brink of a huge financial meltdown.

The're both selling kool-aid......only difference is one is mixed with arsenic, the other with cyanide. rbj

Valuist
09-28-2008, 03:10 PM
Considering McCain was a strong backer of John Kyl's anti off-shore wagering bill, I would say he's definitely not on the gambler's side. Maybe he's on the NTRA or NFL's side, but definitely not on the side of the players.

Marshall Bennett
09-28-2008, 04:17 PM
Beleive its a toss-up as to who gets elected , but a sure-thing that whoever gets elected is a failure . Obama hasn't a clue when it comes to leadership or experience , McCain has the experience , but not in areas most Americans are concerned about . Coupled with a house & senate thats already a confirmed failure . I'd never gamble any of my money on these candidates as any means of success . :confused:

Tom
09-28-2008, 04:40 PM
I am writing in a vote for Osama Bin Laden...at least we know who we get with him. A vote for either of the SOBs is a waste. So send a message.

dutchboy
09-28-2008, 05:58 PM
Read the 3 page story in section one of the New York Times and you will have your answer.

pandy
09-28-2008, 08:56 PM
Although I like McCain, I agree that neither one of these candidates are likely to have a productive presidency. We desperately need either a 3rd party or an independent. My guess is that sometime in the next 20 years or so an independent will run and win, and he or she will probably be a businessman, someone like a Donald Trump, who will cut spending and taxes by about 50% and the economy will soar. Eventually the public is going to wake up and realize that we can't have the gov't taking half of our money if we want a successful capitalistic society.

JustRalph
09-28-2008, 10:27 PM
Read the 3 page story in section one of the New York Times and you will have your answer.


only one problem, it's the NY Times.........nobody trusts them and they are blatantly left wing................

RaceBookJoe
09-28-2008, 10:37 PM
Although I like McCain, I agree that neither one of these candidates are likely to have a productive presidency. We desperately need either a 3rd party or an independent. My guess is that sometime in the next 20 years or so an independent will run and win, and he or she will probably be a businessman, someone like a Donald Trump, who will cut spending and taxes by about 50% and the economy will soar. Eventually the public is going to wake up and realize that we can't have the gov't taking half of our money if we want a successful capitalistic society.

Funny you say that, i think Trump would do ok. I voted for Perot , figured politicians werent doing a good job, letstry a businessman. Mark Cuban had an interesting idea on the bailout situation....he was on some show on fox this morning, maybe yesterday. Something like setting up an ETF and letting people invest in it....dont really remember the full idea. rbj

NJ Stinks
09-28-2008, 10:45 PM
Considering McCain was a strong backer of John Kyl's anti off-shore wagering bill, I would say he's definitely not on the gambler's side. Maybe he's on the NTRA or NFL's side, but definitely not on the side of the players.

McCain & Kyl are/were against betting on college sports in Vegas too.

Does the country really need these two guys legislating sports betting? :bang:

pandy
09-28-2008, 11:12 PM
only one problem, it's the NY Times.........nobody trusts them and they are blatantly left wing................

Liberals not only TRUST the NY times, it's their Bible.

Tom
09-28-2008, 11:23 PM
"All the news that's fit to spin"

PaceAdvantage
09-29-2008, 02:25 AM
I am writing in a vote for Osama Bin Laden...at least we know who we get with him. A vote for either of the SOBs is a waste. So send a message.Holy cow I think you've finally lost it!

Sit down for a minute, think about everything Obama stands for, and then do the same with McCain.

Now realize these two are the only real choices we have, whether you like that or not (and I know YOU don't like that).

Now, understanding all of the above, if you don't do everything you can to ensure McCain wins, well, then I have nothing more to say.

dav4463
09-29-2008, 03:25 AM
If Mark Cuban ever became president, I would definitely leave the country!

Tom
09-29-2008, 07:41 AM
PA, I agree O'Bama is the worst possible choice.
McCain is next. I do not know what he stands for. He certainly is a traitor to conservatism. I do not trust him on iota.
I won't write in Osama, but I will write in someone appropriate...

I'm not playing the game anymore. I do not support the system.
We have become the U.S.S.A.

JustRalph
09-29-2008, 08:45 AM
Is McCain a gambler? He landed an airplane on an aircraft carrier.........anybody that can do that........is a gambler........ :lol:

Tom
09-29-2008, 11:24 AM
I suspect that if Obama is our next president, he also be our last.