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JustRalph
09-20-2008, 10:55 PM
I couldn't agree more with this article........................

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09202008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/our_sister_sarah_palins_anti_elitist_cha_129908.ht m?page=0


I KNOW Sarah Palin, and so does my wife.

Neither of us ever actually met the governor of Alaska, but we grew up with her - in the small-town America despised by the leftwing elite.

One gal-pal classmate of my wife's has even traveled from New York's Finger Lakes to Alaska to hunt moose with her husband. (Got one, too.) And no, Ms. Streisand, she isn't a redneck missing half her teeth - she's a lawyer.

The sneering elites and their mediacrat fellow travelers just don't get it: How on earth could anyone vote for someone who didn't attend an Ivy League school? And having more than 1.7 children marks any woman as a rube. (If Palin had any taste, her teenage daughter would've had a quiet abortion in a discreet facility.)

And what kind of retro-Barbie would stay happily married to her high-school sweetheart? Ugh. She even kills animals and eats them. (The meat and fish served in the upscale bistros patronized by Obama supporters appears by magic - it didn't really come from living things. . .)


Palin has that hick accent, too. And that busy-mom beehive 'do. Double ugh! Bet she hasn't even read Ian McEwan's latest novel and can't explain Frank Gehry's vision for a new architecture. She and her blue-collar (triple ugh!) husband don't even own a McMansion, let alone an inherited family compound on the Cape.

And she wants to be vice president?

The opinion-maker elites see Sarah Palin clearly every time they look up from another sneering article in The New Yorker: She's a country-bumpkin chumpette from a hick state with low latte availability. She's not one of them and never will be. That's the real disqualifier in this race.

Now let me tell you what those postmodern bigots with their multiple vacation homes and their disappointing trust-fund kids don't see:

Sarah Palin's one of us. She actually represents the American people.

When The New York Times, CNN, the NBC basket of basket cases and all the barking blog dogs insult Palin, they're insulting us. When they smear her, they're smearing every American who actually works for a living, who doesn't expect a handout, who doesn't have a full-time accountant to parse the family taxes, who believes in the Pledge of Allegiance and who thinks a church is more than just a tedious stop on daughter Emily's 100K wedding day.

Go ahead, faux feminists and Hollywood deep thinkers: Snicker at Sarah America's degree from the University of Idaho, but remember that most Americans didn't attend Harvard or Princeton as a legacy after daddy donated enough to buy his kid's way in.

Go ahead, campaign strategists: Mock Americans who go to church and actually pray. But you might want to run the Census numbers first.

And go right ahead: Dismiss all of us who remember how, on the first day of deer season, our high school classrooms were half empty (not a problem at Andover or Exeter).

That rube accent of Palin's? It's a howler. But she sounds a lot more like the rest of us than a Harvard man or a Smithie ever will.

Why does Sarah Palin energize all of us who don't belong to the gilded leftwing circle? Because she's us. We sat beside her in class. We hung out after school (might've even shared a backseat combat zone on prom night). And now she lives next door, raising her kids.

For the first time since Ronald Reagan, our last great president, we, the people, see a chance that one of us might have a voice in governing our country.

Speaking of Reagan (Eureka College, Illinois), every chief executive we've had since the Gipper snapped his final salute as president has had the imprimatur of an Ivy League university. And we've gone from bad to worse:

* George Herbert Walker Bush: Yale.

* William Jefferson Clinton: Georgetown, Oxford, Yale Law.

* George W. Bush: Yale and Harvard Business School.

The first lacked the sense to finish the job in Desert Storm; the second lacked the guts to go after al Qaeda when it was just a startup - and the third, well, let's just say he disappointed our low expectations.

Now we have the Ivy League elite's "he's not only like us but he's a minority and we're so wonderful to support him" candidate, Sen. Barack Obama (Columbia and Harvard Law).

Our country can't afford another one of these clowns. Harvard isn't the answer - Harvard's the problem.

~more at the link~

NJ Stinks
09-20-2008, 11:58 PM
Rupert Murdoch loses $50 million a year on the NY Post alone to buy influence. JustRalph bought it. :ThmbDown:

Palin is one of something I would never want to be. I'm glad Murdoch wasted his money pointing that out to me.

I couldn't agree less with this nonsense.

boxcar
09-21-2008, 12:14 AM
Palin is one of something I would never want to be.

We know that. You're as happy as a piglet in the mud being a snobbish, brainwashed, two-bit phony, pseudo-intellectual elitist whose favorite pastime is looking down your condescending snout at real people thinking how much superior to them you are. In short: You're everything Palin isn't!

Boxcar

NJ Stinks
09-21-2008, 12:19 AM
We know that. You're as happy as a piglet in the mud being a snobbish, brainwashed, two-bit phony, pseudo-intellectual elitist whose favorite pastime is looking down your condescending snout at real people thinking how much superior to them you are. In short: You're everything Palin isn't!

Boxcar

Thank God.

JustRalph
09-21-2008, 12:22 AM
We know that. You're as happy as a piglet in the mud being a snobbish, brainwashed, two-bit phony, pseudo-intellectual elitist whose favorite pastime is looking down your condescending snout at real people thinking how much superior to them you are. In short: You're everything Palin isn't! Boxcar

Couldn't have said it better! :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

boxcar
09-21-2008, 12:33 AM
Thank God.

We also knew you'd be stupid enough to think that I was laying the compliments on thick.

Boxcar

Tom
09-21-2008, 01:52 AM
If nothing else, Sara has them wetting their pants!:lol:

OTM Al
09-21-2008, 08:42 AM
This article really points out how people are being played with statements like

"but we grew up with her - in the small-town America despised by the leftwing elite"

All us vs them like its some pro-wrestling "contest". Hatred toward big cities, hatred towards the educated. Ignorance is the answer people! The dumber we are the happier we will be!

Notice, I am not criticizing Ms. Palin in this, but rather the mentality that is selling her. She really isn't "us", whatever that is supposed to mean, not any more anyway, but these guys sure know what sells.

boxcar
09-21-2008, 08:55 AM
This article really points out how people are being played with statements like

"but we grew up with her - in the small-town America despised by the leftwing elite"

All us vs them like its some pro-wrestling "contest". Hatred toward big cities, hatred towards the educated. Ignorance is the answer people! The dumber we are the happier we will be!

Notice, I am not criticizing Ms. Palin in this, but rather the mentality that is selling her. She really isn't "us", whatever that is supposed to mean, not any more anyway, but these guys sure know what sells.

Hey, Big Al, you're out of touch with reality. The Post article pretty much hits the mark. Remember NoBam's remarks about how rural America -- middle America -- clings to its guns and religion out of fear? The "us vs. them" mentality is as old as dirt -- and "them" were the ones who started it.

Boxcar

Miss Disco
09-21-2008, 11:22 AM
JRalph you nailed it.

"She is me!"--that is how many women feel about Gov. Palin.

I was reared a Democrat- Father was a union worker -aka The Oppressed. I also bought in to the crap promoted by the NOW gang.
I soon found out how incorrect and out of touch they are when it comes to real life, and what you know in your heart about right and wrong.

For heaven sake, what is wrong with being a woman and getting married and having children? Why are you treated as a lesser woman if you are "only" a housewife? And here is Gov Palin, doing exactly what the libs espouse: Full time job, power position, hear me roar-but she louses it up with a :1: . Marriage and :2: . all those Children! :rolleyes: (ooh, ick, what is she a fertility symbol? Dear, get a nanny...)

I know quite a few women of liberal tendencies who told me yes they would love a woman pres, but-as far as Hillary Clinton-they said "Not THAT woman!"

But these same woman are very favorable to Palin. She reaches many of them.

She at least bolsters McCain, whom I am not really pleased with.

end of soapbox.

OTM Al
09-21-2008, 12:02 PM
No, I'm just not in touch with your version of reality. I've lived in small towns and in big cities and I know what sells in each and this is simply a sale. This article is ridiculous. Bill Clinton derided for the education he was able to work for and earn just shows all this is is another straw man arguement and this time the straw man is learning. Trashing both Bushes is just another strategy for a sale. The son may have been a poor student but I guarantee you the father was not. Reagan was an actor, so I'm sure college choice to him was no big deal, but then again that long ago any college work was commendable. I'm sure ignorance is blissful for you. You seem to use it to justify about everything you write.

HUSKER55
09-21-2008, 12:41 PM
I never inhaled therefore I never did drugs

you're an idiot if you believe that, but wait,...Obama snorted coke...

Is there a connection? Yes. They both are on drugs. They admitted it.


That makes everything fine.

NJ Stinks
09-21-2008, 12:45 PM
JRalph you nailed it.

"She is me!"--that is how many women feel about Gov. Palin.

I was reared a Democrat- Father was a union worker -aka The Oppressed. I also bought in to the crap promoted by the NOW gang.
I soon found out how incorrect and out of touch they are when it comes to real life, and what you know in your heart about right and wrong.

For heaven sake, what is wrong with being a woman and getting married and having children? Why are you treated as a lesser woman if you are "only" a housewife? And here is Gov Palin, doing exactly what the libs espouse: Full time job, power position, hear me roar-but she louses it up with a :1: . Marriage and :2: . all those Children! :rolleyes: (ooh, ick, what is she a fertility symbol? Dear, get a nanny...)

I know quite a few women of liberal tendencies who told me yes they would love a woman pres, but-as far as Hillary Clinton-they said "Not THAT woman!"

But these same woman are very favorable to Palin. She reaches many of them.

She at least bolsters McCain, whom I am not really pleased with.

end of soapbox.

Your Dad sounds like a good guy.

boxcar
09-21-2008, 12:56 PM
No, I'm just not in touch with your version of reality

Are you addressing me, Big Al?

If so, are you "in touch", then, with NoBam's "version of reality"? After all, this is the guy you're drooling over, right? Are you in agreement with his guns and religion statements?

And in your version of reality, do you think American culture is homogeneous in nature? Are you not aware of all the sub-cultures that exist in this country and all the disconnects that are consequences of those?

And we have the politically-correct Libs to thank for this in large part with all their hyphenated terms, as one example, that only serve to divide people, e.g. African-Americans, White-Hispanics, Black-Hispanics, Haitian-Americans, Native-Americans, etc., etc.

Wake up and smell the coffee, already! You have no room to speak of ignorance because the house in which you live is very fragile, sir!

Boxcar

OTM Al
09-21-2008, 02:51 PM
Yes, I am speaking to you though I don't know why I bother. I've never once seen you pay any attention to anything unless you can find a reason to insult the writer. Bet you'll have one right back for me on that mark.

I said nothing about Mr. Obama in what I said, I was speaking about you. You simply assumed that I must be speaking something political, once again showing your complete inability to reason. I am speaking to you as I have never witnessed you to come up with one original thought on your own. Once your masters speak, then you repeat. No thought, no questioning, just empty rhetoric and when you can't answer something, you simply change the subject and attack on another avenue. You preach ignorance. That's what I am addressing. Willful ignorance. The absolute inability to consider anything beyond what you are told. Some of us out here actually think the issues we in this country face are beyond regimented partisan politics, but I know that's quite a reach for you when clearly anyone who disagrees with you is an enemy of the USA.

This is much like the writer of this article that we are discussing here. He didn't dare go back one more president to talk about his schooling as it was a situation his weak and petty arguement could not handle. Jimmy Carter was educated by the US Naval Academy. First in his class by the way. Hardly an elitist upbringing. I seem to recall him being portratyed in many similar terms as Mrs Palin is now. Would the writer admit he was the answer as Mrs Palin seems to be. Oh wait, she's only running for Vice President.

Oh and I love all the reference to drug use. Have we forgotten the our current president actually had some problems with that as well. Are all those who now are against Mr Obama for this reason also against Mr Bush? Too bad the plots in this aren't of the quality of the WWE as it bears all the hallmarks of such in the way too many are behaving.

HUSKER55
09-21-2008, 03:03 PM
If memory serves, Bush's problems were SELLING. The other two were users.

That means that Hillary and Michell stood by and did nothing.

JustRalph
09-21-2008, 04:13 PM
"Miss Disco" great moniker................ :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:


JRalph you nailed it.

"She is me!"--that is how many women feel about Gov. Palin.

I was reared a Democrat- Father was a union worker -aka The Oppressed. I also bought in to the crap promoted by the NOW gang.
I soon found out how incorrect and out of touch they are when it comes to real life, and what you know in your heart about right and wrong.

For heaven sake, what is wrong with being a woman and getting married and having children? Why are you treated as a lesser woman if you are "only" a housewife? And here is Gov Palin, doing exactly what the libs espouse: Full time job, power position, hear me roar-but she louses it up with a :1: . Marriage and :2: . all those Children! :rolleyes: (ooh, ick, what is she a fertility symbol? Dear, get a nanny...)

I know quite a few women of liberal tendencies who told me yes they would love a woman pres, but-as far as Hillary Clinton-they said "Not THAT woman!"

But these same woman are very favorable to Palin. She reaches many of them.

She at least bolsters McCain, whom I am not really pleased with.

end of soapbox.

PaceAdvantage
09-21-2008, 09:16 PM
Hatred toward big cities, hatred towards the educated. Ignorance is the answer people! The dumber we are the happier we will be!How do you get this from the article? Hatred towards the educated? Are you telling me Palin's degree is not genuine? She's educated, just like the rest, correct?

Let me ask you this....if we secretly replace all of the current professors at Harvard with the same exact quality of professor at Univ. of Idaho, how long do you think it would take for the average starting salary of a Harvard grad. to start declining, if it declines at all?

OTM Al
09-21-2008, 09:53 PM
Its an outright smear on anyone who has gone to the top schools in the country just for having gone there. It espouses "good ole boys" values as the only true American ones.

"Our country can't afford another one of these clowns. Harvard isn't the answer - Harvard's the problem"

First off, though, knowing a little about faculty recruiting, you couldn't replace Harvard people with equal quality from Idaho. Quality there isn't even close. And salaries wouldn't tank instantly as long as the networking that you get from going to such a school remained in place for many disciplines, but I guarantee they'd get no where near the placement in the academic and science world as peers always are aware of quality.

I really love how so many have bought into the sale job on Palin. "Just like me". Bull. This woman is already an experienced politician and has been pretty good at it. The question is if she actually does get the job what will happen in DC. Guarantee if she tries any real "maverick" actions her own party will shut her off quicker than you can turn around. I actually don't doubt once she's served her purpose putting McCain over the top, she'll be disposed of quickly into the dust bin that the Vice Presidency most often is.

OTM Al
09-21-2008, 09:59 PM
If memory serves, Bush's problems were SELLING. The other two were users.

That means that Hillary and Michell stood by and did nothing.


So being a dealer would be more ok than just being a user? Ok......

Frankly he did both. Do a little research on the subject. Both George and Laura were heavy on the party circuit for years, to the point that George had become an embarassment to his father. I give him credit though. He wanted to clean himself up, and he did. Went the "found Jesus" route. Laura had cleaned up earlier when they had their kids. So I wouldn't get too insistant on the drug issue

Tom
09-21-2008, 10:00 PM
She is better qualified than O'bama of the plagerist Biden. Both are liars and socialists. And just why do suppose O'Bama chose Biden - proven loser - over Hillary......he's a white male. Period. They know a ticket without a white male would not go anywhere. Sara is not Miss Right, but she is Miss Right Now.:D

Amazing the tizzy she is causing......

Indulto
09-21-2008, 11:49 PM
Only in America can an elitist like Peters get away with characterizing others as such. 1984 has come and gone, but “doublespeak” is the language of the GOP. Whoops, I read a book that wasn’t required in public school. I must be an elitist too!

A lot more people graduate from college now than when I did. In those days, just getting that piece of paper opened up opportunities for me that made working at least part-time until I graduated worth the grind. Today a degree no longer guarantees opportunity, but it still does from some colleges. I’ve never fooled myself into thinking I could have gotten though Harvard even if I could have afforded it.

Not every Ivy Leaguer I worked with subsequently was impressive, but more of the people who did impress me either came from Ivy League Schools or never went to college. Those who went to graduate school at places like Harvard were far and away the most accomplished. There IS a difference, despite what spinners like Peters write.

It may be that University of Idaho students are generally as strong as Columbia’s. I don’t know. But graduating from Harvard Law School represents orders of magnitude greater preparation and ability to lead the country than anyone else mentioned in the article.

In every presidential campaign I’ve followed previously, my opinion of every candidate from every party has declined with increased exposure. For me, the reverse is true of Obama.

I look forward to the debates. I also look forward to the Democrats using some of their talent to neutralize election thieves like Rove, as well as the deliberate distorters like Peters.

JustRalph
09-22-2008, 01:22 AM
Its an outright smear on anyone who has gone to the top schools in the country just for having gone there. It espouses "good ole boys" values as the only true American ones.

"Our country can't afford another one of these clowns. Harvard isn't the answer - Harvard's the problem"

First off, though, knowing a little about faculty recruiting, you couldn't replace Harvard people with equal quality from Idaho. Quality there isn't even close. And salaries wouldn't tank instantly as long as the networking that you get from going to such a school remained in place for many disciplines, but I guarantee they'd get no where near the placement in the academic and science world as peers always are aware of quality.

I really love how so many have bought into the sale job on Palin. "Just like me". Bull. This woman is already an experienced politician and has been pretty good at it. The question is if she actually does get the job what will happen in DC. Guarantee if she tries any real "maverick" actions her own party will shut her off quicker than you can turn around. I actually don't doubt once she's served her purpose putting McCain over the top, she'll be disposed of quickly into the dust bin that the Vice Presidency most often is.

I guess you missed the part of her interview where McCain agreed to one stipulation when he asked her to be his mate.

She asked for specific areas to work in. One was for Special Needs kids etc.........she basically said she wasn't going to be a do nothing VP. She also mentioned several areas of reform that would be on her plate.

bigmack
09-22-2008, 02:08 AM
I look forward to the debates. I also look forward to the Democrats using some of their talent to neutralize election thieves like Rove, as well as the deliberate distorters like Peters.
Have you seen Obama talk extemporaneously? It's not good. A whole lotta "halting" is goin' on. Why is that?

I hope he's not the type that needs to be told what to say. That would be a bad thing and certainly reflect poorly on the possibility that he is little more than another polished career politician who mouths words.

JustRalph
09-22-2008, 04:18 AM
Interesting pic of Palin

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080912/mccain-without-palin/images/15f219f7-85ea-4f62-87ae-c746fdae6d6f.jpg

With National Guard Troops

http://www.mattbors.com/images3/illos/palin.gif

barn32
09-22-2008, 08:05 AM
I love watching you guys hate on each other. it really is quite amusing.

OTM Al
09-22-2008, 09:34 AM
I guess you missed the part of her interview where McCain agreed to one stipulation when he asked her to be his mate.

She asked for specific areas to work in. One was for Special Needs kids etc.........she basically said she wasn't going to be a do nothing VP. She also mentioned several areas of reform that would be on her plate.


No Ralph, I didn't miss it and many other VPs in the past have stipulated just such things. Didn't matter. The VP doesn't play ball with the power structure, their entire career is made up of attending state dinners for Botswana.

JustRalph
09-22-2008, 04:41 PM
No Ralph, I didn't miss it and many other VPs in the past have stipulated just such things. Didn't matter. The VP doesn't play ball with the power structure, their entire career is made up of attending state dinners for Botswana.

I think Cheney may have changed that mold................. but she ain't no Dick Cheney :lol: :lol:

OTM Al
09-22-2008, 04:53 PM
Yes, I agree with that Ralph in that Cheney did change that. Some would say that speaks to who really was in control, but that's a conversation that need not be brought up again.

PaceAdvantage
09-22-2008, 08:31 PM
I love watching you guys hate on each other. it really is quite amusing.I live for comments like these.

boxcar
09-22-2008, 09:32 PM
I live for comments like these.

As long as you don't die for 'em, you'll be okay.

Boxcar

riskman
09-22-2008, 10:14 PM
This is not the type of column that is trademark Ralph Peters. I respect Peters and have read several of his books. What does Peters know about her views on Foreign Policy, Civil Liberties and Economics. As much as we know--Not much.The debates will tell us more.
Lew Rockwell says :"Sara Palin is both beautiful and professionally accomplished, a wife and mother and a natural politician, both religious and secular, both feminine and fears no tasks such as hunting that are usually associated with men. She offers a different model of a woman who has excelled not through intimidation and aggressive demands for reparation, but through her own efforts, charms, and intelligence. She has rejected the perks of public life in favor of common sense. She is friendly to business interests but unfriendly to special privileges."

Is Peters having some fantasies about " wonder women" ? :)

JustRalph
09-23-2008, 05:20 AM
more on Palin

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212766824265331.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

Sailwolf
09-23-2008, 06:01 AM
http://www.alternet.org/election08/98228/8_more_stories_about_palin_the_public_needs_to_kno w/?page=1

JustRalph
09-23-2008, 06:55 AM
http://www.alternet.org/election08/98228/8_more_stories_about_palin_the_public_needs_to_kno w/?page=1

Hey Sail,

if you look into it. About 5 of your 8 have been debunked already. They have no traction, that's why you don't see them on the mainstream media.

The others are subjective............ nice try though.............

Keep running scared............. :ThmbUp: