Hialeah continued....

[joanied]

http://news.bloodhorse.com//viewstory.asp?id=47122

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[onefast99]

http://news.bloodhorse.com//viewstory.asp?id=47122

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It amazes me that the bloodhorse writers would even bring up the Sothebys incident as it has no bearing on the proposed Hialeah sale. I think Minor has made a solid effort to get Hialeah running again within the next two years. I dont think he wants brunetti(s) involved in any way shape or form. He could buy Gulfstream for 110m but he doesnt want slots to be part of this game. I hope he does buy a Florida track he seems genuine.

[Bruddah]

If you are going to spend that kind of money with the Financial, Real Estate and Thoroughbred markets as troubled as they are, You obviously have more money than sense.

Seems to be another Frank Stronach ego type. (JMHO) :confused:

[takeout]

I don’t understand why Minor would submit a plan to Brunetti. Brunetti either wants to sell or he doesn’t. What am I missing?

[JustRalph]

I don’t understand why Minor would submit a plan to Brunetti. Brunetti either wants to sell or he doesn’t. What am I missing?

I think he wants to maintain a minor stake in the property. Enjoy the benefits of the overhaul and hang around the place as a part owner.

Why not maintain 10% with a clause making the other owner responsible for all debts incurred etc. Can't hurt. All the Bennies and no risk.

[onefast99]

I think he wants to maintain a minor stake in the property. Enjoy the benefits of the overhaul and hang around the place as a part owner.

Why not maintain 10% with a clause making the other owner responsible for all debts incurred etc. Can't hurt. All the Bennies and no risk.
I think he wants his kids on the bod's and probably himself also. He has the right to ask for this as he is the owner of record of this facility. If it was me I would buy GP get rid of the slots during racing season do a boutique meet guaranteeing 400k a day in purse monies Thursday thru Sunday with an 8 race card.

[joanied]

I think he wants his kids on the bod's and probably himself also. He has the right to ask for this as he is the owner of record of this facility. If it was me I would buy GP get rid of the slots during racing season do a boutique meet guaranteeing 400k a day in purse monies Thursday thru Sunday with an 8 race card.

Now that's a good idea, concerning GP...and that would compliment the re opening of Hialeah...but, I suppose Minor can't really afford:eek: to do both...and would Frank sell GP anyway?

Bruddah mentioned he thinks this is an ego trip for Minor... gotta disagree with you, Bruddah...I think this man in genuine in wanting to restore the most beautiful race place ever built.

[joanied]

I think he wants to maintain a minor stake in the property. Enjoy the benefits of the overhaul and hang around the place as a part owner.

Why not maintain 10% with a clause making the other owner responsible for all debts incurred etc. Can't hurt. All the Bennies and no risk.

Minor would probably have no problem with that.

[onefast99]

Minor would probably have no problem with that.
Minor seems to be heavy into restoring things I read where he is restoring a Virginia farm where he will have his horse stock.

[joanied]

Minor seems to be heavy into restoring things I read where he is restoring a Virginia farm where he will have his horse stock.

I read that too....but can't recall which farm he's restoring...and hey, everyone needs a 'hobby' ;)
I'm rather glad someone like Minor has come into the racing industry...he sure seems passionate about it, and sure has the $$ to spend.

[weegee]

I believe it was Carter's Grove plantation which was formerly owned by Colonial Williamsburg. It's a beautiful place.

[Bruddah]

Now that's a good idea, concerning GP...and that would compliment the re opening of Hialeah...but, I suppose Minor can't really afford:eek: to do both...and would Frank sell GP anyway?

Bruddah mentioned he thinks this is an ego trip for Minor... gotta disagree with you, Bruddah...I think this man in genuine in wanting to restore the most beautiful race place ever built.


All ego and Public Relations hype. In backside terms just BULLSH*T :ThmbDown:

[maxwell]

Why did Hialeah fail in the first place? Seems to me that four tracks in Florida would be a tad too many. But I guess Tampa Bay and/or Calder could take turns folding. :D

Come to think of it, GP ain't what it used to be. Way to go Frankie. :ThmbDown:

[thespaah]

http://news.bloodhorse.com//viewstory.asp?id=47122

:jump:not going to make a diference. Magna will do what ever it needs to in order to keep those key winter race dates.

[thespaah]

Why did Hialeah fail in the first place? Seems to me that four tracks in Florida would be a tad too many. But I guess Tampa Bay and/or Calder could take turns folding. :D

Come to think of it, GP ain't what it used to be. Way to go Frankie. :ThmbDown:
Tampa is on the uptick.many improvements to the facility and the quality of racing stock have been made. Hialeah's problems were many..First .,the track is in a very bad neighborhood...Or so I have been told. Second, the constant battle with GP over the kep winter dates was always a bone of contention. It finally came to a head and the GP mgmnt won out.

[v j stauffer]

Why did Hialeah fail in the first place? Seems to me that four tracks in Florida would be a tad too many. But I guess Tampa Bay and/or Calder could take turns folding. :D

Come to think of it, GP ain't what it used to be. Way to go Frankie. :ThmbDown:

Just one of the litany of racetracks that couldn't survive with me as the announcer.

Hialeah

Ak-Sar-Ben

Woodlands

DRC

???????????

[joanied]

not going to make a diference. Magna will do what ever it needs to in order to keep those key winter race dates.

Maybe....but, ya never know!!!!!

[joanied]

I believe it was Carter's Grove plantation which was formerly owned by Colonial Williamsburg. It's a beautiful place.

Think I'll look that up on a map...no doubt, it is a gorgeous place.

[joanied]

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All ego and Public Relations hype. In backside terms just BULLSH*T :ThmbDown:

OH Bruddah.... I think it's gone too far now to be ALL PR bullsh#t...I'd rather have a postivie outlook on this...if it happens, that'd be incredible, wonderful and I'll plan a trip to Florida...if it don't, well, it will have been a great idea gone to Hell.

[thespaah]

Just one of the litany of racetracks that couldn't survive with me as the announcer.

Hialeah

Ak-Sar-Ben

Woodlands

DRC

???????????LOL!!!!\
Vic ,when Hialeah closed , was the neighborhod the same as it was when I rode by there( Gulfstream was racing, but had to at least ride by Hialeah) as it was in 1988?.....I heard from those who'd been to Hialeah that the surrounding environs were still ,shall I say, undesirable.

[karlskorner]

You can approach Hialeah Park from all 4 points of the compass, as long as you keep the car doors locked and the A/C turned on. John Burnetti is playing the "cans of sardines" story I posted a couple of weeks ago. Hialeah Park is worth more to the City of Hialeah than the race track is worth. When Mr. Minor finally submits his bid, Brunetti takes the offer to the City Council of Hialeah and simply ask "top this".

[fmhealth]

Interesting perspective on Minor.

http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2008/09/18/CNET-Founder-Halsey-Minor-Profile

[Mag]

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/monday-morning-quarterback-hialeah-a-mortal-lock/

[thespaah]

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/monday-morning-quarterback-hialeah-a-mortal-lock/
It's a moot point if Gulfstream keeps the key dates.

[Valuist]

Just one of the litany of racetracks that couldn't survive with me as the announcer.

Hialeah

Ak-Sar-Ben

Woodlands

DRC

???????????

I think Vic should call ALL the races held on synthetic tracks, if this history can hold.

[joanied]

It's a moot point if Gulfstream keeps the key dates.

But maybe if Minor is successful at re building Hialeah they can get those choice dates because it's obvious everyone hates the new GP as far as the racing goes...let GP & Calder have their slots... if Hialeah opens to racing only, it seems to me that getting the best race dates for Hialeah is a no brainer.

[thespaah]

But maybe if Minor is successful at re building Hialeah they can get those choice dates because it's obvious everyone hates the new GP as far as the racing goes...let GP & Calder have their slots... if Hialeah opens to racing only, it seems to me that getting the best race dates for Hialeah is a no brainer.Good point..But two things may stand in the way. The political system in Florida( which favored GP over Hialeah) and the neighborhood surrounding Hialeah Park.. People will not want to go to a place if they think their safety is a concern

[matthewsiv]

There is no chance of this guy renovating Hialeh.

He will not be able to buy it,you cannot deal with the present owner,who WILL use his offer against the city.

He does not have enough money to buy it and then renovate it.

Florida racing is dead now.

Prize money is pathetic,wagering is down,no more than two or three hundred people a day at Calder.

Either Calder or Gulfstream will close,there is not room for both.

The healthiest track in the state is Tampa by far.

Do you really believe that snowbirds will go to Hialeh to get mugged,they are scared enough of going to Calder.

Get real Florida racing is a real joke and a mess,just look at the standard of prizemoney and racing.

Who in their right mind is going to pump 200 million dollars in that?

[joanied]

As for the surrounding neighborhood... Rudy G :ThmbUp: cleaned up Times Square...being a NY'er, that was something I didn't think anyone could do...
and once inside the gates of Hilaeah, you are safe from all evil...but really, no reason why they can't do the same thing for the Hialeah area...might not be easy, but hell, you'd think the polititions down there would want to clean it up anyway.
And yes, agreed that FL racing is in big trouble...which they caused themselves with so much fighting about this n that...
I think most would agree, they don't need GP & Calder...especially Calder...it's a piss poor track...I was down there (at Hialeah) when they started building that stupid track and we all knew at the time it was going to be trouble for Hialeah...they did not need that track then, and sure don't need it now...at the time, they'd been better off fixing up old Tropical Park...
Frank can keep his GP as a place for other entertainment...slots/casino/ shopping, golf course...all the things he wanted there in he first place, and to hell with horse racing.
OH...if Minor didn't have the $$$, he wouldn't be into this in the first place!!

[matthewsiv]

Joanied,you are a dreamer.

There is no in fighting in the Florida horse industry,just no money.

Just look at the recent OBS sales!

Ocala Stud sell their best stallion to South Africa!

Padua moves it operations to Kentucky,so does Cloverleaf Farm and then Briggs and Cromartie.

Hialeh is a very dangerous part of Miami indeed West of I95 in general is bad,there is no way that this can be cleaned up.

There are not enough people going to either Gulfstream in the winter or Calder in the summer.

I attend both tracks as a horse player and an owner.

There is no way that this guy is going to buy Hialeh or do a partnership and renovate it.

The guy is a show off with a big ego,he is not Sheikh Mo.

[joanied]

Joanied,you are a dreamer.

There is no in fighting in the Florida horse industry,just no money.

Just look at the recent OBS sales!

Ocala Stud sell their best stallion to South Africa!

Padua moves it operations to Kentucky,so does Cloverleaf Farm and then Briggs and Cromartie.

Hialeh is a very dangerous part of Miami indeed West of I95 in general is bad,there is no way that this can be cleaned up.

There are not enough people going to either Gulfstream in the winter or Calder in the summer.

I attend both tracks as a horse player and an owner.

There is no way that this guy is going to buy Hialeh or do a partnership and renovate it.

The guy is a show off with a big ego,he is not Sheikh Mo.

mathew... yes, I am;) ...one reason I named my little horse business 'Foolish Dream Farm'...the foolish is because Foolish Pleasure helped that dream come true for me...
but, alas, I am also a realist...and I can see that Florida racing is in big trouble...yes, some farms have moved stallions, some are for sale, and with the possible exception of Tampa Bay...the tracks are sinking fast...
but, maybe IF Hialeah was saved and open for business, with the choice dates, and Calder shuts down (I hope) and GP is scaled down as a short meet, yet maintain it's 'entertainment place' status...slots/casino, con-do's, shopping ect...maybe Florida racing could become what is once was...a dream? Maybe...but who knows, stranger things have happened.
Minor probably does have a hell of an ego...but, I suppose anyone that amasses that kind of wealth needs an ego to drive him...he ain't no Sheik, but he's one hell of a rich man...and if not for the fact that probably even Rudy G can't fix Hialeah's meighborhood, I'd like to think Minor could do this...but it would take the 'powers that be' down there to help make it happen....and maybe, they really just don't give a shi* :ThmbDown:

But, mathew...until this subject becomes null & void, I for one will keep a postive outlook on it, there ain't nothin' wrong with hopeing for the best, in any situation...even Florida racing and Hialeah.
:)

[witchdoctor]

Ocala Stud sell their best stallion to South Africa!




Which stud got exiled to South Africa?