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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg
You have to know who Noonan and Murphy are to understand why this undercuts the official party line on Palin. Contrary to the left being bothered by the Palin choice, I believe there are many on the right that feel McCain has blown it. I think in the coming weeks as coverage shifts away from the Palin family issues to her actual political history, this is going to unravel any hopes of a Republican victory, as it uncuts everything McCain was planning to bring in the last two months of the campaign against Obama. You can argue that Palin has energized the conservative base, but everyone else is going to see the handwriting on the wall here. It's an unfortunate choice by a very good man, who had a good chance to beat Obama, with any of a half dozen other VP choices.
Jake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg
You have to know who Noonan and Murphy are to understand why this undercuts the official party line on Palin. Contrary to the left being bothered by the Palin choice, I believe there are many on the right that feel McCain has blown it. I think in the coming weeks as coverage shifts away from the Palin family issues to her actual political history, this is going to unravel any hopes of a Republican victory, as it uncuts everything McCain was planning to bring in the last two months of the campaign against Obama. You can argue that Palin has energized the conservative base, but everyone else is going to see the handwriting on the wall here. It's an unfortunate choice by a very good man, who had a good chance to beat Obama, with any of a half dozen other VP choices.
Jake
In fairness to Noonan, this is her followup:http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
Additional article:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/03/how-palin-could-hurt-mccain-with-moderates.aspx
PaceAdvantage
09-04-2008, 02:21 AM
MSNBC - Fair and Balanced!
MSNBC - Fair and Balanced!
This has nothing to do with MSNBC per se. It has to do with who Murphy and Noonan are, relative to the Republican party and John McCain. One is a long time advisor to him, and the other is a conservative columnist who worked for both Reagan and Bush, Sr. Their comments carry weigh, because they were meant to be off the record. But you're welcome to dismiss it anyway you want, if that makes you feel any better!
PaceAdvantage
09-05-2008, 10:20 PM
This has nothing to do with MSNBC per se. It has to do with who Murphy and Noonan are, relative to the Republican party and John McCain. One is a long time advisor to him, and the other is a conservative columnist who worked for both Reagan and Bush, Sr. Their comments carry weigh, because they were meant to be off the record. But you're welcome to dismiss it anyway you want, if that makes you feel any better!The tape was leaked by someone at MSNBC.
How much do you want to bet that if a liberal commentator said some not-so-positive things about Obama at MSNBC "off-camera," those words would not see the light of day....ever....(or at least until after the election).
Steve 'StatMan'
09-05-2008, 11:01 PM
Makes one want to cut someones balls off. :lol:
Greyfox
09-05-2008, 11:20 PM
The tape simply demonstrates, again, the phoniness, of "talking heads."
In this media age, I still apply 3 rules that I learned as a child:
"Stop, Look, and Listen."
(All 3 deserve a lot more comment, but they apply in this election.)
The tape was leaked by someone at MSNBC.
How much do you want to bet that if a liberal commentator said some not-so-positive things about Obama at MSNBC "off-camera," those words would not see the light of day....ever....(or at least until after the election).
Sure it was leaked. That's why we are able to hear it. Just like the Jesse Jackson comments were recorded and leaked. It plays both ways, as far as I can see. In any case, it doesn't negate the fact that two strong Republican advocates have/had some doubts about what the Palin selection means in terms of the coming election. In fairness to Noonan, she claims that what is heard on the tape is not the whole conversation, and it is being misconstrued. Fine, I would take her at her word. However, listening to the tape suggests she doubts Palin was the best possible choice.
I heard that it was PMSNBC that gave the credentials to the Cod Pink hookers who made fools of themselves at McCain's convention. Probably Oberman's sister.
DJofSD
09-06-2008, 10:53 AM
Probably Oberman's sister.Or his mother.
barn32
09-06-2008, 11:29 AM
I mean comeon, isn't it obvious that Palin wasn't properly vetted? I mean seriously. Even I, a lonely Internet troll can see that.
I think she is just what they wanted.
She has been discussed for months now. Favorably.
Talk about vetting - how did Biden slip by? A plagerist, racist, loser, Mr. 7% rejected repeatedly by his own party....do they think he will do any better in an open election? Oh, yea, liar too. I forgot.
And how on earth did Barry Hussein ever get past the knee slap and the "No, seriously now......" :lol:
Greyfox
09-06-2008, 12:51 PM
I think she is just what they wanted.
She has been discussed for months now. Favorably.
Talk about vetting - how did Biden slip by?
Who "vetted" Obama with connections to Rezko, Wright, a bomber...?
DJofSD
09-06-2008, 01:03 PM
Who "vetted" Obama with connections to Rezko, Wright, a bomber...?Vetted as in investigative journalism?
TurfRuler
09-06-2008, 03:08 PM
The tape was leaked by someone at MSNBC.
How much do you want to bet that if a liberal commentator said some not-so-positive things about Obama at MSNBC "off-camera," those words would not see the light of day....ever....(or at least until after the election).
But FOX did play the Jesse Jackson's not so flattering comment about Obama when he though he was not miked.
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 04:41 PM
But FOX did play the Jesse Jackson's not so flattering comment about Obama when he though he was not miked.
TurfRuler, making an excellent point will usually get you trashed. :ThmbUp:
Tom, your Biden rant here and others elsewhere on the board lately must be taking a toll. Think of your health if not us. It's got to mighty stressful trying to convince yourself - let alone others - that Palin is a better candidate for VP than Biden.
Greyfox
09-06-2008, 04:48 PM
Palin's supposed inexperience is a yellow highlight marker pen under-scoring Obama's lacks.
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 05:24 PM
Palin's supposed inexperience is a yellow highlight marker pen under-scoring Obama's lacks.
Oh good. And, if elected and anything happens to McCain, the lesson learned was worth the result?
And conservatives challenge our patriotism? Right.
Everything I posted about Biden is true. Do you deny any of it?
Of course Sara is far more qualified to be VP than he is - on virtue of the fact that she is not a lib! :lol:
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 06:05 PM
Everything I posted about Biden is true. Do you deny any of it?
Of course Sara is far more qualified to be VP than he is - on virtue of the fact that she is not a lib! :lol:
Yea. For starters saying Biden is a racist is absurd. Blacks, whites, you name it - they love Joe in Delaware. The rest - plagerist, loser, etc. - is not worth responding to.
You haven't heard his comments about the food service people in Delaware, his comments about Obama himself? Clean, articulate......can't have it both ways. The republican running - forget his name - who called a guy Mocaca, or whatever, was branded a racist and lost the race.
Not worht acknowledegin he did plagerise a speech?
"Not worth acknowledging he got 2% of the vote in Iowa, and has lost previous primaries by hisown party?
Sure, if you ignore all his warts, Joe Biden looks pretty good!!!! :lol::lol::lol:
We gonna use the same thing with Bin Laden?
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 06:48 PM
Saying 7-11's are owned mainly by Asians must be news in Ohio. Using good lines (over 20 years ago) he heard somewhere in a speech and not disclosing the source is a nothing story today.
As far as Biden not doing well in primaries, so what? Exactly how does that make him a bad choice for VP?
I guess your forefathers hated John Adams too! :)
Sailwolf
09-06-2008, 06:53 PM
Everything I posted about Biden is true. Do you deny any of it?
Of course Sara is far more qualified to be VP than he is - on virtue of the fact that she is not a lib! :lol:
And the GOP tells the "truth"
See below
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=AgoOO1XLJ2l0OKURbmpSKWwDW7oF
The rest - plagerist, loser, etc. - is not worth responding to.
Thought you weren't going to respond? :lol::lol::lol:
Now Sailwolf, you have to read all the post. Barn32 suggested Sara was not vetted, and I came back with how can you ask that about her and not Biden, and listed several reasons. Never said anyone did not lie - they are politicians, if they are alive, they are lying! :bang:
Funny thing about Sara is the dems cannot say anyting about her that doens't apply to the anointed ones. And that is the gas of it all.
Now Sailwolf, you have to read all the post. Barn32 suggested Sara was not vetted, and I came back with how can you ask that about her and not Biden, and listed several reasons. Never said anyone did not lie - they are politicians, if they are alive, they are lying! :bang:
Funny thing about Sara is the dems cannot say anyting about her that doens't apply to the anointed ones. And that is the gas of it all.
Well, one big difference is that Biden is taking live interviews without a handler. It's apparent that the McCain people are afraid to death to allow Palin to respond without written talking points in front of her. That's not a good sign. http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/new-gop-spin-palins-not-ready.html. Let her talk. It might put some life in this campaign.
bigmack
09-06-2008, 07:40 PM
The odd thing about cats like NJStinks is they're so preoccupied with the selection of Palin. You don't think she was vetted well, you think Biden is a better choice etc... So be it. How bout we let the voters decide? All the rest of this nonsense is just tit for tat silliness.
How awkward Dem's must feel questioning the GOP ticket. You wouldn't vote for McCain if he had picked Mother Theresa, so get over it already.
Steve 'StatMan'
09-06-2008, 07:59 PM
Oh good. And, if elected and anything happens to McCain, the lesson learned was worth the result?
And if Obama is elected, regardless of what happens to Biden, will the lesson learned be worth the result?
And if Obama is elected, regardless of what happens to Biden, will the lesson learned be worth the result?
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
equicom
09-06-2008, 09:35 PM
Saying 7-11's are owned mainly by Asians must be news in Ohio. Using good lines (over 20 years ago) he heard somewhere in a speech and not disclosing the source is a nothing story today.
But 7-11's are mostly owned by Asians. There are more Asian 7-11 owners than there are of any other races. Not that it should be an issue.
Why else do you think the Simpsons used Apu as a sterotype for the Kwick-E-Mart?
There's nothing racist about stating a fact. What may be of concern is the context in which he used the statement. What actually motivated him to even mention that 7-11's are owned mainly by Asians?
Also, is he anti-Asian or anti-SevenEleven?
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 10:04 PM
But 7-11's are mostly owned by Asians. There are more Asian 7-11 owners than there are of any other races. Not that it should be an issue.
Why else do you think the Simpsons used Apu as a sterotype for the Kwick-E-Mart?
There's nothing racist about stating a fact. What may be of concern is the context in which he used the statement. What actually motivated him to even mention that 7-11's are owned mainly by Asians?
Also, is he anti-Asian or anti-SevenEleven?
He's not anti-anything, equicom. :bang: He was just being 65 and stating the obvious. :sleeping:
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 10:05 PM
Thought you weren't going to respond? :lol::lol::lol:
Yea, you got me.:mad: :)
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 10:18 PM
The odd thing about cats like NJStinks is they're so preoccupied with the selection of Palin. You don't think she was vetted well, you think Biden is a better choice etc... So be it. How bout we let the voters decide? All the rest of this nonsense is just tit for tat silliness.
How awkward Dem's must feel questioning the GOP ticket. You wouldn't vote for McCain if he had picked Mother Theresa, so get over it already.
What drives me crazy is the way the press treats her like Paris Hilton. No reason except to sell. Meanwhile people with short attention spans (you know where you live) forget how shitty their lives have become in the last 8 years or so and find a stupid reason not to vote for the man of color.
Any citizen not in the 35% income tax bracket who votes for 4 more years of Republican pain deserves exactly what they get. Unfortunately, I have to suffer with them.
I couldn't care less about the vetting of Sarah Palin anymore than you do. It's the childish distraction that makes me :mad: .
bigmack
09-06-2008, 10:24 PM
Any citizen not in the 35% income tax bracket who votes for 4 more years of Republican pain deserves exactly what they get. Unfortunately, I have to suffer with them.
What are you expecting from the Feds - Club Med?
What happened to this country that we have this amount of people asking "The Feds" of all people to help them out? I have little in the way of want or expectation from them. Silly me.
What drives me crazy is the way the press treats her like Paris Hilton. No reason except to sell. Meanwhile people with short attention spans (you know where you live) forget how shitty their lives have become in the last 8 years or so and find a stupid reason not to vote for the man of color.
Oh come on, what about the orgasms the media have been having over Barry Hussein? Mathews gets a tingling in his legs when he sees him! My life has not been at all shitty over the last 8 years. Not anything that was Bush's fault, anyway. And your assumption about voting for a black man is totally racist on YOUR part. Grow up. Barry is a wacked out liberal - his color has nothing to do with it. This doophus is further out there than Gore or Kerry. I think your attention span is a tad short.
Let me clue you in - most of us are opposed to ALL libs, Obama, Kennedy, Biden, Pelosi, Reid....you name a lib, I'll show you a pitiful fool who is an embarrassment to this country.
equicom
09-06-2008, 11:02 PM
Oh come on, what about the orgasms the media have been having over Barry Hussein?
I see your frequent mentioning of this name as being a tiny bit racist. Do you have to attack over a person's name in order to get credibility?
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 11:35 PM
What are you expecting from the Feds - Club Med?
What happened to this country that we have this amount of people asking "The Feds" of all people to help them out? I have little in the way of want or expectation from them. Silly me.
I'm not asking for a handout. I want the richest Americans to pay their fair share like they did before Ronald Reagan.
There a reason why our National Debt was so low before Reagan. The richest paid their fair share back then. That in turn meant we weren't borrowing from Asia, the US dollar was a valuable currency to hold, we could actually afford entitlements like Social Security, Medicare, education, transportation, etc.
People don't grasp the vast wealth of the top couple percent in the country. The question is how much do they need to keep vs. the needs of the country that afforded them the opportunity to amass such wealth. Republicans like to say that if you earned it, you should keep it. If that was the bottom line, we never would have paid off debts from the World Wars, Korea, and Vietnam.
I don't care if it sounds socialistic or like communism or whatever. The top 10% or so of the people who own at least 80% of the wealth in this country are the key to a prosperous, strong nation. If they don't pony up, we are what we are today - a debtor nation.
Your Club Med theory is nothing but BS, bigmack. Propaganda, if you will, to keep the maximum income tax rates down. People demand stuff like reasonably priced health care from the feds. I don't know another wealthy country besides ours that equates decent health care with handouts and gets away with it.
NJ Stinks
09-06-2008, 11:53 PM
Oh come on, what about the orgasms the media have been having over Barry Hussein? Mathews gets a tingling in his legs when he sees him! My life has not been at all shitty over the last 8 years. Not anything that was Bush's fault, anyway. And your assumption about voting for a black man is totally racist on YOUR part. Grow up. Barry is a wacked out liberal - his color has nothing to do with it. This doophus is further out there than Gore or Kerry. I think your attention span is a tad short.
Let me clue you in - most of us are opposed to ALL libs, Obama, Kennedy, Biden, Pelosi, Reid....you name a lib, I'll show you a pitiful fool who is an embarrassment to this country.
Tom, your keeping me busy. Fair point about the media and Obama. I get it and you are right. And while I am sure many voters are not racist, I suspect some definitely are. And that wasn't a dig at you or anyone else here. (Of course, poking fun at a name is not racist.)
But your last point about libs ruining the country if they take over is baffling. After the leadership exhibited by the Republicans the last 8 years, Obama can't possibly be worse. If George Bush was coaching the Reskins, he would have been fired in 2004 and the fans would have been delirious. Instead, Bush's was extended by ownership another 4 years and the team went 12-36 after the extension.
Face it. We need a new coach to take the team in a different direction! Because it's almost impossible to go 12-36 in today's NFL!:jump:
(Sorry. I got a little carried away with opening day tomorrow.:blush: )
I see your frequent mentioning of this name as being a tiny bit racist. Do you have to attack over a person's name in order to get credibility?
Hussein is an African-American name? Since when?
Barry is what he used to call himself. Hussein is is his real middle name.
He doesn't like us to use it. Is he ashamed of it?
Using a person's real names is an attack? Since when?
bigmack
09-07-2008, 01:41 AM
The top 10% or so of the people who own at least 80% of the wealth in this country are the key to a prosperous, strong nation. If they don't pony up, we are what we are today - a debtor nation.
I don't have the want to educate you on who pays the vast majority of the tab in this country but I suspect you'll be surprised when you take it upon yourself to to find out. Do find out by the way, cause with all due respect, it sounds as if you're working with some misguided & faulty data.
Additionally, I'd bet that if we really took apart your piece in the puzzle of American economics that it would be highly likely that irrespective of what happens in DC it would have little effect on/in your life.
You want affordable health care? That should be doable. Obama or McC.
You want free universal health care? You're living in the wrong country.
If you want and/or are waiting for the Federal Government to put a little sprinkle in a bucket you have held out, we're on so far different Planets that we'd best part ways.
Propaganda abounds in the world or a life that spends more than a passing thought on the possibility that the actions of a President, past or present, have on their lives.
Big world out there. Waiting for DC to "make it better for me" is a world I can't, and would prefer not, to count on. IMO - Most folk would be best served to posture likewise.
equicom
09-07-2008, 06:05 AM
Hussein is an African-American name? Since when?
Barry is what he used to call himself. Hussein is is his real middle name.
He doesn't like us to use it. Is he ashamed of it?
Using a person's real names is an attack? Since when?
Do you really expect me to believe that you're stupid enough to think that the only possible form of racism is the type directed against African-Americans?
You're constant, repeated use of the Hussein name is clearly intended to create the impression to your readers that Obama is an Arab and in consquence in agreement with Islamic doctrine.
You would have no other reason for using the name on a repetitive basis that I can see, unless you're willing to over a legitimate reason???
Hussein is an African-American name? Since when?
Barry is what he used to call himself. Hussein is is his real middle name.
He doesn't like us to use it. Is he ashamed of it?
Using a person's real names is an attack? Since when?Convinced by the bush administration,many Americans thought the 911 terrorists were sent by Saddam HUSSEIN .
No big difference in using Obamas middle name over and over and over and over and over again. Drawing attention to that little detail and then denying the real intention is hypocrisy.
Just more Bushshit 101.
Boris
09-07-2008, 08:37 AM
You're constant, repeated use of the Hussein name is clearly intended to create the impression to your readers that Obama is an Arab and in consquence in agreement with Islamic doctrine.
Hey Tom, you got readers. Go you. When you print t-shirts, I want one.
Tom, I want one of your coffee mugs too!!!!!!!!
RaceBookJoe
09-07-2008, 11:53 AM
How about a monkey bobblehead. :)
Looks about the size of it.
Missing the "hey this branch is about to break" surprised look of your avatar.
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