Larry Voegele-Quarter Horses

[shoelessjoe]

I was taking to a friend of mine and we started to discuss Quarter Horses.I remember when I first got Voegele's book back in the 70's I visted Pompano Park.It was the first time I played them and I ended up paying for my whole Florida trip.Has anyone else out there ever applied his methods to them?

I also would appreciate a list of tracks that now run quarter horses.Thanks Jeff

[Dan Montilion]

http://www.aqha.com/aqharacing.com/horsemaninfo/2008USRaceDates.pdf

[shoelessjoe]

Dan,Thank you very much.Jeff

[shoelessjoe]

Voegele's theories on smooth,rough and dull races were very good for a handicapper just starting out.

[RichieP]

Voegele's theories on smooth,rough and dull races were very good for a handicapper just starting out.

I've read that in his heyday the seminars he ran were extremely well attended Shoeless. Do you know where he was based? West coast?

Speaking about the quarters Jim "The Hat" used to tell me about this weird thing he did when he played them.

He would use the pp's to pick the horse he liked to win.Say it was #8.For exactas he told me he would take the 2 horses closest to the #8 and put them for 2nd. That would be the #'s 7 and 9. It was one of the weirdest things I had ever heard but that's what he would do.

By chance would anyone know where I could find the takeout rates for q horses?

[socantra]

By chance would anyone know where I could find the takeout rates for q horses?
Try http://horseworlddata.com/pmtrcks.html

[RichieP]

Try http://horseworlddata.com/pmtrcks.html

Thanks!!

[Figman]

The win, place & show takeout at Finger Lakes in New York is NOT the same as the win, place & show takout at the NYRA tracks in New York. Finger Lakes is 18%.

And beginning with September opening at Belmont Park, the win, place & show takeout, along with the multiple and exotic takeouts at NYRA all go up one percent from what is on the table.

[juanepstein]

I've read that in his heyday the seminars he ran were extremely well attended Shoeless. Do you know where he was based? West coast?

Speaking about the quarters Jim "The Hat" used to tell me about this weird thing he did when he played them.

He would use the pp's to pick the horse he liked to win.Say it was #8.For exactas he told me he would take the 2 horses closest to the #8 and put them for 2nd. That would be the #'s 7 and 9. It was one of the weirdest things I had ever heard but that's what he would do.

By chance would anyone know where I could find the takeout rates for q horses?

ive heard the same thing. if the #8 was to pop out good the #7 and #9 have a target run at which will usually keep them up into the exotics or overcome the #8 at the finish.

[shoelessjoe]

Richie,Funny you said that about the Hat's way of playing exacta's because that's the way I was doing it.The way you are able to match up the 1st and 2nd calls I think you would be a natural playing them.


I thought Pompano Park was still running but I didnt see them on that list.

[witchdoctor]

I've read that in his heyday the seminars he ran were extremely well attended Shoeless. Do you know where he was based? West coast?

Speaking about the quarters Jim "The Hat" used to tell me about this weird thing he did when he played them.

He would use the pp's to pick the horse he liked to win.Say it was #8.For exactas he told me he would take the 2 horses closest to the #8 and put them for 2nd. That would be the #'s 7 and 9. It was one of the weirdest things I had ever heard but that's what he would do.

By chance would anyone know where I could find the takeout rates for q horses?
Howard took Jimmy's idea and called it "vector magnetism."

[Topcat]

there was an entire book built around this "vector magnetisim" I forget the name at the moment but it suggested taking all adjacent horses and boxing them in the exacta-1 with 2 etc and wait for the big exacta-the therory was that in the short exacta races a horse, being a herd animal, could pull along others near it.

[trp]

The book you're thinking of may be "Exacta Betting - World's Safest Investment" by Gil Morgan and Herb Morgan, copyright 1979.

It contains their system, which is based on the "Pull Theory", for betting exactas in quarter horse races.

[shoelessjoe]

TRP,Is the book worth getting?

[trp]

TRP,Is the book worth getting?

I can't give a definite answer because I don't know why you might want it.

I was never more than a very casual QH handicapper. I lived about 2 miles from Los Alamitos for 13 years, so I'd drop by occasionally on big race days (actually nights) and place a few bets.

I bought the book because it was the only one I could find at that time about handicapping QHs. The system is very simplistic. I don't know if it ever worked or not. I never used it. If a friend of mine asked me whether he should buy it to help his handicapping, I'd say no. As a minor curiosity item, the answer might be different.

[traynor]

The book you're thinking of may be "Exacta Betting - World's Safest Investment" by Gil Morgan and Herb Morgan, copyright 1979.

It contains their system, which is based on the "Pull Theory", for betting exactas in quarter horse races.

The theory is not as weird as it sounds. If you spend some time looking at race results, you will often notice a tendency for the place position to be filled by the entry just inside or just outside the winner. The thing that makes it interesting is that there is often very little to recommend the placer other than its position next to the winner. That makes some nice prices.

The book mentioned above was more a shotgun approach, betting exactas 12-23-34-etc. If you fine tune it a bit, and pick a solid contender for win, then pick up an extra exacta ticket on the adjacent PPs, you may find some very pleasant surprise payoffs.

I am definitely not suggesting mechanical application; check results for situations in which the place position had generous odds (not many bet it) and was in an adjacent post. Tracks vary; some tend to have more "surprise placers" from a position closer to the rail, others from an outside position.

Good Luck! :)