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pandy
08-25-2008, 12:24 PM
After Alan Garcia's huge weekend, I suddenly remembered Fernando Jara and wondered where he is. Anyone know?

ghostyapper
08-25-2008, 12:35 PM
He was riding in california last fall. Haven't heard about him since.

Bobzilla
08-25-2008, 12:41 PM
I've been wondering the same thing. Seems like he enjoyed some success on some mounts in which it would have been hard to lose. That being said, it's not like he was totally without talent. I felt he had potential. Perhaps his big money race successes in 2006 temporarily opened up more day to day opportunities for him and he wasn't as competitive as everyone had hoped. Maybe he became discouraged. I hope he didn't get into any trouble. I hope he's okay. It was only a year and a half ago he won the Dubai Cup on Invasor.

ryesteve
08-25-2008, 01:17 PM
Looks like he's riding in Panama. If you do a Google news search, he's mentioned in a lot of recent articles.

toetoe
08-25-2008, 06:07 PM
Always locks to be found down there. :rolleyes:

pandy
08-25-2008, 07:22 PM
I've been wondering the same thing. Seems like he enjoyed some success on some mounts in which it would have been hard to lose. That being said, it's not like he was totally without talent. I felt he had potential. Perhaps his big money race successes in 2006 temporarily opened up more day to day opportunities for him and he wasn't as competitive as everyone had hoped. Maybe he became discouraged. I hope he didn't get into any trouble. I hope he's okay. It was only a year and a half ago he won the Dubai Cup on Invasor.

If he's riding in Panama, that's pretty strange. I know that he got some breaks riding for a top barn, but still, when you have that type of success at a young age you would think he would be a leading rider on one of the circuits, even if its not NY or So. Cal.

JustRalph
08-25-2008, 11:14 PM
Does he have a warrant out for his arrest in the U.S. ?

That would be a good reason to leave

ryesteve
08-26-2008, 12:23 AM
Does he have a warrant out for his arrest in the U.S. ?

That would be a good reason to leave
Yeah, that's why Gary Stevens went to go ride in Europe :rolleyes:

KingChas
08-26-2008, 11:46 AM
I figure it's one of three things.

A. He got fat with his quick financial gains.
B. He's on vacation with Patrick V.
C. Both of the above.

:lol:

JustRalph
08-26-2008, 04:55 PM
Yeah, that's why Gary Stevens went to go ride in Europe :rolleyes:

There is precedent for this.............

ryesteve
08-26-2008, 05:02 PM
There is precedent for this.............Is there also a precendent for making completely unfounded, easily disproven comments about someone who, by all accounts, is a perfectly ok guy?

Millpond68
08-26-2008, 05:19 PM
Didn't he get hurt when Gomez's mount bore out into him and his horse went down during the winter? The irony was the stewart's blamed him.

JustRalph
08-26-2008, 06:36 PM
Is there also a precendent for making completely unfounded, easily disproven comments about someone who, by all accounts, is a perfectly ok guy?

yeah, I called him a murderer. I implied he was in on half a dozen crimes. Right? ............ have a nice day steve.

juanepstein
08-26-2008, 06:37 PM
hes roomates with cc carmaque.

ryesteve
08-26-2008, 07:22 PM
yeah, I called him a murderer. I implied he was in on half a dozen crimes. Right? ............ have a nice day steve.All I'm saying is, if the topic was Gary Stevens going to ride in Europe, or Kieran McLaughlin going to train in Dubai, it would be absolutely ludicrous for someone to suggest that their motivation was that they were on the run from the law. But since we're talking about a guy who speaks with an accent, apparently that automatically makes it plausible speculation to some people.

But yeah, it's fine by me if you don't continue this discussion... I'm sure you're way behind on all the xenophobic chain hate-mail you need to forward to your mailing lists.

point given
08-26-2008, 08:04 PM
heard that he got a big head and thats why he was dropped . Hearsay at its best. :)

JustRalph
08-27-2008, 12:33 AM
All I'm saying is, if the topic was Gary Stevens going to ride in Europe, or Kieran McLaughlin going to train in Dubai, it would be absolutely ludicrous for someone to suggest that their motivation was that they were on the run from the law. But since we're talking about a guy who speaks with an accent, apparently that automatically makes it plausible speculation to some people.

But yeah, it's fine by me if you don't continue this discussion... I'm sure you're way behind on all the xenophobic chain hate-mail you need to forward to your mailing lists.

I am way ahead on my mail. But thanks for the concern. :ThmbUp:

PaceAdvantage
08-28-2008, 11:42 AM
Is there also a precendent for making completely unfounded, easily disproven comments about someone who, by all accounts, is a perfectly ok guy?You might have said the same thing about Matt Garcia before he was led away in handcuffs from the Del Mar paddock. And you would have been wrong.

I certainly hope you aren't carrying over any beef you may have with Ralph from the off-topic section.

As far as I see it, Ralph typed a question. He didn't make any accusations or post any false information disguised as fact.

I'm sure Jara is a swell individual who has done nothing wrong. However, there is also nothing wrong with raising a question, especially given what happened at Del Mar the other day.

ryesteve
08-28-2008, 12:08 PM
However, there is also nothing wrong with raising a questionI stand by what I said. When it was Gary Stevens and Kiaran McLaughlin going overseas, no one would've wondered aloud if they were evading prosecution. Raising the issue in THIS case speaks volumes about a person's thought process. I don't need to frequent the "off topic" section to have a beef with that. I avoid getting into discussions over there because I've learned that I'd prefer NOT to know how some of you people think on various topics; but when that nonsense starts bleeding into discussions here, particularly in a thread that began with a very innocuous question, and should've ended when that question was answered, I'm not going to let it slide.

BillW
08-28-2008, 12:15 PM
I stand by what I said. When it was Gary Stevens and Kiaran McLaughlin going overseas, no one would've wondered aloud if they were evading prosecution. Raising the issue in THIS case speaks volumes about a person's thought process. I don't need to frequent the "off topic" section to have a beef with that. I avoid getting into discussions over there because I've learned that I'd prefer NOT to know how some of you people think on various topics; but when that nonsense starts bleeding into discussions here, particularly in a thread that began with a very innocuous question, and should've ended when that question was answered, I'm not going to let it slide.

This is ridiculous. Stevens never went to a 3rd world country to ride for peanuts. McLaughlin went to the richest racing venue in the world. Motivation was suspect there in both cases there too - it was MONEY.

ezrabrooks
08-28-2008, 12:22 PM
Man, this thread really went on tilt. Jara is from Panama..maybe he just got home sick..

Ez

ryesteve
08-28-2008, 02:13 PM
Man, this thread really went on tilt. Jara is from Panama..maybe he just got home sick..Bingo... :ThmbUp:

PaceAdvantage
08-30-2008, 01:29 AM
Bingo... :ThmbUp:So, you've interviewed him? Or perhaps you've recently discovered an article detailing why a guy goes from riding some of the best horses for one of the top outfits in the nation one year, to a third world nation the next?

I did a quick two minute search on Jara and have come to the conclusion that he is in Panama not because he is homesick, but because he couldn't hack it in NY or California anymore. This all coincided with him losing Randy Romero as his agent.

But, if you feel better about going with the homesick angle, or you really did interview Jara, then by all means, go for it...it's probably just as good and just as misleading as Ralph's question...

NY BRED
08-30-2008, 06:26 AM
I remember Fernando Jara losing several big races for Mclauaglin, which ultimately led to the selection of several new riders for this trainer ,despite
the fact this Jockey had performed quite well for this trainer and his
connections.

Jara did go to California had never got to prove his abilities based upon the
mounts he received.

Several NY riders such as the Mig and Mike Smith struggled for a while
before proving they could fit with the competiition in California.

To insinuate this Jockey is a criminal and fleeing from the authorities
is just plain stupid

ryesteve
08-30-2008, 08:01 AM
So, you've interviewed him?"Bingo" meant finally someone demonstrating plausible conjecture, not necessarily that someone had the right answer.

But I appreciate your reference to Ralph's implications as "misleading", even though it still seems like you're intent on defending him.

Zman179
08-30-2008, 08:28 AM
Man, this thread really went on tilt. Jara is from Panama..maybe he just got home sick..

Ez

I doubt that. But I'd bet a deuce that his work visa expired and he had to return home so that he could try to get another. Overstay a visa by even one day and he won't even be able to enter the US as a tourist for 10 years, let alone work here.

PaceAdvantage
08-31-2008, 02:59 AM
To insinuate this Jockey is a criminal and fleeing from the authorities
is just plain stupidNo it's not. Do you people not pay attention to racing news?

Jockey Matt Garcia was LED AWAY IN HANDCUFFS on August 23.

JustRalph posed his QUESTION on August 25th.

Why anyone is jumping all over Ralph as if he is some crazed xenophobe given the very recent events concerning a jockey and his public run in with the law is beyond me....

ezrabrooks
08-31-2008, 08:36 AM
No it's not. Do you people not pay attention to racing news?

Jockey Matt Garcia was LED AWAY IN HANDCUFFS on August 23.

JustRalph posed his QUESTION on August 25th.

Why anyone is jumping all over Ralph as if he is some crazed xenophobe given the very recent events concerning a jockey and his public run in with the law is beyond me....

crazed xenophobe? Nope, but you are acting like some crazed Perry Mason. Ralph doesn't need you riding in on a white steed, defending him, and saving the day. You are just a tad caught up in yourself PA...much less not understanding what 'maybe' means.

ryesteve
08-31-2008, 09:07 AM
No it's not. Do you people not pay attention to racing news?

Jockey Matt Garcia was LED AWAY IN HANDCUFFS on August 23.So if I read an article about a message board operator running a private-access kiddie porn section, am I allowed to start wondering aloud if there's a similar section here that only an inner circle knows about? After all, you have the same profession and presumably a similar ethnic background, which is apparently, by your standards, all that is required to start tarring with the same gigantic brush.

startngate
08-31-2008, 10:08 AM
Back to the topic at hand .... my memory is a little faded on him, but I thought he went back to Panama to recover from his spill last fall and stayed because his father had heart surgery.

PaceAdvantage
09-02-2008, 02:40 PM
So if I read an article about a message board operator running a private-access kiddie porn section, am I allowed to start wondering aloud if there's a similar section here that only an inner circle knows about? After all, you have the same profession and presumably a similar ethnic background, which is apparently, by your standards, all that is required to start tarring with the same gigantic brush.Well, genius, if your analogy had any bit of validity, then Ralph would be questioning EVERY jockey whose last name appears to be of Latin American origin, would he not? But, he's only questioning the guy who dropped off the face of the earth (well, at least the face of US racing, where he had been riding near the top of not too long ago).

So, no, same profession and presumably similar ethnic background is NOT all that is required. There also has to be some unusual circumstances as well, for starters.

PaceAdvantage
09-02-2008, 02:40 PM
crazed xenophobe? Nope, but you are acting like some crazed Perry Mason. Ralph doesn't need you riding in on a white steed, defending him, and saving the day. You are just a tad caught up in yourself PA...much less not understanding what 'maybe' means.Yes, I forgot, I am not allowed to post on my own board anymore. Excuse me....

ryesteve
09-02-2008, 03:29 PM
Well, genius, if your analogy had any bit of validity, then Ralph would be questioning EVERY jockey whose last name appears to be of Latin American origin, would he not?I have absolutely no doubt that to some extent, he does.

There also has to be some unusual circumstances as well, for starters.And I could say that a circle-the-wagons mentality and overly defensive posturing (it wasn't even me who said "crazed Perry Mason") suggest that you have something to hide. So there's your smoking gun. It's at least as damning as a guy who merely went home (a far cry from "dropping off the face of the earth")

PaceAdvantage
09-02-2008, 04:56 PM
I have absolutely no doubt that to some extent, he does.

And I could say that a circle-the-wagons mentality and overly defensive posturing (it wasn't even me who said "crazed Perry Mason") suggest that you have something to hide. So there's your smoking gun. It's at least as damning as a guy who merely went home (a far cry from "dropping off the face of the earth")It still doesn't fly. Read the thread again. Read it in the context of a jockey being led away in handcuffs a mere two or three days prior to Ralph's comment. Then come back at me again with your nonsense.

Remove your off-topic blinders when you read this thread....then maybe you'll see that there is not even smoke where you see fire.

JimG
09-02-2008, 05:16 PM
Jara is riding in Panama. According to these results, he won a race August 30, 2008.

Jim

http://www.hipodromo.com/informacion_carreras/resultados/qnacional.htm

RichieP
09-02-2008, 05:17 PM
Jara is riding in Panama. According to these results, he won a race August 30, 2008.

Jim

http://www.hipodromo.com/informacion_carreras/resultados/qnacional.htm

Thanks Jim :)

ryesteve
09-02-2008, 06:56 PM
It still doesn't fly. Read the thread again. Read it in the context of a jockey being led away in handcuffs a mere two or three days prior to Ralph's comment.Don't talk to ME about blinders. How 'bout if YOU go back and re-read the comment in the context of coming from someone who spends way too much of his free time spewing hatred of immigrants in Off-Topic.

And do you want to know the god's honest truth?? I never even saw any of those posts until just now. I never had to see them, because I just knew. But just now I did a search on "justralph" and "alien" and I hit the mother lode. Yes, I'm guilty of "profiling" too, and this time I nailed it.

I said before, I avoid off-topic because I don't WANT to know about things like people's bigotry. I understand it's hard keeping all that crap contained in one small place, but when some of it spills over, it's really disturbing seeing you continue to bump this thread with such a vigorous and tenacious defense of something that doesn't come close to deserving it.

If you really think I'm going to say, "Hey, you're right after all... it was a completely innocent comment from someone who doesn't have an axe to grind", you might as well just get your last word in and lock this damn thread, because that ain't gonna happen.


And JimG, thanks for the reminder of the actual facts. By now, most people have probably forgotten that that was the answer to the original question.

PaceAdvantage
09-02-2008, 07:27 PM
Please, show me one post where Ralph spews hatred against an IMMIGRANT, as you say. Now remember, I didn't say ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, I said immigrant.

Please, just cut and paste one link. If you can, I will say "YOU WIN!"

I'm betting you can't. I'd also be curious if you could even produce a link where he is "spewing hatred" against even illegal immigrants. I have a feeling my definition of "spewing hatred" is a little bit tighter than yours.

I await your response eagerly. It should be an easy task, as you have "done your research."

wonatthewire1
09-02-2008, 08:35 PM
A little bit close to the end about him returning to Panama after his injury then coming back to the US in March to California - now back in Panama

http://www.ntra.com/stats_bios.aspx?id=18309

JustRalph
09-03-2008, 12:02 AM
Steve thinks he knows me, big deal. He doesn't. He calls me a xenophobe, a hater, etc.

I don't give a shit what he thinks. I am not a racist, I am a realist. I tell it like it is. No matter the color, race, religion etc. Some appreciate it, some don't.

I consider it a badge of honor to be called these things in this context. He doesn't know me. He doesn't care to. I have no problem with that.

The people who actually know me have entered this thread and voiced their opine. I appreciate that. Thanks.

Steve, you can take whatever opine you want of me. But I won't apologize to you or anybody else on who I am. I have been berated on this board for carrying a concealed weapon (with a permit) for being an ex-police officer and for being outspoken on immigration issues. If you don't like my opine, tough shit. I have some experience in the area.

From the families near my home in the Charlotte area, that my wife and I are well aware are here illegally, that we help and support when they need it, to the illegals that I dealt with in the past (all the way back to the 80's as a police officer in California and thru the mid 90's in Ohio) I have a unique perspective that maybe some of you don't. But your calling me out as a racist xenophobe on this board is bullshit and if you really knew me you might know that. But as I said, I don't care. The people who know me, know who and what I am. I don't have to measure up to any standard. I make my own standards. They are lawful, legal and based on evidence and experience, a belief system that is shaped and formed by years of experience. It's my own private outlook, You don't agree. Fine. Call me whatever you want. But this isn't about me wondering out loud if F. Jara was out of the country to avoid some type of prosecution. You found a reason to go after me. You turned it into a crusade. Had your fun? Ok, let's get back to normal. Have a nice day.

PaceAdvantage
09-04-2008, 01:39 AM
Please note this thread has been moved to off-topic, in case everyone didn't notice...