Look who's talking

[wonatthewire1]

From the article...

"WASHINGTON - Russia's use of overwhelming military force against Georgia, including strategic bombers and ballistic missiles, is disproportionate to any threat from the former Soviet state and could escalate tensions in the volatile region, a senior Bush administration official said Saturday.


"They have employed strategic bombers — the most potent air weaponry that is in the Russian arsenal .... They actually launched ballistic missile attacks on Georgian territory," the official said. He also said Russia has sent more than 1,000 paratroopers and armor into the region."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080810/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_russia_georgia

Maybe they were expecting flowers and candy?

[highnote]

It's also important to note that Georgia sought NATO membership but was denied. The reason they were denied is because NATO knew a clash between Russia and Georgia was imminent. If Georgia was part of NATO then NATO would have to back Georgia against Russia. And NATO is not interested in fighting Russia.

Georgia was also counting on US help and that is why Geogia has 2,000 troops in Iraq helping the US. However, the US is not about to go north and take on Russia at this point in time.

The irony is that Georgia felt it was acceptable to break away from Russia. But when the two regions -- S. Ossetia and Abkhazia -- want to break away from Georgia to realign with Russia, Georgia finds it unacceptable.

That's ethno-geopolitics for you.


From the same link above:

Georgia, which borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. Georgia angered Russia by seeking NATO membership — a bid Moscow regards as part of a Western effort to weaken its influence in the region.

Russia wants to "keep Georgia kind of weak and off balance and to make it hard for Georgia to join NATO," the official said.

However, he said the United States and its NATO allies will not be drawn militarily into the Russian-Georgian conflict.

"This is a very localized conflict

[wonatthewire1]

It's also important to note that Georgia sought NATO membership but was denied. The reason they were denied is because NATO knew a clash between Russia and Georgia was imminent. If Georgia was part of NATO then NATO would have to back Georgia against Russia. And NATO is not interested in fighting Russia.

Georgia was also counting on US help and that is why Geogia has 2,000 troops in Iraq helping the US. However, the US is not about to go north and take on Russia at this point in time.

From the same link above:

If we (the US of A) don't want to take on Russia, then could you suggest another pansy country that we can go to war with?

Interesting to see how feminine the US of A has become - what, that enemy is too tough to take on?

That is why we need a real conservative and CiC in the WH - John McCain, he's not going to back down from a bunch of Russkies - why they couldn't even defeat the Afghans!

:faint:

[boxcar]

The whole world should just sit back and watch the pansy peaceniks' rallies and marches protesting Russia's naked aggression against Georgia. That would surely be a sight for sore eyes.

Boxcar

[wonatthewire1]

The whole world should just sit back and watch the pansy peaceniks' rallies and marches protesting Russia's naked aggression against Georgia. That would surely be a sight for sore eyes.

Boxcar

Sure would be Boxy.

How about our current Prez? Hugging and slapping the butts of female volleyball players? All while innocent civilians are burned alive in the streets of Tbilisi? Some leader of the free world! Maybe more worried about the volleyball player's butt tattoo?

Slapping the American Flag against his thigh out of boredom during the opening ceremonies? Could you imagine the outcry from the real conservatives in this country if it were Barry HotAir or Juan McCan't?

And where the hell is Bushwacker's American Flag lapel pin? What, not running again so it is simply tossed aside?

The Georgians are going to find out real fast how much of a paper tiger the US of A is - we won't lift a finger for them because the big bad Russkies are their enemy. We wouldn't want to actually have a hot war with a real army, navy or air force. We just want another pansy to take on. Too bad the Belgians are causing all the problems; at least we'd get some decent beer and chocolate out of it.

[boxcar]

Sure would be Boxy. How about our current Prez?

How 'bout staying on topic, meathead?

Boxcar

[equicom]

The whole world should just sit back and watch the pansy peaceniks' rallies and marches protesting Russia's naked aggression against Georgia. That would surely be a sight for sore eyes.

Agreed, if they actually march naked. Some of those Russian & Georgian ladies look pretty darn good.

[boxcar]

Agreed, if they actually march naked. Some of those Russian & Georgian ladies look pretty darn good.


No, no, no. I said "naked aggression" which is different from naked people. Grab your dunce hat and stand in the corner with nose pressed against wall.

Boxcar

[equicom]

Yeah... I still think my vision of "a better tomorrow" would be workable though. I mean, it's cold there right now. Everything would be all pointy.

[wonatthewire1]

How 'bout staying on topic, meathead?

Boxcar


I was staying on topic - we'll allow the Georgians to be burned alive while their country is being invaded, so we're great allies of theirs, right?

Besides, our Prez has more pressing things to occupy himself with, like beach volleyball. And chick's tats.

Its difficult to be the world's policeman/woman - so we better be gearing up to take on the Russkies - it is about time, I've been waiting to have a hot war with those commies since 1919!

[equicom]

The problem I think you will have with the International perception is that you're picking and choosing conflicts. One minute you say you have a perfect right to barge in on someone else's business, and the next for some other conflict you say it's none of your business.

Of course there is no good reason why you should have to get involved in this new conflict, or indeed why you should care what other countries think of your conduct. You have the most weapons and the best ones, so why should you care?

If you want to be respected, you have to act with integrity, and that means being consistent. Currently your country is not consistent, other nations are getting the message that their alliance with you is one-sided, and you'll have difficulty drumming up support for your next target.

If you had stayed out of Vietnam, nobody would have these ridiculous expectations of "America to the rescue", but you sold the America Cares BS so well. Now you have a price to pay that everyone expects you to act in the face of injustice.

Vietnam became a communist country regardless of your interference, and it didn't cause any problems for you at all. Except that thousands of your young men didn't come home from a war that they shouldn't have gone to in the first place, and countless others have PTSD and disabilities caused by that war. Oh, and let's not forget the birth defects that have affected some veterans families (and indeed more so the Vietnamese people), and damaged the environement of what was once a beautiful country, meaning that this poor decision by your government will affect multiple generations of Americans and Vietnamese.

Similarly, invading Iraq has achieved nothing positive for America. In fact what you have succeeded in doing is destabilizing the Middle East, which was not a particuarly good move. You're no safer from terrorism due to invading Iraq. You are a little bit safer because you've tightened things up at home, though. There's a lesson in that.

[boxcar]

I was staying on topic - we'll allow the Georgians to be burned alive while their country is being invaded, so we're great allies of theirs, right?

Besides, our Prez has more pressing things to occupy himself with, like beach volleyball. And chick's tats.

Its difficult to be the world's policeman/woman - so we better be gearing up to take on the Russkies - it is about time, I've been waiting to have a hot war with those commies since 1919!

Hey, meathead, look around you. Why don't you list for us all the politicians on either side of the aisle, who are beating the war drums for Georgia. Is NoBama beating them? McCain? Who wants to go to war with Russia? Would the list of names even fill a two-inch long piece of paper?

And while you're searching for all those names in support of a war effort, make sure you take notice of the international observers appointed by the Useless Numbskulls who are closely monitoring the situation in Georgia. You, Georgia and the entire planet are in good hands with the U.N. So, sleep well tonight.

Boxcar

[wonatthewire1]

Hey, meathead, look around you. Why don't you list for us all the politicians on either side of the aisle, who are beating the war drums for Georgia. Is NoBama beating them? McCain? Who wants to go to war with Russia? Would the list of names even fill a two-inch long piece of paper?

And while you're searching for all those names in support of a war effort, make sure you take notice of the international observers appointed by the Useless Numbskulls who are closely monitoring the situation in Georgia. You, Georgia and the entire planet are in good hands with the U.N. So, sleep well tonight.

Boxcar

Juan McCan't and Barry the Towel aren't in charge yet - only our Bushwacker and he's front and center on the volleyball court.

Besides, everyone is saying that the Russkies are such a tough opponent? What, are we afraid of them? We'd be greeted as heroes and saviors by taking them out. Don't need no coalition of the willing either.

***meathead***

Interesting you clueless a**wipe, go find a conservative - you'll be sitting home on election day sucking wind and I think the next Prez will be a bigger spender of your precious tax dollars that the the current ***meathead***(and bad dancer) is!

:jump:

[wonatthewire1]

Hey, meathead, look around you. Why don't you list for us all the politicians on either side of the aisle, who are beating the war drums for Georgia. Is NoBama beating them? McCain? Who wants to go to war with Russia? Would the list of names even fill a two-inch long piece of paper?

And while you're searching for all those names in support of a war effort, make sure you take notice of the international observers appointed by the Useless Numbskulls who are closely monitoring the situation in Georgia. You, Georgia and the entire planet are in good hands with the U.N. So, sleep well tonight.

Boxcar


Crying to the UN again?

We don't need no stinking UN! Only wanna run to them when you are afraid?

;)

[boxcar]

Juan McCan't and Barry the Towel aren't in charge yet - only our Bushwacker and he's front and center on the volleyball court.

Hey, Dunderhead, don't ever presume to speak for me. (I doubt you know your own mind, let alone anyone else's.) The prez may be your "Bushwacker", but he's not mine.

Besides, everyone is saying that the Russkies are such a tough opponent?

Really? And just who is "everyone"? The flea-infested mouse in your pocket and the lice on your body? What's the matter? Couldn't even make a short list of war drum beaters of the elected variety? Your inane, mindless whining has had a hollow ring to it from the very beginning. You must be feeling pretty lonesome all by yourself sitting at the bottom of that empty barrel you've been banging on this thread.


Interesting you clueless a**wipe, go find a conservative - you'll be sitting home on election day sucking wind and I think the next Prez will be a bigger spender of your precious tax dollars that the the current ***meathead***(and bad dancer) is!


You must fancy yourself as a wanna-be psychic, perhaps, to again presume to know my mind -- what I'll be doing on election day? You need to find yourself a new channel because the one you're dealing with is as hollow-headed as you are. Not a real good combo.

Boxcar

[highnote]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2529986/Georgia-conflict-Screams-of-the-injured-rise-from-residential-streets.html

It was suggested that Russia was fed up with the tiny state, just one-and-a-half times the size of Luxembourg, that has largely sustained itself on smuggling, the counterfeiting of money and alleged pension fraud against the Russian authorities. US diplomats say that half the fake dollar bills on the American east coast are manufactured in South Ossetia.

[highnote]

Do you think OIL has anything to do with this conflict?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2534767/Georgia-Russia-targets-key-oil-pipeline-with-over-50-missiles.html

Russia targets key oil pipeline with over 50 missiles
Russian jets targeted a key oil pipeline with over 50 missiles in a weekend bombing raid in Georgia that raised fears the conflict will tighten Moscow's stranglehold on Europe's energy supplies.

Georgia pumps one million barrels of oil per day and supplies Europe. Fortunately, coincidentally, pre-emptively, luckily???? the pipeline was shut down last week.

[HUSKER55]

that someone finally understands the game. Oil is at the root of these conflicts and GW knows the score. Somebody's palms are being greased and it is not the taxpayer.

husker55

[lsbets]

Of course its about oil. How much has the price dropped recently? How much income has that cost Putin's Russia? The world has figured out that even though we talk about using force if necessary, we're going through the UN on Iran and military action is highly unlikely, so that prospect is no longer priced in the market. Putin needed to do something to scare the markets about supply disruptions to get the price up, and Georgia is a major transit point for oil headed to Europe. He wants it at 140 a barrel again, I'm curious to see if this will have an effect.

[acorn54]

how come when russia goes to war with georgia people want the americans to interfere but when china invades tibet, it's okay? maybe it's because of business interests,no?

[highnote]

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/did-us-military.html

Did the U.S. Prep Georgio for War with Russia?

Georgia and Russia are careening towards war. And the U.S. isn't exactly a detached observer in the fight. The American military has been training and equipping Georgian troops for years.

The news thus far: Georgia, which has been locked in a drone war over the separatist enclave of Abkhazia, has launched an offensive to reclaim another breakaway territory, South Ossetia. Latest reports indicate that Georgian forces are laying siege to Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital. And Russia, which has backed the separatists, is sending in the tanks.

So why should we care? Oh, just the prospect of a larger regional war that could drag in Russia – and involve the United States as well. Since early 2002, the U.S. government has given a healthy amount of military aid to Georgia. When I last visited South Ossetia, Georgian troops manned a checkpoint outside Tskhinvali -- decked out in surplus U.S. Army uniforms and new body armor.

[wonatthewire1]

Looks like the Russian Blitzkrieg caught us by surprise - better be doing a bit better job of intel on Russia and China - wouldn't want to be really surprised!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080811/pl_afp/georgiarussiaunrestusmilitary

[highnote]

Images of Georian/Russian war...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/216/gallery/47212-a47206-t2.html

[highnote]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/economics/story/47617.html

Russian Action Affecting Global Oil Supplies

Like many global hotspots, the conflict in the Caucasus region is in large measure about oil, specifically who controls its flow and who derives its benefits.

The BTC pipeline was built at a cost of $4 billion with support from the Bush administration. It is one of the important sources of new oil to offset falling production in Mexico and elsewhere.

But Russia, the world's second largest oil producer, was upset about competition from Baku, the capital of the former Soviet republic of Azerbaijan, and its hostile, U.S.-backed neighbor, Georgia.

[PaceAdvantage]

Looks like the Russian Blitzkrieg caught us by surprise - better be doing a bit better job of intel on Russia and China - wouldn't want to be really surprised!They're holding off on the really big suprise until they see that Obama gets into the White House. Don't worry!

[Tom]

See, now we have been "negotiating" with Russia instead of playing hard ball.
Can you imagine what they will try if Barry O gets in the WH?

[wonatthewire1]

See, now we have been "negotiating" with Russia instead of playing hard ball.
Can you imagine what they will try if Barry O gets in the WH?


Yeah, and isn't Barry O'Towel against having the missile shield too?

Looks like we started to stomp our feet a little over the last couple of days and the Bushwacker is postponing his vaca for a couple of days

:jump:

[Tom]

Which stance towards Russia do you favor, Carter of Reagan.
Obama is a fool and a joke. His solution was to get Russia to vote for a UN resolution against itself! And if they did not, he told them they would face the rathof all 57 states, or 58, whatever it was! :lol::lol::lol:

Ya know, McCain is looking better and better compared to this dumbo.
I think a lot of people just got a taste of what having a coward as CNC would be like. A lot of people.

[Secretariat]

how come when russia goes to war with georgia people want the americans to interfere but when china invades tibet, it's okay? maybe it's because of business interests,no?

Interesting no one addressed your post. Good point.

[Secretariat]

Which stance towards Russia do you favor, Carter of Reagan.
Obama is a fool and a joke. His solution was to get Russia to vote for a UN resolution against itself! And if they did not, he told them they would face the rathof all 57 states, or 58, whatever it was! :lol::lol::lol:

Ya know, McCain is looking better and better compared to this dumbo.
I think a lot of people just got a taste of what having a coward as CNC would be like. A lot of people.

I agree Tom. Let's vote McCain in, and let him invade Russia. THis is what the American people desire... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tom]

You've lost a step Sec.....hope you are up to a gruelling election.

At least with McCain, we would stand a chance.....with Dopey the Talker we would surrender.