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lamboguy
08-08-2008, 05:55 PM
this is the premier meet of all horse racing and they find a way to cancel racing twice already in the same meet. they have only lost about $30 million in handle and about $14 for every glass of water they sell.
whoever is making the decisions in this place has my permission to step down from your job. you are brain dead. you have made it impossible for me to bet your racetracks, and now you close it due to a poor sprinkler system.
i wonder what you would do if they take away your paycheck.
i will let you in on another secret, if you let me and my friends bet your track without having to open up a stupid NYRA or Twin spires account you might be able to buy about 1000 sprinkler systems that work.
the other secret i am going to let you in on is that we are never going to open an account with you or your friends. we will stick with the penn nationals, charlestowns,delewares and monmouths of the racing world, and remain loyal to our wagering company
You're negativity towards NYRA is wearing on everyone. There's no reason to start your own thread when there is already an existing conversation.
OTM Al
08-08-2008, 06:44 PM
Hey Ron, guess you never heard that AIDS was NYRA's fault as well :)
Canceled twice ? What other card did they cancel ?
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sammy the sage
08-08-2008, 09:09 PM
gotta remember...topic starter is same guy who posted gold would $1600oz and stock market would be at 16K...AT THE SAME TIME... :lol:
lamboguy
08-08-2008, 09:14 PM
hey listen pal, i got nothing against NYRA or anyone else. you go to the track, pay to park , buy your programs, forms, tipsheets, and get robbed the food and the beer, and someone decides to to throw you out of the joint like a rank sucker. but runs the daily double. give me a damn break, you cannot be that naiive. this is wrong to the customers, i wonder how many they just lost today with these shananagns..
stop and think about it pal, i am sure you are a very intelligent man. today was arogance, and very thoughless at that.
ryesteve
08-08-2008, 10:16 PM
today was arogance, and very thoughless at that.Were you even there? Your assessment of the conditions sounds pretty ignorant.
lamboguy
08-08-2008, 10:52 PM
i wasn't there, but i did have family and friends there. we had a few horses in today in later races. i will tell you this, everyone was pissed off, including guys that worked for NYRA, along with most trainers and patrons of the place.
i won't be there until the new york bred sale next week. just wondering how many horses you had in today, and maybe some of your family and friends were there as well!!
ryesteve
08-08-2008, 11:05 PM
i wasn't there'nuff said
we had a few horses in today in later racesAssuming your trainer didn't have the common sense to scratch them, then they did you a favor by not letting them run over what was left of the track.
everyone was pissed offI wasn't too happy either, getting stuck in a monsoon, but I'm not about to blame NYRA for it...
lamboguy
08-08-2008, 11:13 PM
rsteve, i guess maybe i am ignorant. but what about the horse?
i am sure you work hard with all the 2 years olds you have at the races.
let me tell you, i have been at it for 20 years now, and when your horse is ready to run, you want it to run. you don't want to wait around and see if the horse can injure himself. in today's world they are a very expensive investment, and try paying trainers, van rides and vet bills these days. not to mention pre-race, pony to post and all that back stretch insurance you pay in new york.
steve, you must be a millionaire and not want paupers like me in this game. i only had a few horses that run there that they named stakes races for.
and thanks for calling me ignorant, i am glad you are so smart to do that
lamboguy
08-08-2008, 11:22 PM
first of all it wasn't NYRA that cancelled racing it was the stewards. track maintanance claimed it would have taken an hour to make the track safe.
instead of working on it, the maintenance crew left home early.
i know someone that shipped in from monmouth, cost him$1200 for a van ride, back and forth. he's gonna have to pay that same $1200 again if he is lucky enough to get his race again this meet. i understand about monsoons and weather conditions, but for 1 lousy hour of inconvienience for a few, just to keep others a little happy would have been some good will. they took the opposite aproach.
dutchboy
08-09-2008, 01:47 AM
May be the first step in a secret conspiracy to bring in a synthetic dirt surface for NYRA racetracks.Time to check who at NYRA/Saratoga has a financial interest in one of the fake dirt track suppliers.
PaceAdvantage
08-09-2008, 04:27 AM
this is the premier meet of all horse racing and they find a way to cancel racing twice already in the same meet.Twice? Just the start of your misinformation? Or did I fall asleep for 24 hours and not notice?
PaceAdvantage
08-09-2008, 04:31 AM
This lambo guy is placing the inconvenience of trainers and customers above the safety of horse and rider? Wow...and here I thought this guy was an ok poster. Shows you my instincts aren't what they once were...
Bobzilla
08-09-2008, 07:18 AM
May be the first step in a secret conspiracy to bring in a synthetic dirt surface for NYRA racetracks.Time to check who at NYRA/Saratoga has a financial interest in one of the fake dirt track suppliers.
Similar thoughts crossed my mind as well, Dutchboy.
098poi
08-09-2008, 07:24 AM
This lambo guy is placing the inconvenience of trainers and customers above the safety of horse and rider? Wow...and here I thought this guy was an ok poster. Shows you my instincts aren't what they once were...
safety of horse and rider
First and foremost!
sammy the sage
08-09-2008, 07:26 AM
""placing the inconvenience of trainers and customers above the safety of horse and rider? Wow""
BINGO!
We close my business right before lightning storms...for every-one's safety...you wouldn't BELIEVE how many IDIOTS come out w/umbrellla's and want to drag employee's around out in the weather.....
After two VERY CLOSE calls...and realizing you cannot ACCOUNT for sheer STUPIDITY...we close...lost revenue just not worth...
Besides if one did get hit and killed....I would GET SUED for their retardedness!
ryesteve
08-09-2008, 07:55 AM
in today's world they are a very expensive investmentThen why are you so hell-bent on risking your "expensive investments" by running them over a track that had a high probability of having some very unsafe spots on it?
and thanks for calling me ignorant, i am glad you are so smart to do thatI didn't call YOU ignorant, I called your assessment ignorant, which it was, because it was formed without first-hand knowledge of the conditions
instead of working on it, the maintenance crew left home early.That's ridicukous. Are you telling me the track fixed itself, or did they cancel today's card too? :rolleyes:
onefast99
08-09-2008, 08:52 AM
i wasn't there, but i did have family and friends there. we had a few horses in today in later races. i will tell you this, everyone was pissed off, including guys that worked for NYRA, along with most trainers and patrons of the place.
i won't be there until the new york bred sale next week. just wondering how many horses you had in today, and maybe some of your family and friends were there as well!!
I was at MP when the news came down about Saratoga, the track was in bad shape and the lightening strikes didnt help out either. If the jockeys felt the track was dangerous for them and the horses that is all you need to end racing for the day. Yes everyone would like to see them race thru it but today it seemed as if the weather was getting worse.
jognlope
08-09-2008, 09:24 AM
They put the safety of the horses and jockeys above dollars and I think that is a good thing.
lamboguy
08-09-2008, 10:10 AM
i think you missed the most important part of this fiasco. after track maintenance said they would get the track right in about an hour, they decide to cancel racing, yet keep the track open for simulcasting!
i am going to guarantee you one thing, at least 90% of the people that showed up to the saratoga race course, were not there to indulge upon the fine art of the simulcasting product that they put out.
and if they deemed the weather conditions so bad, why didn't they just shut the whole place down, and send everyone home, because they had to be concened about their patron's safety
i am sure that all of us that have been going to saratoga for years have seen much worse conditions than this one yesterday, where you had to wait for racing to resume. there were times when the temperature and humidity were excrutiating and they still ran. i beleive that once it was so hot that they did cancel. and i thought they got it right that time.
i know its easy to criticise me, i am not always correct with all the facts. i am sure you guys are alot smarter than i am, probably have done more for racing than i ever will. i just question your common sense.
RaceBookJoe
08-09-2008, 11:14 AM
I was at the track and the rains were coming down really hard. There was lightning flashing from time to time...all in all i thought it was a dangerous situation and even said to the group i was with that the day might get cancelled. As far as track maintainance going home early...they were out on the track as I was leaving....3pm??. When I woke this morning there was a nice article in the Albany Times Union about what happened. Baeza made the call to cancel and interview with a couple of jockeys said it was too dangerous. Also a pic of the crew working on the track, and video on the local news. rbj
Valuist
08-09-2008, 11:20 AM
I know this is a conspiracy theory but we know the riders have a say in these cancellations. There's so many Saratoga jocks who had to travel to Arlington for Saturday's card: Johnny V, Leparoux, Albarado, Desormeux and Cornelio Velasquez. Maybe they didn't lobby for it but I doubt they had to have their arms twisted, knowing they had to go out of town.
lamboguy
08-09-2008, 11:25 AM
i was just told that the backside got drenched in the rain, and they thought it was going to be to hard to get the horses from the backside over to the main track. the maintenance crew did say that they could get the track safe in an hour's time though.
the only thing that bothers me is that we have seen the track as bad or worse before simulcasting, and they never cancelled before. the age of simulcasting has changed things alot in the racing industry.
ryesteve
08-09-2008, 11:26 AM
i am sure that all of us that have been going to saratoga for years have seen much worse conditions than this one yesterdayYou didn't "see" the conditions yesterday. Basing that conclusion on second-hand pissing and moaning is a little shaky.
and if they deemed the weather conditions so bad, why didn't they just shut the whole place down, and send everyone home, because they had to be concened about their patron's safetySee? This is where the second-hand pissing and moaning you're listening to is short-changing you. It was bright and sunny when they cancelled. But sections of the track were pretty much gone. So what on earth would've been the rationale in cancelling the simulcasting?
And you know, I went looking for quotes saying that they would've had the track ready-to-go in an hour, and all the quotes I'm seeing are saying that it would've taken MORE THAN an hour to repair it. When you leave out those two words from the quote, it kinda makes a difference.
Valuist
08-09-2008, 11:36 AM
There is an interesting point brought up earlier: in the "old" days, we never saw cancellations. Was track management wrong back then? Or are tracks too cautious now? This isn't just NYRA; this is any track. Even Gulfstream had a cancellation or two in the past 2 seasons. I happened to make my first ever visit to Saratoga a week ago. Fortunately, no cancellations. But had this been the week I decided to go, I would've been pissed and certainly could understand those who were.
They canceled because that was the only call. Can you imagine having a thundering group of powerful thoroughbreds come into that turn and see gaping holes in the sloppy surface?
Don't blame Charlie Hayward for this one. Don't blame anyone. When it rains as hard as it did Friday afternoon, what can you do?
Hall of Fame jockey Edgar Prado, who was supposed to ride Fearless Vision in the third, said he saw three holes in the track.
"I have seen it like this a couple times, not here but in Florida," Prado said. "I think they have to look after the safety of the horses and the jockeys. They had to make sure everything was safe before they sent us out. We saw it and there is no way we could ride. "NYRA steward Braulio Baeza said it wasn't possible to wait longer for the track to be fixed because some horses are on medications that would wear off.
Marshall Bennett
08-09-2008, 01:47 PM
Hell you could have a mile wide sink hole swallow up the track and there would be those complaining of a consiracy by the jockeys / trainers or whatever . The weather effects most all sports , why would this be any different . :)
Pace Cap'n
08-09-2008, 02:50 PM
"NYRA steward Braulio Baeza said it wasn't possible to wait longer for the track to be fixed because some horses are on medications that would wear off.
Anyone know what some of these meds might be?
lamboguy
08-09-2008, 03:05 PM
you know something, i did not even think about the drugs, but i asked some trainers about the cancellation and they thought it was the only thing they could do, others said they were dead wrong!
as far as i know lasix and amicar last in the system over 24 hours. i am not sure if new york allows the amicar. teh only other thing i can think of is that new york doesn't allow you to use clem i think 4 days before the race, some jurisdictions allow 24 hours. the guys that use the clem might be cutting it close and are afraid their horses won'tperform. in new york you have trainers that are afraid to run a horse that underperforms because their owners will take them away from them in a new york minute.
a day later i have heard of various reasons why they felt the decision was right to cancel. i don't. i was going to bet on 2 winners
SaratogaSteve
08-09-2008, 04:46 PM
I can't believe some of what I've read here. Again, the embittered attitudes of some makes me wonder why any track management, NYRA specifically, would want to be in this business. For years, we've been reading about needing to improve safety for the horses. Racing is canceled after a massive storm, and bitching ensues. NYRA needs the income, so they keep simulcasting going in a presumably safe grandstand, and get lambasted for that. I really don't understand the mindset of endless bitching by a few armchair quarterbacks. I'd think any track management would be right in telling some here to take a very long walk off a short pier, and take the gambling dollars somewhere else.
Saratoga has canceled due to weather before, taking the concern of the patrons and horseflesh into account. I can remember two occasions specifically - once when the backyard was flooded out, and once when several infield trees were taken out.
Lastly, lamboguy, I think your gripes would be respected if you came clean and posted who you are. If you have made contributiuons to the sport of kings as an owner, and have stakes races named after your horses, I can't for the life of me understand a) your point of view and b) why you come here to bitch, and don't go directly to NYRA.
Marshall Bennett
08-09-2008, 05:28 PM
I can't believe some of what I've read here. Again, the embittered attitudes of some makes me wonder why any track management, NYRA specifically, would want to be in this business. For years, we've been reading about needing to improve safety for the horses. Racing is canceled after a massive storm, and bitching ensues. NYRA needs the income, so they keep simulcasting going in a presumably safe grandstand, and get lambasted for that. I really don't understand the mindset of endless bitching by a few armchair quarterbacks. I'd think any track management would be right in telling some here to take a very long walk off a short pier, and take the gambling dollars somewhere else.
Saratoga has canceled due to weather before, taking the concern of the patrons and horseflesh into account. I can remember two occasions specifically - once when the backyard was flooded out, and once when several infield trees were taken out.
Lastly, lamboguy, I think your gripes would be respected if you came clean and posted who you are. If you have made contributiuons to the sport of kings as an owner, and have stakes races named after your horses, I can't for the life of me understand a) your point of view and b) why you come here to bitch, and don't go directly to NYRA.
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sammy the sage
08-09-2008, 08:12 PM
"" i was going to bet on 2 winners"" :faint: :lol: :D
thanks for making my day...a little laughter goes a long ways!
lamboguy
08-10-2008, 02:14 AM
i am glad that at least i could make you laugh. outside of being a poor prognosticator in the equity and commodity markets, i am a worse horse-race bettor. i lose every single day i bet. i should give you my picks so you could bet against them on a regular basis. if you did this i guarantee you would be the wealthiest man in north america.
i am probably one of the smaller bettors on this site. but that doesn't have to limit the amounts you can bet against my picks.
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