A 40 Year Old Tote Board Angle - They are coming to take me away ho ho he he

[BeatTheChalk]

Yup. The tote is alive and quite well. At least for the last week or so. I am
taking some time off and decided to watch live video from around the the USA

Tote Board Tommy's rules were : Betting Favorites only. Check the pools
to see what the Spread is from the Win Pool to the Show Pool. Must be at
least 9 times the pool -- 10 is better -- and anything above that is fantastic.

There is a built in problem : How late can we wait ? It is amazing how the
pools tend to FILL UP near post time. But not always. Today there was a race
with a 17 to one Ratio. Won for fun.. as well it should.

So there you have it. Perhaps You have a comment. There are so many
ways to bet a race these days - that I didnt think the system would work.
So far it seems to be doing ok . And now --U know the REST of the story
:jump: :)

[RaceBookJoe]

The only comment is that the method is older than 40 years, but if it works it works haha. rbj

[McSock]

One of the old guys that frequents the OTB I go to uses it a lot. Seems to work well for him

[toetoe]

Recording artist Napoleon XIV's real name was Jerry Samuels.

[BeatTheChalk]

The only comment is that the method is older than 40 years, but if it works it works haha. rbj

Yah got me there :jump: Can you imagine trying to use the system
back in the day. No home computers - no automatic teller machines. We just
stood in line and tried to watch the tote. :bang:
Ahh but now it is soo easy. So many more chances to see the pools come
back down to normal .. right at post time :rolleyes:

[RaceBookJoe]

Yah got me there :jump: Can you imagine trying to use the system
back in the day. No home computers - no automatic teller machines. We just
stood in line and tried to watch the tote. :bang:
Ahh but now it is soo easy. So many more chances to see the pools come
back down to normal .. right at post time :rolleyes:

Actually it was very easy back then, and you didnt have to worry about the pools filling up. What you had to do was find a window close enough to a viewable tote. My dad taught me how when I was 7. If you were quick enough math wise, you could come pretty close to telling how much got bet from one flash to the next.....big bets would be pretty easy to see. It was fiarly reliable but think it worked best on first-time starters, shippers and for some reason I remember hitting may horses between 5-1 and 8-1. rbj

[bigmack]

Recording artist Napoleon XIV's real name was Jerry Samuels.
That is correct sir.

Q: When Jer found his fame went awol, he 'made a living':

A: Making roach clips and selling them to head shops
B: Performing at nursing homes & senior facilities in the greater Philly area.
C: Both of the above

Correct answer:
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u70/macktime/c.jpg

[BlueShoe]

Pool ratios still one of my favorite ways to spot non public action.Favorites tend to be underbet in the place and show pools until late in the betting,when they fill.A better play is to catch the non favorite that is out-of-line.For example,the 3rd choice in the win pool is 5th choice in the place and show pool untill late in the betting.Light handicapping is advised.The possible play could be a need to lead type that either wins or finishes up the track,or a comebacker thats been away a long time.

[BeatTheChalk]

Recording artist Napoleon XIV's real name was Jerry Samuels.

I had a verrry good friend .. .growing up. His Name Is Steve Samuels. Now I
dont know if he is related .....But his Dad was one of the last throwbacks to
the over bearing boss who worked his way up to the top.
He literally started as a Rag man and ended up OWNING most of the
good warehouses .. down town St Loo ...On the waterfront. Most of us
were scared of him Gruff and Ruff ...but deep down .. heart of gold.
And now you know the rest of the Samuels Story. Goodnite :jump:

[Jake]

Yup. The tote is alive and quite well. At least for the last week or so. I am
taking some time off and decided to watch live video from around the the USA

Tote Board Tommy's rules were : Betting Favorites only. Check the pools
to see what the Spread is from the Win Pool to the Show Pool. Must be at
least 9 times the pool -- 10 is better -- and anything above that is fantastic.

There is a built in problem : How late can we wait ? It is amazing how the
pools tend to FILL UP near post time. But not always. Today there was a race
with a 17 to one Ratio. Won for fun.. as well it should.

So there you have it. Perhaps You have a comment. There are so many
ways to bet a race these days - that I didnt think the system would work.
So far it seems to be doing ok . And now --U know the REST of the story
:jump: :)

Sorry to be dense here. Are you saying you want your favorite to have 9 times the win pool amount (not percent of pool) over the show pool? Please make this clear to me. The reason I'm asking is that I often fade these horses. Thanks.

Jake

[Overlay]

Sorry to be dense here. Are you saying you want your favorite to have 9 times the win pool amount (not percent of pool) over the show pool? Please make this clear to me. The reason I'm asking is that I often fade these horses. Thanks.

I believe that's what he's saying (that the amount (not percent of the pool) bet to win on the favorite must be at least nine times the amount bet on it to show).

As BlueShoe commented, I would think that this would be a more potent angle with non-favorites. If someone were trying to engineer a betting coup, it seems to me that they would do it with a longer-odds horse, but that the amount bet to win on that horse would be disproportionate to the place and show pools (from a ranking standpoint).

[vikingrob]

I believe that's what he's saying (that the amount (not percent of the pool) bet to win on the favorite must be at least nine times the amount bet on it to show).

As BlueShoe commented, I would think that this would be a more potent angle with non-favorites. If someone were trying to engineer a betting coup, it seems to me that they would do it with a longer-odds horse, but that the amount bet to win on that horse would be disproportionate to the place and show pools (from a ranking standpoint).

Another question is how to deal with minus-pool situations - does this angle hold there?

[ryesteve]

Another question is how to deal with minus-pool situations - does this angle hold there?No worse than in any other situation...

[Jake]

I believe that's what he's saying (that the amount (not percent of the pool) bet to win on the favorite must be at least nine times the amount bet on it to show).

As BlueShoe commented, I would think that this would be a more potent angle with non-favorites. If someone were trying to engineer a betting coup, it seems to me that they would do it with a longer-odds horse, but that the amount bet to win on that horse would be disproportionate to the place and show pools (from a ranking standpoint).

Thank you. That's what I thought he was saying. If you look at percentage of pool, you sometimes see a horse with this pattern: 25%-18%-13%. I play against these stair-step horses if I can find their pace segment weakness. However, something that looks like this:25%-25%-13% becomes a possible show wager. Just my experience....

Jake

[BeatTheChalk]

Sorry to be dense here. Are you saying you want your favorite to have 9 times the win pool amount (not percent of pool) over the show pool? Please make this clear to me. The reason I'm asking is that I often fade these horses. Thanks.

Jake

I was indeed talking about The Horse's own pool. Divide the win dollars
by the show dollars. In most cases - the horse who has 9 times the pool
or more ...IS the favorite. I checked the boards today ( Sat 26th ) and
it was ALMOST impossible to find a horse with the right numbers.
There was a 17 to 1 ratio .. in a maiden race. Can't recall the track
but the horse won from here to the MOON .. and back. :lol: