Teach your children well..........what a crock!

[JustRalph]

As a certified news junkie I read a ton of stuff every day. I have four books going at a time usually and multiple mags. I sometimes find things that just make me shake my head. This article is one of them. Instead of having a broader discussion about why Mr. Homeless is "homeless" these guys went another way............ to the detriment of their kids if you ask me.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/07/02/hunger.house/index.html

The fact that they are going to send the funds overseas floors me too. This is one of the problems with our country. We teach our kids this drivel.

"Hannah's awakening to social injustice, and her family's ability to make a difference in that issue will make a profound difference in the lives of tens of thousands of people," he said, estimating the money could affect more than 20,000 people in Ghana.

Hannah's 13-year-old brother, Joseph, was so impressed with his big sister's ideas that he made a three-minute video of the family's project."

Maybe they can turn the "social injustice" lesson into a lesson about economics and free markets..........based on the fact they too cannot sell their home.........no matter the cause ..........

[PaceAdvantage]

I believe this one quote from the above article pretty much defines the Marxist/Communist/Socialist/Obamaist/Far-Left Wing Democrat view of the world:"I said to my dad, 'If that guy didn't have such a nice car, then that guy could have a nice meal,' " the 15-year-old from Atlanta, Georgia, recalled.You read this kind of thing all the time if you visit any of the hardcore left-wing message boards and blogs. Scary times indeed...

[wonatthewire1]

I believe this one quote from the above article pretty much defines the Marxist/Communist/Socialist/Obamaist/Far-Left Wing Democrat view of the world:You read this kind of thing all the time if you visit any of the hardcore left-wing message boards and blogs. Scary times indeed...


Yeah, that 15 year-old sure has some wacky Karl Marxy ideas.

Hey, Pace, what were you thinking about when you were 15? And if your parents were multi-millionaires, would you have thought the same things?

Seems rather reasonable - rich people are always giving money to those less fortunate. We sponsor 9 kids through Save the Children - what is the big deal?

Maybe the "homeless" guy was a vet - but then again, why bother finding out, he/she is dirty and homeless - so it is their own fault.

Remember, those people buy stuff too - they too assist the economy in their country and buy our exports - that was the whole idea of Pappa Bush's New World Order - the global economy!

:)

Keep all you can - perhaps someday you'll make a difference too - besides sprouting slogans and hoping that some dopey politician in Washingtoon will see things your way. They only see it their way and to their and their pal's benefit.

:D

[PaceAdvantage]

Yeah, that 15 year-old sure has some wacky Karl Marxy ideas.

Hey, Pace, what were you thinking about when you were 15? And if your parents were multi-millionaires, would you have thought the same things?What difference should it make what her age is? I was talking about what she stated. I wasn't trying to say she was a Marxist, just that what she stated was a perfect example of the current mindset of the far-left in this country. It also happens to gel nicely with traditional Marxist teachings.

The rich are too rich, and they should be made to help those who are less rich. Sounds wonderful. What's next? Those that are neat freaks will be ordered by government to clean the houses of the slovenly?

[wonatthewire1]

What difference should it make what her age is? I was talking about what she stated. I wasn't trying to say she was a Marxist, just that what she stated was a perfect example of the current mindset of the far-left in this country. It also happens to gel nicely with traditional Marxist teachings.

The rich are too rich, and they should be made to help those who are less rich. Sounds wonderful. What's next? Those that are neat freaks will be ordered by government to clean the houses of the slovenly?


Wow - you've got some interesting "thoughts"

Deep breath - the kid making the statement is 15, stop for a second, 15 years old, like a freshman in HS. Might want to save dolphins and whales too - like a lot of 15 year olds. At least the kid isn't running a meth lab in Omaha. And the family has a lot of money - plenty to assist others. Nobody is "making them" do anything.

"Made" is a strong word - where is that in any part of the article? Please point it out.

They are doing what they want to do - they earned that right - and if they so choose. Maybe someday you'll have plenty enough too to contribute to society. Isn't that what the current administration is advocating with the churches and other charities picking up what the govt can't or won't. Sounds like the R's are advocating Commie/Pinko collectivism right under our noses!

:lol:

[Pace Cap'n]

To demonstrate their total committment, they should only sell the house to someone downsizing from 12,000 sq. ft., who in turn would have to sell his to a 24,000 sf downsizer, etc.

[boxcar]

Wow - you've got some interesting "thoughts"

Deep breath - the kid making the statement is 15, stop for a second, 15 years old, like a freshman in HS. Might want to save dolphins and whales too - like a lot of 15 year olds. At least the kid isn't running a meth lab in Omaha. And the family has a lot of money - plenty to assist others. Nobody is "making them" do anything.

"Made" is a strong word - where is that in any part of the article? Please point it out.

They are doing what they want to do - they earned that right - and if they so choose. Maybe someday you'll have plenty enough too to contribute to society. Isn't that what the current administration is advocating with the churches and other charities picking up what the govt can't or won't. Sounds like the R's are advocating Commie/Pinko collectivism right under our noses!

:lol:

But when Big Gov wants to raise our taxes for the purpose of wealth redistribution purposes, e.g. to enlarge the welfare state, create more entitlement programs, etc., then it is making us participate in the handouts process under the force of highly immoral tax laws and other types of statutes. And that, sir, is precisely what any good Marxist-oriented government would do -- rob The People of their personal property under the guise of law.

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

Deep breath - the kid making the statement is 15, stop for a second, 15 years old, like a freshman in HS. Might want to save dolphins and whales too - like a lot of 15 year olds.Forget about the fact that she is 15...a kid. That makes no difference. It's the statement uttered from the mouth of a human being growing up in this current political and economic, media-soaked environment. As if folks twice her age don't have the same exact thoughts and make the same exact statements!

[OTM Al]

Reminds me of a saying about young people my friend once said and I think it does ring true. He said that if you did not believe in communism by the time you are 18, you have no heart. If you still believe in it by the time you are 25, you have no brain. Young people simply don't recognize the layers of complexity that have been built up, rightly or wrongly, and just don't understand why something can't just be fixed. Once in a while I wonder if they are sometimes right, but would never tell them so :)

[Bubbles]

Once in a while I wonder if they are sometimes right, but would never tell them so :)Don't worry; we kids always know we're right! ;)

[Suff]

Why people are homeless is not discussion of any worth. 60% are homeless because of mental illness, 30% are drug addicts and alcoholics, the remainder are tiny fractions of health, prison , family issues. 80% are homeless for 6 months or less. Half work.



PA have you ever read Marx? I doubt it. Stop abusing words that you have no understanding of their meaning.

Countries do not morph into socialism, they begin as socialist after a war, or revolution. Socialism has no private property rights, and socialism involves a monopoly on all means of production. Agriculture , manufacturing and so on. It is impossible for America to morph into what your suggesting.


Can I once and for all get you guy stop with another myth?

Income redistribution is not a component of Socialism, its a component of Capitalism. 8 of 10 US economist's advocate income redistribution and view it as a primary role of the government. That includes our current Fed Chief and Allen Greenspan. Look it up...do some home work.


Let me introduce you to your comrades and ask yourself , who is circulating this story with a similar tenor of whats is in this thread? What type of people are turning this very nice demonstration of goodwill into an act of stupidity? I hope your proud of who shares you philosophy.


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[wonatthewire1]

Why people are homeless is not discussion of any worth. 60% are homeless because of mental illness, 30% are drug addicts and alcoholics, the remainder are tiny fractions of health, prison , family issues. 80% are homeless for 6 months or less. Half work.



PA have you ever read Marx? I doubt it. Stop abusing words that you have no understanding of their meaning.

Countries do not morph into socialism, they begin as socialist after a war, or revolution. Socialism has no private property rights, and socialism involves a monopoly on all means of production. Agriculture , manufacturing and so on. It is impossible for America to morph into what your suggesting.


Can I once and for all get you guy stop with another myth?

Income redistribution is not a component of Socialism, its a component of Capitalism. 8 of 10 US economist's advocate income redistribution and view it as a primary role of the government. That includes our current Fed Chief and Allen Greenspan. Look it up...do some home work.


Let me introduce you to your comrades and ask yourself , who is circulating this story with a similar tenor of whats is in this thread? What type of people are turning this very nice demonstration of goodwill into an act of stupidity? I hope your proud of who shares you philosophy.


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Ummm...I looked it up and Greenie has been out for a couple of years.

PA probably would be mad at the guy who lives down the road from me.

Probably worth like $100 million or so - 2 (!) mansions, at least 12 people working on the place all the time (and live there). Owns a couple of companies, probably employing 70+ people. Living the American dream!

But recently (GASP) gave more than $8 million to a group to help build homes for the less fortunate than himself. Couple of million to buy some farmland so that it would remain green rather than condos.

He, like the people in Atlanta in the story, will be much more than generous with money helping a lot of people - can't spend it all on himself.

Someday some of you guys will have "enough" to do the same - but what is the point of criticizing someone who willingly does what they want with $ - even if it is to get some people out of a losing cycle and on a better road?

[IBCNU]

Why people are homeless is not discussion of any worth. 60% are homeless because of mental illness, 30% are drug addicts and alcoholics, the remainder are tiny fractions of health, prison , family issues. 80% are homeless for 6 months or less. Half work.



PA have you ever read Marx? I doubt it. Stop abusing words that you have no understanding of their meaning.

Countries do not morph into socialism, they begin as socialist after a war, or revolution. Socialism has no private property rights, and socialism involves a monopoly on all means of production. Agriculture , manufacturing and so on. It is impossible for America to morph into what your suggesting.


Can I once and for all get you guy stop with another myth?

Income redistribution is not a component of Socialism, its a component of Capitalism. 8 of 10 US economist's advocate income redistribution and view it as a primary role of the government. That includes our current Fed Chief and Allen Greenspan. Look it up...do some home work.


Let me introduce you to your comrades and ask yourself , who is circulating this story with a similar tenor of whats is in this thread? What type of people are turning this very nice demonstration of goodwill into an act of stupidity? I hope your proud of who shares you philosophy.


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Income redistribution is certainly a component of a government that is "morphing" into a socialist one, aka Hugo Chavez, and his nationalisation of the oil refineries. Or should I say 'redistribution". Countries most certainly do morph into socialism, as well as by force. It usually begins with an out of control government bent on its "primary role" of income redistribution through onerous taxes, regulation, etc. No economist who has ever truly taken risk, delivered a product, or run a large business outside of his ivory tower would advocate income redistribution as a Primary role of government. God bless Milton Freidman.

[Dave Schwartz]

Personally, I see what these people did as heroic. Good for them.

They believe in helping people and they chose to sell their property to accomplish that. I applaud them.

Many people with such beliefs do not give up theirproperty; rather they demand that you and I give up ours.



Regards,
Dave Schwartz

[Suff]

Income redistribution is certainly a component of a government that is "morphing" into a socialist one, aka Hugo Chavez, and his nationalisation of the oil refineries. Or should I say 'redistribution". Countries most certainly do morph into socialism, as well as by force. It usually begins with an out of control government bent on its "primary role" of income redistribution through onerous taxes, regulation, etc. No economist who has ever truly taken risk, delivered a product, or run a large business outside of his ivory tower would advocate income redistribution as a Primary role of government. God bless Milton Freidman.

Its a free country and people are free to inform themselves. Winston Churchill said 'The strongest arguement against democracy is a five minute chat with the average citizen"

Milton Freidman through negative taxation endorsed income redistribution. Family of four who paid $2000 in taxes would get an $8000 refund resulting in $6000 income redstribution. A family of four with no income would get $24,000.


Socialism on paceadvantage has 120 meanings. People throw it around whenever they need a word to mean "I am an idiot who has no word for this thought I have"

Socialism when placed in the same sentence as Marxism does have definate meaning. And Marx, being a philospher and social scientist based all his ideas on "Natutral State". Natural state to mean anarachy, no laws, no rules, True freedom. Then men make the first social compact of 'I will not harm you and you will not harm me".

At that point man is no longer free, but becomes a man with rights. Because he agrees to restrain his will in that social compact of "do no harm".

So Marxism/socialism is not something you can morph into. There are many that say the same of communism and that in fact no true communist state has ever existed. Lenin's government is sometimes referd to as Capitalism Communism, because he allowed profit taking and wealth building.

here's a couple of stories describing Freidmans income redistribution theories. I repeat... Income redistribution is a component of captialism.




Market forces can accomplish wonderful things, he realized, but they cannot ensure a distribution of income that enables all citizens to meet basic economic needs. His proposal, which he called the negative income tax, was to replace the multiplicity of existing welfare programs with a single cash transfer — say, $6,000 — to every citizen. A family of four with no market income would thus receive an annual payment from the I.R.S. of $24,000. For each dollar the family then earned, this payment would be reduced by some fraction — perhaps 50 percent. A family of four earning $12,000 a year, for example, would receive a net supplement of $18,000 (the initial $24,000 less the $6,000 tax on its earnings). [giving a total income of 30,000]

Mr. Friedman... was above all a pragmatist... If the main problem of the poor is that they have too little money, he reasoned, the simplest and cheapest solution is to give them some more. He saw no advantage in hiring armies of bureaucrats to dispense food stamps, energy stamps, day care stamps and rent subsidies.



http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/11/milton_friedman_1.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/23/business/23scene.html
this link is good because you can blame the Liberal NY Times and deny , deny , deny.

[PaceAdvantage]

PA have you ever read Marx? I doubt it. Stop abusing words that you have no understanding of their meaning.That's a good one. Have you moved onto stand-up as your next vocation?

Income redistribution is not a component of Socialism, its a component of Capitalism.Have YOU ever read Marx? Judging by this comment, the answer might just be a resounding no. Go back and read again. Not a component of Marx's idea of socialism my ass.

Let me introduce you to your comrades and ask yourself , who is circulating this story with a similar tenor of whats is in this thread? What type of people are turning this very nice demonstration of goodwill into an act of stupidity? I hope your proud of who shares you philosophy.


"Pace Advantage brotherhood"You have turned into one serious sick MOFO. In no WAY is there a similar tenor between this thread and that pig shit of a website you had the balls to link to, but I have removed in the name of good taste.

No matter how much lipstick you keep putting on that psuedo-intellectual bullshit of yours, it's still ugly, uninviting, and more often than not, plain wrong.

[PaceAdvantage]

You know, a lot of you missed the point of my inital comment on this story.

Not once did I say people should not help others who are in need.

[PaceAdvantage]

I still maintain though, that the following statement, and the philosophy behind it, should scare the shit out of you:If that guy didn't have such a nice car, then that guy could have a nice meal...

[boxcar]

Suff is brainwashed, PA. You're wasting your time with him. But he's right in one thing: Income Redistribution became a part of Capitalism when the government went against the wisdom of the founding fathers by instituting the income tax system. Once the government has their greedy fingers in our pockets to confiscate our personal property, then there's really no limits as to what it can do with that money. Of course, what Suff won't acknowledge is that this is precisely how Socialism encroaches upon our freedoms. It's long been understood that the more government controls The People's personal property rights, the less freedom we have.

Boxcar