Premier Turf Club

[lamboguy]

today i saw the start of the california fair season, so i went to my account and went looking for the pleasonton fair. it wasn't there, i called ian the manager at premier turf club and asked him why he didn't carry the venue.
he answered that the california horsemen denied his aplication, i asked did they give you a reason, he said no reason. later i found out that 2 offshore adw's were granted permission to carry the signal. the amount of money they pay is considerably less than what premier turf club offered for the same signal. i also found out that these 2 offshore entities pay no state taxes like premier turf club does. ian meyers devoloped a busienss plan to include smaller players to this game. he also introduces new players to the sport. i have been on this board for a year now and have not heard one bad word about premier turf club. a matter of fact they also sponser pace advantage board. a board that is read by lots of people in the racing industry.
i think it would be wise to write letters to the california horsemen telling them that they are wrong in denying premier turf the fair signals at this time, and grant them to other entities outside the contiguous 50 states in our country.

[boomman]

Address the letters to Drew Couto......He's the one responsible for the denial..

Boomer

[ddog]

save the postage, donate to some worthy cause.

THEY DO NOT CARE!!!!!!!

[PaceAdvantage]

I think the most important point that wasn't stated is that Premier Turf Club's action ACTUALLY GOES INTO THE PARI-MUTUEL POOLS, unlike most if not all of those off-shore ADWs....

These 2 off-shore ADWs that you mention were granted the signal...are they pari-mutuel operations?

[BillW]

These 2 off-shore ADWs that you mention were granted the signal...are they pari-mutuel operations?

I seem to remember some speculation about (maybe thinking aloud ;) ) That ownership may be partly based in CA. Hmmm, food for thought.

[Indulto]

Can NYRA rewards members who qualify for rebates bet California tracks through their accounts?

[lamboguy]

yes, they were ELITE and the kirk brooks company, without those 2 company's churchill downs and california tracks might as well shut their doors down, those 2 places account for over 1/3 of the total handle in those parimutual pools. without them you would see much smaller sized pools, and regular people walking into simulcast, casino's and the actual tracks would not be betting as much into their pools if anything at all.

when you look at wagering in NYRA compared with the places that deal with these 2 entities, NYRA handle has gone down since they stopped sending their signal to those 2 places, and california tracks have gone up. that is the total handle.

the main problem i see with this is that the offshore houses do not bring in fresh faces to the table. ian myers of premier turf club is forced to work hard for the racing industry to bring fresh blood in, otherwise his company would not be able to survive.

what is happening here is that the company's that suck off of racing are being rewarded, while the person that is trying to do some good for the racing game is being punished.

ian myers has spent millions to develop a decent platform to make his website user friendly, he also has ONSHORE live phone operators for those that cannot or donot want to wager over the internet. the other 2 places started their business with nothing more than a pad of paper and a few pencils, and are offshore to reap every single advantage known to man. they do nothing to promote racing at all.

an example i want to give you is that ian myers put out a clockers report for keeneland meet. it was the most in depth report i have ever seen. he made it public for every one to see. a novice would have learned something form that report. someone interested in owning horses would have learned alot. i have never seen the other 2 places do anything like that.

for the california horsemen not to give ian myers of PREMIER TURF CLUB is a slap in the face to not only people like me, but the whole horse industry itself. it is proof that they want to reward mediocracy and kick out someone trying hard for the game.

venues like keeneland, tampa bay downs, finger lakes, deleware park, see this the same way i do. they give mr. meyers the signal and refuse to give it to the above. even though it means less handle for them, they know that offshore does nothing in the long run for the racing industry

i know berube from tampa, there is no chance in life that he would give premier turf club the signal unless he was squeaky clean.

[Cangamble]

Maybe PTC should move their operations to Aruba. Then California might accept his application.

The California ruling is a slap in the face of all horse players not big enough to bet with Elite.

[ezrabrooks]

today i saw the start of the california fair season, so i went to my account and went looking for the pleasonton fair. it wasn't there, i called ian the manager at premier turf club and asked him why he didn't carry the venue.
he answered that the california horsemen denied his aplication, i asked did they give you a reason, he said no reason. later i found out that 2 offshore adw's were granted permission to carry the signal. the amount of money they pay is considerably less than what premier turf club offered for the same signal. i also found out that these 2 offshore entities pay no state taxes like premier turf club does. ian meyers devoloped a busienss plan to include smaller players to this game. he also introduces new players to the sport. i have been on this board for a year now and have not heard one bad word about premier turf club. a matter of fact they also sponser pace advantage board. a board that is read by lots of people in the racing industry.
i think it would be wise to write letters to the california horsemen telling them that they are wrong in denying premier turf the fair signals at this time, and grant them to other entities outside the contiguous 50 states in our country.

I really have a hard time with PTC being turned down, with no reason given. This just doesn't sound right.

[lamboguy]

almost every aspect of the horseracing business is wrong. the game needs to have a commisioner like the NFL. if i was the head of the deal i would make sure that average handles at belmont on the weekends would be $50 million within 2 years. i could do that like breaking sticks. car racing gets 100k plus in a non-fan participant sport. horse racing has betting windows. how can these idiots running the sport be so stupid.

the head deal of horseracing came up with 2 things, 5% discounts if you buy their friends crappy cars, and the saying "go baby go"

they got the last part right, its time for them to do their own go baby go, and take a hike, get someone that has a clue at the top of the deal.

[Kelso]

There just has to be an "equal protection" violation in here somewhere. Call in the legal whizzes and take TOC to the cleaners. Bankrupt the bastards, and the whole industry will be better off without 'em!

[trying2win]

Ian:

--Here's your chance!

--I was just watching an archived thoroughbred race on video at this website:

http://www.indiarace.com/main.htm

--Looks very similar to watching a race from Australia or Hong Kong. Seems they have about six different turf clubs operating thoroughbred races in India.

--And the much-maligned WEG hasn't got a North America deal for exclusive rights on betting the races in India. If I'm not mistaken, all bets on Australia and Hong Kong races go through HPI.

--Actually...to be honest, I didn't even know they had thoroughbed races in India.

--And I see they have live video of their races on this website as well.

--If you like the idea for PTC to carry India races, and make lots of profit on them, I'll negotiate a finders fee with you later :).

--Oh yeah, Ian...one other thing...I see they have banner ads on their website. Maybe you should inquire about rates for PTC advertising on their site, if India residents are allowed to bet American and Canadian races through PTC.

--I know many PA members will think I'm just joking around here on this post, but actually horse race betting has now become a global market place as far as I know. So, if that is so,...perhaps PTC should think outside-the-box in this case, and think of the possibilties here in India.


T2W