Obama: Hope & Doubt

[bigmack]

Giddy, they are, these "Barackarites" that show a want in the twinkle of their eye for the "change a comin". For their sake, it's a darn shame hope/change couldn't have fallen on shoulders with less doubt.

Sorry Dems - Hope will wear thin while doubts make advances.

Get to know Barack and work on that pronunciation as shown by his sis in this
Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3545343528928314588&q=barack+obama&ei=uSpOSJuZJpaYrAP9hPXADA&hl=en)

[dav4463]

Obama is a joke. Has anyone ever been less qualified to be the commander in chief?

[ddog]

hope is all you have in the last.

doubts are there no matter who.

none of the last several were qualified(whatever that means).

pappa bush was the last , where that argument woudn't be laughed off the floor.


many "movements" are not driven but followed by the one(s) at the top.

[Greyfox]

Let's see now. What are we hoping for and what are we doubting?

Obama's track record shows the following, he:

1. Threw former Senator Alice Palmer under a bus.

2. Threw his grand-mother under a bus.

3. Threw former friend Tony Rezko under a bus.

4. Threw spiritual advisor Jeremiah Wright under a bus.

5. Threw Trinity United Church Congregation under a bus.

I hope it's not getting too crowded under that bus.
I doubt that he will stop doing this. Or do we need more buses?

[ddog]

shrewd politcal moves.


shows a ruthlessness and hard-edged mind.
now that's good to see in a CINC.

[Greyfox]

shrewd politcal moves.


shows a ruthlessness and hard-edged mind.
now that's good to see in a CINC.

Yes. Either shrewd political moves or just as likely, narcissistic self-centeredness with little or no empathy towards others.

[ddog]

plenty of those kind have been great leaders.

or, i would say, ALL the great leaders are toward that end of the spectrum.


now to where, is another book.

empathy in political practice as in the economy can be bad for those on the receiving end of same.

[boxcar]

Let's see now. What are we hoping for and what are we doubting?

Obama's track record shows the following, he:

1. Threw former Senator Alice Palmer under a bus.

2. Threw his grand-mother under a bus.

3. Threw former friend Tony Rezko under a bus.

4. Threw spiritual advisor Jeremiah Wright under a bus.

5. Threw Trinity United Church Congregation under a bus.

I hope it's not getting too crowded under that bus.
I doubt that he will stop doing this. Or do we need more buses?

Don't be too surprised if his lovely wife is the next one to get tossed under the wheel.

Boxcar

[JustRalph]

shrewd politcal moves.


shows a ruthlessness and hard-edged mind.
now that's good to see in a CINC.

so I take it you voted for Dick Cheney?

[Tom]

Slightly OT.....gas hit $4.00 a gallon and Chenney asked Bush what he did with the "Mission Accomplished" banner! :lol:

[Indulto]

Don't be too surprised if his lovely wife is the next one to get tossed under the wheel.

BoxcarBoxie,
Would you care to provide some scenarios for that "vision?"

BgM,
Thanks for sharing. Who pays for these "biographies" anyway?

[46zilzal]

They read crap into everything, except the war that is.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/09/fox-news-anchor-calls-the-obamas-fist-pound-a-terrorist-fist-jab/

[bigmack]

They read crap into everything, except the war that is.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/09/fox-news-anchor-calls-the-obamas-fist-pound-a-terrorist-fist-jab/
Whoopsie - there he goes again; Digression Central with Zilly at the helm. Did you even watch that? It's called a tease. You & your cohorts fell for it. Silly you & ignorant them.

Indu - Don't know how full length documentaries end up on GVid but there's a pile of them. Hey, how bout this? Home Depot, August, day laborers, Del Mar, TOC, picket, PTC? 50 will run $2250 for 3 hrs @ $15/hr.
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Dick Morris on the subject of O & hope. This thread must have triggered his column today. :rolleyes:

Most aspiring presidents and prime ministers face a myriad of challenges as they embark on their journey. Issue controversies, questions about ethics or past conduct, wounds within the party all raise their heads and confront the candidate. But the doubts Barack Obama faces are far more existential than the more superficial questions raised about most candidates. They go to his very core as a person and call into question his values, his worldview, and even his patriotism.

Hard racial divisions have softened in America but fear of the “other” persists. Their possible next president has a strange name. He grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. He had a Muslim Kenyan father who left when he was a baby. He made his political career in the cesspool of American politics — the traditionally corrupt Chicago Democratic machine. His pastor of twenty years after whose sermons he entitled his book seems to hate white people in general and America in particular (despite getting $15 million in federal funding for his church). His wife says she is now proud of America for the first time in her adult life – and she’s in her mid forties. He is a bit of a reach for the average American voter.

If he were white, with similar associations, he would be suspect. But he comes from a world few white voters know or understand and the fear lingers that he is some kind of latter-day Manchurian candidate, a sleeper agent, poised to take control of the United States government.

What makes all this particularly difficult to fathom is that Barack Obama is a mild mannered intellectual, with a marvelous sense of poise and decorum, who handles himself eloquently and with dignity and comes to politics with a style and grace we have not seen since JFK. His pedigree includes Columbia University and Harvard Law where he was editor of the Law Review. He taught constitutional law. In his manner and his appearance he is as far from his controversial background and associates as one could possibly imagine.

But this disjuncture between who he appears to be and who his background and associations suggest he might be is so profound that it leads to the most basic of doubts and worries among American voters.

Hillary Clinton always has been the bête-noir to blue collar, downscale, American men. But they lined up at the polls to vote for her, so deep was their fear of who Obama might turn out to be. Their inveterate sexism was no match for their racial fears, ignited by the questions surrounding Obama.

But none of these questions is of Obama’s own making. In two years of campaigning, in an environment in which waking moment is filmed and recorded, he has never uttered a single word to lend credence to those who imagine him to be an alien figure. He has been consistently classy and almost boringly straight as he has campaigned. The worst one could say about him is that he is a Hamlet-like intellectual who is often subject to paralysis by analysis.

To win, Obama must reach down deep and dispel the doubts people hold about him. So far, he has avoided inflaming them and taken great care not to lend them any credibility from his own statements or positions. Now, he must go further and reassure voters who want to believe him, but are afraid.

Is America ready for a black president? Hell yes it is. Obama’s triumphs in states where there are virtually no blacks attests to it. Until Rev. Jeremiah Wright opened his mouth, the candidate was sweeping white voters. Even when the black community discovered Obama and abandoned their historical affection for the Clintons, the white electorate refused to polarize along racial lines and Obama consistently won about half of the white vote. But when Wright spoke, he send a shiver of fear down the nation’s collective spine and millions of voters who wanted to back Obama, needed to vote Democrat, and hated George Bush, abandoned the black candidate out of fear.

To blow away this miasma of doubt will not be easy. Obama, a private person who dislikes emotional displays in public, will have to speak from the heart about what America means to him. He will have to embrace our national sense of uniqueness and give voice to what Ronald Reagan said of us: “You can call it mysticism if you want to, but I have always believed that there was some divine plan that placed this great continent between two oceans to be sought out by those who were possessed of an abiding love of freedom and a special kind of courage.” American exceptionalism is deeply rooted in our national consciousness and it has been so offended by Rev. Wright’s characterization of the United States as a terrorist nation, a force of evil in the world, that Obama must assuage that hurt if he wishes to appease our fears.

While the United States has always worked to keep church separate from our government, there has always been a kind of civil religion in America which speaks to our values and mission in the world. The president of the United States is the high priest of that religion and it is up to him to give it voice and apply it to the challenges that pop up in our path. Obama must make it clear to his countrymen that he subscribes to that faith and can pick up his duties as high priest. He needs to articulate the national narrative

I doubt that this election will be close. Either Obama or McCain will probably win it in a landslide, depending on whether or not Obama can fulfill his existential mission of explaining to the American people who he really is.
Posted with permission

[Indulto]

... Indu - Don't know how full length documentaries end up on GVid but there's a pile of them. Hey, how bout this? Home Depot, August, day laborers, Del Mar, TOC, picket, PTC? 50 will run $2250 for 3 hrs @ $15/hr. ...Hell, I'll take $45 from PTC! What's that saying, "There's always fresh." :lol: ... Dick Morris on the subject of O & hope. This thread must have triggered his column today. :rolleyes: ...Ya never know who's reading this board

[Hank]

Obama is a joke. Has anyone ever been less qualified to be the commander in chief?

Yes! George W Bush:lol:

[alydar]

Obama is a joke. Has anyone ever been less qualified to be the commander in chief?

I can think of one obvious example. He is in the the White House now.

[ddog]

so I take it you voted for Dick Cheney?


Yes sir, Bush twice.

everyone has a bad day now and then.
Wish Cheney ,in looking back, had been on the top.

He would never have drug out this Iraq deal this long, imo.

[Greyfox]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/serr8d/photochops/throwgrammaunderthebus_1.jpg
.

[acorn54]

i was never concerned with the war in iraq
we have a volunteer army. people that want to fight in iraq volunteer
if we had a draft this war would have never happened, middle class folks wouldn't tolerate their children being forced to fight such a war
i don't really care who is in the white house it won't change my life unless the president calls up my boss and forces him to give me a raise

[Hank]

Yes sir, Bush twice.

everyone has a bad day now and then.
Wish Cheney ,in looking back, had been on the top.

He would never have drug out this Iraq deal this long, imo .

How pray tell, would Cheney have expedited matters? Rummy was his guy,he and Rummy were the ones calling the shots.

[Hank]

i was never concerned with the war in iraq
we have a volunteer army. people that want to fight in iraq volunteer
if we had a draft this war would have never happened, middle class folks wouldn't tolerate their children being forced to fight such a war
i don't really care who is in the white house it won't change my life unless the president calls up my boss and forces him to give me a raise

The quintessential Bush voter no doubt.:rolleyes:

[acorn54]

actually i am an independent and never voted for a republican for president
but i try to see things as they are and not through a democrat or republican point of view

[TrifectaMike]

Obama who are you?

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

[HUSKER55]

Thanks for that link !

Now to get the word out.

husker55

[Lefty]

Hank, guess you don't count being safe since 9-11 as something worthy of note. The economy went great guns too until energy costs got out of hand. But wait, It's GW that wanted to use our own resources. So guess you're reading and listening to our Pravda press.

[ddog]

the economy since during the later Bush the elder years had been living on borrowed time, not to mention......

[ddog]

interesting arcticle on the chances of hope and doubt......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/11/AR2008061103165.html

[Lose The Juice]

the economy since during the later Bush the elder years had been living on borrowed time, not to mention......
Problem have word with you do a order?