No 100+ Beyer here

[Bruddah]

As I predicted in another thread, none of the horses, including BB, would be capable of even a 100 Beyer in the Belmont. I said they all would puke the bit going 12f. With a time of 1:29.65 for that 12f, I don't think we will have a winning Beyer much above 88, if that.

BB didn't get his usual dose of Winstrol and showed he was just another race horse, not anything near GREAT!. Racing is better off not having another Triple Crown winner, if it was to be an imposter running against Allowance horses.

Go ahead and lambast me for my opinions, but unlike others, my opinions on this years crop of 3yo's have been posted well before they raced, in each leg of the TC.

[Tom]

Dutrow is eating Beyer Bagles for breakfast tomorrow.

I doubt anyone will dispute the fig I gave BB.........0 :bang:

[cj]

I'd love to see a TC winner, just not for those connections. Great job by Zito. This was truly the worst crop of 3 year olds imaginable.

[Tom]

I'm just chomping at the bit for the Travers! :lol:

[ddog]

As I predicted in another thread, none of the horses, including BB, would be capable of even a 100 Beyer in the Belmont. I said they all would puke the bit going 12f. With a time of 1:29.65 for that 12f, I don't think we will have a winning Beyer much above 88, if that.

BB didn't get his usual dose of Winstrol and showed he was just another race horse, not anything near GREAT!. Racing is better off not having another Triple Crown winner, if it was to be an imposter running against Allowance horses.

Go ahead and lambast me for my opinions, but unlike others, my opinions on this years crop of 3yo's have been posted well before they raced, in each leg of the TC.


You are looking solid so far.
I can't disagree.

[Living Flame]

Part of me really wanted Big Brown to win, if only for several sentimental reasons. Plus, he's a calm, good looking horse with a cool name and story behind him.

But the true racing fan in me wanted Big Brown to lose, and thought he just might not getit. It wasn't just his hoof and the distance that bothered me. The thing is, in order for there to be a Triple Crown winner, everything has to be right. You've gotta have a truly great horse, who is great with or without steroids. The horses connections do not have to be squeaky clean, but at least some of them have to have class. You just can't have all this negative energy around and expect something extraordinary like a Triple Crown to happen. Too much arrogance in the Big Brown camp and from others as well.

I can now safely rejoice in BB's defeat because he came back from the race sound. Did anyone notice that last shot of BB walking the shedrow? He was happy! He was sniffing the air, eyeballing all the people around, and basically acting like he thought he'd won. What a doll!

[JustRalph]

I'm just chomping at the bit for the Travers! :lol:

Ten minutes after the Belmont my father in law calls and says

Who do you like in the Travers? :lol: :lol:

[Murph]

Ten minutes after the Belmont my father in law calls and says

Who do you like in the Travers? :lol: :lol::lol: ;) That's the best one I've heard all day!

[MadMax]

Totally agreed. I've never seen a TC winner in my life...I was only 3 the last time it was done.


But I didn't want to see it done this way...with a field like this and no sense of a rival, at all.

And I didn't want to see it done with a trainer like this. So I found myself rooting for the field.

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

[QUOTE=Bruddah]As I predicted in another thread, none of the horses, including BB, would be capable of even a 100 Beyer in the Belmont.

Hey Bruddah,
Casino Drive turned a 102 speed figure at Belmont just a month earlier. Had it not been for a frekin rock in the trail bruising Casino's foot, there would have been a 100+. Casino already beat that 100 mark at Belmont in the Peter Pan, with a slow break at that.

Casino decimates that Belmont field just like his royal grand daddy, Secretariat. Healthy Big Brown or not. It wouldn't have mattered.

You're prediction would have flopped had Casino went to post. I know, I know, "Would'a should'a could'a".

If there was a question of who the top three year old in the country is this year, there is no longer. Casino's 102 speed figure at Belmont speaks for itself.

Casino Drive is King of Belmont this year without even racing in the Belmont Stakes.

Dr. SwineSmeller

[46zilzal]

[QUOTE=Bruddah]

Casino Drive is King of Belmont this year without even racing in the Belmont Stakes.



There are only about 10 better performances... and most of those in allowance company

[PaceAdvantage]

If there was a question of who the top three year old in the country is this year, there is no longer. Casino's 102 speed figure at Belmont speaks for itself.I'll see your Casino 102 and raise you a Big Brown 109 (Kentucky Derby). Maybe your DRF missing BB's PPs?

Dr. Swine, your material is starting to slip. Time to find new writers....

[Bruddah]

[QUOTE=Bruddah]As I predicted in another thread, none of the horses, including BB, would be capable of even a 100 Beyer in the Belmont.

Hey Bruddah,
Casino Drive turned a 102 speed figure at Belmont just a month earlier. Had it not been for a frekin rock in the trail bruising Casino's foot, there would have been a 100+. Casino already beat that 100 mark at Belmont in the Peter Pan, with a slow break at that.

Casino decimates that Belmont field just like his royal grand daddy, Secretariat. Healthy Big Brown or not. It wouldn't have mattered.

You're prediction would have flopped had Casino went to post. I know, I know, "Would'a should'a could'a".

If there was a question of who the top three year old in the country is this year, there is no longer. Casino's 102 speed figure at Belmont speaks for itself.

Casino Drive is King of Belmont this year without even racing in the Belmont Stakes.

Dr. SwineSmeller

Your speculating on numbers generated on a race much shorter than 1 1/2m and are pure personal bias. If you think Casino was going to run those extra furlongs and increase his Beyer number, you're my kinda handicapper. (if I were a bookie) My predictions were made before the race and now are now Fact. Facts trump biased specualtion. I didn't wait until the race was over to openly express my opinion. :D

[delayjf]

I'd love to see a TC winner, just not for those connections
I agree with regards to the Trainer, but I would have like to see KD win it. I found myself rooting for BB during the race, felt bad for the horse and Jockey after it was over.

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

[QUOTE=Dr.SwineSmeller]

There are only about 10 better performances... and most of those in allowance company

If there were any 3 year olds in that ten better, why were they not entered in the Belmont Stakes?

Casino trashes that field Zilzal. Anyone who can't see that needs to make an appointment with my brother the opthalmologist, Dr. SwineSmeller.
If he can't fix you, my other brother the brain surgeon, Dr. SwineSmeller, will be glad to give it a shot.

Dr. SwineSmeller

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

I'll see your Casino 102 and raise you a Big Brown 109 (Kentucky Derby). Maybe your DRF missing BB's PPs?

Dr. Swine, your material is starting to slip. Time to find new writers....

You can't compare Kentucky to New York. Kentucky will always fail to finish on that board.

The Kentucky Derby winner is merely a "I wish I could be a Belmont Stakes winner".

Dr. SwineSmeller

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

[QUOTE=Dr.SwineSmeller]

Your speculating on numbers generated on a race much shorter than 1 1/2m and are pure personal bias. If you think Casino was going to run those extra furlongs and increase his Beyer number, you're my kinda handicapper. (if I were a bookie) My predictions were made before the race and now are now Fact. Facts trump biased specualtion. I didn't wait until the race was over to openly express my opinion. :D

Neither did I wait. I said Casino would runaway from the Belmont field way, way before post time.

The only competition in the world for a healthy 4 y/o Casino is a healthy 5 y/o Curlin.

And the speculation part? Casino was conceived to run faster than his 102 mile at a mile and a half. He was barely warmed up in the Peter Pan. He frollicked back to the winners circle after a simple mile.

Dr. SwineSmeller

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

[QUOTE=Bruddah]

..... and increase his Beyer number, you're my kinda handicapper.

SS

[Quote Dr.SwineSmeller] Beyer number? No thanks. That'd be the Same Andrewfus Beyer who GUARANTEED a Big Brown 5 length win... LOL LOL LOL.

If your bets hinge on Beyer, I personally thank you for all of your simulcast donations to me through the years.

If that's all you got Bruddah, you need to sit in the back seat..in the middle. Or better yet, just ride in the trunk...

Dr. SwineSmeller

[Cratos]

You can't compare Kentucky to New York. Kentucky will always fail to finish on that board.

The Kentucky Derby winner is merely a "I wish I could be a Belmont Stakes winner".

Dr. SwineSmeller

“You can't compare Kentucky to New York. Kentucky” as you noted in your post, but you can compare a horse (Casino Drive) to doing something it has never done?

In all honesty your logic escapes me, but maybe you and me spell and define “compare” differently.

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

“You can't compare Kentucky to New York. Kentucky” as you noted in your post, but you can compare a horse (Casino Drive) to doing something it has never done?

In all honesty your logic escapes me, but maybe you and me spell and define “compare” differently.

Howdy there Cratos,
Here's the logic...Kentucky breeds them and sells the best ones to New York billionaires who then race them at Belmont and Aqueduct.

Where you been all these years? This is the way it's always been. The best horses race for the best purse money.

New York Racing = most purse value + national spotlight. Simple logic...The hard truth.

And I ain't ever even been to New York City..

Dr. SwineSmeller

[Bruddah]

[QUOTE=Bruddah]

..... and increase his Beyer number, you're my kinda handicapper.

SS

[Quote Dr.SwineSmeller] Beyer number? No thanks. That'd be the Same Andrewfus Beyer who GUARANTEED a Big Brown 5 length win... LOL LOL LOL.

If your bets hinge on Beyer, I personally thank you for all of your simulcast donations to me through the years.

If that's all you got Bruddah, you need to sit in the back seat..in the middle. Or better yet, just ride in the trunk...

Dr. SwineSmeller

I cut my teeth on Oaklawn and Hot Springs when you were no more than a gleam in your Daddy's eye. I have seen them all come and go from the Spa since 1965 and have met some very savy handicappers. Unfortunately, I can not count you among them, because you have offered nothing but your 0pinions, and they smell. I can tell your not originally from that area because most folks from there practice a little humility.

[wes]

Hang in there DR piggie poop! We smell you loud and clear.

wes

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

[QUOTE=Dr.SwineSmeller][QUOTE=Bruddah]

..... and increase his Beyer number, you're my kinda handicapper.

SS



I cut my teeth on Oaklawn and Hot Springs when you were no more than a gleam in your Daddy's eye. I have seen them all come and go from the Spa since 1965 and have met some very savy handicappers. Unfortunately, I can not count you among them, because you have offered nothing but your 0pinions, and they smell. I can tell your not originally from that area because most folks from there practice a little humility.

I'm a born and bred Arkansan Bruddah. Never lived anywhere else. And humility is for sissies. I was old enough to get in the gate at Oaklawn in 1977. There was a long stretch of time I went to every live race day in the season, mostly in the Pat Day / Larry Snyder era. As I got older, I began to pick and choose the races I would go to bet, as I now do. Instead of spreading the wagers out, I now get one and put it all on the line. I either win big or lose big.

We have no doubt been shoulder to shoulder Bruddah and never knew it.

Dr. SwineSmeller

[Dr.SwineSmeller]

Hang in there DR piggie poop! We smell you loud and clear.

wes

LOL. That's funny Wes. I'm hangin' as best I can, but these guys at PaceAdvantage are tough as rocks!

Dr. Piggie Poop