100,000 Dollar online handicapping contest

[Jrdhorse]

Just thought I'd let you guys know about this site they are offering an online handicapping contest up to 100,000 dollars in cash prizes 1st place 40,000. There is a 100 dollar entry fee and have to sign up to be a member to get in. Member cost isnt that much. The site is www.elhandicap.com check it out and good luck if you get in. I am already in.:)

[Suff]

It's $100 bucks to Just Join the site... and then another $100.00 to Join the Contest.. all the prize Money is Contingent on 1000 people signing up.... I got as far as entering in My Credit card... then I stopped.... I think I'll watch the First Contest and see if they are for real.... Not Fraudalent... Just... can they get 1000 people to pony up $200.00 between now and March 1st?

and they don't say what they do if More People sign up...Do they pay out ALL money?

I may be coerced into a splitting a Membership with someone if they want to,,, $100 Bucks a Piece.. Or I'll put up the $200. to get started and if three Guys want to Throw in $50.00 Bucks we can go four ways... First prize is $40 Grand

I'm going to watch the first won... rather than go $200.00 by myself....

[Jrdhorse]

I know what you mean Suff I dont know how credible these guys are at www.elhandicap.com

I clicked on the about us section and the guys they picture I have never heard of any of them. I recently sent an eamil to Mike Dempsey to see how credible these guys are since his site www.turfnsport.com is advertised there. Mike said he is going to call the guy and see whats up.
I also emailed the guys at elhandicap and ask them if after the contest entry deadline is met will all the contestants picks be available for viewing to everyone. As it would be awful easy if you own the site to put in an entry after the races are over and take down the top prize money. Hoping these dudes are credible. Never know in this world today!!!!!!!! One thing is elhandicap does advertise at DRF and thats not cheap but who knows...

[Suff]

they sent me this:

Hello Michael Dudley,

Thank you for your interest in el Handicap.com - The First And Official
Thoroughbred Handicapper's League (TNTHL).
The following information is in regards to our March 1st tournament.

Subscribe to el Handicap.com (membership rates are posted in our homepage)
Then you'll be able to login
Click Contest button.
Click entry fee contest and register for the contest.
All contest registrations must be completed before 12:00p.m. Eastern Time on
contest day.
After you have registered for contest, you'll have access to Make Your Picks
Page.
Where you'll be able to make your selections.
All selections (picks) need to be submitted before 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time on
contest day.
After that you could view Entrants & Results Page.
Where all players and their selections are posted.
In Entrants & Results you could also view the scoring live (points are
posted after each contest race).
After 1:00 p.m. eastern time on contest day, the contest will be closed. No
more players will be added to Entrants & Results.
You could easily view how many players are going to participate in the
contest and their selections.
All that before the contest begins (keeping it simple and fair to all).


CONTEST DATE SAT. MARCH 1, 2003

ENTRY FEE IS $100.00

PRIZE MONEY
1st Place - $40,000 (40%)
2nd Place - $20,000 (20%)
3rd Place - $12,000 (12%)
4th Place - $7,000 (7%)
5th Place - $4,000 (4%)
6th-10th Place - $1,800 (1.8%)
11th-20th Place - $500 (0.5%)
21st-30th Place - $300 (0.3%)

PRIZE MONEY IS BASED ON 1000 ENTRANTS. PRIZE MONEY WILL BE REDUCED OR
INCREASED PROPORTIONATELY FOR THE NUMBER OF ENTRANTS UNDER OR OVER 1000.

Capped at 1000 entrants.

HOW TO PLAY
In order to participate in our entry fee monthly contest you need to
subscribe to el Handicap.com gold or silver membership.
All contest registrations must be completed before 12:00p.m. Eastern Time on
contest day
Entries will be limited to 1 per member.

CONTEST RACE TRACKS
Santa Anita Park (last 5 races) Gulfstream Park (last 5 races)

THE CONTEST
Members will make 10 selections (picks) for WIN only.
1 selection per race will be permitted.
All selections (picks) need to be submitted before 1:00 p.m. eastern time on
contest day.
Contestants must be 18 years of age or older

SCRATCHES
In the event of a late scratch occurs in any race, the actual post time
favorite will be substituted for the scratched horse.

POINTS AND HOW TO WIN
Contest points are figured in the following order: Example if you picked a
winner and the payoff was $6.20 to win, you will have 6.20 points.
Any other winners you pick the points will be add for total points. The
member with the most total points will win the contest.

TIEBREAKERS
In the event of a tie, based on total points, tiebreaker will be implemented
in the following order:
Total of winners selected. In the event a tie continues, it will be consider
a dead heat (draw).
The tied members will share the winnings (prizes) equally.

PAYOUTS
All contestants will be notified by email and telephone if they qualify for
prizes.
All contest cash prizes will be paid in full in 5-7 business days from the
date of the contest.
Contestants must provide a copy of a valid form of identification
And their valid social security number to receive payment.
Payout options are available.

Thank you,

[Jrdhorse]

This is the email they sent me sounds credible. Makes me feel better since I already joined.

Dear John

el Handicap ensure that all the rules of fair play and honesty are upheld.
The entire contest is absolutely transparent - The following will
demonstrate.

We have spent over a year analyzing the online handicapping dynamic and have
come up membership interfaces that allow for customer security, reporting
accuracy and premium enjoyment.

When a contest entrant registers for the contest, they are immediately taken
to the entrants and results page - Where they can view all the members that
have entered the contest prior to their entry. This page also showcases the
picks of each individual contestant.

The contest is executed in real-time; therefore, information about each race
is automatically updated at the end of each race. This includes the winners
and the points for the race.

As each race is completed the ENTRANTS and RESULTS page is updated and the
currently leader is showcased at the top of the leaderboard. The
corresponding 2nd, 3rd..... are right below the winner in a points
chronological order.

We pride ourselves on organizing and executing an error-free and
corruption-free tournament.

The tournament is for the enjoyment of all - Please email us if your
questions have not been answered.


Don Foster
Contest Director
contests@elhandicap.com

[formula_2002]

oh yes, this looks very promising:rolleyes:

http://www.elhandicap.com/aboutus.php

Anyone these fellows?
Their bank references ?

[Jrdhorse]

Yes Formula they do look like a bunch of thugs but the contest will be ok since all entries can be seen before contest starts along with their picks. If you get lucky enough to win a share of the contest whether youll get paid or not may be a gamble. But thats a risk Ill take Ive lost more than 200 dollars before in one race more than once in my life so what the hell. If they dont payout they will be prosecuted and go to prison,and I dont think they are going to take that risk especially after posting their pictures on the internet. Suff may have the right idea sit this one out and see if its for real.

I dont know the rules and laws of holding a money contest but their must be some kind of laws because hell if there are no laws I would get an internet site and hold a contest every week and take a percentage of the pot for myself for doing the work of putting the contest on. Hmmmmmm sounds like a plan!!!!!!!!! What the hell life is a gamble.

[LurkingBettor]

They say, "Congratulations to Robert Bertolucci our Inaugural Handicapping Contest Winner. More info will be posted soon."

I asked (via email), "> Could you send me the results of your "Inaugural Handicapping Contest"?<

They respond (via email on 2/11),> "That information is currently posted in our Contest Page under Entry Fee
Contest Results for el Handicap members. We're waiting for pictures of our
top two finishers. Soon we'll post those results with pictures in our
homepage. Just keep checking our site for updates."<

I'll pass on paying $100 just to find out the winners and their respective prizes. That info should be readily available and freely distributed. Should take 10 minutes to upload to a website via FrontPage.

jrdhorse: If you want to go to the site and copy and post here it would be much appreciated.

Furthermore, what's up with this statement from the website:

"PRIZE MONEY IS BASED ON 1000 ENTRANTS. PRIZE MONEY WILL BE REDUCED OR INCREASED PROPORTIONATELY FOR THE NUMBER OF ENTRANTS UNDER OR OVER 1000.


Capped at 1000 entrants."

Seems contradictory on the upside.

[Suff]

I also Noticed that all the INFO with any meat to it... is only viewable after you pony up the Dough....

[formula_2002]

Jrdhorse.

The information on the "about us" page was sparse.

The pictures could be of anyone...

No references, affiliations, address...

These guys could be working out of a dorm!!!
(Possibly with those "college girls" that keep sending me
e-mails.)

[canuck]

I once had to spend the night in jail because of unpaid parking tickets--the guys on that website look like the guys I had breakfast with that morning!

Caveat Emptor

[formula_2002]

canuck

thats worth a "LOL"

[pic6vic]

Forget this contest

It can't be legitimate.

Don't forget if they 1000 suckers they make 100,000.00 from members. Lets start our own in that case.

[Suff]

Originally posted by canuck
I once had to spend the night in jail because of unpaid parking tickets

Caveat Emptor

Parking Tickets...?

Like Yogi berra said... " I totally Believe with half of what you said."

[Jrdhorse]

Thats a good idea I guess anyone from this forum could hold a handicapping contest and appoint someone to hold the money. Seems like a good plan!!!!!!!! Figuring out how to collect and send the money would not be that hard I guess.

[stuball]

You know I never thought that these guys could be dishonest..
Maybe they deserve $100,000.00 just for coming up with this idea..once you sign up they have the first $100 in their pocket...Hmmm Darn it !! It seems so easy..can it be...might be
If it walks like a duck,swims,and quacks could it be a lion..

Stuball

[canuck]

Suff--

Used to get one every morning for a year--owed about seven grand and one day they came to my house and said--"We need to talk!"

In those days they wiped em out after you spent 24 hours in jail and a very slight pecentage of the total....today they would throw away the key!!!!

[edsantos@elhandica]

Hello Guys,

My name is Ed Santos. I’m a race analyst for el Handicap.com. I was a finalist for the NTRA National Handicapping Championship for 2002 representing Foxwoods Casino. I had participated in the Suncoast and The Orleans Handicapping Tournaments. I have won local Tournaments.

Robert Bertolucci who’s a regular at the Las Vegas Tournaments won our last Contest.
Michael Labriola who came in third is a writer for Horseplayer Magazine.

They got paid, had fun and will be participating in our March 1st Tournament.

I understand your concerns because we’re new. Your feedback is welcome at info@elhandicap.com.


Sorry if I look like a thug……LOL…….

[Jrdhorse]

Well guys it looks like the last post is right from the horses mouth. His credentials seem pretty reputable. Has anyone changed their mind about this company. Its going to be interesting to see how many entries they actually get. It seems they are going to get all the professional horse contest players that play the circuit form the sound of that last post. Who knows!!!!!!!!!!!

[hurrikane]

it does sound like the cream of the crop. That is fine with me. The big problem I have is this.
You post all your horses before 1pm and if there is a scratch you get the post time fav.
If I wanted to bet chalk I would have done that in the first place!


I hate that. It sucks!
No thank you.

[cj]

The biggest question I have is if everyone's picks will be posted and known by the competitor's. If not, how do we know the scorekeeping is on the up and up, and that it is not prearranged for someone (a friend) to win?

CJ

[pic6vic]

ED

What are we getting for the $100.00 membership. That is the problem. The privledge to play in your tournaments. When you close your site do we get our membership fees back. This is a steep price to pay for the priveledge of playing tournaments on line.

Vic

[Jrdhorse]

CJMILKOWSKI if you check out the other posts you can find the format of the contest and it says all entries will be available to view as well as the entries selections after the entry deadline is met. Also states the contest has live scoring after the first race is run.

[cwelch]

100k is a lot of loot. How do you know that the winner will get paid ? It's just a website ! I dont think they have somebody holding the $ in escrow. They may even be off shore. I entered a contest a thoroughbredbets.com and won and I am still waiting for the $500 check !! Hoe long has this site been around ?

[LurkingBettor]

jrdhorse,

How about a report back on the March 1st contest by these guys?

Thanks for any input,

LB

[Jrdhorse]

Their were only 22 players who entered the contest last week. I think they need to lower the entry fee.

[hurrikane]

what they need is to lower the membership fee. I personally don't want to pay even $1 to have these mooks tell me what horses to bet.

[Jrdhorse]

Your right I would lower the membership and take a percentage of money from the contest for providing the service of putting the contest on. Take a look at the showdown contest that www.nyra.com puts on, cost only 10 dollars and they get thousands of entries.

[Suff]

Originally posted by Jrdhorse
. I think they need to lower the entry fee.

At least until they get a base of guys... that will be the foundation and "Town Criers" ,,,, as to its Legitimacy......... 200 magic beans just to get to the Batters Box is steep.

[stuball]

Hey Suff

Red Sox will do better when they face the Brewers...My local team....

Stuball

[Ed Santos]

Hello Guys,

Jrdhorse I would like to know how you did in Saturday’s Tournament.
Because I don’t know which member you are.

On MARCH 15, 2003 we’ll be having a FREE PICK 10 CHALLENGE.
No Membership Required & No Entry Fee.
There will be cash prizes.

On March 22, 2003 we’ll be having another Entry Fee Tournament.

We do not make moneys on any Handicapping Tournaments.
All moneys get paid out to winning members.

We do charge a membership fee, with that we could run a live on-line handicapping tournament, a live updated site, offer free tournaments, and prizes at the end of the year for our ranked gold members.

We are considering an inexpensive Bronze membership that will only allow you to participate in entry fee tournaments, good for a month.
Price range will be about $10-20.

Please your Feedback is welcome.

Good Luck at the Races.

Ed Santos
info@elhandicap.com